I agree somewhat. I'm actually a fan of newer B&M's but they are at the point now that they need to come up with new concept. RMC is taking a lot of their business over the last couple years. No doubt about that.
Patrick, the only other coasters I can think of with the "vertical loop over the lift hill" feature are Banshee and Riddler's Revenge. As for Kumba, it's like B&M sent a subtle message to Arrow saying "now this is how you do a custom looper :) "
Actually Busch Gardens Williamsburg wanted B&M to make something similar to Kumba for their park, but since B&M was in their early years of manufacturing coasters, they didn't have the resources or the possibility of making two coasters for both Busch Gardens parks. So of course, Drachen Fire was built by Arrow Dynamics, and that's when they tried to copy B&M's style, in terms of the layout, the inversions, and the support system, and we all know how rough and painful the transitions and inversions were.
I had a facination with this since it first came out 25 years ago when I was about 5. This has been my life long home park. I remember when Gwazi was a Brewery I was 5 it was closed and I cried cause I couldn't take the tour. Now Gwazi sits dormant and i cry cause RMC is unlikely. I never rode this ride until last year due to fear of heights but I fell in love all over again after that first front row ride. I loved it for its roar as a kid and its intensity as adult. I hope if they ever get rid of it I'll have enough money to buy it and install it in my own park its 1 of a kind and one of the only coaster to reach the top 50 Steel Coasters by Golden Ticket since its induction in 1998 Montu is on there too. There is a total of about 5-7 coasters that have ever done that. No clone anywhere so it truly is one of a kind.
Drachen Fire at Busch Gardens Williamsburg was going to be the first B&M Sit Down Looper, but it was an Arrow Dynamics Looping Coaster instead. It opened back in 1992 and was located to the right of Big Bad Wolf. It had 6 inversions, but the corkscrew followed by the brake run was removed after the 1994 season. In 1998, Drachen Fire closed because it was extremely rough. In 2002, Drachen Fire was scrapped.
Ahh kumba been riding it for over a decade. Probably have rode it over 150 times in that span lol. It’s not rough idc what the haters say. Only the corks can be a little jerky. Cheers to 25 great more years! That logo is still a classic as well.
Kumba is really great, especially considering its age. I also really loved Montu. Then throw in Cheetah Hunt and Falcons Fury with a nice little wild mouse (Sand Serpant) and you got a great park! Wasn't there when Cobras Curse was put in, was still under construction- but it looks great as well! Awesome video man!
@@CoasterFanatics yeah I rode it for the credit but that one not only showed its age but kinda hurt for a tall guy like me- for as short as it was. Would love to see them resurrect the woodie. Keep up the great work man, you'll always get a watch from me! 👍👏
Disney has some good coasters but the only thrill coaster there in my opinion are Expedition Everest, and Rock N Rollercoaster. The rest of their coasters seem more like family rides. I will hope to get down to Busch Gardens someday when I get a car and can afford all the park expenses. I'm only 14.
I hope you all enjoyed. Please leave your thoughts about Kumba in the comments and let me know if you think it's the most intense B&M. Also don't forget to like and share this video with your friends. Thank you and ride on!!!
Riding it in December along with the SeaWorld and Fun Spot coasters. Got the Platinum pass a month ago through Sesame Place which is good for the remainder of 2018 and all of 2019 for only $165. Turns out that at the very least, it's good for the parking and admission at all SeaWorld/Busch Gardens properties. The craziest thing is that I never even have to go to Sesame Place since they email the actual barcode that is the season pass. I'll still hit Sesame Place for Oscar's Wacky Taxi. Really looking forward to the Florida parks now.
This roller coaster is amazing! I love the theming and landscaping around the ride. It's also really intense and smooth and for that it's in my top 15 coasters.
I've heard a lot of people say that this is the best B&M coaster made to date, and I can see why. I mean this is an intense roller coaster that is even on my bucket list of rides to go on in the future. B&M is my favourite coaster manufacturer, and this is one that I have to ride because of its intense ride. I mean it says 3.8 G's for its max G-force, but it looks like more over 4 G's for sure. You really can't find a lot of these old-school B&M coasters these days. B&M just doesn't make like they used to, despite a lot of their modern coasters also being fantastic rides. Many of their coasters in the early 90s really stood out, and Kumba is one of them :)
I agree, today their rides aren't quiet intense as the old ones but there is no doubt about B&M's reliability. There coasters are work horses and rarely have extended downtime.
