Mission Darts Fitting video, what happened next.
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2024
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Today, I clearify what happened after the Mission precision darts fitting video I made. :)
My channel is exclusive to darts only content. I create my content as I simply love to play darts and want to help other dart players improve with my own channel.
All my video's are based on how to play darts as well as advise on equipment and general darts setup with the aim to guide any new players in their darting journey as well as provide more experienced or even professional dart players with dart content to help improve.
I throw around an 80 average myself with my left hand due to injury and dartitis in my right arm.
I may, on occasion, use footage from the Professional darts corporation (the P.D.C) as well as The British Darts organisation, WDF and Modus. These are used under fair use legislation, and all credit should be given to the rightful creators. 
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Thank you for not backing down ! Shows integrity for what you believe in
Thanks for standing up for darts players!
Seems like an honest reaction to some feedback you’ve received 🤷 I agree completely, for some people this could work great and others, it might not be their cup of tea. It is strange that most people don’t just go to a darts shop where I assume they’d let you have a chuck with a few sets, but maybe times have changed since the big hype the last year 🤷
I have zero dart shops near me. I’d have to drive about 4 hours to get to the nearest one.
Love my dartshop. No worries no troubles you can chuck every dart you want and not for three throws. They are the best
I think this is a well worded/worked video. Something has to be said if it is needed to be said.... and for the record i aint against mission darts as well, i use them.... if it is an honest review and one not done to damage the company for any reason, then it is welcomed. Also this will make a company make sure they keep to a high level.
Speaking of service, I want to thank you for OVER-filling your service agreement. We ran into a short technical issue during my coaching session (most likely on my end!) and you extended the session way longer than what I paid for to ensure we covered everything. Thanks again sir!
It's my absolute pleasure, buddy. :)
I think you touched on it perfectly early in this video when you said paying for service vs paying for time. When I book my barbers it’s a 30 minute slot on his website but I’m not paying for the 30 minutes I’m paying for a haircut, if he’s done in 15 minutes all the better. If I was to pay for an hours darts coaching and get 35 minutes I would rightly be annoyed.
I think people who were going into this expecting to pay for the service of having a professional select a well suited dart for them are likely to be satisfied. Whereas those who wanted to the experience of spending an hour with said pro are disappointed. I notice a lot of complaints are from people who’ve travelled a long way wanting to “make a day of it”.
Now whether or not the service and darts selected are good/right for the customer is up to the customer to say in the end, but I think now the website makes it clear exactly what you’re paying for there certainly can be no more complaints on that basis.
Daniel, my name is Jason 🤝. Firstly I would just like to say it’s so refreshing that as a self assessing, reflecting and improvement driven human how wonderful your character and moral compass is. It still astounds me there are more people than not out there that will have a debate with 5 other people yet believe so blindly their opinion is correct they will not accept or even acknowledge the perspective of the other 5 - myself, I go in with the opinion but my mindset is I have 5 potentially priceless opportunities here that if I carefully rationalise and research it may be that 2 of them have a point of view or opinion that could better my knowledge and understanding of a topic that could lead to a crucial decision made correctly in the future as opposed to the people who right or wrong will not even consider opinion purely out of ignorance, lack of intelligence and worst of all “saving face” that they may be incorrect! Yes I often here a lot of crap but I’ll not dismiss this crap without first listening and then studying every angle of that view or information and further still I don’t believe I own the right to degrade or dismiss another persons view just because it differs to my own yet if that person has the humility to add perspective and knowledge in spite of their previous views I would assist that person with something I may have knowledge on to have a beneficial outcome on their life.
So if it means anything my view is you made an utterly fair, informed, unbiased and almost mostly not even opinionated rather than an explanation of somebody’s account of their own personal feelings on an experience they had, and I would go as far to say the response you received was utterly opposite, a borderline childish, juvenile clearly protective and biased egotistical response - making a character attack on yourself for someone else’s clearly unhappy feeling in a service they received and would just like to add you handled yourself in an extremely mature, rational and thoughtful manner - the exact type of quality that would lead me to confidently believe in your opinions and approach to your coaching and passion.
