After learning both for months each I've settled with Rhino. I prefer the workflow and the performance. Grasshopper is a great thing for patterns that requires Fusion to upgrade to a product design extension to get some sort of functionality based on grasshopper. I would definitely use Fusion 360 for assemblies but I love Rhino for surfacing and architecture. Also it's nice knowing I can pay once for Rhino and know it will keep working. I use the free version of Fusion because $60 a month would break me after a while just for one software which I don't make money off yet. So if Autodesk decide to limit F360 again for free users that would break me off the AD train lol. Nice having the software load up a lot faster, files not forced into the cloud.
I've used both Rhino and Fusion 360 for years, in my job and profession (Packaging Design/Thermoforming). I started using Rhino just after version 5 was released, so in late 2012 or early 2013. I started using Fusion 360 after it was released in 2013, although I didn't use it much until a couple of years later. I fully made the switch from Rhino to Fusion 360 in 2016 and I haven't looked back. Fusion 360, for me, is vastly superior. Parametric modeling is such a huge time saver, I can't imagine going back to the free-form method of Rhino. In Fusion, I can make a container and when changes are needed, no big deal. I can go back in the timeline, make adjustments and have everything update. HUGE! In Rhino, the same change could mean hours of work to go back and "re-make" that sort of change. I will NEVER go back to free-form modeling. The CAD kernel driving Fusion 360 is vastly superior to that of Rhino. Rhino is plagued with issues, fillets is a big one. They hardly ever work on complex geometry and you need to resort to a bunch of manual work with surfacing to get any complex fillets to work. Fusion 360 handles fillets like a dream. I'm not saying there isn't a place for Rhino, there clearly is. But for anyone who works in any sort of production, where changes are required and efficiency is needed, there is no contest. On the other hand, if what you really need is just a free-form surface modeling tool, certainly Rhino will be better at that then Fusion 360. Comparing Rhino Sub-D modeling to Fusion 360 T-Spline modeling, I think they are very similar and both function the same way, free-form only. I still prefer the sculpting environment (T-Splines) of Fusion 360, but then again, I used that in Rhino when it was a plug-in, years ago.
I have been working in Rhino 3D after I graduated as a Product Designer. Rhino 3d was my first 3D CAD software and I still use Rhino after my working hours. But I agree that every change take hours to complete and that is the reason why i'm going to start learning parametric software, where i can work much faster and efficient. Solid Works is perfect CAD software but for a lower budget - Fusion 360 is best solution.
@@ArtideaStudio The company I work for uses SolidWorks, in my position, I bounce back and forth between it and Fusion 360. SolidWorks is a much more mature CAD application and it certainly has some features that are lacking in Fusion 360. We have switched to using Fusion 360 to drive all of our CNC work, so the question came up about using Fusion for all of our CAD design, too. It was determined that Fusion 360 for manufacturing CAD design isn't ready to replace SolidWorks. With that being said, I find that I still enjoy working in Fusion 360 more than I do in SolidWorks. I find the streamlined GUI of Fusion is much more intuitive than the rather clunky and outdated interface of SolidWorks, but that just may be a personal preference. Fusion 360 is capable and is perfect for anyone on a lower budget and in my opinion is a lot easier to learn than other CAD applications.
do you maybe have an example on where fusion lacks the free form modeling capabilities rhino has (i'm speaking of nurbs, not t-splines/subd)? for all the reasons you mentioned i consider switching from rhino, too. but i don't want to lose surface modeling control. thanks
I’m a product designer and recently added fusion to my creation process along rhino, IMO rhino is easier for surface modeling of complexe shapes but for more technical part fusion is way better especially since it use flexible functions while rhino force you to back up a copy of you model at each steps.
Rhino has animations tools to move the objects in it's snapshots function. You should also mention that grasshopper is free and comes with the software.
