BROOOOOOOO i didn't realize he didn't actually look like a kid until like a quarter of the video when he took the monkey face off. I legit thought dude maybe had a growth disorder or something god damn how does he do that? must have a helluva super computer to do that shit in real time
Haha same! I came in here thinking, "oh yeah I really can't wait to hear advice about how the world should be from someone who has barely experienced it"
Lav saying her sexual history doesn’t change/make sex any less special with her fiancée when on the sex work panel she argued for ages saying sex work had ruined her sexual experience with her fiancée is a solid example of how much she flip flops every single argument she makes when she thinks she can gain a rhetorical point.
Ah yes because only her boyfriend is the only one involved in the sex act right? It's only up to him to decide if the sex is fruitful or not, not you know say the only other person in that act. Incel bullshit that only the dude gets to decide if the sex is ruined or not by her history.
@@pannkeki8940 idk if that's her issue. She claimed kids become sexualy active around 11 years old. That's very telling, and could also be why she's a former sex worker.
Kai has way more experience debating tbf. I thought they both did alright. Not amazing but neither acted like a retard which is an improvement over many convos in this space
I kinda resent her getting notoriety and a career from onlyfans, and then absolving herself from it and calling it abusive once she's rich enough to quit
Welcome to every onlyfans girls life who actually wants to network and make money, it sucks, it's degrading, you're around shitty people all the time, you lie about everything, failure means you have to become a slave to coomers, you're willing to do anything for money, and your only arguments are "you're a Christian or a virgin". Once you get rich, you gtfo and join twitch then talk shit on everyone in the gutter. It's basically the same thing as being an e-beggar
This is how slavery worked for many. Hindsight 2020 after u make all the money off slaves they decide they are against it once its banned. Sterilization of minorities in USA make money off it then against it once its banned. Abortion of minorities in USA make money off it…
It's kinda what i hear some bigger stars who quit prn do and it's sometimes hard because it's starting to look like a pr move to "clean the image" so they could get whatever else work in general entertainment indrusty more easily. More often than not the actual reasons mostly seems to be like ok so you did something you didn't like to do (not forced or coersed) and that wasn't a cool experience for you and now you are kinda making a statement against the whole thing. That's usually when it seems like a pr-move, since rare people really want to accuse another actor or company about anything if nothing out of line happened, then that's what is really left to complain about. Like I don't know if an experience that someone agreed to partake for money and then regretted it is enough to condem like the whole indrusty because the general tought is that people would take it as pretty serious decision if they even go and partake the whole indrusty at all.
@@aleksisuuronen5969 ALMOST 100% were coerced in some way. We cant know their level of indulgence. But they were 17-24 years old with a prefrontal cortex that was no where near as developed as the 35 year old porn recruiter who has been persuading young girls to do porn his whole career. And he shows up with usually false promises of fame and money that these poor youngins cant refuse. And even of the ones who get fame and money (very rare) many go on to quit and denounce the industry. It is inherently evil too
It took roughly 10 minutes for me to comprehensively understand Kai's argument, his policies, and feel like I can guess what he would and wouldn't be in favor of implementing. After several hours of listening to Lav, I cannot for the fucking life of me figure out what the fuck she actually believes in.
It is quite simple really. She believes that his policies are based on his views, and therefore, shouldnt be forced on to others. (Bad porn is bad, and shouldnt be permitted, but normal porn, with concent and all that is ok). You choose if you believe it should be allowed or not, and therefore you consume it or not. She proposes that, you have to make policies to make porn better, not eradicate it, because people will get horny, and will do it regardless, you cant stop it, because it would be imposing what you think is right on them. He just thinks porn is wrong because religion and sin. its not even a debate, this dude is sexually attracted to her, but his views sees her as a sinner, and therefore, he is trying to say that she shouldnt consume porn/believe porn has any good. So he keeps just trying to disprove what she is saying, rather than argument against it. But because his base argument is based on his own premise that porn = bad, it simply falls short. like the dude is a bit of a simpleton, I dont even know how destiny let it drag for so long lol.
Lav really needs to stop trying to argue or debate people. She can't do it. It's so frustrating to watch. She makes whoever she talks to look like a genius.
@@OfficialJabe I do actually like her. She's just young and unexamined in her beliefs (weren't we all) and not very good at debating. Neither make her a lesser person
Really?! I didn't have that impression. I thought she did decently well considering how new she is to debating. Now contrasting her with Destiny, undefeated champion of debating, she looks terrible obviously but that's not really a fair comparison given their different experience in debating. I've seen a lot of orbiters do far worse, that's what I'll say i guess
@@darestone3335 it looks like she is so afraid of losing ground that she keeps adding all these extra qualifiers that make most everything she says seem like it means nothing, and that makes trying to find out the specifics of her beliefs are impossible. I also think she knows this
@@mikecurry6847 wow. not much of one, if at all. keep trying though, maybe not so hard. the joke for me rn is you thinking it was she that was out of her depth and not you, since the insecure virgin man child got annihilated. Humor 101: if you have to explain a joke, it isn't funny
Lav is confusingly flip-flopping in this discussion because she’s defensive over the subject. She’s lived in the world of sex work and pornography, so she feels comfortable being genuinely critical as she starts to grow, and find truer happiness. However, when someone else comes along and has their own critiques, she seems to not be fully ready for diving into parts of her identity that she hasn’t completely “forsaken” yet.
it seems like she's got a pretty coherent position here. she's in favor of reform for the porn industry. she thinks that it is degrading for most people in it. but she doesn't think that porn should be illegal for various reasons, especially for the sake of preserving separation of church and state.
pause at 1:15. genuinely the funniest thing ive seen in a while. in all sincerity, calling her a succubus with a giant shit eating grin, the filter, and the filter making it look like a fisheye lens
Sometimes it really be like that though. I agree that people can usually extrapolate things too far when they feel betrayed and are emotionally charged towards their old religions.
People are ragging on Lav but at around the 28:00 - 31:00 mark Kais argument really falls apart. They both agree that porn is bad but Lav says she doesn’t want to legislate against it. Kai says he agrees with not forcing people to do things but instead to “make it easier for them to make good decisions” by removing porn from the equation. Lav correctly points out that his position is in fact then to control by removing the option for people to make the choice for themselves.
