I have a *DUMB* question. On a QWERTY if I want to type A, i press and hold then tap a then release shift. If you are accessing a layered key like [ do you have to hold the layer-change button(like shift for A) or do you tap and release it once such that the next and only next keypress is from that layer? Then if you want on, do you double tap the or something else? And if you are going to type a few numbers, do you hold the proper layer key down or double tap it to stay in that layer for a bit?
More than 36 keys is madness, imagine moving your arms to type... I only use 3 layers in total, and half of the last layer is for mouse controls, its so much easier to instinctively hammer out all the symbols I need everyday. Even the numpad is easier to use. Maybe 42 is nice for some people but I dislike using the pinky too much, cant recommend the change enough. But the first days it will take some adjusting for sure so I recommend learning a new layout while youre at it, Im loving Colemak DH its so much more satisfying to type on, if you couldnt already tell by the length of this comment.
42 keys is the sweet spot for me right now although I will most likely make the switch to 34 keys once I figure a good layout for my workflow. But honestly as long as you have light switches (20-25g) in your pinkies it really doesn't feel like the pinky is struggling to hit all those keys from personal experience.
I just thought you'd use home row mod keys... I don't get how a 34 layout could work without it. Do u planning to do some video showing the layout system in details?
Thank u, @@KyekOfficial. I just notice... I use the same OSM on a navLayer as yours ^^' But your layout put me to think and solve some issues I've been troubling since started my first 40%. The shift + space on the base layer was very important to me. Also the tab key, just in the middle of the zxcv shortcuts, was crucial to solve the problem of not being able to do some relevant shortcuts with just one hand. Moreover, I used your diagram as visual reference template to build mine :) Unfortunately, this board is limited to only 4 layers and I don't how to build a QMK firmware from the scratch without the sourcecode ._.
On the contrary, I decided to switch from dactyl to sweep due to pain in my thumbs. However, I'm not sure if this pain is due to dactyl, because I've been using it for 1.5 years and everything was ok. Perhaps a new smartphone with a large screen has influenced the appearance of these pains.
I code full time with my sweep and it is really satisfying, however, I definitely miss the numbers on their own row. My programming is a lot of maths and hex numbers and so I'm currently designing a pcb with numbers on it but with mx spacing as I'm tired of the low form factor!
One of my favourite parts about this hobby is seeing the inspirations that we give each other and what other people come up with. Good luck with your project!
I built a sweep but didn't really get used to it and am not currently using it. Though I think I'll try again at some point. The thing is, it wasn't the number of keys I had trouble with. I think it was the choc spacing and flat keyboard (as opposed to a keyboard with positive tilt and sculpted keycaps profile).
It's definitely not for everyone and that's ok. I'm also a bit tired of the flat keys that's why I'm really excited to get my hands on some ldsa keycaps soon.
@@vfauni5764 I originally said I'm NOT using it. I've since started using it, and I've been using it for many months now. I'm using it because I got used to my layout and I didn't bother to recreate it on my old keyboard. But I still find it a bit rough. I feel somewhat slow and insecure. I think it's some combination of choc spacing, keycaps, switches, aggressive column stagger and lack of tilt. I definitely plan to go back to mx switches. Maybe less aggressive stagger, too.
Benissimo, gli accenti che uso più frequentemente sono nel livello base e per gli altri il rallentamento dovuto al cambio di layer è praticamente inesistente.
I haven't started using my 34(switched to colemakdhm and I literally cannot work with it) keys yet and while it's MX I'm curious what a few people have mean when they say "tired" of low profile? Is it actual physical fatigue or tired cause its not fun or some other reason. Also wanna thank Kyek for helping me finish my board.
I built my kyria using kailh choc browns and what I feel is that it hits bottom whenever you press a button and this causes some stress to the fingers that wouldn't happen on full profile switches. If it was choc linears I think the same problem of bottoming out would be there. But I think this would apply for people who use and is used to linear switches.
I started with standard keyboards and proper 10 finger typing without any bad habits. I then purchased a Kyria and learned to type on it's layout in about 2 days. Took a bit longer to figure out the firmware on it, maybe a week of major changes and then small changes here and there over a long period. After more than a year on the Kyria I wanted to try choc switches so I went with the Sweep. The Sweep has the same layout as the Kyria, just less keys. So I already knew how to type on it, I just had to figure out what firmware to use. I'd say that it took about the same as the Kyria, one week with major changes to the firmware and then just small edits.
