Can’t they just make these new but six years old, out of factory warranty, out of certified pre-owned warranty and 90k miles, depreciated to 20% it’s original value with at least one known Achilles heel? They’ll sell a million of them!
@@paladin3116 I'm an e61 owner with the n54. They only sold 4k of these in the 3 years they were on sale here (08-10) so I can imagine the numbers have only gotten worse. Tbf that's when there were 3 and 5 series wagons around at the same time
Haven't seen a video under 10 minutes from you guys in a long time. Work load and effort aside, your reviews are the only ones i put in tv and actually sit down to watch. We learn a lot from your videos. Regardless what you guys post and how long the videos are, we'll be here
“It’s a wagon, not a crossover, therefore I will not buy it” -majority of Americans who would also rather a Tahoe or expedition over a minivan that’s far more practical, efficient, cheaper and drives better. I wish we could get more wagons that are accessible to the normal people. I 100% would be on board for a wagon over my crossover but the only options are high dollar, high maintenance machines.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 yes. Overall, I do like it. But it’s a little out of my price range. In a perfect world, I’d love a Mazda 6 wagon with the 2.5T and awd or even the levorg. I do like Volvo though, their twin charged motors I heard are a little hit or miss. Dealer availability in my area is spotty at best
@@wigletron2846 that’s kinda what I’ve heard. That and their infotainment is pretty wonky. But their interiors are super high quality, which is my cup of tea
@@Suction_ You don't have get the turbo and super-charged T6 engine. The T5 is only turbo-charged, which should reduce complexity, but it does come with less power... so that's a tradeoff. And if you are looking at V60, it only comes with T5 in the US anyway.
That's how it evolves...ending up with a hearse! Just kidding! For real gentlemen the progression goes something like: - Sports car for the single guy - Station wagon for when the family arrives (if wealthy enough that's only as the second car...with the other being a Grand Tourer sports car), then - Sedan when the kids are old enough to not absolutely need a station wagon (this is really the point at which you know if you're a gentleman with class or not...in which case you stick with the station wagon)
Here in Finland we have lots of these lifted wagons: Volvo V60 and V90 Cross Country (and previously the XC70 which are everywhere), Audi A4 and A6 Allroad, the same Mercedes you have here, but then also Volkswagen Golf Alltrack, Skoda Octavia Scout, etc etc. Very good for Northern Finnish life 👍🏻 Thanks for the video geeses 👍🏻
I was within days of buying one of these, had my whole spec all figured out, found the one I wanted 8 states away, was ready to do it...but ended up saving $50k buying a 2017 e300 sedan with evvvvvvery option and 12k miles...there isn't a day that goes buy that I don't feel like a genius for saving so much money on something that checks so many of the same boxes. The seats are frickin AWESOME. Every time I get out of the car I'm MORE relaxed than I was getting in, and that's the best thing I can say about it...it's my favorite place to sit.
Hope your service department has similar seats while you wait, yet again, for your car to be fixed. Mercedes used to be the gold standard. Now they are garbage.
Hahahha! I checked the forums when it came time to decide on an extended warranty…the issue has been beat into the ground, and mathematically speaking this model/year the out of pocket repairs cost is a better value bet than the cost of extending the warranty…so I take that as a sign of good longterm reliability.
Totally agree with you there, the wagon is preferable, but it’s not a no-cost preference...as far as I could tell the same year make and model wagons were nearly 20k more expensive…
@@markm0000 Kids have to learn how to climb the ladder of American Meritocracy(tm) from a young age, Mark. That is, if they're ever going to reach middle management in a regional chicken finger franchise, where they'll get a holiday bonus just big enough to put themselves in line for a 6.9% APR 30-year loan for an off-lease certified pre-abused BMW 420i.
Did you vote against politicians who imposed gas consumption tax on "cars" but not "trucks"? Thought so. You are the reason why SUV's have been flourishing!
My B6 1.9 TDi avant manual has 225K miles and is still on the original clutch, no work on the engine apart from regular water pump and cambelt replacements.
I recently purchased a 2017 E400 Wagon a couple of months back and am in love with it so far. It is fully loaded with all options and a maybach designo interior. Massage seats, autopilot steering and many more options. I own a tuning company so we tuned it the day we bought it and it now makes around 400+hp and close to 500ft-lbs. The motor in the 2017's is the same as the C43. The car is no slouch, it takes most cars off the line as it is awd and I believe it to feel sportier with the tune when you want it to but as comfortable as anything I have ever been in when you want it to. The 2017 does not have the touch screen but instead has the scroll knob which I think is better than the gimmicks and lag the touch screen brings with it. I installed a android box that overrides carplay so on the many road trips I have taken it so far I can watch Netflix or RUclips on my long trips. It's an amazing driving experience and when you have 6 of your buddies in the car it brings the best of times. The people in the third trunk row would wave at other drivers who would be basically staring right at them when driving behind us haha. All in all I bought the car for $55k and it had an MSRP just shy of $100k.
@@thabrownieviking I got it with almost 60k. It has been super reliable, put almost 15k miles on it with no issues. The M276 engine is very reliable with not many major issues.
Same. I picked up an '18 a year ago and i've put about 20k miles on it so far. It's even helped us move! Actually interested in the tune you did. Do you see a hit on mileage?
@@floodtheinbox I get 30mpg on the highway during road trips. Eco mode and full autopilot the whole trip. In the city it just depends on how I decide to drive but it doesn’t seem affected. When you go full throttle even on the stock tune the mpg goes down significantly.
Have a 2017 as well. Bought new had to replace the dashboard twice and now with 54000 on it the front control arms need replacing "supposedly" according to dealer. Out of warranty so I moaned to MB and they agreed to cover the parts labor is on me. Trying to decide if I should dump it. My wife loves the car...but no warranty? ouch
I own a 2020 E450 wagon and its by far the nicest and most practical I've ever owned. It almost has the space of a mid-sized SUV but WAY more fun to drive with a smooth and reliable twin turbo V6 engine. Last Sep did a long distance trip from Austin TX to Toronto Canada in two days (1700 miles) and it was perfect car for that long trip. I was getting 510 miles to a tank and the seats are all day comfortable. The engine can be a tame luxury car or switch it to 'SPORT' mode and it becomes a fire breathing beast. Mine is well equipped at $74510 but bought it at year end and got it for $65760 so felt I got an awesome deal. I will never sell mine :) FYI, the infotainment system in this 2022 AllTerrain is NOT last generation, it has MBUX (new for 2021) which is the new gen of infotainment. My 2020 E450 wagon has the previous generation. Check your facts.
