Jason Hickel resources: Aime Cesaire - Discourse on colonialism Ha-Joon Chang - Kicking down the ladder; Bad Samaritans Sven Beckett - Empire of cotton Utsa Patnaik David Harvey - A brief history of neoliberalism
I believe that Mahatma Gandhi was one of the few who saw how to tackle poverty in a deeper way. Unfortunately no one listened to him. (At least in the context of poverty alleviation.) Poverty can only be solved by setting up mechanisms to solve poverty WITH the poor, not FOR the poor from a state of convenience.
Absolutely incredible talk. Expertly delivered talk and unbelievable patience showed at the idiotic question asked by the googlers. I strongly suggest everybody to check as well Hickel's work on unequal exchange and degrowth
"Talks at Google???!!!" I wonder if people at Google, the champion of tax avoidance/evasion and large monopolies, are actually listening to what scientists have to say about inequality...
Most people at Google are regular engineers who love building things. Google offers them an opportunity to build great things that is difficult to find elsewhere
10:48 “Each year about $2 trillion US dollars flows from Global North to Global South…but, at the same time, we see that $5 trillion flows in the other direction from South to North.” 11:12 “…for every dollar of aid the Global South receives, they lose $24 in net outflows.” The discrepancy between the two numbers (2½ times vs. 24 times) results from the fact that the $2 trillion includes things _other than_ direct aid, i.e., foreign direct investment, loans, remittances, “everything.”
WOW - what a talk. Fascinating the outflows of money compared to the good will inflows, he makes stunning use of numbers to lay it bare. The truth is really shocking.
@Ryan Robichaud Read "globalization and its discontents" which is a more nuanced look at globalization, written by a former vice president and chief economist of the world bank. He talks about the trade offs with globalization, but also talks about how globalization has not been "managed" correctly. The question lies in how you manage the globalization process to benefit all. Most likely mapping out of the informal economy, and the use of GIS mapping to drive deeper engagement at the local level. I will need to think about it more deeply. Read his book if you want a more in depth understanding of his perspective, and read globalization and its discontents if you want a more balanced look at how things happened to damage countries from the IMF written by a senior economist. Also read "kicking away the ladder," which is written by a south korean economist. It really is true that liberalization and lack of protectionist policies have hurt these countries but I believe in a one by one model. Meaning that we need to develop systems to focus on the needs of individual families.
Brilliant talk, this kind of thing was discussed much more in the late 90s and has fallen of the radar in this generation I think. Time to put the pressure back on the world bank, on the IMF and on western neo-imperialism.
Wonderful talk. Given that we are currently overshooting Earth's sustainable carrying capacity by ~75% per year, we have no choice bu to de-grow/shrink our economies and lifestyles or the laws of nature will collapse them for us.
[20:57] What happened after colonialism? A 5-minute summary of how the west drained the developing countries and created this global wealth inequality.
Selling commodities seldom makes you rich. No pricing power. But that is what developing countries do. Just sending money to the developing countries does not change that.
Jason. You talk of so many issues and results of a flawed system but never get to the core process protecting the game they play. Nothing will ever change until our campaign process is thoroughly overhauled. Yes correct! And to understand that statement, all one needs to do is take a good look at our money/time saturated campaign process to understand how it thoroughly ensures that those public servants that enter the gauntlet come out thoroughly owned and embezzled by the corporate/special interest that own and run our democracy. Put a little corporate owned media with the abolished Fairness Doctrine into the equation and the opinionated news process further more divides the nation and insulates the level of power and corruption that rules today’s invented democracy. “ Those passionate of issues are easily fooled, but those critical of process are thoroughly feared”
Excellent story well told ❤ I would recommend looking at the research happening at the Autonomous University of Barcelona on the topic of Degrowth and post capitalist economics.
Why is the most recent data on the graph already 10 years old? I find it hard to believe in this day and age, with big data, that it can’t be kept up-to-date. A lot could’ve happened since 2010 to make this graph either infinitely better, or infinitely worse.
I doubt it. Large scale changes in terms of power dynamics have not changed. Its not all bad. The director of Unicef increased vaccine rates from 20-80 percent world wide from 1980-1995. Technology innovation and business have had some good, but not enough to raise the majority out of poverty.
It's 2012 data. You're right, this data is stale. It doesn't show how much worse it's become since then, because absolutely nothing has changed. Neoliberal capitalism is raging and shows no signs of stopping until it runs itself into the ground.