Love this coaster, and glad you finally got to enjoy it Patrick! Kumba is my third favorite overall coaster behind Fury and SteVe. Last row, right outside seat ;-)
I also love when coasters don't interact with others... pointing @ you SFMM.. Nice fun fact about the previous tallest inversion...I always admired as a child watching mail ordered coaster videos in the 1990s...
Kumba is in a class on its own in terms of B&M coasters, and it's probably near the top of the ones they built in the 1990s. And for those questioning if Kumba actually goes this fast in the POV, yes it does, it actually hauls ass like in the POV.
Hey Patrick, just FYI today there was a construction company showing themselves off and making their presence know at.......valleyfair. Didn’t catch a name or intent though.
My wife and I rode this when it opened in 1993 , and I have yet to ride a better B&M to this date , even Fury ( which I know doesn't have inversions ) is streatched out in it's elements to Kumba .
Patrick, it basically has the same layout as Bizarro at 6 Flags Great Adventure, I forget the Original name, but rode it a few times before they added the name change and scenery.
I remembered the name, Medusa. Of course, I had rode it not long after it opened, I loved the loop than into the immelman and cobra roll, I just anything that dives, I don;t like the cork screws, because I don;t enjoy that kind of feeling, I love zero g, barrel roll, immelmans, tall loops, probably why I love Montu and Raptor so much as far as inverts goes, floorless was cool when they came out, but I actually liked Nitro more than Medusa. I rode great American scream machine a few times before it shut down, and their dark coaster. The worst ride for me all time, was Mind Eraser at 6 flags america, those damn shoulder restraints and head banging, but they have apparently fixed that, Batwing, the 2nd lie to fly to open was okay, but not fast enough or high enough for me, TATSu is still my favorite. I haven’t been back to Hershey since Great Bear opened, yet I am only a couple hours a way, maybe next year.
You guys have to remember. All coasters (new) are made for the client. It’s up to them who decides what inversions, height and features they want. And B&M make it to their specs (or whoever is making it). You can get as much as you want as long as you pay it. Yes this is a very intense ride, wish B&M still made it like this but it’s all what the customer wants. When these are designed, they sit down with the client and everything is approved, then once it’s signed off, then production takes place. Yes they are reliable, this gives B&M my 5 stars but I do wish they would let them self go and make something wild. I give Intamin 5 stars only for being into crazy design but that’s it. Their reliability isn’t there.
Yeah I agree. B&M kind of went outside their boundaries with thunderbird since it was their first LSM launch but since then they really haven't done anything outside the norm.
I just went today, and rode kumba, I sat in the back right, and it was crazy rough... I felt so sick on it, idk if it’s better up front or certain areas but it was definitely a let down
CoasterFanatics ok, I rode it a couple times today one time towards the front and then the same back seat as the other day, and man was it a night and day difference, it was amazing today, so idk I must have had my head on the head rest too much or something, but it was well worth it today
Coaster Fanatics Which Busch Gardens Park is Better Tampa (Despite it operating year Round) or Williams burg (Where it has an Operating Season from March to Early January)?
From a coaster stand point I'd say Tampa has the more quality coaster lineup even though Williamsburg has more. But based on looks I'd say Tampa is the winner. It really is a beautiful park.
Eh Williamsburg is prettier I just like it better. I think Griffon > SheiKra Verbolten = Cheetah Hunt Loch Ness < Kumba Alpengeist = Montu but the Grover coasters are the best and most thrilling things ever. Also Kumba wins cuz loch is a piece of shit
It's about as intense as some of the RMC's. Not in terms of airtime but in the inversions and relentless speed with the exception of the MCBR of course.
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I thought it was a picture, but then saw the people in the bottom right and then the train go by!
Same
lol, It does kind of look like that.
Old school inverts and old school sit downs are the best
Yeah I love them too. Solid rides and very reliable a well.
