Owner of Hyundai plug-in hybrid shocked by $15,000 cost to replace battery
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
- Peter Birovchak says when he purchased his plug-in hybrid electric vehicle he thought he was being a good steward of the environment.
“I liked the idea of going to a gas station once every three weeks instead of once every week,” Birovchak said.
In November 2017, the Kelowna, B.C., resident purchased a brand new 2018 Hyundai Ioniq Plug-In Hybrid for around $30,000. Birovchak says he saved about $300 a month on his gas bill.
However, this past September, the engine light came on while driving. After taking the vehicle to a Hyundai dealership, Birovchak was told the electric battery would need to be replaced.
“I got a quote the next day for $15, 272 not including labour,” said Birovchak.
What’s worse, Birovchak’s vehicle had 190,000 kilometres, which meant it was past the warranty of 160,000 kilometres.
Consumer Matter's reporter Anne Drewa explains what happened next.
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I really hate when these car companies ONLY treat people fairly when a news organization gets involved. It's simply a PR move and anyone else is totally screwed.
Their warranty is clear. The buyer was stupid to buy a Hyundai and anything with unproven technology. The guy is asjw. He has to pay the stupid tax now
Fairly? He is way outside his warranty. Things happen. What is fair is that this guy pay for a new battery. I don’t expect Apple to pay for a new battery on my five year old iPad.
It passed warranty. Can’t blame the manufacturer.
The Prius battery replacement cost ranges from $2,000 to $4,500. not 15,000.
He was being treated fairly. The vehicle was out of warranty. He just wanted special treatment.
He can save the environment TWICE!
Gold 😂
Lmfao!
@alexcovid1912 👈 bird brain 😂
Twice the trees saved---oh yeah.
Good for Peter!
I have a 1998 Toyota corolla running like a champ
Impressive! How many miles does it have?
Oh, what a feeling!
@@JohnnyFontane528 I love what you do for me!
Yep and it's probably put less than half of the CO2 in the air then the manufacture of those two car batteries. I swear electric car buyers must be illiterate!
My 96 4runner has 368,000 miles
No one can be shocked by this anymore
its also too late to do anything about it.. we can speak with our wallets but the public is to dumbed down now to care most go mehh and move on most go crap and cave it in the industry its called slippage only a few sue and the companies budget for this in their figures before they make a car they go into a team meating do cost analasis class action lawsuits only benifit lawyers youll get hardly anything recalls only protect the company do you get compnisated no a newer car no a equal car if they have to keep ttheirs no youll ahve to sue they hope you dont this is how the world works now.. and it needs to change if enough stop buying they will blame the economy not the real reason if they fail they will blame the econom and we wont have cars if they fail scammers will sell used rfepaird cars as new prices even with 1 million miles on them then disapear folks not going to change till someone steps up these car manfactures and says enough is enough elon was suppose to be that guy notice how oh free super charging forever oh free plans to anyone that wants them etc nope he yannked it all not one person since the dawn of time has been truly honest and done for the people and provided a good service etc not that i can recall not one president etc this world is the concrete jungle and no one cares
Pun intended?
More than a decade ago I looked at a Honda hybrid at a used car lot. I asked the salesman what's the cost of replacing the battery, he never answered my question. That's when I knew why the previous owners got rid of it.
They can run with the battery, this one can't because it's a plug in hybrid. Plus the Honda hybrid the battery pack is only $1200-$2500
That's not bad at all if it lasts around 5-7 years @@bubbafrie9001
As soon as that battery goes you lose all that savings you thought you were getting. Had a Lexus hybrid the battery went and was quoted from 7k to 9k I saved nothing. Would have been cheaper to drive a v8!
@@AmericanWears my Chevy volt has 180k miles and it's still going strong. Paid 20k for it so I think I got my money worth
@@AmericanWearswell lucky Toyota and Lexus hybrid batteries can be rebuilt for much cheaper. Don't have to replace it.
Now is definitely NOT the time to be buying a car. Average car cost $47K?! That's insane!
Check your ego at the door - you need a vehicle to get back and forth to work, not to impress anyone. An auto finance rate of 7%+ is an insult to anyone with excellent credit. No thanks. Those new cars can sit on the lot and rot away for all I care.
I'm with you. I don't care how much it costs to keep my current cars running.
I'll drop new engines and trans if necessary I refuse to buy a new car.
Yeah, Im glad I keep seeing this message because I want a new car, but man these prices are crazy
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Auto rate of 7% should be normal, because if the FED didn't keep rates artificially low.
However, PRICES should insult you, these dealers are screwing their future for a gain in the short term.
Auto rate of 7% should be normal, because if the FED didn't keep rates artificially low.
However, PRICES should insult you, these dealers are screwing their future for a gain in the short term.
I have a 2008 Tacoma Toyota 4 cilinder with 300 thousand miles that’s runs like a champ ..
Congrats
Now throw that old battery in the landfill.
Your an environmental hero
Nope, they've gotten battery recycling up and running now.
And they've also figured out a way to make wind turbine blades easily recyclable, and how to recycle the ones already thrown away.
Try to keep up.
Oh, and forget the environment, fossil fuels kill 8 million people a year, and help kill literally tens of millions more earlier by making their condition worse.
The world is spending almost a trillion dollars a year on fossil fuel related healthcare costs.
And fossil fuels ALSO get a LOT more subsidies than renewables...... And renewables are still cheaper....
Still pollutes less than sticking with gas. Now that you know that, you can stop making idiotic comments.
@@thomaspetersen3220 how much coal is burned to charge your battery for 6 hours?
Replacement batteries are over $5,000 each. These cars will be in a landfill sooner because of this cost.
To manufacture each EV battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, 25,000 pounds of ore for copper Diging up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust For just - one - battery.
Think about that before you make another idiotic comment.
@@connorcincinnati Stop replying with idiotic comments. You can mine the lithium, drive the EV for 300000 miles, dump the battery in a landfill and only ever charge it with electricity from a coal plant and it STILL pollutes less than an ICE vehicle.
I know it’s so hard for you to understand facts when it’s easier to just believe stuff you read on an anti ev blog somewhere.
Facts. They hate facts.
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I wish I could find it, but I remember reading a study once that claimed financially insolvent men had 1.5-2x more sexual partners than their financially solvent counterparts.
I think people should also seriously look into investing of some kind. Something that brings money back to your pocket, real estate, stocks, whatever can bring back value to their bank account rather than draining it. Obviously investing has its risks but so does just having money in depreciating assets or straight up liabilities.
Big house suv. Bruh you got people driving Honda civics, living in a 1 bedroom apartment and not a luxury one at that living paycheck to paycheck.
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A ten-year-old Mercury Grand Marquis suddenly sounds really good.
WITH THE POLICE INTERCEPTER UPGRADES
This guy who says he saves $300/month on gas will likely save enough money to pay for the entire $30k car in another 5 years given that he'll now be getting a brand new battery at nowhere near $15k. That suddenly sounds really good.
My 23 year old c240 is even better 😂
Indeed, I’ve had four (still have 2) and don’t plan to retire them anytime soon.
@@marvinhaagsma9177 Lucky guy. My uber driver had a clean white one. So comfortable.
This is exactly why I’m sticking to my gas cars
Also what happens to the old battery? Are they recyclable? Or will that giant battery sit in a landfill somewhere, nullifying the environmental benefits. If anything i’d go with a hybrid.