@miserycord0666 And we removing the option to segregate in society or employ based on superficial attributes was taking away freedom too. I don’t think it’s simple, and Kai does have reasons for his position that, while they reduce hedonistic happiness, do leave room for more eudaemonic happiness (meaningfulness). :)
Holy shit the open relationship checkmate at 1:05:00 was brutal. "I'm very satisfied with my fiance and our sex it means something" "Do you have an open relationship.?" Omg that had me dying
@@syl59281 If sex is intimate and meaningful and you're satisfied with your partner, why would you have an open relationship? Wouldn't it be the case that either sex is a big deal, but you need more than what your partner can satisfy or sex isn't a big deal so having it with other people isn't something t be concerned over?
How is that remotely a contradiction? Are “my wife is an amazing cook” and “I love going out to eat at nice restaurants” contradicting statements to you?
@@mrbleachey Because your analogy doesn't draw the same implications. Stating you're satisfied with you partners sex implies that you're fulfilled by this thing. Making this claim and taking actions indicating you haven't been fulfilled, such as idk, engaging in sex with another person, is in fact a contradiction. Your example would be akin to her stating "I like my fiance's sex, and I like it with other people too." Do you see the difference yet?
@@Improvementcrusader23 What is going on in yt chat? Where is this new influx of anti-sjw types 6 years late to the party coming from? Sneako? Kai? Twitch drama frogs? I'm so curious.
I agree with Kai and I still cringed ao hard the Lav allowed herself to get pigeon holed into the 11 year old argument, she just handed him the absolute ideal framing and let him run with it
34:10 What data do you have to support the idea that people will murder more if its legal to murder? Are we really doing this while laughing at him asking if masturbation is actually healthy for you?.. She hasnt provided any data to support any of her assertions, but demands that he provide data for everything he says..
Does he actually believe anything he says? Or does he have sexual hang ups? It’s just dirty videos. Who cares? I’m a hedonistic MF and I’m perfectly fine. (I think)
Live-tracking filters are getting really creepy. Probably right now you could get deep-faked into some security camera footage so well that you'd go to jail for forever.
It’s what happens when you’re afraid of sex but really want it so claim incel and cope by leaning into the fear structure built for you. I was there shortly about a decade ago, but got married very young and thankfully avoided that stage of my young Mormon life.
10:57 Even when it's demonstrated to her how generic her point about taking things one piece at a time is, she takes that as an opportunity to act smug and condescending. The overconfidence is almost baffling
@@darkaquatus sure. But she shouldn't debate. Convos exploring ideas? Sure. But she is not rhetorically competent enough imo to DEFEND many positions at all.
@@indicted_ham_sandwich bingo, one of the recent convos with Tiny, she says something to the effect that she keeps changing her positions the more she talks to people and thinks about things. She is so far from grounded. Convos are better for growth, not defending a moving platform.
True, but to be fair, this kid is also just saying nonsensical BS and prescribing his complete lack of knowledge and experience to things. When someone just makes up shit, it's kind of meaningless to argue with them.
The problem with Lavs “I’m happy rn” is the fundamental problem of causal inference. You can only observe one outcome of an event. We can’t actually know (this is why we use studies and part of why anecdotes don’t work) whether Lav herself would be happier if she lived the Kai lifestyle. Correct me if I’m wrong.
That's difficult to prove. People who have Lav's lifestyle would have circumstances outside Kai's that would probably be a better metric than how much they have or view sex. You would need to show that the strongest variable in someone's happiness is that variable. Isolated and not attributable with other factors like religious beliefs or education. Likely, casual sex is not the variable itself, but instead something bigger having that view as a symptom. I don't think we should essentialize on this.
@@DMLoosey it’s difficult to prove but impossible to know. I guess what I’m saying is that this is the only Lav timeline that we have seen, and another timeline made of different (Kai-like) decisions may have led her to a more fulfilling life. We can only ever know the outcome we observe.
@@kandymann8677 I think we can know through experiment. Remove variables in question such as engagement of porn and sex with others who aren't her partner, as well as abstaining from substance use, and with time she can make that judgement herself. These are the principle behaviors that are at odds with one another's lifestyles in the context of current engagements undertaken that may or may not make one less happy. We don't need the addition of other variables to determine if removing those in debate will make one happier. It is a matter of deduction, not addition that is in question.
Lmao im an athiest and im not completely obsessed with sex or porn, nobody needs porn, its really just something that everyones tricked themselves into thinking is normal, but its really not that healthy XD
@@chriskootstra7355 But you do ban alcohol in certain circumstances.. and require ID and age restriction, plus liquor licenses, etc.. also, weed is still illegal..
@@chriskootstra7355 Agreed. But it is. So until weed is legal, and most other drugs, the argument of "we cant make porn illegal because its like alcohol" seems flawed.. its also like weed, which we apparently can criminalize..
@@falseprophet1024 Weed is legal in many states despite being federally criminalized. And porn requires you to be 18 in the same type of way alcohol requires you to be 21. It is practically unenforced but that is a different argument entirely.
The fact that she relies on being flirty to either avoid the debate or be held accountable proves his point that she is behaving like a succubus and is therefore deserving of being called a succubus in this video alone not even including her prior work on only fans.
It’s healthy to masturbate yes. It isn’t normal or healthy to watch people have sex though. More often than not it warps an individuals veiws on what sex is
Its kinda ironic that Destiny says its difficult for Lav to tell if someone is genuine or trying to f*ck by sucking up to her, bc I could argue that his flirty banter is more effective and has the same effect.
We used to have age verifications on websites. They were useless, and the places they still exist they are still useless. Steam has age verification. They don't even bother to check if it's the birthday you made the account with. I'm old enough to buy any legal video game, but I never provide my actual birthday, I always set the year and click confirm. There is no way to 'restrict' porn in any effective way.
@@yungbeef8444 no, porn just becomes an underground, black market thing populated solely by sex trafficked girls. Congratulations, you will now build an industry where something that has probably existed since a caveman first drew boobahs and dingalings on a cave wall is run by the fucking Russian Mob and/or The Cartels, when previously it could be regulated with health inspectors, OSHA laws, etc. If you are concerned about sex workers, or children having access, the answer is regulation and effective enforcement, not banning outright.
