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Maybe if they paid more and didn’t expect 22 year olds to have 8 years experience lol
You can go into local IBEW for electrians for starter 60k in my state but I don't know for other manual labor job probably because this trade has more technical aspects I suppose
Part of the problem is the government has created laws where they cannot hire you for free so few companies are going to invest money in someone they can’t immediately make a profit off of.
@@BigGArizonaliar
@@andrewgarfield9898lmao it’s basically impossible to get into without a college certificate or an electricians license. I’m almost done with the certificate and once I graduate I’m going to take the electrical license test. I went to the Martinez building and the line was full 3 blocks the entire day. My classmate and I got top 10-20 percent on the aptitude test and didn’t get hired. He had experience but he doesn’t have a license yet. 😂 shits the same as any industry nepotism and you basically have to be an electrician to get into an apprenticeship.
@@Georgesoros7790idk about y’all’s market but I was 17 getting offers to be trained without any experience… I took a different path tho
Cause trades ain’t trying to pay people ain’t worth breaking your damn body down for 16 freaking dollars an hour to fix and repair and maintain things
Amen.
I’m 19 currently and would personally sacrifice my body for the well being of my family. Grew up and my family ended up being very poor by the time I graduated high school and I didn’t like school enough to justify going into debt to get a degree. I make 16 an hour currently and am happy with this as my living. I have my own place buy gas go to concerts eat well. I do stretch’s in order to help my muscles recover and try to maintain good posture throughout the work day. Not always possible but I’m a very lucky person and eventually I plan on making six figures through this career path. Very rewarding and fulfilling to just go out and build stuff every day again not for everyone some people like being inside at a computer
@@solospoon7795 That’s easy to say because you’re 19. When I was 19, I use to feel invincible and energetic.
Will you say the same thing when you are 40? 50?
@@stevenliang3213 You don't know his family genes, and daily routine of fitness and dietary consumption.
I've seen Southern White men last into their early 70s in the skilled trades. You seem to spend a lot of time with physically weaker Yankee men from the North.
@@solospoon7795 Do a trade certificate at community college first before applying to apprenticeships (it will help you out a lot these days). Other than that, just beef up as much as possible.
All those trades people started as apprentices and then refuse to take one on themselves. They’re killing themselves off.
That is one problem with the current work culture in general. Be it the trades or corporate jobs. They want an expert who can hit the ground running . Wear many hats and get paid a poverty wage because it is entry level job that needs five years experience. To be frank it is not just the employers fault. It is our fault as well. Probably more so. We allowed this bs to happen. We fought and clawed each other for the employer's scraps. Now we have to do more and are given less. What was once going above and beyond is no longer. We need advanced knowledge for entry level work. A bachelor's degree probably holds the same weight a high diploma did in the 70s. However, those people in 70s could buy a house.While people nowadays can barely feed themselves. As bad as it is now, I can't imagine how it will be for future generations. Who knows what they will have to do to get even less than us?
@@12012channelIt will become communist slave labor
@@12012channelthanks the IBEW local near me I've made bank my first year and better hours
Yeah literally. I have been trying to get into electrical for like 6 months and I have not found a single company that will hire you if you have less than 2 years of experience. And if you're lucky they'll pay 17 an hour and expect you to take no breaks.
@@dmt9810Gotta climb that ladder and get promoted if you wanna get paid more. Just how it works now days
Yeah some teenager or 20 something hears that you can make good money in the trades only to hear from his boss "Yeah, son, you need experience so we'll start you at $16/hour. You'll makr good money after you get some experience." And after 3 years he's only making like $18/hour.
This is the hard truth no one is willing to talk about apparently. Even if you find a job making 20something an hour the only real way you make a good check that you can actually live on is to work hella overtime. Work is good, and doing good work is great, but that doesn’t mean I want to work my life away. What ever happened to work to live and not live to work?
Yeah if you’re not worth a damn I know a guy at my shop who sucks and fucks everything up all the time and he’s only at about 19 bucks after something like three years but I also know a guy who went to trade school with me and has been at my shop as long as me and worked hard and proved himself and we will both be making probably 25 next month after only working for a little over a year it’s a meritocracy boss has to make money so if you’re not worth the investment you’re SOL
Yeah... It only works out if you're in the union and living somewhere like near a big city like San Francisco or LA, but then you gotta move somewhere like 2 hours away from where all your work would be to be able to afford rent or mortgage
Then train them……like they use to
And pay them so they can live above poverty...
this is the problem, these companies don't do on the job training like back in the day. It happened with white collar jobs now the same thing is happening in the trades
@@zack1610amen now we need to go to a $20-50k trade school to become a trainee making 16/hr ridiculous
Actually training rookies in the trades no way then who would the old-heads haze, bully, and berate.
This is the real problem old farts who demand a rookie "learn the hard way" then they can call them weak when they leave
As a blue-collar business owner, it’s not that simple. Homeowners often will give bad reviews or complain, and be downright nasty, to any blue collar worker who’s “learning”. They expect everyone to have 10+ yrs experience.