Agreed. New B&Ms aren't great. The repetitive layouts aren't great aswell
Christian Moss You have to ask the question: Does anybody make good shit anymore ? Lol
@@trainsmusicandmore877 ikr... I feel like B&M are just stuck ATM unless they start making new concepts
I agree somewhat. I'm actually a fan of newer B&M's but they are at the point now that they need to come up with new concept. RMC is taking a lot of their business over the last couple years. No doubt about that.
Patrick, the only other coasters I can think of with the "vertical loop over the lift hill" feature are Banshee and Riddler's Revenge.
As for Kumba, it's like B&M sent a subtle message to Arrow saying "now this is how you do a custom looper :) "
Yeah those are the only ones that I know of as well. Yeah this is so much better than any arrow looper.
There’s a few out of the us made by Mack now but it’s the same layout lol. I think the worlds tallest loop goes over a lift hill as well.
Actually Busch Gardens Williamsburg wanted B&M to make something similar to Kumba for their park, but since B&M was in their early years of manufacturing coasters, they didn't have the resources or the possibility of making two coasters for both Busch Gardens parks. So of course, Drachen Fire was built by Arrow Dynamics, and that's when they tried to copy B&M's style, in terms of the layout, the inversions, and the support system, and we all know how rough and painful the transitions and inversions were.
If only B&M still made their rides like this. Then they would be near the top for sure
I agree. I still place them at the top for reliability though. Their coasters rarely have extended downtime.
CoasterFanatics that is true
Yeah now their newer looping coasters like Valravn, Banshee, Gatekeeper, etc. are super spaced out instead of forceful and compact.
I had a facination with this since it first came out 25 years ago when I was about 5. This has been my life long home park. I remember when Gwazi was a Brewery I was 5 it was closed and I cried cause I couldn't take the tour. Now Gwazi sits dormant and i cry cause RMC is unlikely. I never rode this ride until last year due to fear of heights but I fell in love all over again after that first front row ride. I loved it for its roar as a kid and its intensity as adult. I hope if they ever get rid of it I'll have enough money to buy it and install it in my own park its 1 of a kind and one of the only coaster to reach the top 50 Steel Coasters by Golden Ticket since its induction in 1998 Montu is on there too. There is a total of about 5-7 coasters that have ever done that. No clone anywhere so it truly is one of a kind.
I agree. very special coaster for sure.
Drachen Fire at Busch Gardens Williamsburg was going to be the first B&M Sit Down Looper, but it was an Arrow Dynamics Looping Coaster instead. It opened back in 1992 and was located to the right of Big Bad Wolf. It had 6 inversions, but the corkscrew followed by the brake run was removed after the 1994 season. In 1998, Drachen Fire closed because it was extremely rough. In 2002, Drachen Fire was scrapped.
My Favorite coaster in the park. Old school intensity at its best.
I agree!!!
Old B&Ms >>>>> new B&Ms
I actually love the newer B&M's but I do really appreciate The old B&M's how intense they are.
OTSR>>>>Vest Restraint
Ahh kumba been riding it for over a decade. Probably have rode it over 150 times in that span lol. It’s not rough idc what the haters say. Only the corks can be a little jerky. Cheers to 25 great more years! That logo is still a classic as well.
Nice, Yeah I didn't have a problem with the corkscrews either. Very solid and smooth ride throughout.
The back row can be jerky on the first cork but that’s it tbh
good to know thatnks!
Another great video.
Thanks man!!!
Kumba is really great, especially considering its age. I also really loved Montu. Then throw in Cheetah Hunt and Falcons Fury with a nice little wild mouse (Sand Serpant) and you got a great park! Wasn't there when Cobras Curse was put in, was still under construction- but it looks great as well! Awesome video man!
I agree. You can't forget scorpion as well. Thank you very much!
Love Montu, since Raptor was like my very first invert, always number 1 with me, but Montu, had there been no Raptor, would be my number 1.
@@CoasterFanatics yeah I rode it for the credit but that one not only showed its age but kinda hurt for a tall guy like me- for as short as it was. Would love to see them resurrect the woodie. Keep up the great work man, you'll always get a watch from me! 👍👏
Thank you very much!!!
I have wanted to get to this park for a while now. Kumba, shiekra, Cheetah Hunt, and Montu look awesome. It seems like a cool park.
Yeah they overall have the best coaster lineup in Florida. Imagine if they get the sky rocket II and RMC Gwazi.