This back and forth was so painful to listen to and watch. I seriously don’t think I’ve ever seen a person as dense and lost as that girl. Wow what a handful she is.
Man Kai has 10 years on lav maturity wise, the classic “if someone is religious just mock them for it the whole time” yeah I love that 13 year old 2014 strat
There are definitely people I would have killed if I didn't have to suffer the consequences. Any time I have the thought, I think "Well yeah, but I don't want to be caged for the next 20 years". And So I don't do it.
@@unyieldingmonotony4453 oh for sure ive actually thought about how we should make it legal in certain circumstances. Driving especially one lane roads one retard going 25 below the limit holding up all the traffic. It should be legal to roll up next to him and kill him at your own discretion. Traffic and car accidents would clear up real fast if there were real consequences.
Destiny is all hyped about saying sex before marriage is based but do you really want advice from someone without commitment and a broken family? I come from a broken home too and i feel horrible for saying that but thats why this is serious! Think for yoursleves, dont be sheep to your own desires acquired through insidious ideas. You deserve better! So strive for it
I'm 46 and was super sexual until I was 35. I got married at 42 and deeply regret my promiscuity. All I have for it are cringe memories and some girls I hurt. That's the reality of 20 years of sleeping around.
I was pretty similar however if I was 42 and still thinking about my 20s then you have some problems that have nothing to do with getting laid in your 20s. People in their 20s fuck around and get hurt. The fact that you use the term cringe like the 20 year olds today and write original comments on RUclips means that you have a heck of a lot of problems. Mid life crisis or something.
I think the general point she was trying to get across was pretty clear. I think the thing that confused people is that she hasn't yet figured out any solid positions.
Yeah she's like that on every topic which is why she should figure out some axiomatic positions or stop debating. She comes off as being much more dumb than she actually is everytime. I remember there was even a debate she had with destiny or talk where he tried to pull her into like examining foundational principles and she just like didn't even come close to getting her head around it.
@@TheWentzMachine Yeah that makes sense to me. It feels like she is actually quite clever and seems to be well read but currently lacks a certain kind of introspection necessary to ground her beliefs.
And a state is the people that live in it. The pornography usage numbers across every single state pretty plainly dictates that the people of all states overwhelming accept Pornography. Even if they deny it in more shameful situations.
@@christisking2226 yea actual usage is so much more indicative of acceptance. The fact that they are ashamed of themselves doesn't make them using it illegitimate. Its not our fault they are sad, broken ppl.
Lived amongst mormons my whole life. I agree all forms of porn could be considered bad. I was a virgin well into my adult life. I still find myself absolutely despising this guy entirely. Weird
This was very symbolic of what’s going on in America at the moment. The loudest people most undeserved arrogant people think they can make laws about something they have never experienced and have so many wrong opinions it’s overwhelming and eventually you just leave them alone
@@yummdiddy yup, and Kai has a deeply uninformed and naive opinion that he had canned for him by others in his life. He looked good because he had a bad opponent, but a lot of morons in this fanbase are cumming over him because he can properly be a condescending debate bro. If Destiny debated him you would realize very fast how naive and sheltered the kid is.
Best part of this is the new phrase I got from this: Baggage of Sin. I will use this often. "How's it going?" "Not bad, but I think I pulled something carrying around my baggage of sin."
Pretty sure the prohibition of the 20s that im guessing you are referencing actually did cause lower alcohol intake ,even though it was rarely enforced on a local level.
Lav might be bad at arguing or not clear on her positions, but I feel like a lot of us in the audience would do just as bad when pressed on some of our points, especially in a public environment
Isn’t it common sense that if a woman is having a lot of sex with a lot of different partners that the sex she is now having with you means less?? I mean if every dude on the block has been with her, isn’t it less meaningful that she is having sex with you? Why is that so illogical to destiny?
@@animeruinedmylife9833 , so if he agreed with something he doesn't agree with, that then proves the point valid? Have you really thought this through?
If you view sex as a commodity that loses value the more it is experienced, sure. I made one of my best friends at the age of 25. I had a LOT of friends come and go prior to that... but I don't think he views our friendship as devalued because I experienced friendship with other people in the past.
@@DemothHymside Sex is an intimate act, even by nature its purpose is to procreate. When ur physically intimate with everyone, then yes ur physical intimacy begins to become less intimate due to the open availability of it. It's not a commodity but it's not friendship. It's more like if ur friend and u shared a special inside joke, but then he started letting everyone in on it. The joke becomes less funny and meaningless.
@@animeruinedmylife9833 , what if the inside joke was so good you wanted your friend to share it with the world? The problem is you're looking at how you value something, and seem incapable of understanding why it might not be an objective stance.
@@doctorisjoe To look at someone as better or worse than someone sounds like a shaky ego problem. Just because you don’t like someone with how they think or talk doesn’t mean they’re worse than someone.
@@gabecoomes7841 I think it’s very fair to say that people are genetically predisposed to have things like higher intelligence or are more naturally inclined for athletics. Is that what you mean by better, or do you feel his morale stance on porn is better than hers?
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Why say something so controversial and so brave
@𝑙𝑢𝑐𝑖𝑏𝑎𝑏𝑖. youre soy facing so hard rn
So you're debating children now? That's low
Even a child knows when a whore is a whore.
The beginning had me seriously tripped out, I felt such relief when I realized it was a filter 😂
I was more disturbed when he switched to the child avatar
It's crazy how far technology has gone. I thought it was real and he had a birth defect.
BROOOOOOOO i didn't realize he didn't actually look like a kid until like a quarter of the video when he took the monkey face off. I legit thought dude maybe had a growth disorder or something
god damn how does he do that? must have a helluva super computer to do that shit in real time
Same, I thought that was a woman or a young boy, but the voice clotheslined me fr. Glad to know I'm still sane.
Haha same! I came in here thinking, "oh yeah I really can't wait to hear advice about how the world should be from someone who has barely experienced it"
Glad we could find a 13 yr old for lav to debate.