In conclusion, if you actually want to succeed in this industry and have your business grow, then you need to find ways to find experienced and skilled workers.
Homeowners just hate and have bigotry towards blue collar workers, so if you try to train them and teach them on the job, homeowners will tear you apart and your business won’t survive. So it’s like, do you wanna succeed or do you wanna martyr and sacrifice yourself “for the cause”? It’s no longer beneficial to everyone to trade workers bcuz homeowners are intolerant of blue collar companies now. There’s not the respect there that there used to be. If you see a dental assistant or legal assistant learning, you respect it… but nobody respects a blue collar assistant/worker learning
It’s pretty simple. Tradesmen usually take advantage of unskilled people. Young people actually want to do trades but don’t want to be taken advantage off. You can’t expect me to know everything if I’m a beginner. If you do get a job with these tradesmen, they usually yell at you and they’re pretty condescending. You don’t give people chances you expect everyone to be up to your expectations on the first day.
I think they expect you to know nothing but get off on yelling at you and being condescending. Probably gives them tingly feeling of superiority.
I actually love the skilled trades and want to make it my life's career but getting experience IS SO damn hard. I go to a trade school and they barely taught me how to do anything, it's facilities maintenance btw which is a bit of everything, but they didn't make the most out of the short time spent on each trade. Mostly just textbook work and not a lot of hands on experience and the hands on experience we did get was very limited and lasted very short amounts of time so it's extremely easy to forget what you did!
Unions are a plus for security untill you get a official license
That’s such a broad statement
@@TheArchersTungstenit’s a realistic statement
I've applied to every local trade job and they always turn me down for having no experience. It's frustrating when they claim to be urgently hiring. The older generation needs to stop gatekeeping and offer apprenticeships if they want younger people to get involved. It's sad that in the "land of the free" it's now all about paying bills or being homeless.
Yeah, it's super competitive to get in. The issue is, the union pays a ton of money so it's difficult to hire new candidates because it's hard to fire them and the pay is enormous.
How is someone supposed to learn if you give them a day? How about give them a 2ns chance be patient and teach them.
Exactly
This right here!💯
I work as an arborist (tree pruning & removal) and I can figure out in a day or two whether they want to be there or not. Some people just don't want a job they have to work hard at. You can tell pretty quickly why they're really working there.
Maybe he quit?
Amen.
Trades are dying because older more experienced tradesmen have this holier than thou dbag attitude
I quit working as a red seal journeyman plumber and journeyman class b gasfitter when I was 35. After suffering for over a decade with an undiagnosed permanent disability, caused by doing my job. Every injury claim that I made was denied by WCB as a no time lost injury. Which means I was returned to work immediately after being injured, without investigation, diagnosis, treatment or recovery. There is no future in skilled trades, just endless pain and suffering. I am now a full-time university student at the age of 39.
Stay in school kids, to find yourself a safe and sustainable career.
I have years of on and off HVAC experience with my dad doing residential installs and service work. I applied to a company earlier this year and they wanted to hire me on $15/hour. I mean I'm not saying I'm an expert, but $15/hour? And these companies wonder why no one wants to work for them.
did you go to trade school first?
You are correct where I live at the same thing. They wanted to pay me $16 an hour in the dude was like you're going to be working in s*** conditions. I eventually called them back and told them I didn't want the job. And do you know how I know it was a s*** job? The lady was trying to talk me into still going to the interview lol. I was like no ma'am I'm good. I'm not going to be able to work for that load of pay. I believe it was for Brothers Heating and Air. They had a bunch of s*** reviews online also. But if I were you and you are good at HVAC I would look into starting your own side business. I know a guy that does it and he works somewhere for like a year or two and then went out on his own and started doing it and he's making pretty good money
The thing with trade jobs is that you are not treated like you would be treated at a company you are expected to have tremendous thick skin and tolerate being abused
You sound soft
@@dmoneydmoney6050look at you being tough on the internet lol
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It’s because you need years experience to start. You are forced to be over worked and underpaid just so you can get 2-3 years experience for an apprenticeship. It’s ridiculous. I left my last solar job because they overwork and under pay. Took me a month to find a job that pays more.
2-3 years for an apprenticeship? Jesus Christ I got in my first apprenticeship under a year. Damn not sure what your states laws are on apprenticeships but man that’s some class a bullshit.
@@joeyperry8401 its pretty common to be an apprentice for longer than a year.
I find that nobody has time to teach the new people coming into the trade. They want you to figure it all out for yourself as they throw you into the fire.
Exactly
You see that's the problem they're too busy going down on the employees who have no power and not looking at the employers
Exactly. Every other job trains you on the job. These jobs don't like to do that.
Greed is killing the trades not a lack of interest. People follow the money not jobs. You want more people stop stealing from your skilled laborers. The fact they don’t address the horrible pay is astounding
The reason why young people are "not stepping up" is because it was the boomer generation that refused to train, and would always require 7 years experience for an entry level job
Worked construction since I was 17. I’m 23 now. The industry just isn’t worth it. No ability to progress, long ours, heavy labor, and unsatisfactory pay.