Same here, bought my last 2 gas vehicles I will ever need. FJB
Yep. Same thing happened to a coworker. Drove a Tesla, $17k for a new battery
People don't have the IQ to take into account the probability of this happening smh. On average hybrids would still save people a lot of money and also be much better for the environment and society. Not every car will break down like this. They need a better warranty scheme that's all. Hyundai isn't great when it comes to long term support
Bet if the Media did a story on a meteorite hitting a house and destroying it, you'd say you'll say this is why I'm sticking to my cardboard box.
Remember when people said that once those types of vehicles become mainstream the batteries will be super cheap on the used market?
The problem is used batteries are a highly risky thing. Any slight amount of damage could cause problems, poor charge history might diminish it's capacity etc. It's like buying a used engine online, sight unseen and just hoping it will work. Used batteries will never be a good choice.
Used batteries are (more) affordable on the used market. Especially if you only need to buy a module or cell for a repair. But the average dealer will never be affordable. There are a few out there.
@@joeaverage2269 The problem isn't that used batteries don't exist, though how long most companies will continue to support said cars is another question. But the real problem is it's a high risk purchase.
Not even the company selling the battery can be 100% certain how long it will last or what it's charge state is. If anything most "cheap" used battery sellers won't even really check beyond does it turn on. It's like buying car parts at a junkyard with the "as is" clause, except there are million things that could go wrong with a battery.
People buying EVs and especially Teslas are riding around on a financial time bomb.
Reflected in their residual values. Which are plummeting..
No, because this video is about Hybrid from the old moronic car companies that can't build good EVs and neither can they build good hybrids, because they don't get the new technology. Tesla batteries last a LOOOOOONG TIME LONGER than this. Want to guess why Tesla sold globally 1.8 million BEVS (not hybrids, these are fully electric) last year? And why the Model Y has become the most sold car IN THE WORLD? Because they are the best in the BEV market. Hybrids are basically a admission of incompetence by the car companies that build them: If they knew worth a dam* about building full BEVs, they would, the best parts on a hybrid are the electric parts, BUT they can't build these in acceptable quality so they have to use the ICE engine as a crutch.
@@nigratruo My 14 year old Prius would disagree with you. It's had brake pads once, and a couple of starter batteries in all those years. Battery replacement, when that comes, will be less than $2,000. It's going to be quite a few more years till we know the actual cost of owning and maintaining these all-electric's. Stories like this should be a warning.
@@specex no, it won't, BEVs don't even have these parts that you have to maintain: A BEV has a Battery (no maintenance), an electric motor (no maintenance) and an inverter (no maintenance), everything else is software that has no moving parts, so no maintenance to prevent breakage. The car is way more efficient and that also because it has so many fewer parts. Your hybrid has most then 10 times the amount of parts that a BEV has. Just the emmissions control is a royal PitA in a Hybrid and ICE. Just wait for the Cat breaking and then your eyes will pop at the cost. The battery by the way can easily be checked for condition PLUS we know from Teslas that they last a loooooooooooooooong time. Remember the million mile guarantee that Tesla wanted to give to the trucks? That's how good they are. But you might not be a mechanical / IT engineer and not know the difference. I do understand them. There is a very good reason we don't use horses anymore and neither did we ever switch back to steam engines. The old is obsolete, it is much worse than the better technology. BUT, make sure you know that Tesla beats all other BEVs and you can buy a really crappy one if you don't buy Tesla (Tesla by the way sells more than any other company, by a huge margin, Tesla sold 1.8 Million last year, BYD 1.5 million, but Toyota? Toyota is working on their own Kodak moment of bankruptcy: they only sold 100,000 BEVs, intentionally. Well, Kodak also stuck with the old chemical film, intentionally.
Have you seen how badly made is the Tesla Truck?
I inherited my Granddaddy's 2002 Buick Regal the he bought brand new back in late 2001. Car came equipped with the 3800 v6 with the supercharger. We've had the car in our family for 21 years and it's still running like brand new. Back in early 2021 I was hit by a Mustang. My car survived with minor cosmetic damage but the mustang was completely totaled. I guess my granddaddy was right they don't make them like they used to.
The 3800 Engine in the Buick built at that time along with the Buick Lesabre was bullet proof. Don't ever
Sell or trade that car away to purchase a newer model.
And your range per tank of fuel has not decreased much in that time eirher.
If your car was an EV, you would be on your 3rd $20k battery. The EV batteries last around 10 years.
Imagine if it was a 1970 Buick Skylark you would have ran over the mustang and a few deer and still be able to get it home 😂
@@JetFire9
There are Teslas still running strong after more than half a million miles on the road. But you seem to want to hate on EVs, so nothing I say will change that fact.
In 2015 I bought a 2008 Corolla with 60,000 kms on it, for only $9,000. I'm still driving that car, with $240,000 kms on it. Only large maintenance items = replaced the battery twice ($130 each time). (as well as new tires and new brakes).
Robust car, Corolla. 2000's toyotas were the peak of reliability with less reliance on a computer system to run everything. Now even a damaged side mirror is enough to write off a whole vehicle. 👍
No oil changes and gas cost
@menguardingtheirownwallets6791 It would be interesting to know how much your fuel cost for the 240,000 Kms you put on it including all maintenance cost.
@@elvertestaguzza9753He didn’t have to pay for 3 HV battery replacements at $20k a pop either😂😂😂😂 🤡
In 2000 I bought a 1997 Toyota Corolla with just 10,000 miles on it for $10,000.
I drove it for 16 years and put 145,000 miles on it.
Best car I ever had.
In 16 years all it needed was oil changes, tires, brakes, 3 or 4 batteries, air filters, a throttle position sensor, and at 100,000 miles I replaced the spark plugs, wires, and coils.
It never let me down. PERIOD.
I replaced it with a new 2016 Toyota Camry which has been flawless during the 7 years that I’ve had it thus far.
"I bought this car based entirely on emotions and delusions, with zero research and education of the reality of EV's... but I thought I was virtuous."
Probably just sell the car and buy a new one. Bad luck never strikes the same place twice. Let the dealership incur the cost of repairs...
….and government subsidies that tilt the playing field towards unsafe EV’s.
That's why he got a free battery replacement. Like a woman he used a Victim card
But it’s not an ev?
"...zero research and education of the reality of EVs and batteries"...THEY RECYCLE THEM NOW. Do YOUR research before parroting the PR from oil companies. 35K on mine ZERO maintenance and charges from my solar panels. Think of me when you drop $150 a week to the oil cartels.
car manufacturers should be required to list the cost of out-of-warranty EV battery replacement on the window stickers... just like how they are required to list the fuel consumption
Should they also list the price of a new engine and transmission for ICE cars?
If you have an EV you just have to complain to a media outlet and they will get you online and a free fix. We’ll see how long that last.
Do carmakers have to list the cost of a new engine too? Don’t be ridiculous. Call a dealer parts department and price it out yourself. It’s your purchase, do your research first.
That could change drastically after 10 years if your battery goes south.
The costs just keep going up though.
As someone who works on ev and are seeing them come out of warranty...without help from the dealership most people won't be able to afford the repair..
Maybe it would be cheaper to lease EVs and return them before the warranty runs out.
And thus the environment is further impacted negatively in many ways. People need to do their own research instead of relying on the media, which is paid for by big money and governments. Electric battery operated vehicles are NOT an environmentally sound option in “most” cases.
Junk
Yep and better yet. No one will want to buy a used one. When they will soon be a paperweight.
A good note for anyone thinking of buying a used EV .