Disney has some good coasters but the only thrill coaster there in my opinion are Expedition Everest, and Rock N Rollercoaster. The rest of their coasters seem more like family rides. I will hope to get down to Busch Gardens someday when I get a car and can afford all the park expenses. I'm only 14.
I hope you all enjoyed. Please leave your thoughts about Kumba in the comments and let me know if you think it's the most intense B&M. Also don't forget to like and share this video with your friends. Thank you and ride on!!!
Riding it in December along with the SeaWorld and Fun Spot coasters. Got the Platinum pass a month ago through Sesame Place which is good for the remainder of 2018 and all of 2019 for only $165. Turns out that at the very least, it's good for the parking and admission at all SeaWorld/Busch Gardens properties. The craziest thing is that I never even have to go to Sesame Place since they email the actual barcode that is the season pass. I'll still hit Sesame Place for Oscar's Wacky Taxi. Really looking forward to the Florida parks now.
Awesome. I didn't know you could do that with the season pass. I'll have to remember that.
This roller coaster lion ain’t goin’ anywhere else because it’s been the king of the roller coaster jungle for 25 years since its debut in 1993!
lol yep!
Excellent video as usual Patrick !! Thanks for sharing !
Thank you very much!
Kumba was the first to feature the dive loop and interlocking corkscrews, when you mentioned how many of those inversions were common today :)
True that, you can say it is the inspiration for the coasters they built after.
And first loop to go around the lift!
This roller coaster is amazing! I love the theming and landscaping around the ride. It's also really intense and smooth and for that it's in my top 15 coasters.
I 100% agree. Easily top 20 steel coaster for me.
I've heard a lot of people say that this is the best B&M coaster made to date, and I can see why. I mean this is an intense roller coaster that is even on my bucket list of rides to go on in the future. B&M is my favourite coaster manufacturer, and this is one that I have to ride because of its intense ride. I mean it says 3.8 G's for its max G-force, but it looks like more over 4 G's for sure. You really can't find a lot of these old-school B&M coasters these days. B&M just doesn't make like they used to, despite a lot of their modern coasters also being fantastic rides. Many of their coasters in the early 90s really stood out, and Kumba is one of them :)
I agree, today their rides aren't quiet intense as the old ones but there is no doubt about B&M's reliability. There coasters are work horses and rarely have extended downtime.
Love this coaster, and glad you finally got to enjoy it Patrick! Kumba is my third favorite overall coaster behind Fury and SteVe. Last row, right outside seat ;-)
Thank you very much. yeah it was awesome!
I also love when coasters don't interact with others... pointing @ you SFMM..
Nice fun fact about the previous tallest inversion...I always admired as a child watching mail ordered coaster videos in the 1990s...
Thanks. Yeah I didn't get any of those videos, lol.
Kumba is in a class on its own in terms of B&M coasters, and it's probably near the top of the ones they built in the 1990s. And for those questioning if Kumba actually goes this fast in the POV, yes it does, it actually hauls ass like in the POV.
You are 100% correct. O use to hear people rave about this thing and think there was no way it was that good. It really is that good though!
Both times when I went to BG Kumba had no lines and I just can’t understand that, given how awesome this ride is.
luciano AC ehh it’s in the back and the capacity is really good for the ride.
Line was actually decent when I went. I probably waiting around 20 minutes or so.
Probably in my top 5!!
Yeah I haven't decided where I'm going to put it yet but it's easily in my top 20 steel.
Awesome POV! Kumba is a definite bucket list coaster for me. I wish the B&M sit-down looping coasters could come back :)
Floorless coasters are basically the same thing..
@@donovanw2150 Yeah but the only difference is that there's no floor underneath your feet.
Yeah, at least we have several good ones for us to choose from here in the states.
Hey Patrick, just FYI today there was a construction company showing themselves off and making their presence know at.......valleyfair. Didn’t catch a name or intent though.
That's good to hear. i hope Valleyfair gets something good soon!
I will ride this next year im hyped and im going to California on Monday
Nice, Hope you are having a great time!
My wife and I rode this when it opened in 1993 , and I have yet to ride a better B&M to this date , even Fury ( which I know doesn't have inversions ) is streatched out in it's elements to Kumba .