So now I’m looking into being a nurse. I enjoy moving around all day, and they pay much better.
after 5 years in, wouldnt you be getting paid pretty good?
@@Isaiahkool1671apparently not
@@Isaiahkool1671obviously not otherwise he would be still a be tradesman 😂😂
I wouldn't recommend nursing. Nurses are basically bullied, cursed, and sweared at by coworkers and patients. Nursing school and prerequisites for nursing is also very difficult. You also have a terrible work life balance. The medical field usually isn't much better than trades you just make more money for less free time.
@@aaronrodriguez9376incorrect. Travel nursing grants you the freedom to work for yourself and choose when to take off. I just finished prerequisites, that's the easy part lol, the hard part is the actual program.
My aunt makes $90k only working 7 months a year as a nurse.
It's because they don't really pay a whole lot for how much work it is
Facts definitely dknt
At least 18 at minimum as a good start.
@@harverc229I make 18 cleaning toilets, doesn’t sound worth it honestly.
@@harverc229you must be 10. 😂 For hard labor you should be able to pay yours and my bills.
@@harverc229hell no even without experience $25hr should be the starting.
starting pay needs to be 24$/hr these days people don't have patience to start from 16$ to reach 30$/hr in 5 years
@@nealcassady1189 that's amazing man. In Canada government stagnating wages big time by forced immigration in name of "labor shortages" which is biggest lie
You can be a dentist hygienist in 2 years and make over 90k and work every where in the states while trade jobs only make 30 an hour which isnt that good sorry but I realize when i turned 23 it isnt worth it i went back to school and got my license for dentist hygienist my first year im aleady at 90k without overtime now my second year i did the math im over 135k this is just a basic dentist job imagine a general dentist which is 4 years of college then 4 years of training total 8 years
@@ariellee3960 well done. Dentistry must be hard to learn? U did right outta high school
@@cdgbdrhvnh what??
@@spawn11you can learn anything with the right amount of savings and support, and dedication.
Pay workers more than $15 an hour starting and you’ll get workers
yea frfr thats the big thing here in the midwest . nobody wants labor because its not paying over 14-16$ a hour. its ridiculous. its abt experience thats understandable but if people want workers thats somw they gotta do
Fax
I mean I got paid 17$ an hour doing electrical. Did it for 3. Months! The shit you be doing all the dirty work they don’t wanna do and you making 2x less then them
@@Xxandross and even maxed out your only making 30an hour working long rough hours, I’d rather make 20hr working from home and do whatever I want
You gotta have patience it doesn’t come the second you get in a trade I mean damn people are so trigger happy it’s pathetic. If you don’t have the patience to make more money you will never get anywhere. 25-30 an hour isn’t going to pop out of your ass like magic. Patience is the name of the game. Work somewhere that you can learn great under. Work somewhere who gives you great benefits on top of pay. Yes I know the wait sucks for certain benefits I’m sorry but benefits are expensive as hell for every company in America. It’s just the way it’s gotten. That’s another discussion but if you wanna cry about why your not making 25-30 an hour on the spot then you need to look elsewhere at finding your patience because nobody is going to start paying you that straight on the first day on a trade. Yes you get stuck doing the jobs that nobody wants. Guess what? You just started the trade it’s like a grocery store. You start off as a bagger and clean toilets and are customers bitch. It’s just how it is. I’ll tell it to you like this I’ve been in the electrical trade for 10 years I’m now a foreman. I went from apprentice to journeyman to foreman. So it takes time nothing is handed to anyone and nobody owes you a effing thing. You work for it. You do great you move up quicker. You do a shit job then you get shit pay.
@@joeyperry8401 I understand what you are saying but it is competely true that tradesmen, especially ones starting out, are paid ridiculously low wages.
I spent two years in the trades because I thought itd be a good career path. I was a lead installer for an HVAC company after the first year. I started at 10 dollars an hour, then 13 dollars an hour a year later!
Any installer should be making at minimum 20 an hour. I was at 15 by the time I left. Not to mention my body took a huge hit and life was miserable working 70 hour weeks all the time.
I went back to college, got my degree in project management and my starting salary for real estate development was 95k. Yeah, trades can fuck off. All of my other millennial and gen z friends have left the trades as well.
Its not that its hard, employers just arent willing to pay a bit more or take a chance on someone without experience. Add that to the fact that there starting pay is $15 for 5 days a week 8hrs a day, sometimes more, its not even enough to barley get by
90% of this country you have to be making 47k a year to survive and you have to make 100k a year to live semi comfortably
I'm starting to think the "shortage" is a hoax. When you are willing to take certified people who haven't had experience yet then I'll believe the whole shortage issue. But, getting hired so you can gain experience seems to be damn near impossible...
paid less than some fast food places, have to work a year just for 1 week of vacation, then have to work 5 years to earn 2 weeks vacation, destroy your body, toxic coworkers/environment, extreme long term health risks, expected to work a minimum of 60 hours in some places, nobody experienced wants to teach but then gets mad at their helpers for the littlest thing & belittle them. Gee, I wonder why!
no one who wants to get into the trades, can take that tiny pay of 15$ an hour to finally be "allowed" to make more. and thats on them
some trades like electricians you need a degree and most HVAC companies too. but most with a degree dont want to go into the trades when they got.. well.. a degree
@@lastni2 Since when do electricians need a college degree?