😂
balanced match making
On the other hand, he is the only one with a man's voice or name in this debate :D
Skill based matchmaking
Yet she still manages to come out looking like the childish one :V
Lav saying her sexual history doesn’t change/make sex any less special with her fiancée when on the sex work panel she argued for ages saying sex work had ruined her sexual experience with her fiancée is a solid example of how much she flip flops every single argument she makes when she thinks she can gain a rhetorical point.
Besides it’s not her opinion to make it’s up to her fiancé on how he feels about that
Ah yes because only her boyfriend is the only one involved in the sex act right? It's only up to him to decide if the sex is fruitful or not, not you know say the only other person in that act. Incel bullshit that only the dude gets to decide if the sex is ruined or not by her history.
good catch
@@off6848 the reality is. Most men will care. Exceptions don't make the rules.
Isn’t it fair to say there’s difference between her sex work and general recreational sexual activity?
I think one could easily make the case, both secularly and morally, that destiny is indeed a girl's name.
beta
amazin
Dead horse much?
@@fwwaller we beat a dead horse. Like we beat our meat
@@fwwaller no
Debating with Lav is like debating a goldfish… it’s like she immediately forgets everything she said after about 5 seconds
And the little plastic castle is a surprise every time
What do you expect from a girl who does porn lol
That and then she completely derails any topic to try and score a rhetorical point even if it doesn't make any sense at all.
That's way they should've stayed in the kitchen
Yeah she’s jewish. Hitler had the same critique shouting debating jews.
Glad destiny employed skill based matchmaking in this debate
it wasn't good enough. Lav basically needs someone who has no idea what they are talking about to win. Debate just isn't for her imo
@@pannkeki8940 idk if that's her issue. She claimed kids become sexualy active around 11 years old. That's very telling, and could also be why she's a former sex worker.
I mean most toddlers aren't up to debate so its hard finding someone her level.
Working better than in most competitive games!
Kai has way more experience debating tbf. I thought they both did alright. Not amazing but neither acted like a retard which is an improvement over many convos in this space
I kinda resent her getting notoriety and a career from onlyfans, and then absolving herself from it and calling it abusive once she's rich enough to quit
Welcome to every onlyfans girls life who actually wants to network and make money, it sucks, it's degrading, you're around shitty people all the time, you lie about everything, failure means you have to become a slave to coomers, you're willing to do anything for money, and your only arguments are "you're a Christian or a virgin". Once you get rich, you gtfo and join twitch then talk shit on everyone in the gutter. It's basically the same thing as being an e-beggar
This is how slavery worked for many. Hindsight 2020 after u make all the money off slaves they decide they are against it once its banned. Sterilization of minorities in USA make money off it then against it once its banned. Abortion of minorities in USA make money off it…
It's literally " pulling up the ladder once you're up".
It's kinda what i hear some bigger stars who quit prn do and it's sometimes hard because it's starting to look like a pr move to "clean the image" so they could get whatever else work in general entertainment indrusty more easily. More often than not the actual reasons mostly seems to be like ok so you did something you didn't like to do (not forced or coersed) and that wasn't a cool experience for you and now you are kinda making a statement against the whole thing. That's usually when it seems like a pr-move, since rare people really want to accuse another actor or company about anything if nothing out of line happened, then that's what is really left to complain about. Like I don't know if an experience that someone agreed to partake for money and then regretted it is enough to condem like the whole indrusty because the general tought is that people would take it as pretty serious decision if they even go and partake the whole indrusty at all.
@@aleksisuuronen5969 ALMOST 100% were coerced in some way. We cant know their level of indulgence. But they were 17-24 years old with a prefrontal cortex that was no where near as developed as the 35 year old porn recruiter who has been persuading young girls to do porn his whole career. And he shows up with usually false promises of fame and money that these poor youngins cant refuse. And even of the ones who get fame and money (very rare) many go on to quit and denounce the industry. It is inherently evil too
It took roughly 10 minutes for me to comprehensively understand Kai's argument, his policies, and feel like I can guess what he would and wouldn't be in favor of implementing.
After several hours of listening to Lav, I cannot for the fucking life of me figure out what the fuck she actually believes in.
Fuck it, let's vote kai in for senator. Man's boutta drop the best patch note Utah has ever seen
@Alexis Roy Holy damage +85%
It is quite simple really. She believes that his policies are based on his views, and therefore, shouldnt be forced on to others. (Bad porn is bad, and shouldnt be permitted, but normal porn, with concent and all that is ok). You choose if you believe it should be allowed or not, and therefore you consume it or not. She proposes that, you have to make policies to make porn better, not eradicate it, because people will get horny, and will do it regardless, you cant stop it, because it would be imposing what you think is right on them.
He just thinks porn is wrong because religion and sin.
its not even a debate, this dude is sexually attracted to her, but his views sees her as a sinner, and therefore, he is trying to say that she shouldnt consume porn/believe porn has any good. So he keeps just trying to disprove what she is saying, rather than argument against it. But because his base argument is based on his own premise that porn = bad, it simply falls short. like the dude is a bit of a simpleton, I dont even know how destiny let it drag for so long lol.
@@mauriciofrizzarinjunior3287 Exactly. Like I do not understand how its hard to argue against wanting the state to ban porn 'because god says so'.
@@pizzatime8917
Amazing comment!! XD
Lav really needs to stop trying to argue or debate people. She can't do it. It's so frustrating to watch. She makes whoever she talks to look like a genius.
Unfortunately, yeah. Because I probably agree with her premise more here, but she cannot debate it at all
WE LOVE WOMEN
can't learn without a few fuck ups its very easy to tell shes new to this debate stuff she'll get better eventually lol
@@OfficialJabe I do actually like her. She's just young and unexamined in her beliefs (weren't we all) and not very good at debating. Neither make her a lesser person
She's arguing from a losing position. Nobody should debate on this.
I'm glad the Mormon didn't confront destiny on his girl name
he doesn’t interact with that many black women i reckon
@@kazzz2765 He said after high school he saw a black person for the first time...perhaps her name was Destiny..
I think it makes sense, it's not debatable.