Yeah I don't know if Kumba beats Fury for me but it's right up there with it. That's for sure.
Patrick, it basically has the same layout as Bizarro at 6 Flags Great Adventure, I forget the Original name, but rode it a few times before they added the name change and scenery.
Yeah pretty similar. Bizarro is kind of rough though and nowhere near as intense.
I remembered the name, Medusa. Of course, I had rode it not long after it opened, I loved the loop than into the immelman and cobra roll, I just anything that dives, I don;t like the cork screws, because I don;t enjoy that kind of feeling, I love zero g, barrel roll, immelmans, tall loops, probably why I love Montu and Raptor so much as far as inverts goes, floorless was cool when they came out, but I actually liked Nitro more than Medusa. I rode great American scream machine a few times before it shut down, and their dark coaster. The worst ride for me all time, was Mind Eraser at 6 flags america, those damn shoulder restraints and head banging, but they have apparently fixed that, Batwing, the 2nd lie to fly to open was okay, but not fast enough or high enough for me, TATSu is still my favorite. I haven’t been back to Hershey since Great Bear opened, yet I am only a couple hours a way, maybe next year.
Looks like it could be the best B&M ever built to be honest!
Yeah I could definitely see why some people think it's the best. It's definitely up there for me as well.
I think I already mentioned my opinion to you when you were in Tampa on Kumba. Very intense for me.
I agree. crazy intense!
Hey look! It's the best B&M in North America!
Definitely one of the best for me, that's for sure.
#TeamMontu
You guys have to remember. All coasters (new) are made for the client. It’s up to them who decides what inversions, height and features they want. And B&M make it to their specs (or whoever is making it). You can get as much as you want as long as you pay it.
Yes this is a very intense ride, wish B&M still made it like this but it’s all what the customer wants. When these are designed, they sit down with the client and everything is approved, then once it’s signed off, then production takes place.
Yes they are reliable, this gives B&M my 5 stars but I do wish they would let them self go and make something wild.
I give Intamin 5 stars only for being into crazy design but that’s it. Their reliability isn’t there.
Yeah I agree. B&M kind of went outside their boundaries with thunderbird since it was their first LSM launch but since then they really haven't done anything outside the norm.
Canada's Wonderland and Busch Gardens Williamsburg can get a B&M Sit Down Looper.
Yeah that would be nice!
I just went today, and rode kumba, I sat in the back right, and it was crazy rough... I felt so sick on it, idk if it’s better up front or certain areas but it was definitely a let down
Sorry to hear that. i rode it in the front so I can't say one way or another about the back. I will say that the front is very smooth.
CoasterFanatics ok, I rode it a couple times today one time towards the front and then the same back seat as the other day, and man was it a night and day difference, it was amazing today, so idk I must have had my head on the head rest too much or something, but it was well worth it today
Awesome, good to hear! Yeah you have to be careful with the old B&M head restraints on all coasters.
Coaster Fanatics Which Busch Gardens Park is Better Tampa (Despite it operating year Round) or Williams burg (Where it has an Operating Season from March to Early January)?
From a coaster stand point I'd say Tampa has the more quality coaster lineup even though Williamsburg has more. But based on looks I'd say Tampa is the winner. It really is a beautiful park.
Hmm I like Tampa better based on the rides but will see how the parks evolve in the next 10 years and they’ll be a Clear winner then
Yeah Williamsburg is set to get something iin 2020 it sounds like. So things can change for sure.
Eh Williamsburg is prettier I just like it better. I think Griffon > SheiKra Verbolten = Cheetah Hunt Loch Ness < Kumba Alpengeist = Montu but the Grover coasters are the best and most thrilling things ever. Also Kumba wins cuz loch is a piece of shit
Do u think this is smooth or rough
For its age, I found Kumba to be very smooth.
How many rides did u get on it
Led to B&M's floorless, the track layouts are practically the same.
You are right. very close especially the six flags floorless coasters.
How is this so intense? What rides would you compare it to as far as intensity?
It's about as intense as some of the RMC's. Not in terms of airtime but in the inversions and relentless speed with the exception of the MCBR of course.
The actual ‘gravity’ part of the ride only lasts :61 seconds.
Yeah I kind of figured. I just listed the stats posted on RCDB.