As far as not having Miranda Rights memorized… many departments have policy to read directly off the card at all times. It reduced potential misreading of rights and the physical act of taking the card out has been shown to have less incidences of officers forgetting to do it.
When I was a Cub Scout (a long, long time before body cameras), the local PD gave us a tour of their HQ. At one point, the officer giving the tour pulled out his Miranda rights card and read it to us. He said he had it memorized, but it was department policy that each officer read from their Miranda rights card. Some of the reasons said that that is policy is (1) there are no mistakes and (2) if questioned in court about an alleged criminal's Miranda rights, an officer just needs to say he/she read the alleged criminal's Miranda rights from the card and then pulls out the card.
I saw in a movie where the new cop starts reading the Miranda rights from memory, the older says "where's your damn card?" The rookie says, "i don't need it, i have it memorised." The other cop says to always carry the card- it was actually a comedy, but there was also wisdom in the dialogue.
I wish I could have had Mr. Rivers as a professor in school. He explains some fairly complex legal ideas into easy to understand and utilize information in so many of his videos.
@noname-4u I honestly wasn’t. I was being honest. If you were in some of the law classes I had with some of the professors I had you’d understand. Besides, don’t worry about what I’m doing or saying.
Re memorize: I worked for the state and there was a circumstance that if a specific topic was brought up by a client we HAD to stop and read the blue card. We were told not to memorize it to read it off the card so we don't forget any part. I had it memorized but always picked up the card and read it off. The officer may have been trained to not recite from memory but to read off the card.
Yeah, it looked like he had it memorized, because he skipped to the fact that an attorney would be provided, caught himself and mentioned FIRST, that he had a right to an attorney, then flipped the card over before he then repeated the part about how if you can't afford one, one will be provided. It's to keep from skipping portions like that which is exactly why they read it off the card.
When I saw this clip last night, the first thing I thought was, I need to know what Bruce Rivers has to say about this matter! Listening to CLR restores my faith in humanity. Great values, great advice, realistic and funny… I’m so glad I found this channel. Bruce is so entertaining even the commercials slap!
With several hours passed before he took action, you would have thought he would have gone to an attorney to get advice and then arranged to turn himself in.
@@Atlas93 Daunte Wright, Tamir rice, Geoerge floyd, Breona taylor and the list goes on and on. Racist cops targeting black people and cant even do their jobs right.
The value - just fyi- coming from being a cop myself- of having someone’s SSN is to have the opportunity to run a full 43 (ten code) or CCH. It basically allows dispatch to do a deeper dive in to the person’s background, criminal history, body marks tattoos piercings etc., gang affiliation, so on. Since the subject didn’t provide his ID AND is admitting to the commission of a crime (a form of homicide, specifically), it’s best to know a FULL report from dispatch. When I run someone by name/dob or DL, I get a certain “return” back and if it’s printed, it’s a minimal “report.” IF, however, someone gives you their social, it opens the floodgates and lets you in on anything…..if they have a mark on their left butt cheek, it’ll be in that return (report). “Return” or “returns” is “cop lingo” for “results” or “reports.” I’ve had this happen before to me when I was in between calls at the PD. The Officers did things right, but you’ve always gotta keep in mind how “the moment I put cuffs on someone, it’s (basically) game over.” Even if you’re JUST detaining them….it’s based off of a reasonableness factor. Would a reasonable person believe they were under arrest? If I “detain” someone in handcuffs and esp put them in the back of my patrol car, then yes, a reasonable person would think they’re being arrested (no matter how many times you might say “you’re only being detained” it doesn’t matter). I think since a lot of newer officers out there aren’t well-versed in what to do in these situations (and it will happen to you, it doesn’t matter the city, state, jurisdiction…..if you’re a cop, it’ll happen one day)…..so be prepared. Unless theyre an active threat, you don't put cuffs on. Period. Get as much info as possibłe