@@KyekOfficial nice! thanks for the detailed response, followup question. whats the best choc switches you've used and why? i have a handwired void ergo keyboard and currently using a feker pandas with swapped springs from my old gateron black switches and honestly kinda regret choosing the springs because its too heavy.
@@publicsalad218 I have used choc silvers and sunset. I really like both but I use the silvers more simply because I'm most comfortable when using linear switches.
@@KyekOfficial i tried reducing my keycaps on my handwired void ergo to match the sweep and replaced my keymap to callum style(with modifications but haven''t implemented his code for mods) daaaaamn its so comfy. Getting used to the shift on thumbs is kinda trippy though but it makes sense especially the symbol layer would be on your right thumb. overall i might stay on this 34 setup for a while
this is awesome. I've been using my ferris sweep for a while, and have thought of building a Kryia v2. I have homerow mods that are both good and bad. The ability to use these with just holding down the key is nice, but when trying to type quick the lag caused by the homerow mods can be annoying. Even though they will still type in the order I type. the lag on the screen causes me to hesitate. I will have to try this out. Side question: How have you enjoyed ZMK as compared to QMK? I'm assuming it is in part due to the Nice!nano's you have, I need to upgrade to those for sure.
I've always found the lag of homerow mods to be unusable, I find my setup (callum-style) to be infinitely more usable. In regards to ZMK, I prefer using it over QMK because QMK requires to have a local build environment for the most advanced features and fine-grained tuning while ZMK does not. Also, I like the syntax and documentation of ZMK a little bit more.
@@KyekOfficial OMG I feel the way you do according to lag and I just found callum inside /users... Im struggling to understand how to compile it though!!! Im used to config.h and keymap.c and all this about userspace is so confusing :(
I just started out to try home row mods this week, in my laptop keyboard, I was in love with the idea that "Home row Mods" provide , but was pretty disappointed by the same lag you mention, however much I tried to tinker with the timeouts , I was just not able to make it work... then I found out about chords ! They are working out for me very well for now. I use kanata(similar to kmonad) for my config as I don't have a mech/custom keyboard rn... will switch to thumb heavy usage once I get a mech/custom.
Not yet. When I first found it it required 3 thumb keys, so I had to come up with my own. I should check it out eventually though, even just to see what's up with it.
It has support for combos to access the "3rd" thumb key for 34 key keebs like the Sweep. Though I'm not sure if it's supported in its ZMK version at the moment.
@@frederickadan5160 I know that it does today. When I first looked at myrioku (last year) the support was not implemented yet. And yeah it's also implemented in zmk 🙂
I have a *DUMB* question. On a QWERTY if I want to type A, i press and hold then tap a then release shift. If you are accessing a layered key like [ do you have to hold the layer-change button(like shift for A) or do you tap and release it once such that the next and only next keypress is from that layer? Then if you want on, do you double tap the or something else? And if you are going to type a few numbers, do you hold the proper layer key down or double tap it to stay in that layer for a bit?
In all of your question, both options are possible. It's your choice and it depends on how you configure your firmware.
Hi, this is great. I was waiting for this video and layout so long. Thanks!!!
Work of art
I am very impressed, IMO 34 keys is masochism, but I have to admit that it looks as a working solution.
Imo stretching your fingers and leaving the home row keys is masochistic. But I thought like you only a year ago.
More than 36 keys is madness, imagine moving your arms to type...
I only use 3 layers in total, and half of the last layer is for mouse controls, its so much easier to instinctively hammer out all the symbols I need everyday.
Even the numpad is easier to use.
Maybe 42 is nice for some people but I dislike using the pinky too much, cant recommend the change enough.
But the first days it will take some adjusting for sure so I recommend learning a new layout while youre at it, Im loving Colemak DH its so much more satisfying to type on, if you couldnt already tell by the length of this comment.
42 keys is the sweet spot for me right now although I will most likely make the switch to 34 keys once I figure a good layout for my workflow. But honestly as long as you have light switches (20-25g) in your pinkies it really doesn't feel like the pinky is struggling to hit all those keys from personal experience.