@@kennethyoung7564 Yeah, it's great that medical advances have been made, whether it be vaccines or maternal and infant deaths having been greatly reduced, but that's just simply providing medical aid. But that's a drop in the bucket compared to allow 3rd world countries to develop on their own, build up their industry, and own their own resources through nationalization, etc. They're totally and completely exploited.
Watching these people talk at Google (David Graeber's Google Talk at Google comes to mind) is so frustrating bc even though people are listening, they will never ever ever endanger their jobs to speak up for Global Inequality. Google (or Alphabet) is one of the biggest monopolies in the world, and monopoly capitalisms is the biggest driver of poverty and abuse in the world. It's like givinga lecture of humans are a unique cooperative species to a bunch of jackals.
indeed, as Google shareholder I am quite shocked about the use of company resources for such speakers. Also, what are the key proposals, a revolution of proletariat?😊
Yes! That all true but nothing new. Socialists around the world are claiming that since decades ago. We have to achieve a situation that liberal Democracy are threatened by fascists to do something about it. I hope we can achieve a consensus that we need return to social democracy with wellfair state and enforce it to the world.
Sounds like reality too me in this conversation. Example how equal is google in the information world ? Please show me one Corporation or Nation which does what he says needs to be done. Is it possible to do what he says needs to be done to equalize the economy,. I can't see it. If someone can realistically give me a beginning solution or a larger solution, please.
At minute 5:36 Jason is laughing. He probably is happy because he managed to show that there are more poor people than most other commentators have argued.
Mathematical Problem: $6 trillion is the cost of "ending" poverty (so people can earn $7.4 daily) - is this really going to end poverty? Or does it just create inflation, and you still can only buy just as much as you ever could? I'm sure the richest people are in favor of inflation. To say $19 trillion is the income of the richest does not mean that they would pay themselves $6 trillion less so that the poor receive $6 trillion more. The richest would rather pay themselves $6 trillion more and then ask the poorest to raise the extra $6 + 6 = 12 trillion to pay both the rich and the poor. That's the math. TRumPeace Out.
No, she's fantastic!! Credit to her to hosting this discussion👏! How many in Google even think like she does? And she has stretched out of her comfort zone, cause she's a designer whose roped in an anthropological economist (I had no idea they existed!). All because she recognised this is a critical topic. Even if she's not as articulate as a university lecturer like Jason (she probably works mostly off a screen, and English may be her second language), she didn't wait for perfect to act. She saw a gap & addressed it best she could. I wish they were more like her not just at Google, but in the world.
He say's the socialists reforms in the global south worked well because they seen growth after colonialism. It would of been hard not to grow after everything had been returned back to the people of the country. They probably would of grew at a faster rate if they took a free market approach after colonialism.
Take grains for example, we are producing more grains per person compare to 1960 (population*1.5, grain*3), so the world should be more abundant with less famine. But no, if you take out China, the world is not doing better. The problem is structural and China has avoided it by rejecting the neoliberalism ideology promoted by the west (aka, modern financial colonisation).
Jason I am afraid your analysis seems biased to me. In your “flat graph” where the number of poor has not increased since 1980 when we exclude China, something demonstrably false as we see the poorest people on Earth have smart phones now, did you forget to add the +3 billion population increase, therefore increasing the people above the line by 3B? I understand that blaming everything on “colonialism” can make your followers feel good when they denounce it, but how can your analyses explain how countries of Westerns values like Greece, that were Ottoman colonies, now do better (in per capita GDP and other metrics) compared to their colonizers? Maybe there are other parameters at play you are not looking into? Sincerely.
You are judging development primarily in terms of industrialization, something he brings up in the video. Also you are wrong. Have you spent much time in slums in the third world? Part of the problem is framing development with the context of western institutions. I would suggest reading his book, as well as kicking down the ladder by the south korean economist that is mentioned.
@@kennethyoung7564 you tell me I am wrong without explaining to me how I am wrong (yes, I have been to slums in Africa), you do not answer any of the points I raised and then you tell me to buy the book of someone I just said I consider biased. If you helped me understand why he is not biased I would do it. Now, have you spent any time on countries that used to be colonies? How do you explain that in many cases these countries are doing better than their neighbors? Maybe colonialism was not only exploitation?
@@Arahura2011 privilege unexamined may truly make you unhinged to reality. How are you sure you’re not the privileged one? Have you, personally, earned all the benefits you have compared to the other 7B people on earth? How did you “examine” this?