@@LobsterUpgraded what is the context
@@joustingknight2088 gamer
Lav somehow finds the worst way to present the most lukewarm opinions. It's astounding really
Destiny finds interesting people to have on that’s for sure
Really?! I didn't have that impression. I thought she did decently well considering how new she is to debating. Now contrasting her with Destiny, undefeated champion of debating, she looks terrible obviously but that's not really a fair comparison given their different experience in debating. I've seen a lot of orbiters do far worse, that's what I'll say i guess
@@darestone3335 it looks like she is so afraid of losing ground that she keeps adding all these extra qualifiers that make most everything she says seem like it means nothing, and that makes trying to find out the specifics of her beliefs are impossible.
I also think she knows this
Kai fucking stomped her out when he asked her if she was in an open relationship. It was beautiful and painful to watch
Time stamp?
@@randybobandy9828 1:05:20
Maybe if you're a religious fundamentalist with an inclination against sex and therefore against women lol
i don't understand how that's a stomp...? it's possible to be completely satisfied in a relationship and still enjoy having sex with other people. eh?
@@retyifourthree6929 no
The fact that he started with a 8 year old filter, and then decided to dial it up to 13 year old mid debate, what a power move
chill bro
@@jumpvelocity3953 I think he was joking 😂
Despite the fact that her opponent is indeed a 6th grader, Lav is still entire oceans out of her depth.
Its now clearer than ever that the kiddie pool is far too deep for Lav.
@@samb4776 wow. its a filter
@@24.7SMOKESHOW wow, it was a joke 😐
@@mikecurry6847 wow. not much of one, if at all. keep trying though, maybe not so hard.
the joke for me rn is you thinking it was she that was out of her depth and not you, since the insecure virgin man child got annihilated.
Humor 101: if you have to explain a joke, it isn't funny
@@24.7SMOKESHOW so you sincerely think that this guy though lav was debating a 6th grader?
Lav is confusingly flip-flopping in this discussion because she’s defensive over the subject. She’s lived in the world of sex work and pornography, so she feels comfortable being genuinely critical as she starts to grow, and find truer happiness. However, when someone else comes along and has their own critiques, she seems to not be fully ready for diving into parts of her identity that she hasn’t completely “forsaken” yet.
it seems like she's got a pretty coherent position here. she's in favor of reform for the porn industry. she thinks that it is degrading for most people in it. but she doesn't think that porn should be illegal for various reasons, especially for the sake of preserving separation of church and state.
No, she’s not flip flopping just because she doesn’t take an absolutist black-and-white position on the morality/ethics of porn.
Considering the things she said about men before I have a really hard time believing she actually loves her fiancé
what did she say?
@@randomrealistictone2231 that women are more important than men and that men are replaceable by science
@@randomrealistictone2231 OBAMNA
@@ronfoster6963 if she really said that, Its over for everyone.
10 bucks says her fiancee is a simp, not a man...
pause at 1:15. genuinely the funniest thing ive seen in a while. in all sincerity, calling her a succubus with a giant shit eating grin, the filter, and the filter making it look like a fisheye lens
Does Lav add any value to these conversations when she ends up debating herself into the opposite position?
Lmaoooo 😂 it’s highly confusing, I felt like she agree on something but disagreed on things she literally argue in the last video lol 😂
@@Ace20315-d Exactly
Welcome to modern feminism.
@@thegamingkitchen8429 grass now
@@dagowow @lanxy hi ladies
Lav is like an atheist that blames her inherited religion for intentionally providing every bad thing she personally felt like she experienced.
Sometimes it really be like that though.
I agree that people can usually extrapolate things too far when they feel betrayed and are emotionally charged towards their old religions.
Like gay people?
This is a bad example
Lav literally has no position at all. It's crazy
Back in the kitchen she goes
@@Improvementcrusader23 she’d probably be happier. she needs off the internet she can’t afford to get any dumber
Any position you want long as it's in the back door and you don't look at her in the eye.
@@mfdoom6642 she can using her vast OF retirement money.
Fuck what was the OC?
Except she does. He's about banning it even with nuance, she wants porn reform. Have you not even listened to what she said?
Someone needs to debate MrGirl with that filter
Then *everyone* will be mass reporting
I wanna see mr girl with that filter fr fr
Destiny finds a 15 year old highschooler for Lav to debate against.
Only to make Lav look even more childish. This was planned by Destiny all along.
@Nicholas H It's a filter
15:50 I literally bursted out laughing, it's like dad talking to his misbehaved teenage daughter lmfao
LOLOL
1:11:30 "You're not above 35 are you?" Oof what a skillshot, right after she thought she succesfully flirted with him.
I love Kai
Bro absolutely swerved tf out of her 😂
FYI the "YSA ward" actually has an age limit of 35. That isn't some random redpill number.
@@brighamallen2299 what is ysa ward? youth sex anal ward?
Bro the kid filter was lowkey genius. I'm kekking
"I hate every ape I see. From chimpan-a to chimpan-z, No, you'll never make a monkey out of me." - Troy McClure
Based. Monkeys fuckin suck
Every debate should require filters. This was too good
I had to contain myself so hard while watching this. No idea how Kai can be so chipper during this debate
That's the kind of power you obtain when you don't use porn
He's Mormon. His whole life is a delusion
Well he's Mormon, that's how they are.
Because he sleeps peacefully knowing 100% that he's God's BFF and the kingdom of eternal glory awaits him after this life.
@@DemothHymside based
People are ragging on Lav but at around the 28:00 - 31:00 mark Kais argument really falls apart. They both agree that porn is bad but Lav says she doesn’t want to legislate against it. Kai says he agrees with not forcing people to do things but instead to “make it easier for them to make good decisions” by removing porn from the equation. Lav correctly points out that his position is in fact then to control by removing the option for people to make the choice for themselves.
@miserycord0666
And we removing the option to segregate in society or employ based on superficial attributes was taking away freedom too.
I don’t think it’s simple, and Kai does have reasons for his position that, while they reduce hedonistic happiness, do leave room for more eudaemonic happiness (meaningfulness). :)
@@craigpayne4405
Well put Craig!
What do you do as a profession? :)
Holy shit the open relationship checkmate at 1:05:00 was brutal.
"I'm very satisfied with my fiance and our sex it means something"
"Do you have an open relationship.?"
Omg that had me dying
So if you're in an open relationship that automatically means you're not satisfied/the sex doesn't mean something?