I’m glad Consumer Matters was able to help this man. But given what he and others have gone through, I won’t buy an electric vehicle unless it comes with a lifetime warranty on the battery!
Why should they help him? Its wear and tear, will they do that for all car owners that have problems outside their warranty?
So what every person that buys an electric car and they’re warranty runs out they’re just gonna have to call the news and the news is gonna help everybody and do a new story for them? Because I highly doubt the news is going to do that for every single person.
How does anyone not know by now that a battery is a fortune and makes most cars scrap when the battery needs changing.
I know, how dumb do you have to be? He was shocked, really? Everybody knows this.
Can you not say the same about a car transmission or engine?
@@brettcarter5142a transmission and even replacing it won’t cost $15,000
If an engine or trans blows on a used car (very rare for this to happen on a late model car) best to put a junkyard engine in it and sell it. Do not under any circumstances spend big money as you will be throwing good money after bad.
@@brettcarter5142the other guys car would cost a total of $50,000 to replace the battery and install it. That’s the price of a nice fully loaded Mustang…
$30k for a car...$15k to replace battery. You can get a really nice car for the $45k you're spending. Go gas
Exactly. I mean they sold over 250,000 of these and these two people have problem. People who own gas cars never ever have problems. No recall nothing.
@@saksit247 well..if you own a gas car and the battery goes out - its roughly $200 for a new battery. And we all know that warranties have all kinds of loop holes.
That's wrong. It's 30K (new car) - 21K (savings) = 9K + 15K, (new battery) so 24K total for the 2018 Ioniq with a new battery. And that's if you are spending 15K on a battery or not. He never had 45K for a new car.
@@HunterShows You can get a new car for 9K? Seems like Liberal math
This is still a gas car..
Best day of my life was when I sold my Hybrid cost a fortune to get it fixed and took forever to get parts. All the parts cost an insane amount of money.
But,but......the environment :(
hyundai EV battery $60,000/😂
@robertguay3733 I’m guessing it wasn’t a Toyota. My experience has been the opposite of yours. Prius goes strong and is cheap to maintain.
@@kirilakmadjov8307Yes I agree with you. All the mining for EV batteries Lithium, cobalt, nickel and copper just doesn't fall from the sky. And these old batteries are very dangerous! You can't even buy a used battery or New one for a used Nissan Leaf, why not?
There is no way I buying an electric car, thank you for the heads up.
After years of "heads up info" about battery costs, it baffles me that EV owners are still so ignorant.
There are many that don't have any issues
But, but, it's the principal of the thing! I'm saving the planet. I really am, really. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@markmd9of course! Most people won't suffer a smashed windscreen either.
But you should be aware before buying if the windscreen is going to cost 1/2 the price of the car.
@@alanjm1234 Everyone and their mom knows the engine/battery is the most expensive thing in a car. This isnt about a windscreen. This is about the most essential part of the car.
This is just ignorant in general, my Mitsubishin Twin-Cluch was a $12'000 repair, worth more than the car. There are tons of cars where replacing a powertrain component would be around 15k.
And THIS, ladies and dobermen, is why the adoption of EVs won’t happen as expected.
This guy isn’t alone!
unless it becomes forced on us
@@ryan-el9erthen it’s time to match on some lawns, armed!
@@rifledepot6067 i mean…. ok. lol. i’m all for guns, believe me. i think we should be able to own almost anything we want. however, the government is not stupid despite how it may often appear. i’m sure by now you have noticed the way the American government operates in the context of controlling us - they control more and more over time but do it in a way where we have the illusion that we are still in full control. there may never come a day where they forcefully come and take your guns or other property - why would they need to? if i were the government and were so inclined, i would devise a plan that leads to almost all mechanics disappearing, stopping (but not making illegal) the sale of used car parts designed for gas powered vehicles, and probably a few other decisions that lead to us having no choice but to get EVs. what do you do then?
I will NEVER own an EV.
I will never own a vehicle that needs to boot up. I'll take a properly maintained diesel engine 7 days a week.
Never gonna give up my '91 Civic...and this video makes me feel even better about that decision.
And for the curious, yes, I do my own work, so the car costs next to nothing to maintain.
Never giving up my 2013 9th gen si coupe
Keep them them civics boys
My 10 year old civic cost the same as the EV battery in this video. Can’t believe some people buy EVs to save on gas lol
okay, granpa.
To be honest, I recommend the channel electric Viking on RUclips as he actually does research and global news, doesn’t do any
There's no better way to advocate for the environment than buying a gas or diesel engine.
My car gets 35 miles to the gallon but let's be real if your car is getting less than 30 you aren't doing anything for the environment.
@@jacobbennett4074 i rather consume has than waste lithium resources like this.
The story is similar with the Toyota Prius. But the Prius hybrid battery is basically a bunch of segments which make up a large battery bank. In most cases only a couple segments are bad, not actually the whole battery pack. I have purchased many Of these cars with so called hybrid battery issues, disassembled them, test them with a multimeter, remove the offending battery segments, and replace them with good used batteries (usually around 20 bucks each), clean all the terminals by placing them in a vinegar solution, reassemble the battery and install it back in the car. In every case, I have had 100% success with the repairs. I wonder if the Hyundai battery is equally as serviceable.
It likely is, but most people are to dumb and lazy to service anything anymore
Probably is but Hyundai is not in the business of saving you money. They want to recoup the cost of you not going in to them for brake pad and oil changes.
@@samboni702 Yeah but they do want to sell new cars. What do you think that guy sentiment is on buying another Hyundai electric car after a bad experience like that. They are looking for a lifelong customer, not a one time customer. That’s just my thought.
The Ioniq is exactly the same. Manufacturers/Service Techs just can't be bothered to replace individual segments within the battery because it's less profitable.
@@FCoFix So there needs to be a third-party to help make electric/hybrid car ownership more economic. There are already companies who swap out hybrid batteries on site regarding the Prius. But that void needs to be better filled to include different makes
I used to have an electric car, so glad the company recalled it and bought it for fair value, that way we didn't have to deal with replacing the battery which is impossible or expensive
Only happening to non-Tesla's. The dealerships are scamming people. It doesn't cost $15K to replace a plug in hybrid battery. It costs like $1,500. Dealership is trying to price gouge and make a killing off of people. Tesla car battery's are 6x-9x the size of these plug in batteries and Tesla charges $11K to replace.
When the concept of EVs was first introduced, I was keen to own one. That changed quickly when I became aware of their many shortcomings, least of not which was the cost to replace a dead/faulty battery. This story drives that home. The fact that the battery WILL have to be replaced at some point automatically negates the benefit of ever owning one. Chances are, the replacement battery cost will more than offset any gas savings one might realize over the course of owning the EV. Electric is a good concept, but one that I do not think will ever see mass adoption given its many drawbacks and shortcomings.
Plus what it does to the earth to get those minerals, that the batteries have to be disposed of somewhere, and if you get into an accident and there is a battery fire you will die
@@williamgullett5911 People have no concept of just how hard it is to mine lithium and cobalt, it's a rare earth material. Even with the EV's becoming more and more prominent on the road, the cost of the batteries will never come down substantially due to that fact alone.
I like to say I’ll own one when the time is right and they’ve improved their available parts and make faster repairs and offer bigger incentives bc like you said there is an inconvenience of a battery change and cost
@@mrbriceno3949 Who is gonna have to pay for others to get incentives?
When they were first introduced you weren’t even a thought in your great grandfathers mind. EV were introduced 200years ago and failed miserably! Go ahead look it up, i can wait. 1820 something if i remember correctly.