@@DD-ut2ew @DD i mean im pretty privileged in regards to the fact I don't live in a 3rd world country. Have a roof over my head, food in my belly, clothes on my back. But as an indigenous Native to my country, New Zealand. im not really treated as privileged lol(atleast imo[in my opinion]). From what i got from this whole video is basically the rich just fkx the poor and still continue to do. As a Maori, I feel strongly about the fact that we as people/culture shared our lands out of kindness, To which was repayed with cheated, stolen and profited off of land. To which were still fighting for to this day. So idk what you mean about unchecked privilege. But im assuming your genealogy/ancestors profited off the inequality he's speaking about. But idk man. Don't @ me 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
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How ironic that Google hosted this talk....
And they won't advertise it.
Google is full of people with their own agendas
So true. I have only came across this video 4 years after it became public because I was searching this guy… and other videos are always being pushed
Jason Hickel resources:
Aime Cesaire - Discourse on colonialism
Ha-Joon Chang - Kicking down the ladder; Bad Samaritans
Sven Beckett - Empire of cotton
Utsa Patnaik
David Harvey - A brief history of neoliberalism
Thank you! You're a legend.
I would do what you already did! Thanks!
Love the excluding-China charts, and the debt quote - not paying the debt won't kill anyone, paying it will. Debt is slavery.
One of the few people who dares to tell the truth..
One of the only people who actually knows the truth !
I believe that Mahatma Gandhi was one of the few who saw how to tackle poverty in a deeper way. Unfortunately no one listened to him. (At least in the context of poverty alleviation.) Poverty can only be solved by setting up mechanisms to solve poverty WITH the poor, not FOR the poor from a state of convenience.
There are two things.
1. Should know the truth
2. Your comment
Absolutely incredible talk. Expertly delivered talk and unbelievable patience showed at the idiotic question asked by the googlers. I strongly suggest everybody to check as well Hickel's work on unequal exchange and degrowth
"Talks at Google???!!!" I wonder if people at Google, the champion of tax avoidance/evasion and large monopolies, are actually listening to what scientists have to say about inequality...
"The capitalist will sell the rope that hangs him."
Google (Alphabet) doesn't care what people like Hickel say. They've got so much money & a stranglehold on internet search.
Most people at Google are regular engineers who love building things. Google offers them an opportunity to build great things that is difficult to find elsewhere
10:48 “Each year about $2 trillion US dollars flows from Global North to Global South…but, at the same time, we see that $5 trillion flows in the other direction from South to North.”
11:12 “…for every dollar of aid the Global South receives, they lose $24 in net outflows.”
The discrepancy between the two numbers (2½ times vs. 24 times) results from the fact that the $2 trillion includes things _other than_ direct aid, i.e., foreign direct investment, loans, remittances, “everything.”
What ratio would you say is a more even apples-to-apples comparison?
WOW - what a talk. Fascinating the outflows of money compared to the good will inflows, he makes stunning use of numbers to lay it bare. The truth is really shocking.
@Ryan Robichaud Read "globalization and its discontents" which is a more nuanced look at globalization, written by a former vice president and chief economist of the world bank. He talks about the trade offs with globalization, but also talks about how globalization has not been "managed" correctly. The question lies in how you manage the globalization process to benefit all. Most likely mapping out of the informal economy, and the use of GIS mapping to drive deeper engagement at the local level. I will need to think about it more deeply. Read his book if you want a more in depth understanding of his perspective, and read globalization and its discontents if you want a more balanced look at how things happened to damage countries from the IMF written by a senior economist. Also read "kicking away the ladder," which is written by a south korean economist. It really is true that liberalization and lack of protectionist policies have hurt these countries but I believe in a one by one model. Meaning that we need to develop systems to focus on the needs of individual families.
Brilliant talk, this kind of thing was discussed much more in the late 90s and has fallen of the radar in this generation I think. Time to put the pressure back on the world bank, on the IMF and on western neo-imperialism.
Thank *_you_* Lisa for keeping this important conversation going!
Wonderful talk. Given that we are currently overshooting Earth's sustainable carrying capacity by ~75% per year, we have no choice bu to de-grow/shrink our economies and lifestyles or the laws of nature will collapse them for us.
Excellent. Complementary to the work of Piketty.