It’s not the new infotainment that’s all touch like in the new C, S and electric piles. It has the old landscape screen that’s better but they still ditched the rotary knob like the retards they are
I agree 100%. Bought ours in April of 2020 when Covid hit and got it for 60k flat, with free overnight! delivery from 500 miles away. It's always good to buy when no one else is.
Subaru, take note of the cladding on this Mercedes wagon: This is how you do it tastefully, not like the Rorschach-Ink-Blot-inspired approach that's on the new WRX. Live and learn.
"Just get a nice CUV, front wheel drive, less space than a regular car, that's all you need." Thank you Mark for being the first auto guy with an audience to "Emperor's New Clothes" the SUV/CUV trend.
@@12ealDealOfficial i would love to know what percent of so-called SUVs spend more than 1-2 days per year off road. In metropolitan US, where 83% of the US population lives, it is very small.
@@vovcha01 I think women are the ones wanting the plastic cladding and something off-roady on paper because, as Mr. Regular said, "Female deer have antlers too." It's all for appearances and young women on their own want to feel safe.
“The only direct competitor is the A6 Allroad.” Volvo V90 Cross Country: Am I a joke to you? Also to note, some of Mercedes-Benz’s high net worth customers buy E-Class wagons.
I bought a used VW Golf Sportwagen AWD/Manual for $16k with 4 years and 70k left on the warranty. This was just after the pandemic started and before used prices skyrocketed. It’s the perfect car for me. It only weight 3,100 lbs has great balance and suspension, the engine revs nicely to 7,000 rpm without drawing too much attention or feeling rattled. It’s got just the right amount of space for a family of four on weekend/camping trips. It’s not going to blow anyone away at anything, yet it’s truly good at everything. Wagons are the perfect vehicle if you only want one vehicle. Even if I could afford almost any other car I don’t think there’s anything being made now I’d rather have.
I have one of these 2022 “last standers” in white……..the car’s just a superb all-rounder ! Astounding mileage in this bad boy…….34-35mpg on the highway, as long as you stay within around 75mph.
I feel like there was a negative vibe against the vehicle in the video. Which is sad because it really is great and in my opinion the best wagon for sale right now. See it as a luxury wagon don’t compare it work some family SUV or crossover.
Problem is, as much as I love wagons, is that the manufacturers that make them tend to be way more expensive. You pretty much have just the Outback...and then the rest is above $70k MSRP.
We bought a three year old used E350 with 50k miles on it in 2017 for the same price as a new top of the line Outback. That price even included a total of a 3 year bumper to bumper warranty from MB. But in the next 100k miles the only thing that broke was a wheel bearing ($250 to repair). We loved it so much we got another a 2019 E450 pre Allroad. Makes my old 240 station wagons look like actual wagons.
We just bought the 2023 E450 S wagon. Amazing vehicle. the E63 AMG wagon is also available as a 2023 and 24 model. This video was very helpful in our decision making.
Love wagons. They will make a comeback when we stop calling everything an SUV and stop putting the word "sporty" and "cuv" together to explain terrible fuel economy. Sporty cuv does not exist.
I saw this review last week I’ve owned a 2014 and a 2020 merc wagon I liked the review and bought a new 2022 on Thursday Took it out and put 1000 miles on it this weekend The review is correct that it’s expensive mine was north of 80000 I think most of the pertinent points where covered This is the best merc wagon I’ve owned DO NOT BUY THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE THE OPTIONAL THICK GLASS! It drives like my last series S and is dead quite at 90 I averaged about 28 miles to the gallon over 600 miles at 78 mph Don’t understand the EQ stuff yet cause I haven’t had time to read the manual Overall it’s a big 👍🏻
Your not seeing why people treasure higher ride height shouldn’t make their preference stupid. Some just hate low ride height no matter how good the car 🤷🏽♂️.
@@baddriversofcolga no, most people who test drive an SUV realize that driving a low car sucks. I've had literally 10 low cars including many sports cars (twin turbo convertible BMW as one) and f that I want my full size SUV 9 put of 1 time ls to take a drive in.
I think this was short and sweet, the right amount of info and inputs for someome to come out with their mind made up on what to choose from. It really is sad BMW isn't bringing any of the 5 series wagons to the US anymore. My E61 is 14 years old and I would really like to be able to replace it eventually. The 328d wagon is as close as I can get right now.
I have a Gotland Green A4 allroad. Love the thing, smaller and lighter than the A6 and the E450 here. The 2018 I have also has a much preferable center console area with all physical controls and everything nice and tactile.
@@jmakhlouf422 Mine is CPO until 2024 so I’m gonna ride that out before I mod it, if I ever do. If Audi decides to go back to tactile controls in the A6 I’d probably go for that. Would be nice to have more space.
I have the 220 d 2019 all terrain and i'm in love with it, couldn't pull off buying the inline 6 engine but in the future that will be my next car for sure.. i think that its the most beautiful car in the world, really like the streamlined design yacht feeling that this wagon has, the audi is much to "interrupted" in their design choices, and im talking about their new design on their cars
I remember sitting in the rear facing back seat of the family wagon and making faces etc. at the following cars. I was in my 20s at the time so it might not have been as cute as I thought...
Another great to the point review. Super niche vehicle. I’d much prefer the regular E class wagon. I wouldn’t need the AMG and I wouldn’t need this one. However in Canada you can buy the CClass wagon C43AMG wagon. Which is GREAT!!!