I think it’s a very misleading trick that when introducing fusion you just post some fancy model , and putting some super basic example while introducing rhino…. Rhino can do so much more than that. Why don’t you put some works of Zaha Hadid, UN Studio or Aedas? They use Rhino as major tools!
fusion cant unfold shapes like a boat hull....to do that ive exported to blender...which can and then imported backto fusion as an SVG. Rhino can unfold a boat hull without all the extra work....im just cheap for now lol
Rhino can create complex algorithmic based as well as generative designs via the extremely powerful Grasshopper visual programing environment. Famous designers and architecture firms such as Zaha Hadid use it.
My interest is in designing scale model cars, as a hobby. Then I'd 3D print or make the parts on my lathe or manual milling machine, whichever more suitable. Normally, I'd start from a mesh model (from video games) and try to reverse engineer it to a NURBS or solid version. I am using Autodesk Inventor mostly for mechanical parts and it is great. But for car body surfacing is very poor. I tried Rhino, but I am struggling with designing the surfaces - it's hard for me to mentally visualize the surface patch layout. Given this context, should I try Fusion 360 or insist on learning Rhino? Ideally, I would like to import the body surface into Inventor and then create the solid out of it. Thanks.
You can fairly easily get a result in fusion. But without allot of experience its harder to get the exact shapes you want, so the design might end up being a compromise and a consequence of the softwares limitations(or/and your skills). In Rhino you are free to reach almost any shape, but unless you know the software very well you might end upp struggeling producing "watertight" meshes or solids for fore example prototyping.
I must say, commands enviroment is most beautiful thing could happen to computer software. And Rhino got it. Fusion, better CAM software with no doubt, but for modelling, rhino is my love.
for me RHINO hands down blows fusion out of the water,on design side, but fusion has cam , also one thing i hate about fusion is the cloud base too save files
i work in footwear industry and we use rhino for modeling. personally i dont like it. a lot of complex tools and if you are new to thee program it will be a headache. but these two programs are totally different. i like grasshoper tho!! anyway, im willing to learn other cad softwares like fusion or solidworks, not that it will be helpful at my current job, but im willing to go other places with more opportunities. rhino is small ranged.
Modelling shoes in rhino is a challenge but once you get the hang of it it's straight forward And you are right Rhino is very small ranged even after all these years this is why I use solidworks and rhinoceros they have their strengths respectively.
I think that if Rhino and Fusion get fusioned, then the ultimate modeling program was born. But I still preferring Rhino, I hate Fusion and his sketches.
@@msolano00 Fortunately, you showed up to nurture the thread with your supreme intelligence. Or applying the same logic you previously mentioned, the lack thereof.
@@msolano00sure, but the problem is that Fusion is a subscription based BS while Rhino is a perpetual license. A new version of Rhino comes out every 2-3 years. The price you pay for Fusion per year is much higher than the cost of a single Rhino license, especially if you are a student. The pitfalls of Rhino is lack of any CAD assembly tools. It’s good for modelling 3D objects but the moment you want to create assemblies, you can’t do anything. Maybe there are plugins that fix this, but they won’t be free for sure. Fusion on the other hand sucks for complex modelling but it’s nice for creating assemblies. But where Rhino truly shines is the sheer power it provides via Grasshopper and Rhinocommon (C# and Python). I’ve seen Rhino used in composites industry for tape placement, in aerospace engineering, marine engineering, architecture, etc. It is really a great toolbox. No one I know in the industry takes Fusion seriously.
This is a poor comparison because it implies the two are intended/marketed for the same purpose. They are not. Fusion is better compared to other polymetric modeling tools intended for Industrial Design, such as SolidWorks, Catia, SolidEdge, and NX. Rhino is great in architecture and with Grasshopper features, separate from the intended purpose of the parametric tools.
Experience. Use both of the tools "passionately" and you will understand what Rhino3D offers. I have pushed solidworks for long years like an addict, once i found out about Rhino3D and checked it out, I't just clicked with me and with my expectations. It may not be the thing for you, but it is for many people.