BEFORE jumping to detain a compliant person. Always mirandize when you think the subject is talking tooooo much in a situation like this, cuffs on or not. Basicałły, Bruce Rivers…..iʼll be the cop answering your rhetoricał questions lol. I think as you went thru this, it was a great assessment. And very very accurate to “real life” situations cops run into. There’s no lie there-cops and criminal attorneys (prosecutors and defense attorneys both) see some unbelievably crazy ish. I hope that at least cleared up the question as to why the request for SSN. Hypothetically, if the guy was wanted in 4 states for murder, a normal name/dob or DL check would come back with those returns. But anything federal? Anything civil? Child support? ICE? Etc. That’s the importance of a SSN. I actually had an anomale of a traffic stop once. I had stopped a woman at night for a minor violation, like a tail light out or something like that. This woman was foreign, didn’t have an ID to provide, so I asked for a passport…she provided me a foreign passport. I then asked if she has a SSN, she did! Crazy I know. Had I not have asked for her SSN, I would’ve documented the stop and went about my business. However, this woman had a federal warrant for human trafficking (actually being the person trafficking others) and I was brand new, thus was 15+ yrs ago, and I was like…holy ish! Had I not have checked her by social, then none of that would’ve come up. Nothing federal-level comes up, or rather, it’s rare to see people on the FBIs watch list or fugitive list, etc etc to just come up by a check solely from name and dob. I taught all of my rookies to ask for socials but ONLY in the right circumstances and this one was fully appropriate in my professional opinion. I’m against the initial instance of handcuffing though. 100%, he shouldn’t have handcuffed a compliant person. He could’ve been turning himself in for stealing the bottle of water, for all we know. We have to get out of the cultural problem of handcuffing first, asking questions second. Maybe I’m just one of the few legit ones left it seems like but that’s my opinion on it all. (edited due to minor typo)
@@shithole3617 Police became your employer? Bc their job is to get the correct people off the street. Let’s be clear…it’s only in the event of an arrest, and 2. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.
Hi Bruce, as you get closer to 1 million subscribers I urge that you don’t change and get caught up in the hype of fame. The reason I subscribed is because you did high quality reviews and you are genuine! So please stay that way. Don’t change because you have been Real all this time!
He intentionally killed the person though, this was all planned by him. It’s actually sinister, watching him act like he’s “admitting guilt” when he killed the lady about to kick him out.
I've heard of cases being thrown out because the cop said one word wrong or used a synonym in the Miranda rights, and the lawyer was able to successfully argue that they were technically not read their rights according to the law.... so it's become policy in a lot of places to read it exactly word for word from a card.
Hi Bruce. I am surprised you didn't make any further comment on Brian's statement about them "arguing when she was drunk and high". Wouldn't you agree that's a pretty big red flag that he really shot her out of rage and not by accident? Or at the very least, the prosecution could make that argument, which would be very bad for him?
Right?? I was really surprised most his commentary was totally accepting as fact the “showing her the gun” story. It sounds really suspicious to me with him admitting their ongoing arguing.
@@Tofu_va_Bien The dude literally couldn't help but admit she was impossible to be around. If that's what he says about her when he's trying to make this look like an accident, what do you think he really thinks?
@@jeremiahm86his whole channel is speculating on witness testimony. So if someone goes on about how terrible the victim is, that can be used as a motive in the trial.
He was just starting to complain about how hard it was for him to be with her due to her drug and alcohol consumption. That, paired with his emotionless demeanor, makes me think this crime may well be more complex.
@@Bigbubba3031 Sure, I agree with you, I think he's gulity as sin, but the cops and even Bruce Rivers shake their heads. Where's the evidence that this was intentional? It can pass as a mistake without more evidence. He got scared and took a day to turn himself in. He's in trouble for careless use of a firearm and failure to get her emergency care, but he may get literally get away with murder.