Just a small thing that bothers me: This is not the regular E class wagon. It‘s the all terrain offroad version of the E class wagon, which looks much worse than the regular one. And in Germany we also get a C class wagon and CLA shootinbrake, which pretty much is also a wagon. So it‘s not the last one. Just in the USA
they glossed over it, but north america doesn't get the plain jane wagons anymore. just the all terrain. I just realised on the canadian website, the C300/C43 wagons are 2021 MY, so i guess those are gone. and the US market stopped selling the C class wagons a few years back. the only non-lifted wagon available in Canada, new, is the V60. everything else not an RS6 Avant, is lifted, and the RS6 isn't fair lol
Watch the video again. They literally said all-terrain in the first 10 seconds of the video, mentioned it's a lifted E-class wagon and the last Mercedes wagon in the US, and made fun of those ugly black cladding every manufacturer puts on their cars to look tougher and more off-road capable. We all know Europe gets a million different wagons. Most enthusiasts in NA are jealous, but the sad truth is nobody buys wagons here. You can't even buy a non cross-country Volvo V60 or V90 without special ordering one because consumers all want SUVs. This is a well known trend in NA.
@@neoleo593 k fine. There's sport turismo trims of the Panamera and taycan. But even moreso than the RS6 Avant.... At some point, you gotta invoke the "yeah, but come oooooooon" rule. There's wagons, then there's vaguely wagon shaped performance cars. And the rich folks that buy Panameras, might be crazy enough to beat on em like a lesser pleb might beat on their Golf SportWagen... But c'moooooon. One of those things is not like the other.
I wish there was more wagon options... I'm not a fan of CVTs so passed on the Outback, and I found the 1.8T in the Golf Alltrack to be under powered (why can't they give it the GTI or R engine?), I ended up with a CX-5 Turbo instead but totally would consider wagons.
I hate that they all take premium... like, Volvo already uses aisin transmissions, how much would it cost them to borrow the skyactive turbo out of a cx-30, to stuff into the V90, instead of whatever twin-charged mild hybrid voodoo they currently use, which still doesn't do any better on fuel economy or power...
I currently live in Belgium. Moved here from S. Florida 2 years ago for work. My wife owns a Mazda CX5 that we shipped over from the US.....still owed a bunch on it. I sold my Nissan Frontier. After a year of living here during the pandemic, I got a deal on a 2012 Peugeot 508 SW which is similar in size to this to this. That isn't what's important. Though what I'm saying is pretty boring info, but basically 75L/19gal tank and diesel, the reason why these things are still selling is that the range is 1500km which is 932mi to tank! It's silky smooth on the highway and just purrs along with 3.2-4.6L per 100 (EU way of calculating fuel efficiency) with a 6sp manual. Sure most of that is the diesel....but it just slips through the wind with a lot less fuss than a SUV/CUV...and so much room inside despite being narrower for the EU market and EU roads.
Any chance of reviewing a Audi A4 Allroad? I read in Car & Driver the rear seat space in equal to that of this E class wagon. Very few reviews on it, but its still a wagon for sale in the US so interested to see your opinion.
It’s going to Depreciate a lot. Maybe 10 years ago it would a hit. Selling pretty good but now everyone wants a suv. The interior space was impressive.
I wish Cadillac and BMW would come back with wagon's. A CT5 Blackwing wagon would be amazing with a manual transmission, plus if we had access to the M3 manual wagon from the EU, that would be super cool too.
Having a 350d AT since 2018, no issues whatsoever (70k.km/yr). It's silent, it's an E-class, it had a good turining circle, it's no compromise. Been up in the mountains and through many inconvenient terrain... I'm sticking with mine until I hit the 1 million kms mark. SUV was never an option.
Great review. I can't help but notice the winter tires, again. -Have you guys reviewed a car this winter that didn't have Sottozero 3 tires on them? The people supplying you with these cars must love that tire! I know I love mine.
I refuse to buy an SUV, but I also refuse to buy a plastic clad, lifted wagon. I got a new 2019 E450 the moment MB showed the future Allroad. It's fantastic. A few quirks? Yep. The front doors don't hold open on the tiniest grade, the infotainment could be better, and I wish it didn't have runflats. But as a total package? It's better than I ever thought a car would be. Smooth, fast, comfortable, attractive, safe, and a pleasure ever time I get into it (except when the front door closes early and hits my leg...) Oh, and it carries 6 big dogs(100#+) with ease, and the low load height means that even old dogs, injured dogs, or tiny dogs can get in to it.
These e-class wagons are so popular in scandinavia and germany. You can pack everything and bring your dog with you and shopping at Ikea is easy. I never understand why the rest of the world is obsessed with sedans. Also you didn't touch on how the interior quality on the cabin is compared to when you compared the E53 which you complained had poor build quality, something my boss also remarked on his E53 and he now after 2 years doesn't want another Mercedes.
My 2014 E350 wagon had the problem with trim fade, but so far my 2019 E450 has only suffered a filler flap that jammed closed and MB replaced for free.
I ordered an A6 Allroad, then discovered the dangerous hybrid motor failures. I bought one of these today, used, and cannot wait to get it. Very hard to find nicely equipped. Lots of vinyl interiors. Mine has it all. I tried ordering one, but that’s not working right now.
Wagons get done wrong in the US. Take Buick: they could have marketed the TourX as “not your father’s wagon”. Instead they did ZERO marketing and then were surprised nobody buys wagons. If marketing works then USE IT!
I'm pretty sure GM does that on purpose. They have a car they want to ax, they just don't market it and then they have an excuse when the sales are low. Look at all the Holden imports, for example.
The looks of Mercedes’ wagons is what contributes to the old-fogie look of wagons … wagons done right are Volvo’s Cross Country, Porsche’s Turismos, and Subaru’s Outback … Audi has some OK wagons …
I had a 2006 WRX wagon until Winter 2019, I miss it, but I don't miss working on it. I wanted to buy a CTS-V wagon "when the used price dropped" but apparently, when GM makes a car I want, the price never drops.
Why is the 2023 WRX the only car not allowed to have plastic fender trim, but the E450 A/T & Allroad is ok to have it even tho a WRX is the only car with actual rally pedigree ?
I feel like I'm part of the reason this is no longer offered as a regular wagon, but only as an "outback" version... Why? Because 3 years ago, even though I wanted an e-class wagon, I couldn't afford one. But I could afford an Outback... Now that I make more money, I was hoping to upgrade to an e class wagon or a V90...and now, both of them are gone :(
you can still Dealer order a V90. Its specially made which is great. And I am sure they would take care of an american ordering (IMO) the best car Volvo takes its pride in. Box wagons are a pasttime there!