That's incredibly insightful and kind of you sir. Thank you. 😀
an honest to goodness and fair review....nothing wrong with it😁
Daniel, I just want to say thanks for giving us an honest opinion. I understand its not the most popular opinion that Mission or Andy would want to hear, but at the end of the day its your opinion and you have stayed true to that. Any service or product worth its salt should be able to stand up to any critique or praise that comes its way. I myself have considered the service and could have been swayed months ago by the numerous positive review videos seen on RUclips. But I decided to wait and Im now glad that I did thanks to your honest review and the points you highlighted.
Tbf he cannot give an informed opinion until he visits mission himself, only imo.
@@ignacio9590 I disagree. For me Daniel's video and the comments it generated reset my expectations of the service offered by Mission. Ive had an insight to others experiences who didnt necesarily have a platform to share it on. Daniel also reinforced to me that a change in equipment is no silver bullet and in order to fully benefit from such a service my throw needs to be far more consistent.
@@scottyc6341 i love the chammel btw, i am an old buggar lol, i like to experience something before i pass judgement, what works for one person may not suit other players. Just a thought, all the best.
This is wisdom from one of the best darts coaches on this planet.
Thank you sir 😀
I went and did one of these about 2 years ago as I got a recommendation. Was there for 30-40mins at most, he gave me a Mission Nightfall Style 2 set, another torpedo style dart. I only got to try the same standard flights, he just gave some L-Style ones and said yep great. I also asked about and recommendations for my throw and was told he doesn’t give advice, not sure if that’s said but just thought I’d add. Good videos and very unbiased from what I’ve seen
Thank you for sharing, mate. 😀
Good to see my comment got you in bother, haha. Joking aside, as I said at the start of it, we all get why it's limited to Mission products - I was simply saying there used to be better value options and I think £250 for a proper fitting including darts is closer to reality for many.
I agree I think the email was in anger, maybe even fuelled by a couple pints. We've all been there. It did seem a bit petty though and I also agree there's little point you going. Of course he's going to give you the full works, but it's about random punters and their feedback.
The empty threats were a bit embarrassing. He could have cut that email down and said, let's have a chat and it could have turned into a positive. Owning up to most customers are closer to 40 minutes than an hour and they'll update the wordage. Maybe even showing some of the darts and sending you a set, if you choose to review them on the channel, so be it. I think there was a nicer way to do it than a somewhat arsey email.
I totally stand by what you said in the first video this service is a waste of money if your not throwing consistent darts throw after throw then somebody spending upto a hour telling you what darts you need will not fix anything!! I was always told start with the basics first
If people take the piss they should be called out on it. Well done for showing integrity
Them advertising "precision fitting over 200 sets of premium Mission darts" seems a bit of a stretch. There was a youtuber (Nowdarts) who has a video of his session with them and there was only about 25 sets of Mission darts to choose from and out of that, i think he only tried about 13 sets, so advertising "over 200 sets" is kinda misleading.
For 250 quid if the fitting only lasted 30 minutes i would expect to have a game or get some coaching for the other half
That's why I don't trust reviews that are recorded. And I must agree, when your throw is not consistent there is no point in finding your 'perfect' set of darts.
That email is quite harsh and he’s only being “polite” about it because if he had gone all guns blazing in email or over the recorded call he’d have been made to look as a bit of an ass, the bits about copyright are funny because its never a problem for any channel to use a logo as long as its a positive video, its quite pathetic really isn’t it, even if he reported it to RUclips all that would have happened is a removal of the video and likely a strike which for a lot of channels nowadays is a common thing anyway, he makes it out to seem so much more deadly in the email 😂, we’re all entitled to our opinions on something whether its a good or bad, you’re working with somebody and you shared what their experience of it was with an opinion, dart fitting services as you say are a waste of time and even bigger waste of money especially with what they charge for it.