Would be great if you could share links to the books mentioned
The divide and less is more
The Divide: Global Inequality from Conquest to Free Markets
Less is More: How Degrowth Will Save the World
[20:57] What happened after colonialism? A 5-minute summary of how the west drained the developing countries and created this global wealth inequality.
wait? google is hosting this? wow, wtf
Selling commodities seldom makes you rich. No pricing power. But that is what developing countries do. Just sending money to the developing countries does not change that.
Yeah they have no choice in the matter. Any leader that decides to industrialize or socialize immediately gets deposed
A fellow African. Cool!
Jason. You talk of so many issues and results of a flawed system but never get to the core process protecting the game they play.
Nothing will ever change until our campaign process is thoroughly overhauled.
Yes correct! And to understand that statement, all one needs to do is take a good look at our money/time saturated campaign process to understand how it thoroughly ensures that those public servants that enter the gauntlet come out thoroughly owned and embezzled by the corporate/special interest that own and run our democracy.
Put a little corporate owned media with the abolished Fairness Doctrine into the equation and the opinionated news process further more divides the nation and insulates the level of power and corruption that rules today’s invented democracy.
“ Those passionate of issues are easily fooled, but those critical of process are thoroughly feared”
This channel has 2.3m subscriptions but this talk has 30k views only. Why?
Viva la socialisme
Excellent story well told ❤
I would recommend looking at the research happening at the Autonomous University of Barcelona on the topic of Degrowth and post capitalist economics.
Why is the most recent data on the graph already 10 years old? I find it hard to believe in this day and age, with big data, that it can’t be kept up-to-date. A lot could’ve happened since 2010 to make this graph either infinitely better, or infinitely worse.
I doubt it. Large scale changes in terms of power dynamics have not changed. Its not all bad. The director of Unicef increased vaccine rates from 20-80 percent world wide from 1980-1995. Technology innovation and business have had some good, but not enough to raise the majority out of poverty.
It's 2012 data. You're right, this data is stale. It doesn't show how much worse it's become since then, because absolutely nothing has changed. Neoliberal capitalism is raging and shows no signs of stopping until it runs itself into the ground.
@@kennethyoung7564 Yeah, it's great that medical advances have been made, whether it be vaccines or maternal and infant deaths having been greatly reduced, but that's just simply providing medical aid. But that's a drop in the bucket compared to allow 3rd world countries to develop on their own, build up their industry, and own their own resources through nationalization, etc. They're totally and completely exploited.
Watching these people talk at Google (David Graeber's Google Talk at Google comes to mind) is so frustrating bc even though people are listening, they will never ever ever endanger their jobs to speak up for Global Inequality. Google (or Alphabet) is one of the biggest monopolies in the world, and monopoly capitalisms is the biggest driver of poverty and abuse in the world. It's like givinga lecture of humans are a unique cooperative species to a bunch of jackals.
indeed, as Google shareholder I am quite shocked about the use of company resources for such speakers. Also, what are the key proposals, a revolution of proletariat?😊
A very poignant and informative talk, wow :O
Ty
Slavery needs to be abolished AGAIN? This will need to be changed. Provide for mothers and elderly.
Yes! That all true but nothing new. Socialists around the world are claiming that since decades ago. We have to achieve a situation that liberal Democracy are threatened by fascists to do something about it. I hope we can achieve a consensus that we need return to social democracy with wellfair state and enforce it to the world.
Social democracies in europe are part of the problem though.
@@wraithwrecker_ because they are not socialistic at all. Just look at Britain.
7:11 this is important
How come this book aint in spanish?
Your analysis is spot on, let me ask; you and what Army will move the current system in play to a more transparent just model???
Hopefully an army of working class and dispossessed who are empowered by this information
CRIMINALS.
you're not a criminal if you write the laws
@@pureeffort4152 Then you become something way worse than a criminal
I remember when Obama came into office. Off shore accounts were being investigated. I know you think we do not hear you but we do. Blessings xoxox
Devastating
40:20 Google knows that people in global south are not compensated fairely.
How pandemic COVID-19 mau acelerate the process of looking Global South in a fair way?
Just curiously, how do you have time for this? Doesn't Google require you to work on something that's going to pay the bills?
Sounds like reality too me in this conversation. Example how equal is google in the information world ? Please show me one Corporation or Nation which does what he says needs to be done. Is it possible to do what he says needs to be done to equalize the economy,. I can't see it. If someone can realistically give me a beginning solution or a larger solution, please.