EV is not a new idea and has continued to fail since its first design, always for the same reasons. Battery life, charging points, cost. Failed idea for 200yrs is bonkers to keep trying.
$15,000 for a replacement battery? Remember the $$$$$$$ you saved by not buying gasoline
Sheeple.... remember the money spent on electric
The electricity its not free either
Uh, they aren't free to charge.
That’s why we went with TOYOTA, a PRIUS of course. Cost of the Hybrid Battery was $5,000. When we gave them the old battery, they discounted the battery $2,000. So it basically cost us $3,000, and we installed it ourselves…
So far the only thing I have learned from all this is to avoid Hyundai when it comes to Hybrid Vehicles…
🤔
Or just Avoid Hyundai in General. If you live In an Urban City, they will keep getting Stolen and broken into by people attempting to steal it.
Don't forget the last decade they have been building Gasoline Engine prong to Spun Bearing.
Thing is about Hyundai, is their build quality, and especially the electric systems are total rubbish, I have had 2 Hyundais and still have a gas powered one, engine is fine, but what stops working? Anything electrical.. I would not trust a Hyundai EV if their radios and electric windows and door locks stop working.
Why such huge difference in prices?
@@rnegoro1 ZERO clue, can only speak from personal experience with TOYOTA. Did the battery replacement at around 170,000 miles on the odometer. That same PRUIS now has over 350,000 miles recorded and still going. Honestly, we felt the original Hybrid Battery failure was a fluke occurrence….
We even doubled down on ELECTRIC VEHICLES and also drive a fully electric car too. ZERO regrets…
🤔
@@rnegoro1 Product scale, usually.
Toyota Hybrid has been around for a while and have economy of scale.
Also, I think most Plug In hybrid Battery Size is like 4x bigger than Gas Only hybrid.
I work for a Hyundai Dealership in Illinois. That's about right. Most Hyundai electric cars do have those issues.
On used cars.😢
All electric cars do
The Koreans still have a long way to go. All of their automobiles have various issues.
But in Korea, the government sides with Hyundai all the time and consumers get screwed
Must be a Canada/US issue, Hyundai in Europe is doing quite well and score highly on reliability. Particularly the Ioniq, even on the used market
Would’ve been way better off with a Tesla. Hyundai is not the best car brand.
Well, that killed my electric dreams. This sounds like a nightmare.
Another thing most aren't talking about is EVs need tires changed out frequently because of the added weight from all the electronic stuff. From what I only about 10k miles before tires are toast.
I had a dream my life would be
So different from this hell I'm living
So different now from what it seemed
Now life has killed the dream
I dreamed. (from Les Miserables play)
@@MistaTofMainemore wear on the roads as well.
Ya electric wont work... Common since tells you that
Says you and then buys a hybrid, because they are not electric cars ???? You don't know what you are talking about, you seem confused.
I have an 03 Toyota Camry with over 187,000 miles still runs like a champ.
On the flip side, don’t understand how a 5 year ago car almost 200,000 km still be covered by any warranty, unless buyer paid extended warranty…
EV components always have long warranties due to how reliable they are. Most EVs have at least a 10 year 160K km warranty.
Even then, Hyundai Canada has a 10-year 100k km standard warranty and even extended the battery to 160k km.. tell me any other manufacturer who has that?
Most reputable EVs and home batteries have at least a 10 year warranty in the battery.
You always need to research the PROS & CONS especially when purchasing major merchandise. Labor to install that $15,000 electric battery is around $2,000. With $17,000 you can almost purchase a new compact/small car with a few thousands extra or use that $17,000 as nice down payment for nice all GAS ⛽️ vehicle 💯
How many cars can you buy for $17,000 out the door?? With tax, license , fees, finance cost is going to be more than $20k! Most cars today in USA is going to be 25-30k. Ever see what cars cost in Singapore????
@@wolfyklipat least 10. My 98 ram diesel was $2,000 with 290k miles and cost me less in maintenance over 60k miles than my 2022 Camry. New cars are crap. Thing ate through tires and rotors. I sold it and got a $800 Mazda, not pretty like the Camry but same build quality sadly, plus it rides smoother.
Nobody is pointing out that he WENT TO THE DEALERSHIP FOR A MAJOR OUT OF WARRANTY REPAIR!!! That battery should cost 1/2-1/3 at a independent garage that works on these batteries.
@@utubenewb1265The only problem is that very few independent shops, if any exists for these new batteries technology. So, it's the dealership or nothing.
Always a good idea to do the math and think even though both are hard.
He drove 190,000km over the course of 6 years for $125/month including the cost of the car itself.
I think the companies are price gauging. The batteries can’t cost that much or they would be losing thousands on every single vehicle they sell.
You want merchants to give you parts for the same price they manufacture them? There will be no merchants without incentive
Well, it's more expensive because:
1. A whole car is worth less than the some of all it's parts. When are are is mass produced out of a factory the cost of labor and parts can be spread out amoung all the products. However when you take your car in to get a major part replaced, that part on it's own is going to be much more expensive, especially if it's relatively new technology and in limited supply.
2. Labor and installation will be more expensive as well.
That all said, I still think they are ripping people off with these EV and hybrid batteries. $50 to replace a 5-year-old Hyundai full EV battery is insane!!!!!
@@brienemard doesn’t change what i said that many of these companies are ripping off consumers by charging way more than they need to. In the long run they hurt themselves.
The government subsidizes the EVs to try to fool people into thinking they're getting some kind of deal. Then you're on your own.
They do lose thousands on every vehicle... the government is giving them billions of dollars in subsidies funded by you and I
let this be a lesson that "saving the environment" is not free. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise
Suddenly 3gs for a new 2.0l engine for the same car doesnt sound to bad
3 grand? from where? try 8k
@@robertfonovic3551 my brother just got a new engine for his hyundai elantra it was 3200 all in
Try 660 for a fully running 95 maxima
@@robertfonovic3551a rebuilt one with all soft and hard parts replaced is about 3 grand and installation another 2 grand. Still way cheaper and the engine is almost new
8 grand will buy you a brand new diesel engine for a heavy duty pickup truck. A new gasoline car engine about half that. Used used, good running junk yard engine only 500 bucks.
I have a 2021 Prius L Eco and a 2016 RAV4 Hybrid. With both vehicles the battery cells can individually be replaced if needed. I can pick up a cell for about $20-30 bucks a pop and swap them myself if needed. I am shocked when I hear stories like this and I hope people stick to gasoline or hybrid only vehicles because of this very issue. The manufacturers and dealers are greedy!
Uhuh. Ok rich rebuilds. 😂😂😂
Just a glimpse of the future for drivers.
only for used-car owners. 99% of the population doesn't understand hybrid batteries require regular maintenance aka. vacuum the filters once a month. Buying a used hybrid is just asking for trouble.
Consumers need to ask about repairability upfront, and it's good that videos like this are raising awareness.
If this hasn't made TV or Hyundai been contacted by a company who could make this worse, they would never have replaced it. Do not think for one second they would do this for others - it's all about avoiding bad PR.
The car was 30k past warranty, and he bought it used..why would hyundai replace it for free..
@@martinfarrell5778 Like all companies, they want to avoid bad PR like the plague, and the real issue is not the hassle to get it repaired, it was the fact the car was basically written off because he scraped the battery pack, which means the state of the battery is unknown. That's the crime here.
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These companies need to have a catastrophic insurance option for repairs that cost more than $10,000.
