Totally agree, but realize that they’ll probably do it some day but make something about it not good. To make it so the Jupiter X is still a viable. I’m thinking you can have 3 of the 5 following things: UI Price Sound Build Visual appeal
@@MIDERA 16 voices is the bear minimum ! I would say 64 plus 4 parts per performance. Also, I need a filter and amp for both oscilators and better envelopes. Not just ADSL and also time-keyboardtracking. It is/was the flagship afterall
@@Howdy606 Thanks! Yeah... The Jupiter 6 has no real alternative (well, no plug out at least). There is the VST by Cherry Audio (I think?) and I tried it out and thought it was spot on, but there's something about being right in front of the actual controls and getting lost in it. I actually haven't connected the Jupiter 6 to my MD-500, which I think has a pretty good chorus on it!
Thanks. Very nice, although I have to admit that I have the feeling I miss out on the subtleties of the synths because of the amount of delay and reverb. I would personally add 30-50% less.
Yes - I think I had done something strange with the FX that I couldn’t figure out. Halfway through I was trying to do something about it but it wasn’t working. They were almost 100% wet, but I couldn’t figure out how to bring that down. Was strange.
@@MIDERA Maybe it's due to the BMC's being FPGA's, so for safety they only get reprogrammed on bootup. I am not sure if the synth restarts if you upload a plugout to it, but if so this might be the case.
@@fabimawn Yeah - maybe? Sounds like you know more than I do about it. You'd think that if they were to do that, most of us wouldn't mind it reloading to hit those second sets of plug outs. I'd gladly accept a hard reset to make that possible!
re: "can't adjust the volume of the different oscillators", what's the setup on the plug-out? The original Jupiter 4 has one VCO with switchable waveform, a sub-osc that's on or off, and noise that's on or off.
You have a single oscillator but you have access to like saw and PWM, so what I mean is you can’t adjust the individual levels of the saw compared to square wave, unlike on the Juno 60, if that makes sense. Not sure how meaningful that is. Sound wise on the System 8, they do sound incredibly similar. I’m kind of thinking I’d throw the J60 back on instead, I can’t really hear a huge difference. Probably the real instruments sound different, but I couldn’t tell on here.
@@MIDERA Oh interesting, so on the plugout you can set waveform levels on the 60 model? The original Juno doesn't allow that, again it's just a single oscillator with on/off for sawtooth and pulse - but you *can* adjust the level of the subosc and noise. I've been a Juno user for over 30 years and a Jupiter 4 owner for about 17 - the plugout demo here doesn't often sound much like my Jupiter, but it's still a nice sound. For real authenticity of course you'd want the System 8 to break every time you switch it on...
@@synthnerd4539 If you look at the Juno 60, you can see on the right side of the switch for PWM mode, there's a slider for sawtooth and square wave. That's their volumes. On the System 8 plug out, you use the mixer section to bring in the volumes of the individual oscillators. I would probably agree that this doesn't sound like the original, but someone else noted the FX volume and honestly, I think I had made a mistake somewhere in that the FX were 100% wet. I kept trying to fix it, but couldn't (in this video), not really sure what I did, but that could have affected its tone/sound. But again - from my listening, the Juno 60 and Jupiter 4 don't sound entirely different, so, I'll probably go back to using the Juno 60. The only thing I truly love over the Juno 60 on the JP4 plug out is the random arp. That's about it. Otherwise, I prefer the Juno 60! Again, if I had the real things in front of me, my opinion would probably be completely swayed! And I love that about the authenticity, breaking every time you switch it on. Sadly - true.
It sounds incredible, but I'm quite confused... is it only available withing the System-8 (as a plug-out) with a Roland Cloud subscription. Or is there a "I buy it and it's really mine" option?
Thanks - i think they have an option often to pay for a year subscription for $200 and you can keep two VSTs, so you could choose the Jp4 or some other options for it. Otherwise you’d pay monthly for them, at like $20/months.
The responsible adult in me tells me to buy a System 8 because Ive watched comparisons with the classics and the 8 sounds the best and most authentic hands down….. it’s just not as sexy as the Jupiter X….. however it does match my TR8…. Although I’d like to get the 8S or the Behringer 808 and 909 clones… lol
Do you already have the Jupiter X? It never really interested me because it just didn’t sound as good and the UI seemed kind of awkward. Hard to offer much advice if I don’t know what you have already. I can at least say that as I’ve gotten more gear, I’ve been less satisfied. I’d probably sell the S8 at some point, as cool as it is.