Darting drama is always so funny cause the entire scenarios are always so tame
Can not honestly speak about this service. I can 100% speak about Daniels service and charachter though, he was nothing but helpful, professional and brilliant in helping me! I had his video throw analysis and a video session, both were very, very affordable and he was nothing but helpful and professional! Without giving away trade secrets he showed me and told me things that really made it click and understandable. If you want a better throw its not in the darts its in the mechanics of the throw and thats what he will teach you. Once that is dialed in darts are merely preference. Daniel is brilliant and darts companies can not sell you what he can!
That means alot mate, thank you! 😊
Love your videos and tips, can you give me a little tip on how to losen the grip a little, i hold the darts way to tight and sideways they look like they are pointing to the ground🤔
You'll either need to change the grip, or unturned very early and flick straight like Yan Dekker used to. :)
Hi mate thanks very much for this follow up video. Regarding him saying hes never had a fitting take 20 mins, fair enough it may have been 22 or 23 mins but was 100% less than half an hour. Either way its done with now, it was an enjoyable experience for what it was, in my case it just wasnt for me in the end.
I did want to ask you a question about coaching, you mention in the video theres coaches out there who shouldnt be coaching, and I fully support the fact you cannot name them. What i wanted to ask was, do you know by any chance of any decent coaches who are based around the yorkshire area? Id love to have a session with you at some point but im that busy at the min id need to have someone pretty local to me who i can go to for face to face coaching? Im based in Sheffield. Thanks again mate.
Tbh I only know of one coach in that area but I haven't heard alot about him so I don't really Know if he is any good, and that's Sam Squier. I cant see any reviews from professional players for him.
@@Straightdarts No problem mate thanks very much. If i do get time at some point ill be in touch with you as I could do with the help lol. Cheers 👍
Andy seems a lovely guy but I find that he’s trying to fit players with darts that seem to suit him. He should firstly allow people to throw their own darts then see if he can make the tweaks with Mission products. Reading that fellow’s email about dropping 4 grams was sad because I did something similar, I went down from 25g to 22g and had a small bout of dartitis with the lighter darts. Been stuck with 25g for about 6 years now. Haven’t even considered changing weight.
In addition to fair use of content being allowed under the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988, the video was not defamatory under the Defamation Act 2013, as it was an honest statement of opinion, that could reasonably be held by an honest person, and the basis of that opinion was made very clear in the video. A trainee solicitor would laugh this threat out of their office.
I thought the Mission service seemed really shoddy just based on the extended 'promo' fittings that were initially made available on RUclips, but this email from the company really does paint them in a poor light. So much for a 'tight knit' darts community. Bad form here from Mission.
i went for a fitting and Andy farted on me, I cried and left.
My comments are on the screen a lot. The only fame i am going to achieve from darts bearing in mind my poor standard. 😂. Is the cheque in the post Daniel
Haha 🤣 👍
Is the contact on your website correct? Messaged it about possible coaching but never had a reply 🤷🏼♂️
Sorry buddy! I did miss a few the other day inbox stopped receiving email and they all came through at once, iv been coaching 12 to 17 hour shift and didn't even realise. Drop me and other email or a WhatsApp straighttothepointdarts@gmail.com or 07522386993
Glad you did a follow up vid, think you should edit it to not include Andy's number unless of course he gave permission to include it. Most of the points he made in his email seemed pretty valid and hopefully all his resolved now,
Personally it's not for me as I think you would need much longer and more sessions with a set of darts and more variety in flight and stem combos ( how many of us have tried someones darts loved them bought the same or similar and thrown terrible
His number is on his website as Pulic information, I would have otherwise. :) www.dartscoach.co.uk/
Fair point, only mentioned it in case some people saw this then decided to act inappropriately with that information and didn't want any blame being proportioned your way by leaving it in the video, if andy as it advertised that's on him, no ill intent in my comment just trying to help protect yourself and your great channel. Take care
@BenDavis-bw7ud Thank you buddy :)
Hey mate, just a quick heads up. I tried visiting your website to check for info on a lesson and am getting an SSL error.