If you want a car that is made by a Chinese company. I had two Volvo wagons pre Ford and loved them. But the quality went away, not sure if it has come back or will stay.
8:12 How is the interior space far more frustrating on the E-class than on the Audi A6? The E-class has a much more practical trunk and the A6 has a really unpractical steep angle at its trunk door/cover so that you can't utilize its fully.
Don't care about the car, still watched. SG subscription means I need less lube. Can't wait to see Mark's tricked-out Trax on 22s lighting up the Cheesecake Factory parking lot.
How much more expensive do you think a crossover is maintenance wise vs a wagon? I've always tried to convince family and friends about how it's cheaper to just have a wagon because of MPG (if it isn't something like an RS6) and the cost of tires. Is there any other way they make a saving? I'm a wagon warrior and I will fight to the end to convince people they're the S Tier body type.
That "third row" has to be a saaaaaafty thing. I want to buy a wagon. "Okay, here's a wagon. With saaaaaafty ." That's not a wagon. Doug just reviewed a "wagon". It was differently not a wagon. You'd think that if they were going to be all like "Look look, a wagon!" they offer, you know... a wagon. Manufacturers are bad enough then they have to add government.
I bought a 2012 and 2013 TSX Wagon new. Still have them. Bulletproof. Well equipped and everything works. Each year that goes by, I appreciate them more and more. Watch the recent "TEDWARD" channel video on you tube. His dad owns one and his review is spot on.
@@No_Comment87 I'd argue that Toyota actually did a better Camry wagon with the first gen Venza than Honda did an Accord Wagon with the Crosstour. IMO, Honda just wanted to jump on the SUV "coupe" trend with the Crosstour.
This or an Ariel Atom 4 for baja racing in South America? Also for the occasional drift event, but my 80 year old grandma in-law must also be able to drive it. (She loves straight piped exhausts, so the engine must produce a good note too while drifting to her local poker club.)
Can’t they just make these new but six years old, out of factory warranty, out of certified pre-owned warranty and 90k miles, depreciated to 20% it’s original value with at least one known Achilles heel? They’ll sell a million of them!
Haha I'll take every car in that format please
No they won’t. There’s a reason went there are only a few wagons available in the us and some are going away because no one is buying them
You can get many Company Cars in that form factor over here in Germany.
@@paladin3116 I'm an e61 owner with the n54. They only sold 4k of these in the 3 years they were on sale here (08-10) so I can imagine the numbers have only gotten worse. Tbf that's when there were 3 and 5 series wagons around at the same time
One of the best comments recently.
Less than 10 minutes of the Goose is like having a quickie
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A quakie
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Savage...
Get *_down_* with the Goose...
Haven't seen a video under 10 minutes from you guys in a long time. Work load and effort aside, your reviews are the only ones i put in tv and actually sit down to watch. We learn a lot from your videos. Regardless what you guys post and how long the videos are, we'll be here
The channel is so popular that bots are attracted here
@@wocaomade these bot comments are really annoying
The best reviews on RUclips IMO. At least from an enthusiast enjoyment standpoint.
@@802Garage agreed
“It’s a wagon, not a crossover, therefore I will not buy it” -majority of Americans who would also rather a Tahoe or expedition over a minivan that’s far more practical, efficient, cheaper and drives better.
I wish we could get more wagons that are accessible to the normal people. I 100% would be on board for a wagon over my crossover but the only options are high dollar, high maintenance machines.
Have you looked at the Volvo V60?
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 yes. Overall, I do like it. But it’s a little out of my price range. In a perfect world, I’d love a Mazda 6 wagon with the 2.5T and awd or even the levorg. I do like Volvo though, their twin charged motors I heard are a little hit or miss. Dealer availability in my area is spotty at best
@@Suction_ a buddy of mine had a volvo with a twin charged engine and it was a nightmare. He got rid of it for a couple years old CRV with a K24.
@@wigletron2846 that’s kinda what I’ve heard. That and their infotainment is pretty wonky. But their interiors are super high quality, which is my cup of tea
@@Suction_ You don't have get the turbo and super-charged T6 engine. The T5 is only turbo-charged, which should reduce complexity, but it does come with less power... so that's a tradeoff. And if you are looking at V60, it only comes with T5 in the US anyway.
With time, I have started to appreciate wagons more and more.
That's how it evolves...ending up with a hearse!
Just kidding! For real gentlemen the progression goes something like:
- Sports car for the single guy
- Station wagon for when the family arrives (if wealthy enough that's only as the second car...with the other being a Grand Tourer sports car), then
- Sedan when the kids are old enough to not absolutely need a station wagon (this is really the point at which you know if you're a gentleman with class or not...in which case you stick with the station wagon)
I love how the Chevy Trax is the unofficial, mortal enemy of SG.
I'm sure it's the same for any mechanic at a GM dealership
You ever drive one? It’s completely warranted
Watching this as I sit in a rental Chevy Trax…
@@KT_One you’re experiencing it in its intended market lol
@@KT_One how good/bad is it? I really wish Mark would review one. Seriously.
Here in Finland we have lots of these lifted wagons: Volvo V60 and V90 Cross Country (and previously the XC70 which are everywhere), Audi A4 and A6 Allroad, the same Mercedes you have here, but then also Volkswagen Golf Alltrack, Skoda Octavia Scout, etc etc. Very good for Northern Finnish life 👍🏻 Thanks for the video geeses 👍🏻
Lucky Euros
@@MHammonds18 we have world war 3 not so lucky eh
@@MP-Fin lol
Volvo = 💩
@@MHammonds18they have a rape crisis due to all the illegal migrants they took in.. yay. But i guess they have a better car variety..
I was within days of buying one of these, had my whole spec all figured out, found the one I wanted 8 states away, was ready to do it...but ended up saving $50k buying a 2017 e300 sedan with evvvvvvery option and 12k miles...there isn't a day that goes buy that I don't feel like a genius for saving so much money on something that checks so many of the same boxes. The seats are frickin AWESOME. Every time I get out of the car I'm MORE relaxed than I was getting in, and that's the best thing I can say about it...it's my favorite place to sit.
Hope your service department has similar seats while you wait, yet again, for your car to be fixed. Mercedes used to be the gold standard. Now they are garbage.