I've been using rhino since 2008 and I don't know what these people are on about there seems to be alot of justification fan service going on about Rhino these days I use both solidworks and Rhino now and the difference between them is so obvious they have their strengths and weaknesses but for totally different purposes..... I just don't want to get into this lunacy so I'll leave it at that 😂
lol dude you can’t be serious. By your logic the Internet is garbage as well because 25 years ago the speeds sucked and websites looked buggy and dogshit but the browsers still have the same button layout so it must still be the same right?
After learning both for months each I've settled with Rhino. I prefer the workflow and the performance. Grasshopper is a great thing for patterns that requires Fusion to upgrade to a product design extension to get some sort of functionality based on grasshopper. I would definitely use Fusion 360 for assemblies but I love Rhino for surfacing and architecture. Also it's nice knowing I can pay once for Rhino and know it will keep working. I use the free version of Fusion because $60 a month would break me after a while just for one software which I don't make money off yet. So if Autodesk decide to limit F360 again for free users that would break me off the AD train lol. Nice having the software load up a lot faster, files not forced into the cloud.
Rhino 7 with new Sud-D + grasshopper is a monster.
Thanks for the feedback.
@Darren Munsell Brush tools? What is that?
@@ElvinDude sculpting
@@ElvinDude Search Rhino 8
*Sub-D
I've used both Rhino and Fusion 360 for years, in my job and profession (Packaging Design/Thermoforming). I started using Rhino just after version 5 was released, so in late 2012 or early 2013. I started using Fusion 360 after it was released in 2013, although I didn't use it much until a couple of years later. I fully made the switch from Rhino to Fusion 360 in 2016 and I haven't looked back. Fusion 360, for me, is vastly superior. Parametric modeling is such a huge time saver, I can't imagine going back to the free-form method of Rhino. In Fusion, I can make a container and when changes are needed, no big deal. I can go back in the timeline, make adjustments and have everything update. HUGE! In Rhino, the same change could mean hours of work to go back and "re-make" that sort of change. I will NEVER go back to free-form modeling. The CAD kernel driving Fusion 360 is vastly superior to that of Rhino. Rhino is plagued with issues, fillets is a big one. They hardly ever work on complex geometry and you need to resort to a bunch of manual work with surfacing to get any complex fillets to work. Fusion 360 handles fillets like a dream. I'm not saying there isn't a place for Rhino, there clearly is. But for anyone who works in any sort of production, where changes are required and efficiency is needed, there is no contest. On the other hand, if what you really need is just a free-form surface modeling tool, certainly Rhino will be better at that then Fusion 360. Comparing Rhino Sub-D modeling to Fusion 360 T-Spline modeling, I think they are very similar and both function the same way, free-form only. I still prefer the sculpting environment (T-Splines) of Fusion 360, but then again, I used that in Rhino when it was a plug-in, years ago.
And your Fusion 360 files are somewhere in the cloud. Good luck.
@@xxxxxx-pq5el They are in the cloud, that I use as a backup, and in my system. The best of both worlds.
I have been working in Rhino 3D after I graduated as a Product Designer. Rhino 3d was my first 3D CAD software and I still use Rhino after my working hours. But I agree that every change take hours to complete and that is the reason why i'm going to start learning parametric software, where i can work much faster and efficient. Solid Works is perfect CAD software but for a lower budget - Fusion 360 is best solution.
@@ArtideaStudio The company I work for uses SolidWorks, in my position, I bounce back and forth between it and Fusion 360. SolidWorks is a much more mature CAD application and it certainly has some features that are lacking in Fusion 360. We have switched to using Fusion 360 to drive all of our CNC work, so the question came up about using Fusion for all of our CAD design, too. It was determined that Fusion 360 for manufacturing CAD design isn't ready to replace SolidWorks. With that being said, I find that I still enjoy working in Fusion 360 more than I do in SolidWorks. I find the streamlined GUI of Fusion is much more intuitive than the rather clunky and outdated interface of SolidWorks, but that just may be a personal preference. Fusion 360 is capable and is perfect for anyone on a lower budget and in my opinion is a lot easier to learn than other CAD applications.
do you maybe have an example on where fusion lacks the free form modeling capabilities rhino has (i'm speaking of nurbs, not t-splines/subd)? for all the reasons you mentioned i consider switching from rhino, too. but i don't want to lose surface modeling control. thanks
I’m a product designer and recently added fusion to my creation process along rhino, IMO rhino is easier for surface modeling of complexe shapes but for more technical part fusion is way better especially since it use flexible functions while rhino force you to back up a copy of you model at each steps.