Which VS Code theme/font are you using?
Also, can you play some Starcraft/Warcraft/AoE in a keyboard small as this?
I just thought you'd use home row mod keys... I don't get how a 34 layout could work without it. Do u planning to do some video showing the layout system in details?
Never thought of doing it but I could. Have you seen my layout diagram?
Nop. Sorry my newbier... Where is it ?
@@AlexdeJesusR It's here github.com/duckyb/zmk-sweep just scroll down to see the diagram
Thank u, @@KyekOfficial.
I just notice... I use the same OSM on a navLayer as yours ^^'
But your layout put me to think and solve some issues I've been troubling since started my first 40%. The shift + space on the base layer was very important to me. Also the tab key, just in the middle of the zxcv shortcuts, was crucial to solve the problem of not being able to do some relevant shortcuts with just one hand.
Moreover, I used your diagram as visual reference template to build mine :)
Unfortunately, this board is limited to only 4 layers and I don't how to build a QMK firmware from the scratch without the sourcecode ._.
Sorry... My comment with diagram just vanished =\
Is it against some rule post github links ? (not being the chanel owner)
I built a sweep but got some hand pains from it. Currently trying to build a dactyl
Sorry to hear that, hand pains are terrible. Wish you luck with the dactyl but always make sure to take some breaks as well.
On the contrary, I decided to switch from dactyl to sweep due to pain in my thumbs. However, I'm not sure if this pain is due to dactyl, because I've been using it for 1.5 years and everything was ok. Perhaps a new smartphone with a large screen has influenced the appearance of these pains.
I code full time with my sweep and it is really satisfying, however, I definitely miss the numbers on their own row. My programming is a lot of maths and hex numbers and so I'm currently designing a pcb with numbers on it but with mx spacing as I'm tired of the low form factor!
One of my favourite parts about this hobby is seeing the inspirations that we give each other and what other people come up with. Good luck with your project!
would a toggle layout for dedicated numbers works? I still using MO for numbers too.
I have a number layer so that with right thumb down I get a number keypad on the right hand. Is very good to enter any number quickly!
Lily58 comes with a numbers row no?
@@lpanebrwhich is better than having to reach for a keypad!
looks so nice
Hey! Great videoes! I'm ordering my first parts now. What kind of switches were you using in this video?
🙏 thanks. I'm using kailh choc silver with lubed springs
I built a sweep but didn't really get used to it and am not currently using it. Though I think I'll try again at some point.
The thing is, it wasn't the number of keys I had trouble with. I think it was the choc spacing and flat keyboard (as opposed to a keyboard with positive tilt and sculpted keycaps profile).
It's definitely not for everyone and that's ok. I'm also a bit tired of the flat keys that's why I'm really excited to get my hands on some ldsa keycaps soon.
You could try 3d printed sculpted and tilted caps too.
@@lunaumbra5179 those are actually on their way
Do you still use it?
@@vfauni5764 I originally said I'm NOT using it. I've since started using it, and I've been using it for many months now. I'm using it because I got used to my layout and I didn't bother to recreate it on my old keyboard. But I still find it a bit rough. I feel somewhat slow and insecure. I think it's some combination of choc spacing, keycaps, switches, aggressive column stagger and lack of tilt. I definitely plan to go back to mx switches. Maybe less aggressive stagger, too.
Are those chocs modded? Great video!
They are choc silvers with krytox 205g0 on the stem/rail and 105 oil on the springs (bag lubed)
hey Keyk, do you have this layout for qmk?
A year later is this still your daily driver?
I still use this keymap but my daily driver is the urchin keyboard
@@KyekOfficial Interesting thanks for the reply :)
what are those keycaps they look so good
MBK Legend: Black on White
is that vscode with vim keybinding? I'm curious🤔
Nope, it's regular VSCode. I have arrow keys on IJKL on one of my layers.
come ti trovi ad usare il layer degli accenti? riesci ad essere veloce nel scriverli? penso proprio che prendero` la ferris sweep come prima build
Benissimo, gli accenti che uso più frequentemente sono nel livello base e per gli altri il rallentamento dovuto al cambio di layer è praticamente inesistente.
How long does the keyboard battery last?
1.5 weeks main side, 1 month peripheral side. Google "ZMK Power profiler" to learn more.