Who wants a sedan though? You can take your dog in the station wagon in the boot and carry things with no issue in the luggage
Hahahha! I checked the forums when it came time to decide on an extended warranty…the issue has been beat into the ground, and mathematically speaking this model/year the out of pocket repairs cost is a better value bet than the cost of extending the warranty…so I take that as a sign of good longterm reliability.
Totally agree with you there, the wagon is preferable, but it’s not a no-cost preference...as far as I could tell the same year make and model wagons were nearly 20k more expensive…
@@JS-sy8mo wow really??? that is nuts!! Guess the popularity here in nordics brings the prices down since they're everywhere
Yes, last stand for the wagon, $80,000 dollars, it'll sell like hotcakes. Why doesn't a working class family buy this over a $30k rav4 or CR-V?
well the X3, X5, GLE and Q5, Q7 all sell like hotcakes so....
Well for one it's alot easier to put you kid up into a seat rather than put them down into one.
@@bigcjm It’s easier for kids to get in a wagon than a s-suv.
@@bigcjm Don't forget dogs and their stuff too. Make mine a Volvo V90.
@@markm0000 Kids have to learn how to climb the ladder of American Meritocracy(tm) from a young age, Mark. That is, if they're ever going to reach middle management in a regional chicken finger franchise, where they'll get a holiday bonus just big enough to put themselves in line for a 6.9% APR 30-year loan for an off-lease certified pre-abused BMW 420i.
This vehicle is far more elegant than any SUV, while still providing an off road experience and hauling items. This is the way to go. F SUV's.
Off road = hitting the kerb at a starbucks drive through.
Did you vote against politicians who imposed gas consumption tax on "cars" but not "trucks"? Thought so. You are the reason why SUV's have been flourishing!
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@@jims8828 im voting for those politicians even harder now
My Audi A4 Avant is 19 years old and I am holding onto it with a death grip! I love wagons.
My b7 avant still running at 180k miles lol
As you should. Those were much simpler and more reliable than more recent ones.
My B6 1.9 TDi avant manual has 225K miles and is still on the original clutch, no work on the engine apart from regular water pump and cambelt replacements.
US needs more hatchbacks and estates/ wagons because soon all we'll see on the roads will be 20 cloned versions of the same cuv platform.
As a European, I can comfortably say that 90% of the cars on the road here are either wagons or hatches.
Wagons are just the right way to make "Sporty Practicality" ❤️
I recently purchased a 2017 E400 Wagon a couple of months back and am in love with it so far. It is fully loaded with all options and a maybach designo interior. Massage seats, autopilot steering and many more options. I own a tuning company so we tuned it the day we bought it and it now makes around 400+hp and close to 500ft-lbs. The motor in the 2017's is the same as the C43. The car is no slouch, it takes most cars off the line as it is awd and I believe it to feel sportier with the tune when you want it to but as comfortable as anything I have ever been in when you want it to. The 2017 does not have the touch screen but instead has the scroll knob which I think is better than the gimmicks and lag the touch screen brings with it. I installed a android box that overrides carplay so on the many road trips I have taken it so far I can watch Netflix or RUclips on my long trips. It's an amazing driving experience and when you have 6 of your buddies in the car it brings the best of times. The people in the third trunk row would wave at other drivers who would be basically staring right at them when driving behind us haha. All in all I bought the car for $55k and it had an MSRP just shy of $100k.
How many miles were on it when you got it? How reliable has it been I've been looking at the exact same thing.
@@thabrownieviking I got it with almost 60k. It has been super reliable, put almost 15k miles on it with no issues. The M276 engine is very reliable with not many major issues.
Same. I picked up an '18 a year ago and i've put about 20k miles on it so far. It's even helped us move! Actually interested in the tune you did. Do you see a hit on mileage?
@@floodtheinbox I get 30mpg on the highway during road trips. Eco mode and full autopilot the whole trip. In the city it just depends on how I decide to drive but it doesn’t seem affected. When you go full throttle even on the stock tune the mpg goes down significantly.
Have a 2017 as well. Bought new had to replace the dashboard twice and now with 54000 on it the front control arms need replacing "supposedly" according to dealer.
Out of warranty so I moaned to MB and they agreed to cover the parts labor is on me. Trying to decide if I should dump it. My wife loves the car...but no warranty? ouch
I need that extra ride height for when I jump the curb at wholefoods so I can get my protein bowl in a timely matter before my business meeting.
Let us not forget Volvo V90 Cross Country, which is also a direct competitor for this Merc.
It’s not. The Volvo is so much better that there is no competition 😉
In all seriousness tho, I would like his thoughts on comparing those two!
Its drivetrain isn't as sophisticated as the Merc's
@@JTM610 the Volvo is 10-20k less.
Not only should the V90 CC be considered a competitor, it offers a tow hitch option.
@@bassandtrebleclef then it's even less of a competitor. I still like Volvo's, I feel like they're more of a competitor with Jaguar
I own a 2020 E450 wagon and its by far the nicest and most practical I've ever owned. It almost has the space of a mid-sized SUV but WAY more fun to drive with a smooth and reliable twin turbo V6 engine. Last Sep did a long distance trip from Austin TX to Toronto Canada in two days (1700 miles) and it was perfect car for that long trip. I was getting 510 miles to a tank and the seats are all day comfortable. The engine can be a tame luxury car or switch it to 'SPORT' mode and it becomes a fire breathing beast. Mine is well equipped at $74510 but bought it at year end and got it for $65760 so felt I got an awesome deal. I will never sell mine :)
FYI, the infotainment system in this 2022 AllTerrain is NOT last generation, it has MBUX (new for 2021) which is the new gen of infotainment. My 2020 E450 wagon has the previous generation. Check your facts.
It’s not the new infotainment that’s all touch like in the new C, S and electric piles. It has the old landscape screen that’s better but they still ditched the rotary knob like the retards they are
I agree 100%. Bought ours in April of 2020 when Covid hit and got it for 60k flat, with free overnight! delivery from 500 miles away. It's always good to buy when no one else is.
@@42judge How is yours doing? Mine is still doing well, just doing my annual service and mine only has 16K miles on the clock as I work from home.
Subaru, take note of the cladding on this Mercedes wagon: This is how you do it tastefully, not like the Rorschach-Ink-Blot-inspired approach that's on the new WRX.