Rhino is a perpetual license. You pay and is yours.
Rhino has animations tools to move the objects in it's snapshots function. You should also mention that grasshopper is free and comes with the software.
The best is to know and use them both. I do it and enjoy the process.
I think it’s a very misleading trick that when introducing fusion you just post some fancy model , and putting some super basic example while introducing rhino….
Rhino can do so much more than that. Why don’t you put some works of Zaha Hadid, UN Studio or Aedas? They use Rhino as major tools!
fusion cant unfold shapes like a boat hull....to do that ive exported to blender...which can and then imported backto fusion as an SVG. Rhino can unfold a boat hull without all the extra work....im just cheap for now lol
Эти ребята тоже работают в Rhino www.youtube.com/@MANSORY/featured
Thank you man! You actually demonstrated the functions between the 2 softwares, thanks 🙏🙏👍
Rhino & Grasshopper FTW
3 years later, fusion 360 is now $685/year or $85/month and there are now more limited feature available in the free version.
Rhino can create complex algorithmic based as well as generative designs via the extremely powerful Grasshopper visual programing environment. Famous designers and architecture firms such as Zaha Hadid use it.
Too bad this is a bit out of date. Rhino DOES have a free trial version now. They also have a student version for $195.
Is rhino an easier software than fusion? Currently use fusion through my student account.
My interest is in designing scale model cars, as a hobby. Then I'd 3D print or make the parts on my lathe or manual milling machine, whichever more suitable. Normally, I'd start from a mesh model (from video games) and try to reverse engineer it to a NURBS or solid version. I am using Autodesk Inventor mostly for mechanical parts and it is great. But for car body surfacing is very poor. I tried Rhino, but I am struggling with designing the surfaces - it's hard for me to mentally visualize the surface patch layout. Given this context, should I try Fusion 360 or insist on learning Rhino? Ideally, I would like to import the body surface into Inventor and then create the solid out of it. Thanks.
You can fairly easily get a result in fusion. But without allot of experience its harder to get the exact shapes you want, so the design might end up being a compromise and a consequence of the softwares limitations(or/and your skills). In Rhino you are free to reach almost any shape, but unless you know the software very well you might end upp struggeling producing "watertight" meshes or solids for fore example prototyping.
Can u make a video about autodesk alias????
I must say, commands enviroment is most beautiful thing could happen to computer software. And Rhino got it.
Fusion, better CAM software with no doubt, but for modelling, rhino is my love.
Anyone with experience.. which is better filled eyewear design
Is Blender fine for designing products (as a hobby and only design, not produce).
Or game developement.
Visualisation yes. Modelling no.
The lack of proper NURBS support in Blender is IMO an instant deal-breaker for design.
@@jaromor8808 and hard surface game objects as well.
Подскажите плиз: CIMCO..., Fusion360 или Rhino удобней, отличия?
for 3d printing of functionalparts don't even think twice Rhino all the way, not only chepaer but also better
rhino 7 monster
0:30 Saying that Fusion is user friendly, heh
Because it is? Its interface is like MS Paint but with 3D stuff xD Using Rhino feels like entering a Boeing airplane
@@kuba2x dude, i am a retard and even i handled rhino
Helpful, thanks.