It’s called a match…
Amen! 💯
He put 194,000km that 120k miles on that car. You may have to replace something at that point.
I really don't understand his complain and those who agree with him. He drove over 120k miles without the need of replacing the original battery, that's already very impressive given it was a Korean car from 2017. If he can't afford the replacement, go to an after market option.
@@deloiero I know with 120k miles on a gas car you would be on your second transmission.
I don't think the issue here is the battery dying. The issue here is the price, that's a whole new small car.
@@didier_777uhh, not if you maintain it! Change fluid and filter every 60k. Most people don’t maintain their cars properly.
@@didier_777 you definitely shouldn't be on transmission #2 at 120k, but it's understandable the battery would need replacement at that point since they do wear out with charge and heat cycles.
It’s good that you reporting this so others stay away from that when government pushes for something it’s probably crappy
The 2018 Hyundai Ioniq hybrid has an 8.9kWh battery. According to a recent Bloomberg article, current industry average production cost is US$139/kWh at the pack level. Therefore, this battery shouldn't cost more than US$1250 to manufacture. Add a markup and maybe generously a few thousand for installation, total should be maybe 1/3 of the $15,000 he was quoted. This has nothing to do with "EV batteries are expensive", and everything to do with dealerships blatantly ripping people off. (This seems to be common with Hyundai/Kia)
By comparison, a Tesla 90kWh battery costs about CAD$28,000 including installation and tax, per a Dailyhive article from 2022. (10x the size for only 2x the cost this guy was quoted)
The fact that in the end, Hyundai Canada gave him a free battery even though he was out of warranty, indicates it likely was a small cost to them.
Also, Hybrid's are not EVs, they are hybrids, you know, with a combustion engine and gas tank...
My guess is the OEM stops making the particular battery for these cars, and as a result the price skyrockets simply out of supply and demand. Generally the hybrid version of a model is produced in fewer numbers than the gas only versions, and as such, so are the specific parts for those hybrids.
It's that way with pretty much ANY car part that has low production numbers. The aftermarket giants don't make any alternatives because the overall consumer base is small, so your pretty much left at the mercy of the OEM, who's decided to jack the price up because they don't have many of those parts in stock.
The good news is, if you're crafty or know a good mechanic who is, you can often times rebuilt these car specific battery packs without the help of the OEM. Because the cells themselves aren't a unique design, and are often shared across many different vehicles. For instance, an infinity q50 hybrid will cost 20k for Infinity to replace the battery pack. However, I believe the cells in that pack are shared with the prius hybrid. Thus, you can easily obtain those cells at a very reduced cost and rebuild that battery pack for a mere fraction of what the OEM wants to charge.
This right here. Dealerships charge an arm and a leg for these things. It's sad that there's still not many indy mechanics that can pull off one of these changes.
The $139/kWh for the packs is only for the most mass produced batteries where the production lines are set up and running well. Once the battery pack is out of production that cost vanishes. A much smaller scale production line exist producing only a very small amount of those battery packs. Costs skyrocket 10-100 times as the building, equipment, and labor cost to maintain and keep up to date now needs to be averaged over a very limited production volume.
Why didn’t he just keep driving on gas and shopped around for battery replacement
Excellent post but one correction, there "was" a full-electric vehicle in the story. The guy that was quoted the $50K+ CAD w/tax and labor was driving an all-electric Ioniq. The first guy was the one with the PHEV and he was quoted $15K CAD no tax/labor. Still, both are seriously outrageous! Those Hyundai dealerships should be investigated.
Lol... Thanks, but I will continue to enjoy my gas guzzling behemoth of a car
...good. keep that old Ford or Chevy Blazer...or Thunderbird, or Chrysler Cordoba.....or ....same....69 Ford LTD....
I love my 03 Chevy Silverado
15k for just a plug-in hybrid battery is insane. Would be a reasonable price for a full ev (ie: not plug-in hybrid) battery replacement but ideally that should never be needed if battery was designed to have modules that can be replaced independently. I think that is the case with the Porsche Taycan by design but dunno of any other manufacturer that does this.
Full EV battery would cost much more than $15k to replace
All batteries are made of smaller modules, but they need to be balanced so they work as one correctly.
My VW ID3 would cost about $25k to replace the battery.
Not insane, it has always been known that the batteries are the biggest consumable cost of EVs. Do people think magically they are going to last forever and that the manufacturers are going to foot the replacement costs?
This guy made out like a bandit. His gas savings alone would have paid for a brand new battery install and then he'd have a fresh battery for likely another 200k km. The fact that he now likely won't be paying anywhere close to 15k means that he gets to keep most of his gas savings to boot.
Why is this a surprise ? These electric car owners are living in a dream world. Everyone already knows what a replacement cost and how long they last but when it’s time to fix these things they all start crying. Plus the increase to your license plate fees , do you think there just gonna forget about the gasoline tax to maintain the roads. But hey you’re saving the environment lol.
I have a relative who just donated his EV to charity because of something similar! His batter replacement cost was more than what his car was worth! Keep you EV, thank you!!!
They are throw away vehicles!
And this is why I got my 2024 Hyundai Kona with Gas only. No Hybrid no electric. So glad.
Well..... that was not the smarter decision over all other good cars on the same price ...but is better than a electric
Hyundai is a bad car brand. My last car was a Hyundai Santa Fe. I will never buy a Hyundai again..
Good for you, don’t really understand why people would say Hyundai is a bad car brand. I have a 2016 Elantra GT that I purchased brand new and it has been amazingly reliable. Barely cost me anything in repairs and runs as smooth and comfortable as a Lexus. Of course cars fail, but all brands have bad batches of vehicles with the same problem.
@@SeanD808No more Hyundai for me either. I guess like any brand, quality gone downhill.
But you still bought a POS Hyundai.
I have recently seen RUclips videos where the batteries in two Ioniq 5 vehicles in Canada have been written of by the dealership having sustained minor scuff damage with a replacement cost of $60 000. The cars became insurance write offs.
I was looking to buy an ev last month, those 2 videos made me buy an ICE lol.
i think you are forgetting that in the case of one of those, that kid's insurance will go up for 10 years because of that
yes because hyundai canada has been plagued with scammers they are committing insurance scam pretty much. its not an overall thing hyundai is doing. I do agree that hyundai name being attached to it doesnt make them look good but its rediculous to think otherwise. battery/engine is the same thing they could claim a 50k car with an engine needed a 60k engine replacement. this happens more often then you think for non EV's and this is also why you get second opinions or even third opinions before totalling out a car. but I can also tell you you can total out a car easier then you think.
And the insurance write off is only a part of the overall picture. EV batteries have a tendency to spontaneously ignite and re-ignite anywhere from minutes to weeks after being comprised in any way, and when they do catch fire they are almost impossible to put out and takes many times the water and resources vs an ICE vehicle fire. Then there's the increased risk to the tow truck hauling away the wrecked EV, as well as the risk to auto repair shops and junk yards working on and storing the damaged EV. All these additional costs trickle down to the everyday consumer, in the form of auto and home/renters insurance increases, my premium went up close to 30% last year and I drive a 2014 mustang convertible, V6 as an everyday driver and I have a clean driving record, good credit and no points on my license or at fault accidents, only had to file one claim two years ago when an uninsured driver pulled out in front of me while distracted by her cellphone and I T boned her minivan while doing about 50 mph in my just paid off 2015 Ford Fusion titanium.