Live and learn.
"Just get a nice CUV, front wheel drive, less space than a regular car, that's all you need." Thank you Mark for being the first auto guy with an audience to "Emperor's New Clothes" the SUV/CUV trend.
Americans don't understand how beautiful wagons are.
@Justinian Yi 😂
We do it's just that normies have infiltrated and destroyed our domestic car market.
@@12ealDealOfficial i would love to know what percent of so-called SUVs spend more than 1-2 days per year off road. In metropolitan US, where 83% of the US population lives, it is very small.
@@vovcha01 I think women are the ones wanting the plastic cladding and something off-roady on paper because, as Mr. Regular said, "Female deer have antlers too." It's all for appearances and young women on their own want to feel safe.
“The only direct competitor is the A6 Allroad.”
Volvo V90 Cross Country: Am I a joke to you?
Also to note, some of Mercedes-Benz’s high net worth customers buy E-Class wagons.
Cuz smart ppl buy them
Maybe since it lacks a 6 cylinder Jack isn't including it?
I looked at the V90 but Volvo being owned by a Chinese company scared me off. On my second E class wagon. No regrets.
That's a really sharp trim of the Buick Regal TourX.
I bought a used VW Golf Sportwagen AWD/Manual for $16k with 4 years and 70k left on the warranty. This was just after the pandemic started and before used prices skyrocketed. It’s the perfect car for me. It only weight 3,100 lbs has great balance and suspension, the engine revs nicely to 7,000 rpm without drawing too much attention or feeling rattled. It’s got just the right amount of space for a family of four on weekend/camping trips. It’s not going to blow anyone away at anything, yet it’s truly good at everything. Wagons are the perfect vehicle if you only want one vehicle. Even if I could afford almost any other car I don’t think there’s anything being made now I’d rather have.
I have one of these 2022 “last standers” in white……..the car’s just a superb all-rounder ! Astounding mileage in this bad boy…….34-35mpg on the highway, as long as you stay within around 75mph.
I feel like there was a negative vibe against the vehicle in the video. Which is sad because it really is great and in my opinion the best wagon for sale right now. See it as a luxury wagon don’t compare it work some family SUV or crossover.
8:11 A6 Allroad is 7Speed DUAL CLUTCH. This really proves these guys know what they talk about
Problem is, as much as I love wagons, is that the manufacturers that make them tend to be way more expensive. You pretty much have just the Outback...and then the rest is above $70k MSRP.
We bought a three year old used E350 with 50k miles on it in 2017 for the same price as a new top of the line Outback. That price even included a total of a 3 year bumper to bumper warranty from MB. But in the next 100k miles the only thing that broke was a wheel bearing ($250 to repair). We loved it so much we got another a 2019 E450 pre Allroad. Makes my old 240 station wagons look like actual wagons.
We just bought the 2023 E450 S wagon. Amazing vehicle. the E63 AMG wagon is also available as a 2023 and 24 model. This video was very helpful in our decision making.
Wagons will always be dope ass headturners
I started with E wagons when my kids were in primary school, now on my third, an '18 E 450 wagon, enjoying it with my younger grandkids
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Love wagons. They will make a comeback when we stop calling everything an SUV and stop putting the word "sporty" and "cuv" together to explain terrible fuel economy. Sporty cuv does not exist.
I saw this review last week
I’ve owned a 2014 and a 2020 merc wagon
I liked the review and bought a new 2022 on Thursday
Took it out and put 1000 miles on it this weekend
The review is correct that it’s expensive mine was north of 80000
I think most of the pertinent points where covered
This is the best merc wagon I’ve owned
DO NOT BUY THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE THE OPTIONAL THICK GLASS!
It drives like my last series S and is dead quite at 90
I averaged about 28 miles to the gallon over 600 miles at 78 mph
Don’t understand the EQ stuff yet cause I haven’t had time to read the manual
Overall it’s a big 👍🏻
I love these brief reviews under 10mins👍
This is so much more appealing than Mercedes' crossovers. I don't get why people are so stupid, but they are...
Your not seeing why people treasure higher ride height shouldn’t make their preference stupid. Some just hate low ride height no matter how good the car 🤷🏽♂️.
@@RadBunny2269 No, most people just want to be like everyone else and buy something that's trending.
@@baddriversofcolga Most people are stupid. You're not!
@@baddriversofcolga no, most people who test drive an SUV realize that driving a low car sucks. I've had literally 10 low cars including many sports cars (twin turbo convertible BMW as one) and f that I want my full size SUV 9 put of 1 time ls to take a drive in.
I think this was short and sweet, the right amount of info and inputs for someome to come out with their mind made up on what to choose from.
It really is sad BMW isn't bringing any of the 5 series wagons to the US anymore. My E61 is 14 years old and I would really like to be able to replace it eventually. The 328d wagon is as close as I can get right now.
I don't think they're selling any BMW wagons in the US anymore, including the 3-Series.
I have a Gotland Green A4 allroad. Love the thing, smaller and lighter than the A6 and the E450 here. The 2018 I have also has a much preferable center console area with all physical controls and everything nice and tactile.
Ah, a fellow B9 A4 Allroad enjoyer. Based
Can always go Stage 2 for the ultimate sleeper.
@@jmakhlouf422 Mine is CPO until 2024 so I’m gonna ride that out before I mod it, if I ever do. If Audi decides to go back to tactile controls in the A6 I’d probably go for that. Would be nice to have more space.
@@jmakhlouf422 that's the plan, just a little while longer on my warranty and I'll be juicing
I have the 220 d 2019 all terrain and i'm in love with it, couldn't pull off buying the inline 6 engine but in the future that will be my next car for sure.. i think that its the most beautiful car in the world, really like the streamlined design yacht feeling that this wagon has, the audi is much to "interrupted" in their design choices, and im talking about their new design on their cars
I remember sitting in the rear facing back seat of the family wagon and making faces etc. at the following cars. I was in my 20s at the time so it might not have been as cute as I thought...
Another great to the point review. Super niche vehicle. I’d much prefer the regular E class wagon. I wouldn’t need the AMG and I wouldn’t need this one. However in Canada you can buy the CClass wagon C43AMG wagon. Which is GREAT!!!