@@KevinSamuelsKidTo be a master level you need a degree. At least in a few states
Trades people are literally the backbone of our society , So that's why they need higher pay.
"You can't just get some joe off the street"
That's the problem, if you can't train anyone to do this then that's your fault.
Most people don’t truly realize how crappy your paid in these industries for the actual amount of work you put in unless it’s your own. When the company does hire people they want all the seniors to teach new people for free. That’s when you tell the office to call your family and explain why you’ll be home late with no extra pay
Why tf do I wanna break my back making 45k a year. You can be an engineer making triple that and not breaking your back.
What type of engineer?
Electrical, software , aerospace,and civil engineers can make six figures with experience.
I started off working in construction when I was younger and I regret it everyday.
I went back to college for computer science I got my masters degree and I make six figures doing a job that I love.
I only have to report to the office twice a week, make phone calls, check up on delegates, and answer emails. You can't beat that! I only sacrificed 5 years of college to obtain that. Now, the first tech job only paid me about 60k but you have to remember I live in a small town so that wasn't bad.
To make a long story short, blue collar work is not worth it at all...
When I have kids they sure as well are going to college and not going to be a blue collar worker. Lol, hahaha 😂
@@Crown42 what job do you do to just check up on delegates and shizz and make six figures??😂 Drop the gold bar!
@@lavellelee5734, I'm a DevOps engineer. My job is to help collaborate with different teams in the IT department of my company and take care of the systems, software, and overall structure of the IT side of the company.
It's a mid-size company so it's not a lot of people to manage and it's meaningful work because I love technology. Mind you that I have some years of experience in this field so that's why I make this munch.
I worked In construction when I was younger and I would not do it ever again nor recommend it. I was an HVAC technician and maintenance worker. Also did some drywall work.
The stats remains the same a professional college degree is still worth it. If you have a kid going to college for engineering, technology, or a business degree he will do well for himself in the coming years.
You can make 6 figures in the trades it isn’t impossible at all, HVAC and electricians on average make like 70-80k mid career and 90-100k late career if you have your own business than you can make as much money as you want. The problem is that the way to enter the trades is ridiculous you spend 20k in a trade school for like 6 months of training or two years in community and 1 of those years you are doing irrelevant college courses for some reason.
You experienced guys have forgotten what it was like to be green. Being the only guy without 10 years of experience in a company was really hard. I had to deal with a bunch of grumpy guys that didn’t want to teach. If you judge everyone based on their first day then your not going to be impressed by anyone completely new.
Too much time spent in the apprenticeship, too little pay for the work, and shitty employers who drop people with no notice. That’s my view. My dad was the first to go many times in the 2000s, made me so mad at the trades. Now they try to shame us into doing it “no one wants to work” - wrong: no one wants to waste time, and get screwed with wages. Lots of companies will only pay the minimum, and they wonder why no one will step up. I refuse to burn my life away when I know I’ll never get ahead.
I’m 28. I’m currently a maintenance tech of 3 years and I was lucky to have a group of people willing to train me. I started off as an apprentice while going to school for my mechatronics degree.
With that being said, I still struggle to find a new job. I want to pursue more electrical troubleshooting or programming, but no one is willing to hire and train. I applied to a Walmart maintenance position, and was denied because I was “inexperienced”??? I found out they hired someone over me with no experience at all and straight out of trade school. Which boggled my mind
I feel blessed with my current job, but at the same time stagnant
Maybe that other candidate knew someone? People underestimate "it's not what you know but who you know".
Prob bc your min wage is too low nobody wants to work that low….
Make it more accessible. Try that
Facts it can’t be true if trades actually needed people they would pay more an have paid training making it more accessible I wanna get a trade but it’s all difficult to get into plus schooling for months while working a job just isn’t worth it for most people have paid training man
@@nocapent8878 just did all that my guy & still not in the trades …. i’ve literally tried and if i do wanna get in it’s only 15 an hour how am i gonna pay bills with that might as well work at a warehouse
@@k12diggy92 which trade did u get into bro??
@@k12diggy92 an yea there are some real good paying forklift jobs make at least 40-50k a year
@@nocapent8878 yea , i graduated last saturday . but im suppose to be a electrician
Yeah because people have figured other ways to make money besides destroying their bodies for nothing…most tradesmen make $40k a year after taxes and die from heart disease at 60 before they ever see their retirement lol
Atropos
There's no retirement unless you are the business owner.
Why bust your back and spend almost as much time and money in a Trade School as in a University when all you'll get is _"barista pay"_ when all is done? Forget it!