Yep , def saving the environment
He travelled 190k km. He effectively utilized the battery cycles to the max. If you charge and use a phone over 1500 cycles you expect the phone to have poor battery health
I thought first he was shocked by the voltage from the battery. But it was even worse shocked by 15k price tag
I would do it for 4,000 plus 8 hrs labor.
And that wasn't even installed.. what a joke that car is a hybrid too so that battery isn't even that big compared to an all electric car.
@@jonathantaylor6926 It's a series hybrid from the distant past. This battery can be renewed by replacing the cells, about a hundred pounds worth or 1500 dollars. All these stories about replacement costs are not to be trusted
There are Toyota Prius Taxis with more than 700,000 km with the original battery still rolling
That’s because it’s a TOYOTA and not some POS Hyundai! 😝
The battery is easy to replace too.
@@huntebjHyundais last just fine. Stop with the foolishness. Not all vehicles are made the same.
wow😮😢😢
As much as it pains me to admit it... the prius is a very solid car.
And electric vehicle is the so called future of cars.😂😂😂
It's the present, and future, of Scams.
This doesn't even mention EV unpredictable range and their tendency to explode/burst into flames. Very inconvenient.
I think hydrogen may be the way. Its the most abundant element. Water is the output exhaust. Burning petrol & coal does need to be phased out, but with EV the battery recycling/refit isnt yet up to par. It seems just more bad mining practice and landfill with unguided competition, VS a tight regulated modular construction / ISO international standard thing that PROPERLY recycles all the battery material for worldwide reuse. So they specifically designed with disassembly in mind. Same with solar panels. They can be good for supplementary power, but not if they just made poorly, with short lifespan and then all material put in trash.
Robbery without a gun
Why are they complaining? Isn’t it worth the feels they get from saving the environment?
😂
Look at me I have an EV and I am superior to you because I believe I am saving the planet - What $15K for a replacement battery? Look, at me I now have a new regular gas car and I am happier now.
So glad to see Car Help Canada give it's expert opinion. Love the channel! ❤
He bought a used car with 200k miles for 30,000 dollars. The guy does not know what he is doing.
This is what happens when people get suckered by companies that virtue signal that buying their products is "helping the enviroment."
Best way to help the environment is to walk. That’s what I do. Good exercise, no worries about parking, can get a wagon if you need it (also people will think you are homeless and won’t mess with you lol) and you have extra spending money for other things. Cars are a money pit for the sake of convenience. They take too much space, bad in cities, bad for the environment and promote lazy behaviors such as driving to your mailbox 😅 I have seen that way too many times.
@@Shastasnow Most of the time, yes walking is not bad thing to do. However practicality does have a role in the use of the automobile whether you like it or not. I cannot see long haul trucking suddenly replaced by just walking. Plus on raining or snowy days, the idea of being in a warm dry car to get from point A to point B also seems to be a better alternative than walking in that type of climate.
What blows me away is how people are oblivious to any of this. If your car runs off of a battery 🔋 at some point it's going to have to be replaced. And even if you buy the extended warranty in fine print it tells you it's not going to cover the expensive battery. I know many people that purchased a used Teslas totally unaware of the battery replacement but brags about how they don't have to buy gas. Warranty is gone and they riding around like it's all good.
yep they gonna find out the hard way...
If it has an engine, it is also going to have to be replaced.
Anyone who owns a cell phone should know of battery 🪫 issues
@@toddtheisen8386 most people do not replace car engines, the original one is good for decades. Also an engine swap might cost you 7000 tops, but any car that needs a replacement engine was paid off a long time ago saving you tons of money. The big concern with EV‘s are premature battery failures before your loan is paid off
@@ticenits1926 Who has a 10 year vehicle loan? My wife's EV has a 100,000/10 battery warranty. I'm still driving her old 2004 Prius, with the original battery. Seems like a lot of hysteria for nothing.
Just buy the Good Old Faithful "Gas Powered Car" and never worry about batteries costing more than $300 and Enjoy the Convenience of Gas Stations Everywhere, Not to mention NEVER WORRY ABOUT BEING LOCKED OUT OF AN ELECTRIC CAR WHEN BATTERY DIES 💯💯💯💯
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EVs are basically disposable. The battery dies, junk the car, buy a new one! How is this sustainable and good for the environment?
Guess we need to ask Gilbeault - he is pushing these things and even 'tho' he didn't know the cost of them - maybe he's finding out these days they are not worth it - just like him and his boss!
Doesn't matter if it's good for the environment or not. It's good for the economy because they're going to build the assembly plant, the batteries and the cars here. Hopefully using Canadian labour (probably not)
@@checory They're shipping in 1600 workers from South Korea for the LG Energy Solutions EV battery plant in Ontario.
We need more of these stories, people need to know this ev scheme that is being perpetrated on us.
It should be disclosed in the contract.
Name even a single "gas car" that you can drive 190,000km over the course of 6 years for $125/month including the cost of the car itself.
@@JeffVanRooy lol still not worth paying 30k for a battery... Do the math dude.
Ps I live in Canada where temp drops to -30s and -40c.. batteries don't last in these temps.. and are bound to degrade faster.
@@Sigma4Life972I did the math, maybe you should try doing it since you obviously haven't.
Paying a grand total (meaning including cost of the new car itself) of $125/month to drive a brand new car 190,000km over the course of 6 years is beyond an amazing deal.
P.S: I live in Sask and have one, it's a barely noticeable drop in distance and it's actually nice to not have to worry about your car not starting and having instant heat when it's -40c.
After sitting outside in -40 for over a day, click a button on your app and the inside of the car is +10 in ~5 minutes.
Honda civic owner is shocked by 10 thousand dollar cost of replacing engine after not replacing oil filter properly
Don't feel sorry for a sucker. Car companies lie. Politicians lie.
I agree with you
Exactly
politicians are liars
What sucks, is we all pay for this. We all pay for this wasteful expensive stuff through our currencies and subsidies given out by the govt.
Until they work out the deficiencies of EVs, I can't imagine buying one.
remember, only lease the EV and return it to the dealer before warranty end, therefore you can take all the advantage but avoid all the disadvantage.
Seems to be the way to go with EV! Good point!!
Yup, literally own nothing and be happy. Leasing Cars, leasehold property titles, subscriptions, etc.
Maybe. How much does that lease cost though? Depreciation is huge in the early years of an EV, so you are going to pay that depreciation.
Treat EVs like German cars, lease them, and avoid the after-warranty money pits they are.
@@spyder61man To sum it up: just pay a lot more to own a car. LOL! As if leasing reduces your ownership cost versus buying a long lasting ICE car.
The battery pack for a plugin hybrid is much smaller than what is used in an EV . Sounds like Hyundai is price gouging.
Ya 100 percent. If 30k is the total car price, EV battery should be maybe 4000
@@pinecedar180 regular hybrid battery are more then 4k
Problem is that these batteries have to be put in a warehose for years before they are needed (like most replacement car parts). How many should be made and warehosued at what cost? Should that be added to the price of the original sale or charged to the person who needs it later? A bunch of whiners here that think they are entitled to what they want at their price. Idiots that buy EV's because they believe they are way cheaper and then find out the promise is not all that they were told by the greenies! Buy EV's if you want but live with your decision whithout all the drama!
Seems like this whole report doesn't know the difference whatsoever between a Hybrid and an EV Car. Hybrid's need gas to run, but save you at the pump. An EV is a complete electric vehicle as in "EV" and doesn't not take gas to run.
thats how they make money.
Meanwhile my 2006 Mercedes C-Class that was bought used and cheap is running strong with just regular annual service,still looks beautiful and a joy to use too.super reliable and built to last.