Rhino, in my humble opinion, is superior to Fusion360
Rhino is extensively used in aircraft engineering and design also.
for me RHINO hands down blows fusion out of the water,on design side, but fusion has cam , also one thing i hate about fusion is the cloud base too save files
i work in footwear industry and we use rhino for modeling. personally i dont like it. a lot of complex tools and if you are new to thee program it will be a headache. but these two programs are totally different. i like grasshoper tho!! anyway, im willing to learn other cad softwares like fusion or solidworks, not that it will be helpful at my current job, but im willing to go other places with more opportunities. rhino is small ranged.
have you tried Altair Inspire? or inspire studio
@@kawanua001 nop
i thought everyone is using modo in the footwear industry :D
@@ruffryder1337 well i used.to work in orthopedic footwear manufacturing
Modelling shoes in rhino is a challenge but once you get the hang of it it's straight forward
And you are right Rhino is very small ranged even after all these years this is why I use solidworks and rhinoceros they have their strengths respectively.
This is awesome!
Rhino vs Autodesk Alias. NURBS VS NURBS software
Which one is better to use?
@@paramic8821 try Altair inspire (solid thinking) or inspire studio
Alias is more powerful
@@alancooke9357 those prices are insane tho
360>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can not even compare
an inappropriate comparison. If we compare Fusion with Rhino, it means that Solidwork is made by God:)
I think that if Rhino and Fusion get fusioned, then the ultimate modeling program was born. But I still preferring Rhino, I hate Fusion and his sketches.
if you're used to rhino, fusion is junk, makes no sense.
You could say the same the other way around. What a smart comment.
@@msolano00 Fortunately, you showed up to nurture the thread with your supreme intelligence. Or applying the same logic you previously mentioned, the lack thereof.
@@msolano00sure, but the problem is that Fusion is a subscription based BS while Rhino is a perpetual license. A new version of Rhino comes out every 2-3 years. The price you pay for Fusion per year is much higher than the cost of a single Rhino license, especially if you are a student. The pitfalls of Rhino is lack of any CAD assembly tools. It’s good for modelling 3D objects but the moment you want to create assemblies, you can’t do anything. Maybe there are plugins that fix this, but they won’t be free for sure.
Fusion on the other hand sucks for complex modelling but it’s nice for creating assemblies.
But where Rhino truly shines is the sheer power it provides via Grasshopper and Rhinocommon (C# and Python). I’ve seen Rhino used in composites industry for tape placement, in aerospace engineering, marine engineering, architecture, etc. It is really a great toolbox. No one I know in the industry takes Fusion seriously.
Rhino is easier.
nah fam xD
f360 subscription approach SUCKS!!!!!!!
This is a poor comparison because it implies the two are intended/marketed for the same purpose. They are not.
Fusion is better compared to other polymetric modeling tools intended for Industrial Design, such as SolidWorks, Catia, SolidEdge, and NX.
Rhino is great in architecture and with Grasshopper features, separate from the intended purpose of the parametric tools.
definetly fusion is better
Rhino3D was just a basic modelling and animation and simple rendering not long ago.
Since when did Rhino3D learn to bark at Autodesk ?
never
Experience. Use both of the tools "passionately" and you will understand what Rhino3D offers.
I have pushed solidworks for long years like an addict, once i found out about Rhino3D and checked it out, I't just clicked with me and with my expectations. It may not be the thing for you, but it is for many people.
I've been using rhino since 2008 and I don't know what these people are on about there seems to be alot of justification fan service going on about Rhino these days
I use both solidworks and Rhino now and the difference between them is so obvious they have their strengths and weaknesses but for totally different purposes..... I just don't want to get into this lunacy so I'll leave it at that 😂
rhino is garbage .. I used it once in 1997 or so ... Fillets was bugged and broken so i uninstalled it after making that tutorial hammer
25 years ago.
Thanks for the input.
@@jaromor8808 maybe it improved .. i think the interface look similar ;)
lol dude you can’t be serious. By your logic the Internet is garbage as well because 25 years ago the speeds sucked and websites looked buggy and dogshit but the browsers still have the same button layout so it must still be the same right?
It's 2024 and it has come a long way. Why do you expect that a software should be in the same state after 28 years?
And I started in 2008 and the fkn fillets are still garbage with minor improvements 😂
Saved you from trying it if you ever got curious again.