Because so many tradesmen out there that hog knowledge and don’t like to teach. So young people get fed up and say F it. I’ve worked in underground plumbing now for almost a year. I’ve been lucky I have had ppl teach me however I still deal with Aholes. Just the other day I was with a more experienced guy. He legit told me he wasn’t going to teach or show me anything because he said if he did I would try to show him up in front of the bosses. So many other jobs have everyone who is just like that.
What I don't understand is all I hear is complaining about there "Not being enough trades people, we need more people in the skilled trades" Then I look at local unions or trade schools near me and they either aren't accepting applications or they're booked out for the entirety of the year and aren't excepting anymore for at least another year or two. I know a handful of people personally who have taken the entry math exam and got 100% on them, waited two YEARS to hear even a response and heard nothing, and it took them so long they decided to pursue a different career path. So clearly there's an issue here.
PAY livable wages of $33/Hour and up for 40 hour work week OR your business is evil and should be shut down immediately!
No, not evil. The market decides what your service is worth. If people don't value your service then adapt. Sometimes that means a career change.
That's a lie. No trades want to hire and train.
they train their sons, nephews, and sons of their best friends or family members, *but* want to hire you to work for peanuts while expecting you to be trained by someone else.
and the very ones who are tradcons denigrating immigrants are the same ones who will hire those immigrants to overwork and underpay.
Instead of training, they just fire you after one day.
Then they want 3+ years of experience even if entry level like wtf
I went to t a trade school for masonry and that's where you should be getting your training from.
I'm in my 50s and HD Diesel mechanic my body is fked from it, the only way i could get paid the money the trade deserves was working in the mining industry.
the other issue is in Australia as an apprentice your pay is very low so low that a burger flipper gets double the pay a trade-in AU takes 5 years to learn so why its hard to get young people to start a trade for 5 years
Well, it takes time to learn. Why not offer an apprenticeship? Save money and teach someone at same time?
Most “apprenticeship” I’ve looked into want 2-3 years of experience. Which doesn’t really make fucking sense to me.
Dude the old guy who worked in the electrical department at my Homedepot I used to work at was a master electrician and he literally got picked up on the side of the road from what he told me. He’s like 70 but still it’s insane back in the day yall would just picked people off the side of the road but now y’all are asking for way too much experience just to start out. Like why are some of the jobs out there asking for like 2 years of experience for a trainee job for a plumber. Y’all are doing it to yourselves 😂
Should’ve expected nobody turning up worthy of the trade because school doesn’t teach students anything and people don’t want to teach
Exactly trade companies want people that are experienced but they know damn well they dont teach you this shit in school plus most people when they graduate high school nor get a GED they never use it because 98% of it that you was taught will never be used in a hands on working environment
Trades jobs. So “skilled”, they call high school graduates “over qualified” …
21 and I’ve asked to be an apprentice for a lot of places and been turned down even places accepting apprentices don’t view applications not gonna stop though
Damn, that’s unfortunate. What are you trying now ?
Takes you two to four years become a certified electrician. It take you 3 to 6 months to learn to code. Entry pay for electrical work is 16-19$ hr and for programming it's 28-36$ hr. I wonder why the trades are dying.
In what state?
i majored in chemistry (biggest regret of my life), but i minored in physics and statistics.
those two minors helped me move into data science. i had to learn a lot, but i'm now working from home and earning $150k per year. there's good money in the tech field.
@@brainbomb. average pay for a front end developer in Michigan is 90k a year
I've been a licensed plumber for over 30 years and I have to agree with what a lot of younger people are saying it is harder to start out today then it was 35 years ago
Trade jobs don't pay you have to have another job selling drugs
Who wants to destroy their body for $23hr?
Not even that most of the time
We live in California. My brother and I have noticed this and we’re in our late 20’s . We’ve been introduced too General Construction at a very adolescent age and You Are Right in every aspect.You can’t JUST pick up some average joe off the street and all the trades people now ARE 50+ . ITS HARD to find some one that will want to put the same effort as yourself when you turn a blind eye.Im just wondering how my boss is going to react when he hears Im putting my 2 weeks in in a couple months. After sticking around for 8 years. I’m eligible to get a Contractors license now but plan on just using it for my own personal use when I buy a house.
There’s been almost no pay increase in construction trades in +30 years. The guys before that made a good living.
I'm a man and I did have an interest in picking up a trade, but I have always been told that there is lack of stability within the trades ESPECIALLY when the economy is rough. So, I became a CNA and one day I plan to get my LPN.
😅😅 what a coincidence I'm also in the process of getting my LPN credentials. I just finished the prerequisites that was needed then did the teas but haven't gotten the results back yet.
Funny I came across this.
I am relatively young, worked at an all inset, very high end cabinet shop, and still can't get above 20/ hr.
Then I landed a PM job in commercial and got paid 2x starting, 3x now, and I have less work and more energy and am not nearly as disrespected as I was as a tradesman.
When the pay goes up to that level, I will gladly go back to the shop and work, but until then, no thank you.
I will let you keep complaining about the " lack of skill" and nobody wants to work.
It is on you as a business owner to attract people into your business.