In the US the E450 is the regular E class wagon. The only other choice is the E63S AMG. MB hasn't offered the C class wagon here in years.
Just a small thing that bothers me: This is not the regular E class wagon. It‘s the all terrain offroad version of the E class wagon, which looks much worse than the regular one. And in Germany we also get a C class wagon and CLA shootinbrake, which pretty much is also a wagon. So it‘s not the last one. Just in the USA
they glossed over it, but north america doesn't get the plain jane wagons anymore. just the all terrain. I just realised on the canadian website, the C300/C43 wagons are 2021 MY, so i guess those are gone. and the US market stopped selling the C class wagons a few years back.
the only non-lifted wagon available in Canada, new, is the V60. everything else not an RS6 Avant, is lifted, and the RS6 isn't fair lol
Can't believe I had to scroll down this far to see this. This is the SUVfied wagon. The real wagon is that classic e350
@@Cal94 Porsche panamera and taycan offer wagons
Watch the video again. They literally said all-terrain in the first 10 seconds of the video, mentioned it's a lifted E-class wagon and the last Mercedes wagon in the US, and made fun of those ugly black cladding every manufacturer puts on their cars to look tougher and more off-road capable. We all know Europe gets a million different wagons. Most enthusiasts in NA are jealous, but the sad truth is nobody buys wagons here. You can't even buy a non cross-country Volvo V60 or V90 without special ordering one because consumers all want SUVs. This is a well known trend in NA.
@@neoleo593 k fine. There's sport turismo trims of the Panamera and taycan. But even moreso than the RS6 Avant.... At some point, you gotta invoke the "yeah, but come oooooooon" rule. There's wagons, then there's vaguely wagon shaped performance cars. And the rich folks that buy Panameras, might be crazy enough to beat on em like a lesser pleb might beat on their Golf SportWagen... But c'moooooon. One of those things is not like the other.
I wish there was more wagon options... I'm not a fan of CVTs so passed on the Outback, and I found the 1.8T in the Golf Alltrack to be under powered (why can't they give it the GTI or R engine?), I ended up with a CX-5 Turbo instead but totally would consider wagons.
I hate that they all take premium... like, Volvo already uses aisin transmissions, how much would it cost them to borrow the skyactive turbo out of a cx-30, to stuff into the V90, instead of whatever twin-charged mild hybrid voodoo they currently use, which still doesn't do any better on fuel economy or power...
What about a Buick Regal TourX?
I currently live in Belgium. Moved here from S. Florida 2 years ago for work. My wife owns a Mazda CX5 that we shipped over from the US.....still owed a bunch on it. I sold my Nissan Frontier. After a year of living here during the pandemic, I got a deal on a 2012 Peugeot 508 SW which is similar in size to this to this. That isn't what's important. Though what I'm saying is pretty boring info, but basically 75L/19gal tank and diesel, the reason why these things are still selling is that the range is 1500km which is 932mi to tank! It's silky smooth on the highway and just purrs along with 3.2-4.6L per 100 (EU way of calculating fuel efficiency) with a 6sp manual. Sure most of that is the diesel....but it just slips through the wind with a lot less fuss than a SUV/CUV...and so much room inside despite being narrower for the EU market and EU roads.
One benefit of the Allroad is that you can get body-matched fenders if you dont want the plastic look.
Any chance of reviewing a Audi A4 Allroad? I read in Car & Driver the rear seat space in equal to that of this E class wagon. Very few reviews on it, but its still a wagon for sale in the US so interested to see your opinion.
The E450 has 10% more cargo space than the A4, and it's probably the same with interior volume.
My dream car...
Best car reviews on youtube, and I own a Hyundai i20.
It’s going to Depreciate a lot. Maybe 10 years ago it would a hit. Selling pretty good but now everyone wants a suv. The interior space was impressive.
No
My 2020 only 2 years old deprecated 9 thousand
Cost 73 traded it this week for 64
I just got mine yesterday. I live it!
The first generation of the W212 was still the best looking. Everything after looks too plastic.
1:50 i appreciate your music taste
Off The Charts enthusiasm for this vehicle.
Love wagons. Have the 3 series sport wagon. Love it! This is probably my next if BMW never brings the wagon back. Thank you for the review!
I wish Cadillac and BMW would come back with wagon's. A CT5 Blackwing wagon would be amazing with a manual transmission, plus if we had access to the M3 manual wagon from the EU, that would be super cool too.
Having a 350d AT since 2018, no issues whatsoever (70k.km/yr). It's silent, it's an E-class, it had a good turining circle, it's no compromise. Been up in the mountains and through many inconvenient terrain... I'm sticking with mine until I hit the 1 million kms mark. SUV was never an option.
This is a sweet vehicle.
Great review. I can't help but notice the winter tires, again. -Have you guys reviewed a car this winter that didn't have Sottozero 3 tires on them? The people supplying you with these cars must love that tire! I know I love mine.
I refuse to buy an SUV, but I also refuse to buy a plastic clad, lifted wagon. I got a new 2019 E450 the moment MB showed the future Allroad. It's fantastic. A few quirks? Yep. The front doors don't hold open on the tiniest grade, the infotainment could be better, and I wish it didn't have runflats. But as a total package? It's better than I ever thought a car would be. Smooth, fast, comfortable, attractive, safe, and a pleasure ever time I get into it (except when the front door closes early and hits my leg...) Oh, and it carries 6 big dogs(100#+) with ease, and the low load height means that even old dogs, injured dogs, or tiny dogs can get in to it.
Volvo p2 v70 & xc70 and 240 platform will be king of wagons for a long time
What about the Volvo V90? Review that in comparison.
Allterrain, Alltrack, Allroad. Germany has some fascination with the word all.
Allwallet
These e-class wagons are so popular in scandinavia and germany. You can pack everything and bring your dog with you and shopping at Ikea is easy.
I never understand why the rest of the world is obsessed with sedans.
Also you didn't touch on how the interior quality on the cabin is compared to when you compared the E53 which you complained had poor build quality, something my boss also remarked on his E53 and he now after 2 years doesn't want another Mercedes.
the rest of world is obssessed with SUVs.
My 2014 E350 wagon had the problem with trim fade, but so far my 2019 E450 has only suffered a filler flap that jammed closed and MB replaced for free.