Those are separate things
@@syl59281 If sex is intimate and meaningful and you're satisfied with your partner, why would you have an open relationship? Wouldn't it be the case that either sex is a big deal, but you need more than what your partner can satisfy or sex isn't a big deal so having it with other people isn't something t be concerned over?
@@syl59281 That's EXACTLY what it means, the issues are not seperate, but intrinsically linked.
How is that remotely a contradiction? Are “my wife is an amazing cook” and “I love going out to eat at nice restaurants” contradicting statements to you?
@@mrbleachey Because your analogy doesn't draw the same implications. Stating you're satisfied with you partners sex implies that you're fulfilled by this thing. Making this claim and taking actions indicating you haven't been fulfilled, such as idk, engaging in sex with another person, is in fact a contradiction.
Your example would be akin to her stating "I like my fiance's sex, and I like it with other people too." Do you see the difference yet?
kai’s filter is freaking me the fuck out i didn’t know they could look so real.
Yeah. Not the best filter for those conversation. Would have left.
That's what millions of people training AI everyday can do. A year ago it would have looked like trash.
Kai emulates Nick’s mannerisms so well lmao
Holy shit you’re right
It’s just the incel laugh
@@MiguelAJzplaylist 1950’s Incel
They also speak the same idk what accent that is
They all do it. It’s why none of them gain any relevance. You need to stand out, not imitate the original
I find platforming Lav to be worse than platforming Nick Fuentes.
Back to the kitchen she goes
@@Improvementcrusader23 cringe
I find using the term "platforming" worse than both
Cry about it
@@Improvementcrusader23 What is going on in yt chat? Where is this new influx of anti-sjw types 6 years late to the party coming from? Sneako? Kai? Twitch drama frogs? I'm so curious.
2:54 Lav: (on flirting w/destiny)"This is what happens when people are attracted to each other"
Destiny: "Not True"
😂🤣💀
Destiny has said recently that he would probably sleep with Lav
@@timetotalktitanic7381 If he did it doesn't make the burn & the look on Knees face afterwards any less hilarious 😂
@@timetotalktitanic7381 oh where??
@@yodiyodi6898 Knees, if you don't know who Knees is think for a few seconds and look at the video. It's not hard to figure out.
@@timetotalktitanic7381 💀💀💀
Lav asking for a study on whether legalising murder would be bad 😆😆
I don't know if Lav lost the debate, or if she's incapable of debating point blank.
"Are you in an open relationship?" And
"What hobbies do you have?" Absolutely rekt her. Lav is the worst.
I'm not religious at all, but I agree porn should be banned and forcibly withheld from public availability. Terrible for the species.
L take
You can’t ban porn, you can only drive it underground. It should be legal but highly regulated.
@@synchronium24 coomer cope
Yes so yet another thing is only available to the elites. How nice.
Surely nobody thinks the amount of, ease to access and subject matter of porn today is a good thing? Surely?
I like this kids charisma 🤣🤣🤣
I agree with Kai and I still cringed ao hard the Lav allowed herself to get pigeon holed into the 11 year old argument, she just handed him the absolute ideal framing and let him run with it
This debate reminds me that not everyone that owns a mic has an opinion worth hearing.
No u *eats your argument*
@@pizzatime8917 pizza time
34:10
What data do you have to support the idea that people will murder more if its legal to murder?
Are we really doing this while laughing at him asking if masturbation is actually healthy for you?..
She hasnt provided any data to support any of her assertions, but demands that he provide data for everything he says..
welcome to judaism
@@cwilliams6884 LETS GOOOO
Kai actually looks more mature with this new look. Hopefully he doesn’t pretend to understand biology, evolution or primatology in this discussion.
@Eeheben he mistyped 😭
@Eeheben does he have a channel? Idk
@Eeheben he's on cozy
Does he actually believe anything he says? Or does he have sexual hang ups? It’s just dirty videos. Who cares? I’m a hedonistic MF and I’m perfectly fine. (I think)
@Eeheben KaiClips
This is like the ultimate battle of smugness vs arrogance.
I didn't know Lav debated herself in this video
Who’s who?
Does his camera have a filter on? Am I losing my mind wtf am I looking at
I just skipped ahead it’s a filter, wtf this timeline is so cursed
Yeah, it was really uncanny
Guessing it's a chat dono thing right?
Live-tracking filters are getting really creepy.
Probably right now you could get deep-faked into some security camera footage so well that you'd go to jail for forever.
It was made clear within the first few sentences of the stream. How about listen?
Damn that Morman virgin dude was wild haha, seems like he is pretty blocked up….
probably would fk the crack of dawn at this point.
It’s what happens when you’re afraid of sex but really want it so claim incel and cope by leaning into the fear structure built for you.
I was there shortly about a decade ago, but got married very young and thankfully avoided that stage of my young Mormon life.
10:57 Even when it's demonstrated to her how generic her point about taking things one piece at a time is, she takes that as an opportunity to act smug and condescending. The overconfidence is almost baffling
Thank god for Destiny. The first part of the stream hurt my head.
Lav got absolutely destroyed in this debate, holy shit.
She should probably not debate
@@Gumbymayne True. But I also think that her position is a pretty hard one to defend.
@@darkaquatus sure. But she shouldn't debate. Convos exploring ideas? Sure. But she is not rhetorically competent enough imo to DEFEND many positions at all.
@@indicted_ham_sandwich bingo, one of the recent convos with Tiny, she says something to the effect that she keeps changing her positions the more she talks to people and thinks about things. She is so far from grounded. Convos are better for growth, not defending a moving platform.
True, but to be fair, this kid is also just saying nonsensical BS and prescribing his complete lack of knowledge and experience to things. When someone just makes up shit, it's kind of meaningless to argue with them.
jesus lav is slippery. every time she's backed into a corner it's straight to the ad homs. "oh yeah well you're a mormon". good one
always enjoy when someone makes destiny laugh
How does Lav lose with the easiest position to defend? She was literally lost half of the conversation.
Kai is the best
The problem with Lavs “I’m happy rn” is the fundamental problem of causal inference. You can only observe one outcome of an event. We can’t actually know (this is why we use studies and part of why anecdotes don’t work) whether Lav herself would be happier if she lived the Kai lifestyle. Correct me if I’m wrong.