I work with foster kids and we have a rights form that we have to go over with them on quite a regular basis. I know these rights, but I will keep reading from the paper so I know each and every time I explained in full. As the form states one of their rights is to fully understand their rights as a foster child
Thank you for your work. Our foster systems need serious reform and the best of the best people to make them as good a system as possible for already traumatized kids
Hey Bruce! I've been told to always read someone their Miranda Rights exactly verbatim from a card while on body cam so there can be no arguing that you misread them the rights or missed even a single word bringing into question the validity of the reading to the arrestee. We all definitely have it memorized, just another thing to cover our bases. Fruit for thought is all.
Yeah I’m not even American and I completely understood why the officer chose to do it this way. I found it very condescending and ignorant of Bruce to comment on it the way he did.
I mean that's usually best practice for something like this. I always double check numbers with a calculator even though I've always done basic arithmetic in my head, and if you found out your engineer was just winging it and not double checking work you'd be pissed.
I have to commend this guy for turning himself in to police, not many people would do that if possibly facing a murder charge. But on the other hand, why did he not call 911 and the police when it first happened? Thank you for clarifying this case.. ♥️ your channel!
He’s guilty , when you shoot someone by accident and chose not to alert Authorities immediately and you let person bleed to death you know what you’re doing cause if that person you shot was your mum , what would you have done
@@tristan583 Not necasserily, you're probably right but it's foolish to assume everyone would react the same logical calm way after killing a friend that you supposedly would. There's countless different and weird ways people react to trauma
@@phoenixmodellingphotography you never assume a person you shot is already dead if you claim that’s an accident before the medical examiner, that’s not what a grown man does , grown the fuck up , read the law and know the appropriate action to take anytime such things happens
A lot of trial attorneys are amazing storytellers and if you ever get the chance to hang out at a bar with one you should always take it. My sadly now deceased friend and mentor was a criminal defense attorney so I got to hang out with not just him, but his other lawyer friends, and those nights were more entertaining than any concert, movie, comedy act, or pretty much anything else I could have possibly been doing. I miss those times so much.
14:40 exactly thank you. As a gun owner myself, these types of tragedies are so infuriating. The type of scenario this guy described is just the type of thing that my firearm safety class I took as a kid would constantly train you to both prevent, and intervene in if you were to witness it. I don’t know a single person who would actually be the type of person that I would show a gun to, that would need it demonstrated for them. If they aren’t familiar with firearms, then I won’t handle firearms around them. If you’re that much a novice, then you need proper training before handling an actual firearm. They are deadly weapons, not water balloons 🎈
So what? You want someone to take a new gun owner to the range even if they're 40? Not everyone grows up around guns. Your statement has quite alot of personal bias and is absolutely ridiculous.
And yes. If I'm buying a gun from you I want to know everything is mechanically sound. Noone wants to see you whip out your lil gun but I damn sure wanna see what I purchase works. Why else would I give af you "show" it to me. Do you test drive a car? You do. You don't just say hey, show it to me and I'll trust you it works. Smdh
@@Pretermit_SoundI think you are right. What difference does it make how old the person is, if he knows nothing about guns, you dont just hand them a loaded gun and tell them to try it out. Although I dont see a problem if the gun is UNLOADED.
@@Redspeciality no, absolutely not, and the first thing you typically do when handling someone a weapon is check to see if it’s unloaded. Preferably in a manner that’s obvious to the other person.
If he called the police they would see he was intoxicated or they could’ve saved her, and they would hear her side of the story. Maybe he wanted her to bleed out?
@@jackster2568 "Denied, and I'm speculating on kicking your ass up and down this court if you object to one more thing you gaybo" - That's me if I was a cool judge 😎
When they said "calmly confesses" they were not kidding. It's kinda creepy how chill he is about having killed someone. I think I'd be even more freaked out if I accidentally killed someone vs intentionally.