@@KyekOfficial thank you friend
More then enough
Hi, what vs code theme do you use?
One Dark
Colours, colors, thanks, I hate it
I haven't started using my 34(switched to colemakdhm and I literally cannot work with it) keys yet and while it's MX I'm curious what a few people have mean when they say "tired" of low profile? Is it actual physical fatigue or tired cause its not fun or some other reason. Also wanna thank Kyek for helping me finish my board.
I built my kyria using kailh choc browns and what I feel is that it hits bottom whenever you press a button and this causes some stress to the fingers that wouldn't happen on full profile switches. If it was choc linears I think the same problem of bottoming out would be there. But I think this would apply for people who use and is used to linear switches.
How long did you get used to a 34 key?
I started with standard keyboards and proper 10 finger typing without any bad habits. I then purchased a Kyria and learned to type on it's layout in about 2 days.
Took a bit longer to figure out the firmware on it, maybe a week of major changes and then small changes here and there over a long period.
After more than a year on the Kyria I wanted to try choc switches so I went with the Sweep. The Sweep has the same layout as the Kyria, just less keys. So I already knew how to type on it, I just had to figure out what firmware to use.
I'd say that it took about the same as the Kyria, one week with major changes to the firmware and then just small edits.
@@KyekOfficial nice! thanks for the detailed response, followup question. whats the best choc switches you've used and why? i have a handwired void ergo keyboard and currently using a feker pandas with swapped springs from my old gateron black switches and honestly kinda regret choosing the springs because its too heavy.
@@publicsalad218 I have used choc silvers and sunset. I really like both but I use the silvers more simply because I'm most comfortable when using linear switches.
@@KyekOfficial i tried reducing my keycaps on my handwired void ergo to match the sweep and replaced my keymap to callum style(with modifications but haven''t implemented his code for mods) daaaaamn its so comfy. Getting used to the shift on thumbs is kinda trippy though but it makes sense especially the symbol layer would be on your right thumb. overall i might stay on this 34 setup for a while
@@KyekOfficial after using these years would you prefer using generally mx switch board or choc keyboard according to writing comfort and ergonomic?
the answer is yes
this is awesome. I've been using my ferris sweep for a while, and have thought of building a Kryia v2. I have homerow mods that are both good and bad. The ability to use these with just holding down the key is nice, but when trying to type quick the lag caused by the homerow mods can be annoying. Even though they will still type in the order I type. the lag on the screen causes me to hesitate. I will have to try this out.
Side question: How have you enjoyed ZMK as compared to QMK? I'm assuming it is in part due to the Nice!nano's you have, I need to upgrade to those for sure.
I've always found the lag of homerow mods to be unusable, I find my setup (callum-style) to be infinitely more usable.
In regards to ZMK, I prefer using it over QMK because QMK requires to have a local build environment for the most advanced features and fine-grained tuning while ZMK does not.
Also, I like the syntax and documentation of ZMK a little bit more.
@@KyekOfficial OMG I feel the way you do according to lag and I just found callum inside /users... Im struggling to understand how to compile it though!!!
Im used to config.h and keymap.c and all this about userspace is so confusing :(
@@Phantom-pj1ls just make your own version of the sticky mod keys
@@KyekOfficial I wish it was that easy. Plus I use qmk I don't even know how to compile your files hahaha
I just started out to try home row mods this week, in my laptop keyboard, I was in love with the idea that "Home row Mods" provide , but was pretty disappointed by the same lag you mention, however much I tried to tinker with the timeouts , I was just not able to make it work... then I found out about chords ! They are working out for me very well for now. I use kanata(similar to kmonad) for my config as I don't have a mech/custom keyboard rn... will switch to thumb heavy usage once I get a mech/custom.
Have you tried manna-harbour's miryoku layout?
Not yet. When I first found it it required 3 thumb keys, so I had to come up with my own.
I should check it out eventually though, even just to see what's up with it.
It has support for combos to access the "3rd" thumb key for 34 key keebs like the Sweep. Though I'm not sure if it's supported in its ZMK version at the moment.
@@frederickadan5160 I know that it does today. When I first looked at myrioku (last year) the support was not implemented yet.
And yeah it's also implemented in zmk 🙂
bruh, just copy paste, lol