At minute 5:36 Jason is laughing. He probably is happy because he managed to show that there are more poor people than most other commentators have argued.
why do I hear "toxic google"
Mathematical Problem: $6 trillion is the cost of "ending" poverty (so people can earn $7.4 daily) - is this really going to end poverty? Or does it just create inflation, and you still can only buy just as much as you ever could? I'm sure the richest people are in favor of inflation. To say $19 trillion is the income of the richest does not mean that they would pay themselves $6 trillion less so that the poor receive $6 trillion more. The richest would rather pay themselves $6 trillion more and then ask the poorest to raise the extra $6 + 6 = 12 trillion to pay both the rich and the poor. That's the math. TRumPeace Out.
La moderadora o esta muy incómoda o no entiende nada 🤔
No, she's fantastic!! Credit to her to hosting this discussion👏! How many in Google even think like she does? And she has stretched out of her comfort zone, cause she's a designer whose roped in an anthropological economist (I had no idea they existed!). All because she recognised this is a critical topic.
Even if she's not as articulate as a university lecturer like Jason (she probably works mostly off a screen, and English may be her second language), she didn't wait for perfect to act. She saw a gap & addressed it best she could. I wish they were more like her not just at Google, but in the world.
He say's the socialists reforms in the global south worked well because they seen growth after colonialism. It would of been hard not to grow after everything had been returned back to the people of the country. They probably would of grew at a faster rate if they took a free market approach after colonialism.
Then why aren't they growing faster now?
@@Mrraerae There's been a global pandamic
@@rnixon795 the data shows virtually no growth for decades. the pandemic hasn't been there for decaeds.
@@isaacw1752 there's been no growth in India?
Following the speaker on Twitter, it alarms me that a supposed expert in economics broadly rejects the notion that scarcity exists.
you mean jason hickel? he has written about how capitalism thrives on creating artificial scarcity, so he certainly doesn't deny it
Take grains for example, we are producing more grains per person compare to 1960 (population*1.5, grain*3), so the world should be more abundant with less famine. But no, if you take out China, the world is not doing better. The problem is structural and China has avoided it by rejecting the neoliberalism ideology promoted by the west (aka, modern financial colonisation).
I would agree. I live in Tahoe and 32 million dollar homes sit empty for most of the year.
Narrative
Absolute nonsense. The world was more "equal" when it was almost entirely impoverished.
??? Elaborate
Jason I am afraid your analysis seems biased to me. In your “flat graph” where the number of poor has not increased since 1980 when we exclude China, something demonstrably false as we see the poorest people on Earth have smart phones now, did you forget to add the +3 billion population increase, therefore increasing the people above the line by 3B? I understand that blaming everything on “colonialism” can make your followers feel good when they denounce it, but how can your analyses explain how countries of Westerns values like Greece, that were Ottoman colonies, now do better (in per capita GDP and other metrics) compared to their colonizers? Maybe there are other parameters at play you are not looking into? Sincerely.
You are judging development primarily in terms of industrialization, something he brings up in the video. Also you are wrong. Have you spent much time in slums in the third world? Part of the problem is framing development with the context of western institutions. I would suggest reading his book, as well as kicking down the ladder by the south korean economist that is mentioned.
@@kennethyoung7564 you tell me I am wrong without explaining to me how I am wrong (yes, I have been to slums in Africa), you do not answer any of the points I raised and then you tell me to buy the book of someone I just said I consider biased. If you helped me understand why he is not biased I would do it. Now, have you spent any time on countries that used to be colonies? How do you explain that in many cases these countries are doing better than their neighbors? Maybe colonialism was not only exploitation?
Must be privileged =|
@@Arahura2011 privilege unexamined may truly make you unhinged to reality. How are you sure you’re not the privileged one? Have you, personally, earned all the benefits you have compared to the other 7B people on earth? How did you “examine” this?
@@DD-ut2ew @DD i mean im pretty privileged in regards to the fact I don't live in a 3rd world country. Have a roof over my head, food in my belly, clothes on my back. But as an indigenous Native to my country, New Zealand. im not really treated as privileged lol(atleast imo[in my opinion]). From what i got from this whole video is basically the rich just fkx the poor and still continue to do. As a Maori, I feel strongly about the fact that we as people/culture shared our lands out of kindness, To which was repayed with cheated, stolen and profited off of land. To which were still fighting for to this day. So idk what you mean about unchecked privilege. But im assuming your genealogy/ancestors profited off the inequality he's speaking about. But idk man. Don't @ me 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️