MIDERA Great sound! bad light, bad camera angle, blurry picture - no focus. You need to shoot video with a video camera, not a photo camera, and then there will always be a full-fledged video picture. If the point of this video is to show hands, then that's fine.😁😄😀
May I ask what you were expecting? I am imagining "blurry picture" is referring to bokeh or out-of-focus areas based on the aperture and the distance to subject, so it's not actually a 'blurry picture.' The center of the image is in focus, which was my intention. While the area of focus is small, it is there, and is typical of all of my videos. In what way is there 'bad lighting'? Is it mood lighting? Yes. Again, I don't know what your expectation is on this. "You need to shoot video with a video camera" - to understand what you are referring to, could you provide some examples of 'video cameras'? The advent of DSLRs allowed folks to use very nice lenses with large sensor formats to shoot excellent quality video. "Video cameras" typically do not have interchangeable lenses, and when they do, if we're referring to cine cameras, are extremely outside of my price-range as a hobbyist who makes these and does not monetize. While I must live with the shortcoming of my DSLR where video cuts out due to reaching the maximum limits of the SD cards or limitations of the device, it's not really a significant contributor to my videos. "If the point of this video is to show hands, then that's fine." - The point of this video is to make music/soundscapes/entertainment for people to listen to. What were you hoping to see?
@@MIDERA I'll start from the end: music videos are not made to listen to. And to WATCH and listen. Otherwise, why make a video? An audio track and a static picture on the background are enough to listen to. Or even without a picture at all. Next: if you are shooting a video clip (especially a musical one) using musical instruments, then in this case the point is to show the instruments and how to manipulate them. And for this you need good lighting and a clear, focused video picture. I hope you understood me correctly. I wish you success.
We need System-X: 16 voices, proper case and keyboard and at least 6 plugout slots! 😀
Jupiter 4 plugout sounds absolutely fantastic!
Totally agree, but realize that they’ll probably do it some day but make something about it not good. To make it so the Jupiter X is still a viable. I’m thinking you can have 3 of the 5 following things:
UI
Price
Sound
Build
Visual appeal
@@MIDERA 16 voices is the bear minimum ! I would say 64 plus 4 parts per performance. Also, I need a filter and amp for both oscilators and better envelopes. Not just ADSL and also time-keyboardtracking. It is/was the flagship afterall
Maravilloso !!!!
Thanks!
Very nice. Subbed. Was considering one of these, but a family friend had a nice Juno 60 so I went with that. Similar sounds with a Mercury 7 reverb.
Yeah, the Juno 60 is great. I had a Juno 6, but sold it to get the Jupiter 6. Not sure it was the right move, but it’s a cool synth. They all are!
@@MIDERA Deffo the right move. JP6 with a descent chorus sounds just as good. Juno is very over rated imo. Great demo btw,
@@Howdy606 Thanks! Yeah... The Jupiter 6 has no real alternative (well, no plug out at least). There is the VST by Cherry Audio (I think?) and I tried it out and thought it was spot on, but there's something about being right in front of the actual controls and getting lost in it. I actually haven't connected the Jupiter 6 to my MD-500, which I think has a pretty good chorus on it!
Thanks. Very nice, although I have to admit that I have the feeling I miss out on the subtleties of the synths because of the amount of delay and reverb. I would personally add 30-50% less.
Yes - I think I had done something strange with the FX that I couldn’t figure out. Halfway through I was trying to do something about it but it wasn’t working. They were almost 100% wet, but I couldn’t figure out how to bring that down. Was strange.
😅 I really like your channel and wasn’t trying to be pedantic. Only trying to help. Keep it up 💪
@daanbaas2962 thanks. I was agreeing with you! I just kept it as is because I put all that effort in and these days it’s the best I can do!
Played it. Liked it. Looked at your channel subscribed
Hey thanks!
The number of times I've tried to figure out the right combination of plugouts exceeds the number of combinations 😂 ...
FACTS! I really don’t understand why they couldn’t allow 8 plug outs. Hold shift and press a plug out. Done.
@@MIDERA that would bring so much value to the thing
Don’t understand why they can’t… but wow it would be great.
@@MIDERA Maybe it's due to the BMC's being FPGA's, so for safety they only get reprogrammed on bootup. I am not sure if the synth restarts if you upload a plugout to it, but if so this might be the case.
@@fabimawn Yeah - maybe? Sounds like you know more than I do about it. You'd think that if they were to do that, most of us wouldn't mind it reloading to hit those second sets of plug outs. I'd gladly accept a hard reset to make that possible!
re: "can't adjust the volume of the different oscillators", what's the setup on the plug-out? The original Jupiter 4 has one VCO with switchable waveform, a sub-osc that's on or off, and noise that's on or off.