That’s just the personalities of different people… billions of us and you still haven’t seen it all. This is just another type of personality that would only show the freaking out when he’s alone and not infront of others
@@michelewheldon7183 it’s crazy how many people are saying this guy is in shock. Me and you both know if we were in the same situation we would call the police right away and render aid. This guy is reckless, didn’t render aid, and only told someone a day later. I think the term shock is overused. It seems to me like he realized he messed up by not calling 911 right away and now is trying to explain it with a lazy defense.
I think you nailed it. He would've been incoherent after it happened so I reckon he needed time to get his head straight. Even though it looked weird casually admitting the shooting when he did it made sense to him. What happened to him by the way?
Thank you and i really appreciate your viewpoint. I wondered about his self snitching and glad to hear your view on it. How sad for this man to have to live with this now and for her to have lost her life in such a senseless way.
I think the card is a great idea personally. Especially since you just know that there will be a lawyer that makes an issue out of you says “and”instead of “or”. I work in the medical field…we do checklists all the time in high risk situations if it is possible. Pilots as well. These are some of the highest stakes of the entire job…the consequences of any error are a total invalidation of all the work you or anyone else does from that point on until someone realizes and corrects the error or duplicates the process but does it properly.
More than a couple of multi-million dollar suits have turned on a single comma. I agree, cops should make sure they are reading or reciting Miranda verbatim
Knowing how prosecutors like to make plea deals and sometimes even really nasty criminals get sweet deals, this guy seems like the sort that they would be happy to settle outside of trial. But now that he has confessed, he really needs to lawyer up.
I love how trusting everyone is that he’s telling the truth! I guess if you ever find yourself wanting to murder someone, all you’ve got to do is shoot them directly in the face, then call the police and say that you accidentally shot the victim while showing them your gun. Everybody apparently just automatically assumes that’s what happened, and kudos to you for coming forward and handing yourself in!
Nice breakdown. I would love for you to do one of the Carrie Culberson Case in Blanchester, Ohio. I knew both Carrie and Vincent. It has all the makings of a crime novel.
Yeah. And how do non public defender attorneys get appointed by the court? Is there some type of system where everybody has to do so many a year? I would be interested to hear more.
When Bruce asked why he doesn’t have the Miranda Rights memorized I figured reading off a card or out your notebook was common place. Here in Canada when I did some training I was taught early no matter how much you remember always read from the card, cause you don’t want to start this arrest jacked up lol. Take the few seconds to make sure it’s done right for everyone.
Uh what? We don’t have the “Miranda Rights” here in Canada. Our charter rights that are read are not nearly as strict either. All that needs to be done is a blunt statement of why they’re being arrested. A quick statement so they understand they have rights to a lawyer, but not to having a lawyer present while questioning, and that they have the right to remain silent if they chose to do so.
@@Bigmikeystan I said Miranda’s Rights because that’s what was used in the arrest since it’s America and what Bruce commented on. Best practices too are mostly transferable. Ya you still have to be read your rights upon arrest here in Canada as well (obviously not Miranda Rights). The best practice is to read from a card or out your note book if you have too. Why chance making a screw up when you can take an extra few seconds to just read it word for word. It only takes you to omit one right or freedom to have things go sideways.
I learned to stop self snitchin' way back in 1996. It was just after I'd turned 18 and a friend of my brother asked me if I could pawn some things for him because he needed rent and he didn't have any ID. I was all, "You gotta get me a Whopper meal." He agreed and I took him to an apartment complex, where after a few minutes he came out with a bunch of electronics. We were then off to the pawn shop! I used my ID, got him the cash, and got my Whopper meal. I was happy as a clam! When I got back home, I found a mentally disabled woman that I knew, wailing in the street. I asked her what had happened, and she proceeded to tell me that she had been robbed of ALL OF THE THINGS that I had just pawned!!!!! I told her that I would get it back, but I didn't have the money. So I called the local police department. I told the operator what had happened and they transferred me to a Desk Sergeant. I told him what happened... and without missing a beat he told me that I was the one who committed the crime, and I had just confessed! I freaked out and exclaimed, "Good luck arresting me because I never gave you any of my information!" and hung up on him (I didn't think about Caller ID or their tracing it 'cuz I was young & dumb)! In the end, my mother went to the police station with me and explained the situation. They couldn't go after the guy who tricked me, but they did let me off with a warning and the woman ended up getting her stuff back. About 10 years later, money got tight, so I went to pawn some things and found out that I had been banned for pawning stolen property. So I didn't get away scott-free.