Dear BMW,
Please make an M5 wagon.
Sincerely,
A 19 year old who cannot afford it
I hear that an M3 wagon is coming, can't confirm it though.
@@damilolaakanni yes, spy shots have shown it testing but not coming to the US
I ordered an A6 Allroad, then discovered the dangerous hybrid motor failures. I bought one of these today, used, and cannot wait to get it. Very hard to find nicely equipped. Lots of vinyl interiors. Mine has it all. I tried ordering one, but that’s not working right now.
Yes, I need a rear-drive based all terrain wagon.
Volvo V90 and V60 Cross Country wagons are still soldiering along the wagon battlefield as well.
Wagons get done wrong in the US. Take Buick: they could have marketed the TourX as “not your father’s wagon”. Instead they did ZERO marketing and then were surprised nobody buys wagons. If marketing works then USE IT!
I'm pretty sure GM does that on purpose. They have a car they want to ax, they just don't market it and then they have an excuse when the sales are low. Look at all the Holden imports, for example.
Great review
Another great video Jack and Goose. I'd go Telluride. The car prices are too damn high.
again.. Jack has come along way. He can handle this on his own easily now.
Just thinking that. He's confident and assured these days
The looks of Mercedes’ wagons is what contributes to the old-fogie look of wagons … wagons done right are Volvo’s Cross Country, Porsche’s Turismos, and Subaru’s Outback … Audi has some OK wagons …
Bring back the Colony Park.
I had a 2006 WRX wagon until Winter 2019, I miss it, but I don't miss working on it. I wanted to buy a CTS-V wagon "when the used price dropped" but apparently, when GM makes a car I want, the price never drops.
Dougie D's dream car!
Mercedes improvement:
- the color perfectly camouflages the rust.
We have the V90 cross country which is also a direct competitor to this.
I'd go for the Allroad. They finally put a decent engine in it. Although looks are subjective, the Allroad looks far more handsome imo.
Yea, the Allroad looks much more modern and refined. The unpainted fenders on this looks old brand new.
Mark should throw some 22"chrome spinners on that Trax.
Can you guys please get your hands on an Elantra N and review it!? You guys are my favorite car reviewers. I gotta see your take on it.
Do the fender flares actually widen the body and/or track at all? Or is it just for show?
Why is the 2023 WRX the only car not allowed to have plastic fender trim, but the E450 A/T & Allroad is ok to have it even tho a WRX is the only car with actual rally pedigree ?
Bring back the traditional grill and three point star.....
Not in this price range but the V90 from Volvo is yet another wagon alternative
I feel like I'm part of the reason this is no longer offered as a regular wagon, but only as an "outback" version...
Why? Because 3 years ago, even though I wanted an e-class wagon, I couldn't afford one. But I could afford an Outback... Now that I make more money, I was hoping to upgrade to an e class wagon or a V90...and now, both of them are gone :(
I hate that subie stopped making the legacy wagon. That move spelled certain doom, now wagons are this super niche thing when they shouldn’t be.
you can still Dealer order a V90. Its specially made which is great. And I am sure they would take care of an american ordering (IMO) the best car Volvo takes its pride in. Box wagons are a pasttime there!
You should have gotten a certified used one. You're definitely part of the problem.
@@jayjuggrnaut CPO e class wagons were still $45k in 2018, couldn't afford that.
@@dack981 2015 and 2016 year models?
Volvo V90 Cross Country wagon is also a competitor and it’s much less expensive.
A6 isn’t the only competitor. While slightly less expensive, the V90 CC is also a good competitor.
If you want a car that is made by a Chinese company. I had two Volvo wagons pre Ford and loved them. But the quality went away, not sure if it has come back or will stay.
8:12 How is the interior space far more frustrating on the E-class than on the Audi A6? The E-class has a much more practical trunk and the A6 has a really unpractical steep angle at its trunk door/cover so that you can't utilize its fully.
It's the perfect car to haul your saddles to and from the Riding Club.
Don't care about the car, still watched. SG subscription means I need less lube. Can't wait to see Mark's tricked-out Trax on 22s lighting up the Cheesecake Factory parking lot.
How much more expensive do you think a crossover is maintenance wise vs a wagon? I've always tried to convince family and friends about how it's cheaper to just have a wagon because of MPG (if it isn't something like an RS6) and the cost of tires. Is there any other way they make a saving? I'm a wagon warrior and I will fight to the end to convince people they're the S Tier body type.
1:50 LMFAO wasn't expecting to see Steely Dan on there! Fire in the Hole is the best track on CBAT as well
That "third row" has to be a saaaaaafty thing.
I want to buy a wagon.
"Okay, here's a wagon. With saaaaaafty ."
That's not a wagon.
Doug just reviewed a "wagon". It was differently not a wagon. You'd think that if they were going to be all like "Look look, a wagon!" they offer, you know... a wagon.
Manufacturers are bad enough then they have to add government.
The only other wagon competitors sold in the US are the V60, V60 Recharge, and V90. Why do those go without mention?
i wanna in North America, is the a4 all road the best wagon thats "affordable" and to keep
I think the Audi All Road is not the only direct competitor, what about the Volvo V90 Cross Country?
V90 XC says hello!
Why did you cut your intro cards right off? like why even have them
I'd love to see a Honda Accord Wagon!
So much this. Until then, my TSX wagon is going to the grave with me.
Crosstour
@@No_Comment87 🥴
I bought a 2012 and 2013 TSX Wagon new. Still have them. Bulletproof. Well equipped and everything works. Each year that goes by, I appreciate them more and more. Watch the recent "TEDWARD" channel video on you tube. His dad owns one and his review is spot on.
@@No_Comment87 I'd argue that Toyota actually did a better Camry wagon with the first gen Venza than Honda did an Accord Wagon with the Crosstour. IMO, Honda just wanted to jump on the SUV "coupe" trend with the Crosstour.
This or an Ariel Atom 4 for baja racing in South America?
Also for the occasional drift event, but my 80 year old grandma in-law must also be able to drive it. (She loves straight piped exhausts, so the engine must produce a good note too while drifting to her local poker club.)
they need to bring back the regular E class wagon.
@savagegeese where would something like the V90 cross country fall relative to this? Would have thought they were relatively comparable.