I googled the exact error and got this back: “This Site Can't Provide a Secure Connection” error appears when a website doesn't comply with the HTTPS protocol. It often occurs due to no SSL certificate on the website, not automatically using HTTPS, having an expired or invalid SSL certificate, or an outdated SSL cache in your browser."
I'll fix it tonight, thanks :)
@@Straightdarts Cheers, been playing by myself for around 18 months and am at the stage where I don't think I can progress without a lesson. Look forward to speaking soon.
@blackie75 Should be fixed, it looks good my end now. If it hsnt updated your end, drip me and email and we can arrange a different payment method :) straighttothepointdarts@gmail.com
@@Straightdarts Roger that, will contact you soon. Cheers
Even player 501 with the customer if time to spare
I watched one guy, (RUclipsr), he went for the fitting, it was so rushed, I knew it was full on nonsense by the speed he was changing things. Hope you’re not in trouble for reporting the truth Daniel.
I’m in Canada, I’d love to chat, (and pay), to get information from you about developing a consistent throw.
For another time perhaps.
This link to my services online is below, drop me an email whenever you like buddy!! Thanks. Straighttothepointdarts@gmail.com
straight-to-the-point-darts.square.site/
Fact they mailed you is a weak ass move. They know you have more experience than them hahaha😂
Agreed 👍 Thank you! :)
He was only pleasant when he found out he was being recorded lol seems shady
Interesting. My take is this - make time and effort to visit Mission, meet with Andy and see the process for yourself. That way the visit will confirm or dispell what has been fed back to you. Btw - I use other manufacturers darts and don't use Mission. Good luck.
I don't think this would work. There is a reason companies use incognito clients to test their own employees. Sending someone who looks like general newbie to darts would fit better.
@@Fairyethericlol how can you give am opinion without going to mission yourself? Otherwise you are not giving an informed review..
@@ignacio9590 Dan is a public figure. Do you expect them to treat him as any other person who has far less power in community?
£250 is allot of money to just "go and see"
To be honest this is how the world works, they will always push their own product, it’s a choice thing…is it right for you? Your decision…but I can’t see a problem with you talking about this, if they were selling a top end service really well your opinion would have said so🤷♂️
I'm unable to comment regarding the mission experience, but I can regarding the threats of using another channels youtube content- there is something called "fair use", which allows anyone to use anybody elses content for the purpose of critique or commentary.
Strikes me as a massive overreaction and toys leaving the pram....
Mr Cornwall hasn't painted himself in the best light
I would edit out his phone number Dan. Unless it’s Mission’s phone number.
It's the same number on his website anyway, so it's public information.
www.dartscoach.co.uk/
Mate you probably won’t read this but if you do… I’d appreciate it!
Strayed playing 3 months ago, just want to see what you think of my stats.. worth sticking with?
Don’t really think I’ve improved enough over the last 3 months, if you take the 1st month out.
The first month I didn’t hit a 180 and I averaged 33.
The second month I hit 2 180’s and averaged 39.
This month I’ve only hit 1 180 and my average is 46.
Is it really worth sticking at with these stats? Will I ever be good at darts? I’m 6’3 and think I’m actually too tall to be any good.
Cheers for any replies!
That's better than most mate. I played 5 hours a day for 12 months before I hit 180s. Then with my left hand it took 3yrs to hit the board. I'm no professional but Iv wan plenty of local comps and hit 9 four darters with my left hand now. If you want it, you'll do it. It's a painful process, though. :)
@@Straightdarts cheers mate! Appreciate the reply and love your content, you’re the best coach I’ve ever had! Doesn’t cost me a penny! 😂🎯
You obviously know my view on the fitting … look I’m not gonna bad mother mission just gonna leave it as I done the experience and it didn’t work. I still use darts corner for my flights and equipment so wanna stay on good terms but if anyone got any questions on the fitting they can ask me directly and I’ll describe my experience as professionally as I can 👌 good follow up video it works for some doesn’t work for others but the same outcome of darts it’s mad 🫣 let’s just all move on now 👌