I’m inspired by these videos to study law even at 31 I’m inspired by the lawyer who helped defend me successfully in a domestic situation where I was the actual one hit I ended up being given an apology from the district prosecutor of Seattle
Find yourself a non-Western female sir. There is no hope with Western women. They are (for some unknown reason forever agitated, angry, restless and lack any sort of peace and contentment). Even though you did not assault her, you had to spend time and money to get off. Imagine if you were a minimum wage blue collar worker. Pro bono court appointed attorneys just get you to plead 99% of the time unless you push the issue and are aware of what is happening. Sadly, most Western men have become simps.
I started law school last year at 35. There are several people in their 40's and some even older in my class. Don't let anyone tell you that you are too old. You have decades of a career ahead of you. You can do this and good luck.
Love your channel, Attorney Rivers! I’m a 3L graduating from law school next month, and yours is by far my favorite legal channel. Also, I find the quirks of Miranda so interesting. For example, I learned last year about how being in prison is *not* considered “in custody” for purposes of Miranda. Just found that so counterintuitive.
I worked at a law firm in the cities for 15 years. Wish I had found your channel a few years ago. I would have been looking for job openings at your firm. But we picked up and left Minnesota in January to travel the country for a few years. Unfortunately, we won't be settling back down in Minnesota once we're done traveling. Most likely we'll end up in New Mexico or Hawaii.
I've worked for a few firms and solo practices and if I was in his area I would be beating down Bruce's door. Hundreds of copies of my resume would spontaneously come flying out of the air vents and through the windows. I got along well with my past bosses, but you don't come across one like him every day.
With my case know expunged I’m more willing to talk about my experience with the law. In 2019 I was charged with a class 3 felony of malicious wounding… of who? My father, unfortunately. It was mid-day and I had just woken up to a very high tension household with my parents angry and my little brother in-trouble (I was 18 at the time). I went downstairs to get some food when a massive argument unfolded… I’ve never seen anyone in the house so angry in my life. I had grabbed a plate from the counter at the time and when I got heated I slammed the plate back onto the counter amongst other plates causing a load crashing sound. My father in the other room quickly came around a blind corner as I was leaving the room and I, blind natural instincts, interpreted in the nanosecond I had he was charging at me, like full on running (he claims he was never running but we still disagree). I quickly stumbled back into the room and when we DID come into physical contact I grabbed a pair of scissors on the counter and I stabbed him in the back and in a moment we ended on the ground. Neither of us remember how we ended up grabbled on the ground but we did… he went to the emergency room and I took a shower and changed clothes when suddenly I got a call from the police (I’ma be honest, I didn’t realise police called people, maybe an abnormal event who knows). I turned myself into the police at the local police station and waited in the empty lobby for 15~30 minutes before an officer pulled up in his cruiser and came into the building. We went into the interogation room where I told him the ENTIRE story from my perspective. From there he hand cuffed me from the front (act of kindness) with the cuffs so loose I could easily slip out without any effort and we drove to the count-house to get me booked. When in the count-house I was put in front of the magistrate where I was upfront and honest and with good words said from the cop I was out (after fingerprinting and everything else) with $3000 unsecured bond. The magistrate was very nervous though cause I had no other family in the state and I has to return to the same house the incident happened in. In the end, the prosecutor dropped the charges with no community service or any sort of programs. I always knew I shouldn’t talk to the police but frankly, in this one exception I am glad I did as it’s probably the only reason I got out on bail and wasn’t held in jail overnight. Even now the officer who arrested me shops at my place of work and we are cordial and frankly, other than the ludicrous legal expenses, it was a positive outcome where nothing ended up happening. Now me and my father have a better relationship than we ever had in our lives and I spend more time with him than I used to. Anyways, that’s my case.