The Mercedes engine is expensive to my friend engine blow up they ask him $20,000 just for a engine
“Built to last”? Not according to JD Power, Consumer Reports, Edmonds and the like who test reliability and give ratings. Here is the current ranking from Consumer Reports:
1. Toyota
2. Lexus
3. BMW
4. Mazda
5. Honda
6. Audi
7. Subaru
8. Acura
9. Kia
10. Lincoln
11. Buick
12. Genesis
13. Hyundai
14. Volvo
15. Nissan
16. Ram
17. Cadillac
18. Ford
19. Tesla
20. Chevrolet
21. GMC
22. Volkswagen
23. Jeep
24. Mercedes-Benz
@@davidkendall1614 keep reading these nonsense random reports over the internet,but I speak from real in person experience.Ive been driving cars for over 25 years and had many cars from different brands.all used .
older Mercedes Benz were the most solid,well built vehicles I ever owned.
I know quite a few old Mercedes Benz owners with 15-20 years old cars with over 200k on their clock,all going strong.
Additionally if you travel to Germany,vast majority of Taxis are older Mercedes E-Class from 90s and early 2000s many of them with over 400k miles on their clock.
that’s a clear proof for Mercedes longevity and quality,besides a-lot if folks in the US think of Mercedes as a luxury sedan car brand but in reality Mercedes makes all kinds of heavy duty functional vehicles such as vans,trucks even military vehicles they’re just not common in America.
@@meteor1522 Old, not new. Now if you are going to be nasty about the subject…how many people who are reading about electric vehicles are going to go out and buy 20-30 year old Mercedes-Benz and try to keep them running like you? On the contrary, if they accept the Gospel according to YOU and think that ALL M-B are top of the heap in reliability and buy new, they may be sorely disappointed. BTW “nonsense random reports” huh? MULTIPLE sources, where TESTING and REAL LIFE OWNER SURVEYS are factored in…yeah, that’s bogus I must say over the word of one crotchety guy.
@@davidkendall1614 did I say EV vehicles should go and buy 20 yrs old Mercedes or is it you putting words into my mouth?
You better take your negativity and bitterness somewhere else fellow.
I’m done responding to your trolling.
Customers shouldn't have to "be aware of the costs", customers shouldn't have investigate like it's a PhD thesis to get a decent car, companies should be held accountable for treating customers like they're the obstacle between them and their money. ENOUGH. We're talking about a $30K machine, a $30K machine should work fine for at least 10 years without any major issues. These are +$25K cars we're talking about not a $10 Aliexpress plastic toy...
you are supposed to trade in those battery cars before the warranty is up
YES, so you will always have a car or battery payment the rest of your life. You will never own the car out right. A NEW LUXURY CAR TAX! Or basically LEASING TO DRIVE! You don't own a ELECTRIC VEHICLE you just have the new ELECTRICAL PAYMENT!
That doesn't solve the problem. One way or another, someone gets footed with the bill for battery replacement. It's that or scrap the car. If a car is only good for 5-10 years, it's disposeable.
If the range is too low dealers won't trade them. Just scrap value.
Gee, you mean I was supposed to trade in my '04 Prius 12 years ago?? I'll make a note of that while I'm enjoying my ride in my 20 year old hybrid on its original battery.
@@kenbob1071 Yea good luck. Most need swapping out after 10 years / 180,000 kms. Lost count how many our service dept has done. You're on borrowed time.
My 2 cents, EV batteries will need replacing more often in Canada, with less mileage than say parts of the US, UK or EU, due to our cold weather. You get less range in the winter due to cold effect on the battery, therefore the battery has to be charged more often. Every time you charge an EV, you are depleting both the battery life and range. If you fast charge it, it is even harder on battery life.
Apparently rapid charging shortens life, too.
2009 prius with almost 300,000 miles on it.
it still got original everything. go with toyota or honda . NEVER HYUNDAI OR KIA
@@fffwe3876 Yes, there's a reason why you still see 15 year old priuses. And 25+ year old Toyotas still on the road.
Just want to throw this out, fast charging reducing life seems to be a common myth. Charging speed does not affect life, heat does. So if heat was managed properly while charging we wouldn't have issues
By a lot!@@888Longball
I have a 2012 Honda insight hybrid with 220000 miles on it and it still has the original traction battery . And still gets 40 mpg
Nice...it's all about quality...Honda > Hyundai
Your not to smart are you
@@coreyjohnson8301why not rebuild his existing battery pack? Will be much cheaper than a new one.
This is why petrol cars are the best, made in Japan or Europe only.
We live in a time where people have alot of experience with batteries. I'm not against EV's at all but you gotta admit to yourself theres a high potential that this battery will need to be replaced and it will be over 15 grand to get back on the road. like other batteries there is little warning other than its a 2017 and its 2023. I think 7 years out of a battery is incredible.
yeah but those 7 years battery will already have like 20%+ degradation which make charging power lost actually a wasted energy that instead can be used for something else
Had the same issue with my 2015 Lexus hybrid here in the US. I was quoted $18K for the battery + $2K labor + taxes.
What you end up doing?
@@ClubAmerica92 Found a second hand battery with 65% of life left for $1700 bucks + labor. Total cost, shy of $3K.
So it was like you just got a used transmission for $3k. I’ll be staying with gas. All the savings you think your getting all go away when that battery dies or catches on fire and burn your car to the ground. Good luck selling a used EV!! You will end up taking it to the scrap yard and paying a battery disposal fee.
Lexus is just a cheap expensive Toyota lol yea parts are triple the price lol
@@ASD-DADa lot of people will end up doing the same thing.
Why is he surprised. Everybody I spoke with expected the batteries would cost more than that. Seems like a good deal. 😂
Purchase in 2018 and saved $300/mo in gas costs, applying some math that's $3600 a year x 5 years = $18,000 he didnt pay for gas. Replacement battery $15,000 pls some labor, he still saved about $2,000
It was an hybrid, so it has less batteries than an electric only car, thus cheaper.
@@HobbyOrganist for the price of a new ev I could drive three beaters 300,000km easily, fuel, repairs, everything. Three inefficient beaters too. If they were something fuel efficient like civics or something, 500,000km
And people vote for politicians that want to ban gas powered vehicles and then cry when they get a $15K battery replacement quote.
The problem is not the EV. It is the greedy dealer. His battery can be bought from a different Hyundai dealer for $8400 new. Or an independent EV should could repair it for even less than that by replacing modules or cells.
@@joeaverage2269No, the problem is the EV.
@@chrisalley6282 The EV shouldn't break admittedly. The dealer shouldn't gouge their customers either though. Its one thing to mark up a jug of antifreeze 100%. Its another to mark up a battery 100%. Its greedy and I would publicly call out that dealer at every opportunity.
Word to the wise, DON’T GO TO THE DEALERSHIP FOR ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR WARRANTY SERVICE OR A RECALL, these two things should be free! Dealerships are quick to sell everyone a warranty but it’s like pulling teeth for them to honor it!
Hyundai KIA dealerships are just scammers.
I think he's lucky they decided to cover the cost, because they didn't need too, he's clearly over the warranty distance. But I do question the cost of the battery, being a plug-in hybrid it's battery isn't all that big compared to full EVs. The real story here is the cost of replacement parts, and should car companies be adding huge markups on components when their cars fail?
The cost is in the labor. These cars weren't designed to have the battery easily swapped. The technician basically has to disassemble half the car and reassemble it when it's done.