You have a single oscillator but you have access to like saw and PWM, so what I mean is you can’t adjust the individual levels of the saw compared to square wave, unlike on the Juno 60, if that makes sense. Not sure how meaningful that is.
Sound wise on the System 8, they do sound incredibly similar. I’m kind of thinking I’d throw the J60 back on instead, I can’t really hear a huge difference. Probably the real instruments sound different, but I couldn’t tell on here.
@@MIDERA Oh interesting, so on the plugout you can set waveform levels on the 60 model? The original Juno doesn't allow that, again it's just a single oscillator with on/off for sawtooth and pulse - but you *can* adjust the level of the subosc and noise. I've been a Juno user for over 30 years and a Jupiter 4 owner for about 17 - the plugout demo here doesn't often sound much like my Jupiter, but it's still a nice sound. For real authenticity of course you'd want the System 8 to break every time you switch it on...
@@synthnerd4539 If you look at the Juno 60, you can see on the right side of the switch for PWM mode, there's a slider for sawtooth and square wave. That's their volumes. On the System 8 plug out, you use the mixer section to bring in the volumes of the individual oscillators. I would probably agree that this doesn't sound like the original, but someone else noted the FX volume and honestly, I think I had made a mistake somewhere in that the FX were 100% wet. I kept trying to fix it, but couldn't (in this video), not really sure what I did, but that could have affected its tone/sound. But again - from my listening, the Juno 60 and Jupiter 4 don't sound entirely different, so, I'll probably go back to using the Juno 60. The only thing I truly love over the Juno 60 on the JP4 plug out is the random arp. That's about it. Otherwise, I prefer the Juno 60!
Again, if I had the real things in front of me, my opinion would probably be completely swayed!
And I love that about the authenticity, breaking every time you switch it on. Sadly - true.
It sounds incredible, but I'm quite confused... is it only available withing the System-8 (as a plug-out) with a Roland Cloud subscription. Or is there a "I buy it and it's really mine" option?
Thanks - i think they have an option often to pay for a year subscription for $200 and you can keep two VSTs, so you could choose the Jp4 or some other options for it. Otherwise you’d pay monthly for them, at like $20/months.
@@MIDERA Thanks for the responce!
The correct answer is to have two System 8's
Aye. Indeed that is the current solution.
The responsible adult in me tells me to buy a System 8 because Ive watched comparisons with the classics and the 8 sounds the best and most authentic hands down….. it’s just not as sexy as the Jupiter X….. however it does match my TR8…. Although I’d like to get the 8S or the Behringer 808 and 909 clones… lol
Do you already have the Jupiter X? It never really interested me because it just didn’t sound as good and the UI seemed kind of awkward. Hard to offer much advice if I don’t know what you have already.
I can at least say that as I’ve gotten more gear, I’ve been less satisfied. I’d probably sell the S8 at some point, as cool as it is.
MIDERA
Great sound!
bad light, bad camera angle, blurry picture - no focus. You need to shoot video with a video camera, not a photo camera, and then there will always be a full-fledged video picture.
If the point of this video is to show hands, then that's fine.😁😄😀
May I ask what you were expecting?
I am imagining "blurry picture" is referring to bokeh or out-of-focus areas based on the aperture and the distance to subject, so it's not actually a 'blurry picture.' The center of the image is in focus, which was my intention. While the area of focus is small, it is there, and is typical of all of my videos.
In what way is there 'bad lighting'? Is it mood lighting? Yes. Again, I don't know what your expectation is on this.
"You need to shoot video with a video camera" - to understand what you are referring to, could you provide some examples of 'video cameras'? The advent of DSLRs allowed folks to use very nice lenses with large sensor formats to shoot excellent quality video. "Video cameras" typically do not have interchangeable lenses, and when they do, if we're referring to cine cameras, are extremely outside of my price-range as a hobbyist who makes these and does not monetize. While I must live with the shortcoming of my DSLR where video cuts out due to reaching the maximum limits of the SD cards or limitations of the device, it's not really a significant contributor to my videos.
"If the point of this video is to show hands, then that's fine." - The point of this video is to make music/soundscapes/entertainment for people to listen to. What were you hoping to see?
@@MIDERA
I'll start from the end: music videos are not made to listen to. And to WATCH and listen.
Otherwise, why make a video? An audio track and a static picture on the background are enough to listen to.
Or even without a picture at all.
Next: if you are shooting a video clip (especially a musical one) using musical instruments, then in this case the point is to show the instruments and how to manipulate them. And for this you need good lighting and a clear, focused video picture.
I hope you understood me correctly. I wish you success.
Boringuh!
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