Also don't give me that " I can't afford to pay that" garbage, when I know that you are running 40% net profit.
How do I know?
I do the thing on the side and don't charge nearly as much as I should and if I was paying someone 30/hr with employment costs on top, I would be pulling 40% net, with 1.5x the amount of time spent doing the thing.
So you are the only one to blame in this " lack of skill".
It also shows in your body language as you say these things.
What is a pm job? Also 40%?!😅 That's a good amount
@@lavellelee5734 PM= Project Manager
I’m a hvac tech residential/commercial. Companies don’t want to pay , or they give you a hard time to get experience / I left the hvac then came back It’s not easy , your body takes a toll. They need to give a stay on bonus 30k for the year. These companies got it they can afford it.
Currently working auto manufacturing making 28 hour. Want to get into trades but the starting wages of 13-16 is to much of a paycut for me having 3 kids and a home.
Every trade job I ever did was pretty much minimum wage. Thought there was money in the trades lol. Maybe some positions pay good but from my experience it's a bunch of grumpy dudes having pissing contests all day long
Sounds like we're in the same boat man. Plumbing would be a good fit for me but it would probably take 4 years of hard work just to make what I am now.
Instead of doing college I became a laborer on a construction site for commercial plumbing, HVAC work, and pretty much road-paving and mechanic work too. Did it for 2 and a half years. The work itself is great, it’s enlightening - you get to learn all the secrets and how to do things for free that people would charge a fortune for. The pay however is overrated. My first and absolute biggest mistake with that job was accepting the $16/hour thinking “hell yeah and for longer hours? Thats way better than my last job on minimum wage.” Yeah, 40 hour weeks plus unlimited overtime is great and all but $16 will only get you so much, and for all the shit you’ll be doing that’s not OSHA approved for frustrating extra hours… frankly I just ain’t getting compensated enough for that. Yeah, nobody’s going into trades at a young age because hard work for bitch-ass pay is wildly overshadowed by the promises of higher education and the many easier+higher paying jobs they open you up to. Pay your people like they’re making a living, mf.
To the kids out their who think going into trades is a good idea: I’m not stopping you, but if you do go into trades, you make sure you get paid exactly what you want BEFORE they hire you. Once you’re hired, don’t expect a raise. Large companies hate giving them. I kissed ass and kept my can do attitude. I had standards and made sure the work I did was good and looked good, or at least approved by my supervisors. That carried me all the way through. It made me the company’s favorite helper. I basically learned 3 different trades thoroughly and ended up specializing in the HVAC work, doing the same thing the guys who went to school for it do. I even put in the part orders for my department. I learned to read the prints that the plumbers worked off of and did the same thing myself when they left me alone. As a laborer, they really trusted me too much sometimes. Even so, my pay remained the same. Furthermore, you don’t have to work that hard at all, you could fuck up every task you’re given and probably still keep your job with some companies because they literally don’t care as long as they’re within their contract. Working harder doesn’t earn you any raises in the trades, and a company doesn’t wanna let you go if you’re a good worker, so you won’t get better opportunities with other companies so long as you’re within your own company’s influence. The most you’re offered is relevant certifications and licenses, which don’t increase your current job’s pay. If you know you’re good or that you’re gonna be good, explain to them how you expect to make a living and not some bitch-ass college student’s wage. Confidence and humility both score points in the hiring process, you don’t have to be bob the fkn builder to get a better pay, just tell em you’re a precise and loyal worker with standards. That’s the only golden ticket you’ll ever need. More than anything though, make sure you’re able to save enough money to eventually quit and go to college full time for a degree in something. Experience will help you a little bit, but a degree on your application is all that matters if you wanna live without ever worrying about how you’re gonna pay next month’s rent.
I agree with the other comments living in a small rural town the business I worked for and myself work is in and out so I started looking at jobs within a hour and the pay compared to the knowledge and experience these places want for example need to know roofing, framing, drywall and more 15$ a hour to start. No way in hell I'm getting on a roof for under 30 when McDonald's says 14 to start
Exactly 💯😅
Doing that job 25 hr starting going up to 30 hr with benefits you got me but only if I get 40 hrs guaranteed and overtime availability mon- Friday you tell me what time to start and Id be there
Lmfao $25 you'll be lucky to get $15... Nowadays skilled laborers are fools and are looked at as a poverty tradesmen. Where you're always on the edge barely able to afford rent it's disgusting...
@@JohnAdams-mu7xd Sorry I missed the part where that's my problem if there not paying $25 then you can get a cheap worker and you get what you pay for ik my worth and I'm not staying and settling for less.
@@JohnAdams-mu7xd idk where you guys live at but saying this $15 an hour nonsense is simply not true. I’ve been looking to move out of NY and I haven’t struggled to find a job over $20 in states like Alabama, the Carolina’s, Arizona, Utah, Oklahoma, and if ur in literally ANY costal states you can demand $20 as long as it’s not your first time picking up power tools. N if u live in a rural area and can’t use a power tools you don’t deserve more than $15 to start honestly.