Its.
@@sparks2429you should watch the video again. That was the price without labour. They didn’t mention labour costs.
The answer is simple, the dealerships are ripping people off to make a crap ton of money off them. The hybrid battery is like 9 kWh in his Hyundai, that's a $1,400 battery. I saw an invoice for a Tesla Model X battery replacement on reddit that was 100 kWh for $11,000 before labor. Follow the money, dealerships always scam people when buying cars, they are scamming people in the service center too.
@@itsatrap7215 The problem is the manufactures won't sell you a battery, you have to go through the dealers. So you either buy used or pay these ridiculous dealership costs.
If he didn’t research what the battery replacement cost would be before purchase is totally on him 100%…🤣
He likely did. And saw the costs around $5500.
Guy was 30,000 kms past warranty . Hyundai really had no business paying for a replacement
This is why i am very concerned with the push for electric cars. California is the first state to push for 100% of cars sold in 2035 and beyond to be electric cars. Yet they're no better than gas powered cars and incur a high cost whenever the batteries fail. Given the electricity they use still comes from fossil fuel burning sources, and the methods used to manufacture the batteries still require fossil fuels to mine.
I've never leased a car, but I'm thinking if I ever have to get an EV it'll be leased, and turned in before the warranty on the battery expires.
leasing companies will be right on top of these issues and will respond with their fees
@@klassikality Paying $25K for a battery is worse.
The battery had 100,000 mile warrantee, he exceeded that in under 5 years!
But your so good on a bicycle. 😂
This is smart!
He did not think about the long term when he was destroying the planet buying a hybrid.
@@richardpatrick2852 do you know what it takes ro build those batteries that only last around 10 years and then contribute to the throw away culture? Being green isn't as green as they tell you.
Wow, they don't want to pay for gas and now want free battery replacement.
They willing to pay, but not at 15k
Imo, I don’t think ppl should be paying more than $10,000 for a new battery. But a battery replacement shouldn’t be more than $20,000. The most I heard was $3,000-$7,000, I’m glad I don’t have an hybrid or an electric. I know batteries last for years,but still wouldn’t pay $20,000 for one,I may pay $15,000
His gas savings $300 X 12 months X 5 years = $18000. The battery cost $15k. Peter said that he bought the hybrid Hyundai was for being a good steward to the environment. REALLY???
The truth is he cared more on the money savings than saving the environment even though if the costs of both might be equally the same.
@@DrPrag he still has to pay for the electricity though
@@error-mc5xw $300 is the savings from gas minus electric!
Once Hyundai fixes it, sell the damn thing.
While the price of the repair is ridiculous, it’s also ridiculous that someone who surpassed the warranty period for a good amount and not having extended warranty asking for it to covered by warranty. The guy’s driven the car for near 200k kms, then expect to have some repair bills even if it was a non hybrid car. A brand new car with 20k kms on it can have a problem, but it’s just covered under the warranty. 200k kms? Normal people would consider that time to buy a new car.
He never requested a free battery under warranty. He said he was shocked that the battery price was more than half the price of the car. His complaint was the cost of replacement, not who should pay. Hyundai only gave him a free battery to get the free advertising on the news channel. No one asked Hyundai to give it to him for free. They were questioned about why the price was so ridiculously high.
200k is just broken in to normal people who buy and maintain Toyota's.
That’s sick that the replacement batteries cost so much and that seems like a major flaw with these cars. They should be designed so they can be replaced at a reasonable price
They can't
@@truth959 Why can't they? This is a hybrid, not a full EV
This is a flaw with Dealerships, and how they rip people off. The batteries don't cost that much. As per Bloomberg, current industry manufacturing costs are at US$139/kWh at the battery pack level. This hybrid has an 8.9kWh battery. It shouldn't cost more than US$1250 to manufacture, add a couple thousand more for installation maybe,
@@SpokesandMegapixelsExactly. Hybrids have a tiny battery pack compared to a full EV. This is price gouging, plain and simple.
@@normang3668plug-in hybrid battery is double or more I'm size than regular hybrid
good intentions going bad....really? How about people doing research before buying the latest fad. Ask at the dealership what is covered under warranty, how ignorance to deflect blame from the ADULT person who bought the car.
"The path to Hell is paved with good intentions." quoted from someone in the 1860s in Ken Burn's Civil documentary. I think that it actually goes back to ancient Greece.
Do your research before making purchases like this. My father-in-law is involved in designing electrical systems on cars. Back in 2015 I needed to get a new car and was looking at a hybrid. We talked with him and his advice was "Don't" His almost exact words were "It will be fine at first but the battery is going to go before anything else major does, and being you live in Arizona, the heat is going to deteriorate it even faster. You will be looking at at least $10,000 to replace it." This was almost 10 years ago. How are these people shocked now that the batteries wear out and cost an arm and a leg to replace?
Chinese 🇨🇳 electric cars are *heavily subsidized* by many levels of Chinese government. Some people bought them, threw them away without driving, and still made profits.
- That's why there are millions of new cars abandoned by owners across the country.
Hyundai is South Korean.
@@FortitudineVincimus the brand is Korean, but the cars (e.g. Hyundai Kona) get their LFP batteries from CATL, which is a Chinese company.
The refurbished EV battery rebuilding has become a scam. Often the problem is just one cell out of hundreds. Replace the bad cell, and your battery is good as new. But the manufacturers make this almost impossible. In most cases they simply throw the entire bad battery pack away. If they made disassembly of these battery packs easier, then finding and replacing the bad cell would be made much easier. But they don't want to do that. MORE MONEY!
LG and hyundai are actually working to make this a thing. I'm waiting on the course to be finalized. We will be able to isolate bad cells and replace them in the shop vs a new battery.
The battery is more expensive than the car itself 😂
$15,000 not including labor (~$50k with labor), making more sense to just buy another car, and put the old one in the landfill. So much for the 'green' option, huh?
I own an auto shop. I've been warning people for years and have insisted sticking to a hybrid.. but not full electric. I said we're going to start seeing a lot of new electric cars laying around for the simple fact that people won't be able to afford to replace the batteries, especially in an economy like this.
Price will eventually come down. Teslas battery replacements went down.
Sadly, this is not out of the ordinary. This past summer I was at a Vespa dealership chatting about one of their e-scooters when one of the reps told me that to replace the battery of this $4,500 scooter would run about $2,000. I was shocked. So I imagine for a 4-wheel vehicle (even the cheapest) would cost you a lot. To rebuild a gas engine would it cost you 15k? I've kept cars 10, and 13 years. Could I keep an electric vehicle that long before needing to replace the battery? I dunno.
Why is that surprising? What did you think made it cost $4,500 to begin with? For an EV vehicle 50% of the cost is the battery.
Once the battery is finished where do they put it?
Into the environment 😆
Where do you think????
At this time there is no proper disposal methods used. They are a danger even when in use as many EVs have burst into flames while sitting in the garage, on a street, in a parking garage causing massive damage. Fire departments have issues extinguishing an EV fire due to the temperatures and battery chemicals involved. It's a chemical reaction fire, not a usual fire. Picture a 4th of July sparkler. it is a chemical reaction. That is exactly what an EV battery fire is. It is a chemical fire and difficult to extinguish.
For 15k... i could by two brand new 200cc scooters, a nice used car, a public bus pass for a year, two electric bicycles, skateboard, roller blades, over 5 pair of running shoes, and hire an escort for a night 😂😂😂
Escort prices can range from small to VIP. Please be me precise 😝