That's difficult to prove. People who have Lav's lifestyle would have circumstances outside Kai's that would probably be a better metric than how much they have or view sex. You would need to show that the strongest variable in someone's happiness is that variable. Isolated and not attributable with other factors like religious beliefs or education. Likely, casual sex is not the variable itself, but instead something bigger having that view as a symptom. I don't think we should essentialize on this.
@@DMLoosey it’s difficult to prove but impossible to know. I guess what I’m saying is that this is the only Lav timeline that we have seen, and another timeline made of different (Kai-like) decisions may have led her to a more fulfilling life. We can only ever know the outcome we observe.
@@kandymann8677 I think we can know through experiment. Remove variables in question such as engagement of porn and sex with others who aren't her partner, as well as abstaining from substance use, and with time she can make that judgement herself. These are the principle behaviors that are at odds with one another's lifestyles in the context of current engagements undertaken that may or may not make one less happy. We don't need the addition of other variables to determine if removing those in debate will make one happier. It is a matter of deduction, not addition that is in question.
@@titanmongoloid8164 yeah we can. Experimentation is how we get around this problem.
Lmao im an athiest and im not completely obsessed with sex or porn, nobody needs porn, its really just something that everyones tricked themselves into thinking is normal, but its really not that healthy XD
Neither is drinking alcohol. I don’t want to ban either though.
@@chriskootstra7355
But you do ban alcohol in certain circumstances.. and require ID and age restriction, plus liquor licenses, etc..
also, weed is still illegal..
@@falseprophet1024 weed shouldn’t be illegal.
@@chriskootstra7355
Agreed.
But it is. So until weed is legal, and most other drugs, the argument of "we cant make porn illegal because its like alcohol" seems flawed.. its also like weed, which we apparently can criminalize..
@@falseprophet1024 Weed is legal in many states despite being federally criminalized. And porn requires you to be 18 in the same type of way alcohol requires you to be 21. It is practically unenforced but that is a different argument entirely.
The fact that she relies on being flirty to either avoid the debate or be held accountable proves his point that she is behaving like a succubus and is therefore deserving of being called a succubus in this video alone not even including her prior work on only fans.
I read that first as a virgin mom. Makes way more sense now.
It’s healthy to masturbate yes. It isn’t normal or healthy to watch people have sex though. More often than not it warps an individuals veiws on what sex is
It's healthy to daydream. It's not healthy or normal to watch TV. More often than not it warps an individual's views on what reality is.
Its kinda ironic that Destiny says its difficult for Lav to tell if someone is genuine or trying to f*ck by sucking up to her, bc I could argue that his flirty banter is more effective and has the same effect.
Destiny is truly convinced that all these girls like him for him rather than for his fame
@@perzonne6302
Naw, id bet that he knows they dont. He is just trying to keep pace with his wife's growing bodycount..
the intro tripped me out so much. hearing his voice and the video before knowing it was a filter was insane.
Giving off real Mormon energy
why does he have a deeper Fuentes voice
Inc3ls
Yeah is that a weird virgin racist voice or something?
He hits the gym
He rested his case, and her to the grave, holy shit
And then she declared victory, when realistically they both lost the debate, which i didn't actually realize was possible..
Starting the video and hearing Kai talk was a relief
He's not just anti porn, he's anti flirting? Wtf lol
We used to have age verifications on websites. They were useless, and the places they still exist they are still useless.
Steam has age verification. They don't even bother to check if it's the birthday you made the account with. I'm old enough to buy any legal video game, but I never provide my actual birthday, I always set the year and click confirm.
There is no way to 'restrict' porn in any effective way.
Careful what you ask for. There are currently plans to require actual ID verification in Europe.
@@iz2333 they didn't ask for anything. they said what is being proposed doesn't work.
@@andylawlzz Yeah I should have said "don't dare them" but I was lacking the phrase.
Ban contracts that have to do with sex trade? Every porn company is now ruined.
@@yungbeef8444 no, porn just becomes an underground, black market thing populated solely by sex trafficked girls. Congratulations, you will now build an industry where something that has probably existed since a caveman first drew boobahs and dingalings on a cave wall is run by the fucking Russian Mob and/or The Cartels, when previously it could be regulated with health inspectors, OSHA laws, etc.
If you are concerned about sex workers, or children having access, the answer is regulation and effective enforcement, not banning outright.
This back and forth was so painful to listen to and watch. I seriously don’t think I’ve ever seen a person as dense and lost as that girl. Wow what a handful she is.
Man Kai has 10 years on lav maturity wise, the classic “if someone is religious just mock them for it the whole time” yeah I love that 13 year old 2014 strat
"well if murder was legal we dont know it would happen more " cmon bruuuh imagine taking this girl seriously at all
There are definitely people I would have killed if I didn't have to suffer the consequences. Any time I have the thought, I think "Well yeah, but I don't want to be caged for the next 20 years". And So I don't do it.
@@unyieldingmonotony4453 oh for sure ive actually thought about how we should make it legal in certain circumstances. Driving especially one lane roads one retard going 25 below the limit holding up all the traffic. It should be legal to roll up next to him and kill him at your own discretion. Traffic and car accidents would clear up real fast if there were real consequences.
Destiny is all hyped about saying sex before marriage is based but do you really want advice from someone without commitment and a broken family?
I come from a broken home too and i feel horrible for saying that but thats why this is serious!
Think for yoursleves, dont be sheep to your own desires acquired through insidious ideas. You deserve better! So strive for it
So true. Destiny has no idea what commitment to a partner actually is.
I'm 46 and was super sexual until I was 35. I got married at 42 and deeply regret my promiscuity. All I have for it are cringe memories and some girls I hurt. That's the reality of 20 years of sleeping around.
Cool story Yusuf
Sounds more like you regret acting like garbage rather than the promiscuity itself.
If you were honest with your intentions with those women you might feel less guilt now.
I was pretty similar however if I was 42 and still thinking about my 20s then you have some problems that have nothing to do with getting laid in your 20s. People in their 20s fuck around and get hurt. The fact that you use the term cringe like the 20 year olds today and write original comments on RUclips means that you have a heck of a lot of problems. Mid life crisis or something.