@roshawnshuriah5873 let me guess you can't find slave laborers for your company?
Starting is about $15 an hour in 4 years you can make $30 in 7-8 years maybe $40 but thats not much compared to the years on hard use on your body.
No pls don't die out I'm COMING😭💔
It’s hard to learn from someone who knows what they’re teaching and refuses to help you gain knowledge and experience
Unfortunately its hard to get jobs in the field if you don't have experience. Young people were born too recently to have 5 years of experience.
Gonna see if I can luck out with an electrical course in school.
I’d call some companies in your area and tell them how your thinking of going to trade school and see if they’d be interested in taking you in during it our after your program, to see if it would boost your chances of getting in, some employers will pay for your training
It can be hard to get a job in that field if you don't know anyone in the industry
@@matthewwax4434 I wouldn't do that.
I would say " I am interested in getting into this trade".
A lot of companies will pay for you to go to school and pay for your school.
You just conflicted yourself. Yeah people aren't working trades but you also expect them to know the work already. Maybe train them?
That’s because they don’t want to let people into unions and those say 50-70 year old guys want every penny they can get it doesn’t seem very appealing to young people honestly and with all the other options out there it makes sense but hey let me in there and I’ll be that same 50 year old guy I’m talking about 😂
I’m glad the comments feel my pain (this is someone who has applied for every trade since the age of 16 now 19) but there’s a time in the year where they hire just anyone so just be patient the time will come till then focus on building your own trade business 💯
Usually, employers like these dont want to do their part as an employer, they want the employee to compensate for the corners they wanna cut. They want you to know everything & jump off the truck like a pro. Companies love cutting corners during the training period. They want you to just "catch on" for pretty much everything. They want ppl they dint have to train much, however this is obviously unrealistic
trades nowadays dont pay enough money for the work you put into learning and gaining the skills necessary to work in the field.
Man ive been trying to get into woodworking/cabinentry since i got out of highschool and no one will take me. I did woodshop in highschool. Won 1st place at the county fair for a table i made.. no one will take me idk
Keep looking!
Machines make all the cabinets now a days
Start your own business
me right now coming out trade school . 20 years of age . applied to like 10 companies haven’t got a word back
It’s impossible to find any trade jobs or apprentice jobs. I’ve searched for years. The only way people get in is going to school or having a family member/friend get them in.
I like how economics are such a mystery to them. If you pay more then intelligent, hard working people will come in and fill those jobs…Until then (or until AGI takes over) most of those people will prefer to work from home in front a computer making $200k. That’s why there’s a shortage.
Here's another take. You cannot afford to pay workers much. You want top quality work for minimum wage and nobody wants to do it because there is no point to bust your butt if you can't afford rent at the end of the day
So true. And craftsmanship of the past is gone. Sad.
Very true and unfortunate!
We really need a global call on this dudes ain’t tryna be your typical plumber electrician especially bc of the pay most trades should be starting off at 80k plus people wanna get paid no way a dam dude should be dribbling a basketball an live better than men sustaining the world an maintaining the world it’s good men not getting into none of this shit because they should raise pay an women also don’t respect men in trades an blue collar jobs if you ain’t making 100k plus that’s sad an unfortunate you won’t be gettn any ass after you bust ya ass All day at work
Right everything's going to be gray and 3D printed 😂😂
Not like OP has craftsmanship, look at the generic Ikea crap in the background lmao
Why not just become a monk or a friar?
The skilled people are out there, but no one wants to pay them. That’s the problem.
I’m a tool maker/ Machinist and people don’t get how important we are to world or any other skilled trade
Pay what they are worth 😅
maybe it’s because you kick them out first day? Just bc they look bad at it to you doesn’t mean they’re bad they’re beginners! Imagine if no one has showed you how to do anything because you weren’t immediately good at it? You wouldn’t have learned to read, use a toilet, etc.
You need to give young workers a chance. Freaking boomers
I am 24 and have 8 years experience in the trades. They have taken care of me since I was 16, there are people but you gotta be willing to be patient and take some time showing them the ins and outs. Within a year you should have someone who has enough experience to go out on their own for ya. Especially if you take care of them pay wise. If they don’t have to worry about money, they won’t leave you for someone paying $1 or more an hour.
Train them and stop expecting perfection on year one.
Also a problem is something called the curse of knowledge nobody wants to properly train you they expect you from day one to be a pro at your job without experience
So train them. I don’t believe the hype of “employers can’t find employees” bullshit because I applied to tons of jobs and no one would even hire me! Even though I know how to do carpentry, plumbing, drywall and electrical work because of my dad. Don’t have a license but I know how to do basic to intermediate stuff at least.
Exactly. I've tried as well. I got no call backs. Granted, I have no experience but at the same time, every job I know of you learn on the job.
$16hr for 5yrs before making real money 😔
If they wouldn't put people down for making a mistake and making newbies feel like shit then they'd have more people
Stop telling people you have year round work when you damn well know you don’t.