@@huncho7926 that wouldn’t change his overall point
9:43 when you google stats so you don’t have to address what the other person said
We live in a society that constantly says don’t force things on people but that’s what they constantly do.
Debating a guy who lives his life on a religion made up by a con artist.
I think the general point she was trying to get across was pretty clear. I think the thing that confused people is that she hasn't yet figured out any solid positions.
Yeah she's like that on every topic which is why she should figure out some axiomatic positions or stop debating. She comes off as being much more dumb than she actually is everytime. I remember there was even a debate she had with destiny or talk where he tried to pull her into like examining foundational principles and she just like didn't even come close to getting her head around it.
@@TheWentzMachine Yeah that makes sense to me. It feels like she is actually quite clever and seems to be well read but currently lacks a certain kind of introspection necessary to ground her beliefs.
Lav talked for hours and really said nothing. Just flip flopped and didn't listen to what anyone was saying.
I’m glad the constitution reads, freedom of speech is subjected to the Miller test, based on each State’s interpretation.
And a state is the people that live in it. The pornography usage numbers across every single state pretty plainly dictates that the people of all states overwhelming accept Pornography.
Even if they deny it in more shameful situations.
@@palestalemale8831 I get you, but use and acceptance are not the same, and should not be conflated.
@@christisking2226 Yeah use goes a lot further than just acceptance so it's fine to conflate them given the context.
@@christisking2226 yea actual usage is so much more indicative of acceptance.
The fact that they are ashamed of themselves doesn't make them using it illegitimate. Its not our fault they are sad, broken ppl.
Well consider that the Federal constitution never applied to the States until aftet Lincolns illegal war.
It's funny that people find shitting on Lav more valid than Kais nonsense.
ikr
Jojo shirt means win by default haha, however the part where she says shes never been happier but also no one person can satiate her is wild and sad
Is he even allowed to like JoJo? It's pretty homoerotic.
Lived amongst mormons my whole life. I agree all forms of porn could be considered bad. I was a virgin well into my adult life. I still find myself absolutely despising this guy entirely. Weird
Nathan got swole and even more based
Good job everyone. This was entertaining and informative.
Turns out Kai was spot on when he told her to get of the internet
yet hes on the internet trying to tell people how to live
May be he should practice what he preaches lol
That filter was tripping me the fuck out at the beginning 😂
This was very symbolic of what’s going on in America at the moment. The loudest people most undeserved arrogant people think they can make laws about something they have never experienced and have so many wrong opinions it’s overwhelming and eventually you just leave them alone
There's no such thing as a wrong opinion only an uninformed and informed one.
@@yummdiddy yup, and Kai has a deeply uninformed and naive opinion that he had canned for him by others in his life. He looked good because he had a bad opponent, but a lot of morons in this fanbase are cumming over him because he can properly be a condescending debate bro. If Destiny debated him you would realize very fast how naive and sheltered the kid is.
this was very entertaining
Lav has the brain of like an 11 year old: forgetful in a conversation, unfocused on her own points, and passive aggressive.
11 year olds are too simple to be passive aggressive.
Best part of this is the new phrase I got from this: Baggage of Sin. I will use this often.
"How's it going?"
"Not bad, but I think I pulled something carrying around my baggage of sin."
Surely prohibition will solve everything, it always works
Ikr like we should ban murder and then it would stop....oh wait...
Pretty sure the prohibition of the 20s that im guessing you are referencing actually did cause lower alcohol intake ,even though it was rarely enforced on a local level.
the black market will thrive. i think that's the goal of these puritans.
Works in saudi arabia fairly well.
@@anonymousnoticer a model society, indeed.
"Nothing fuckn works better than prohibition."
- Al Capone
This debate is strange.
38:50
Man, it sure is a good thing that it's physically impossible for someone to conceal carry without a permit.
Lav might be bad at arguing or not clear on her positions, but I feel like a lot of us in the audience would do just as bad when pressed on some of our points, especially in a public environment
She's not bad at arguing. Its that all her points are dumb and flawed.
No freedom of speech I guess
wow. i think so many bad things about lav, but i didn't realize that her traumatic past was the mormon church. derp
Imma change my life. From now on, no more porn.
I don't believe you are going to commit to that, pal. Youis probably already back on that meat-beating grind
Good luck with that
It takes a long time but is possible. Whenever you have the urge, knock out some pull ups
37:00 I'm pretty sure prohibition had a massive effect on the reduction of alcohol consumption...
Isn’t it common sense that if a woman is having a lot of sex with a lot of different partners that the sex she is now having with you means less??
I mean if every dude on the block has been with her, isn’t it less meaningful that she is having sex with you?
Why is that so illogical to destiny?
Hes in an open relationship so conceding that argument would crumble his own relationship, which ironically just proves that the argument is valid
@@animeruinedmylife9833 , so if he agreed with something he doesn't agree with, that then proves the point valid? Have you really thought this through?
If you view sex as a commodity that loses value the more it is experienced, sure. I made one of my best friends at the age of 25. I had a LOT of friends come and go prior to that... but I don't think he views our friendship as devalued because I experienced friendship with other people in the past.
@@DemothHymside Sex is an intimate act, even by nature its purpose is to procreate. When ur physically intimate with everyone, then yes ur physical intimacy begins to become less intimate due to the open availability of it. It's not a commodity but it's not friendship. It's more like if ur friend and u shared a special inside joke, but then he started letting everyone in on it. The joke becomes less funny and meaningless.
@@animeruinedmylife9833 , what if the inside joke was so good you wanted your friend to share it with the world?
The problem is you're looking at how you value something, and seem incapable of understanding why it might not be an objective stance.
1000% no shot Lav is religiously Jewish.
Is it just me or does this dude just act like he’s so much better than her?
He is better than her. She’s unbearable
Is he not?
@@doctorisjoe To look at someone as better or worse than someone sounds like a shaky ego problem. Just because you don’t like someone with how they think or talk doesn’t mean they’re worse than someone.
@@trevorjones1813 dude deciding if people are better than you is something 99.9% of humans do. Psychoanalysing an ego issue seems like a reach
@@gabecoomes7841 I think it’s very fair to say that people are genetically predisposed to have things like higher intelligence or are more naturally inclined for athletics. Is that what you mean by better, or do you feel his morale stance on porn is better than hers?