You can it's a pay thing. Unless you don't wanna find the person. I can learn and do anything but will your pay make me smile
Society devalues trades workers. That's why there aren't as many. We were all told by our parents... "UNIVERSITY! UNIVERSITY! Stay in school!"
And now we don't have anymore tradesmen. They been shafted and belittled for so long, now it's ending.
No, that's not the problem at all. They have tons of applicants applying for these positions. They don't want to do what nearly all other jobs do and train them on the job. That's the issue.
Plus all these unions wait like 3 years to call you. I put in for unions when I was 18 I’m 23 I heard back from one last month to take the test.
I started trade school one year ago and finished, and these comments are correct; there are many jobs where the wages do not keep up with inflation, not even close.
The wages are fine. It's just landing three jobs that is impossible
Trades are not the answer lol. Older generations keep lying to the youth.
Only the answer when it’s your company. Working trades is like working any job, except the older generation seems to be worse at teaching with less patience than their teachers had with them. Used to be able to take an immigrant that didn’t speak your language but had the work ethic and teach him to pave a perfect driveway. Now everyone wants you to already know not only the job, but their way of doing it and any other way is wrong. Seen it over and over again. Been through it over and over again
@@IEatMyCatchthis literally describes my dad in every aspect of life he thinks his way is the right way and there is no other good way so he thinks if I don’t do shit his way I’m half assing everything in my life or he said I may as well not do it at all
@@mikem2022 sounds about right, shit sucks. My dream was farming, working with local farmers totally killed that dream when theyd brag about family money or “born into it or your not for it” for awhile. Till I realized I can learn what is needed to farm on my own, and the trade(hvac) I want to get into is a growing topic with cheap schooling outlets. Things are different now and we can’t depend on advice from a generation of people that lived life completely different than we’re experiencing. They just do not understand
Funny when I was in my 20s no union would give me the time of day
Blue collar jobs just to pay well for the training and experience you provide. You can literally spend a year self learning software development and land a junior role earning the same or more than a highly skilled blue collar job as well as getting a whole host of perks.
I got a great plan pay them more and lower the educational requirements because how is anyone that got out of school nor dropped out suppose to support themselves in today's economy
I was crawling around in attics and under crawl spaces.... They want you to do ALL the grunt work (you should do some that's how you learn but ALL?) for way less that to flip burgers..... THEN you gotta buy your own tools..... THEN.... Maybe in 5 years you might get bumped up to a wage you can finally afford to move back in with your parents on....lmfao no incentive.... All hard work.... yeah you tell me why there isn't a line of applicants.....
The owner/contractor tens to be a slimy greedy SOB and people doing the jobs see the invoices. It doesnt take long before the owner is out living the good life driving great big trucks, going on vacation, living in a big house and buying classic cars and then laying people off in the winter claiming they are broke. Thats why nobody wants to work for you
GOOD NEWS: men are now ditching college to go to trade schools now. NEW TREND. don't give up on us. And i'm spreading the word.
The problem is the standards are high lower then and you will get people the trades are looser jobs
From working in a few trades as a 19-21 year old off and on I experienced a few problems.
1. The bosses high expectations and unfair treatment to the veterans workers trying to teach to where they have no real time to teach they are too busy. They then get mad at the veteran worker even when knowing the situation. The new guy gets fired end of that no real knowledge or experience.
2. The veteran worker is too busy to teach or just yells and expects the new hire to know everything if they don't get it right away then they are fired and people say they don't want to work when in reality they want nothing more than to be able to provide. At the end no knowledge or experienced gained.
3. The new hire doesn't actually want to work.
At the end of the day if they are complaining that nobody is working then create a place where you can learn and make mistakes while learning to do the job properly. If not this will continue.
In other words, you want these people in this video to take personal accountability? Yeah, when pigs fly.
As soon as you tell them they have to put the phones away and do actual work, they walk out and hop online to cry that their boss was an asshole...
then they go on the computer and say how they should be making 30 an hour laying trex (wrong) and they smoke pot at the customers house and you have to pick them up from their moms house because they got their car impounded because they got drunk off the last 900 dollars cash you paid them that they don't report on taxes but still complain about not having enough money even though they live at home and have zero expenses
pay them more. cost of living is going up. this bullshit of slow increase in pay has got to stop.
Everyone talking about low pay need to take a look at union scales
Im in the roofers union started off at 23.76
@Jorge Guerrero contracts keep going up
But unions are impossible to get into unless you know someone or already have experience something the younger generation just doesn’t have
@johntron1237 your not fully wrong, but there's a high demand for workers. If you don't know anyone, you can go to union shops and apply to get sponsored which is the fastest way. If you go to a non union company, then just try to learn and get paid little and use that experience to go to the union at a higher year in the apprenticeship once you know what your doing
"This aint gojng to work out"
Like wtf train them.
Well, if they did that, they're going to want money unless they hire them as an intern.
Im 18, and my dad told me that he wanted me to be an electrician, thats a trade job I’m interested in as of now.
If that's something you want to do , do it , but if not don't listen to your dad.
Have you ever considered becoming a friar?