Glad things worked out for you and with your dad. I’m curious though, why was your first instinct to stab him? Even if you did feel physically threatened, I don’t think the immediate reaction of most people would be to stab their dad in the middle of a squabble.
Wow! Thank goodness he recovered. Your story is completely understandable in how it all enfolded and why you reacted that way. I'm glad you and your dad are doing well and spending more time together. It's great that he's forgiven you To be believed by the officer must have been a huge relief to you. The whole episode and outcome must have felt surreal.
Police Academy Instructor: So what? Do you think the criminal is just going to walk up to you & turn themselves in, peacefully!? Give you a full confession!? It doesn't work like that! Let me be the 1st to inform you, that's not going to happen! You have to do real, hard investigative WORK! ...👀💯
I wish this channel was a thing back in 2014-2016. I couldve picked up tips from Bruce and maybe kept my ass out of some of the trouble i got myself into
He may have said it 1000 times but he still reads off the card to not make mistakes that lawyers like you could use to get the defendant off of the charges. Same with the SFSTs.
Most definitely one of THE best channels I’ve come across on RUclips! Both entertaining and informative. You say it as it is, which is very refreshing (and funny!). Looking forward to going back through your posts. Keep up the great work. Subscribed 😊👌
i’ve seen another video of someone going to confess but it was the exact opposite. we was sobbing, breaking down into pieces of a man. it wasn’t coherent all you could understand was that he killed someone. i think it was a hit and run. it was heartbreaking in a way that makes this one utterly creepy. like this guy doesn’t care.
I'm with you. If it was truly an accident, combined with turning himself in. I'd want to go easy on him. Short sentence probation and restitution to the family... If he did it on purpose and turned himself in to try to get away with it, which does happen in other crimes. I'm sure you know what I mean. Then throw the book at his face and walk away.
He needed to talk to an atty to make sure before he confessed that he knew what he was doing. Odds are if you wander into a police station and randomly confess to something that it won’t work out so always get legal advice before confessing.
What I found surprising about the police response was how relaxed they were about getting medical aid to the address. Chances are she was deceased, but they couldn't be sure...
@@markmack2746 they seem to not have much sense of urgency with first aid very often. How many people have died in police custody after waiting for 20-30 minutes for an ambulance when cops could have helped while they were wanting? It seems pretty common.
@@tiffanyholman4028 you're not wrong. I have noticed they don't really put a lot of effort into rendering aid when it comes to some folks. Kind of sucks to see as a human being.
@@tiffanyholman4028 Very few. It's been conclusively proven, for example, that moving patients by helicopter affords them nearly zero benefit compared to an ambulance. It's also been shown countless times that ambulances which drive annoyingly slowly are better than ambulances which rush to and/or from the scene. the extra damage caused by accidents while going slightly faster more than cancels out any possible gains from getting there faster. Also, in this particular case, it is impossible to rush as they don't know where she is, and she has been dead all night anyways.
@@boldCactuslad I did EMT stuff for a bit, this is basically true. The immediate care afforded by medics is what saves lives, hospitals just help with recovery. Getting there faster is very rarely what does the trick.
It's one thing to be scared, but running away and not calling 911 right away to try to get her help makes him look guilty. But, it will make him look good in court by turning himself into the police. It just blows my mind how many people act like they have no idea what a lawyer is or what their rights are.
If, he did not call an Ambulance, it was no accident... If, he had called for medical help, then the police would have been involved. I wonder what she had on him? This guy is a slick one!
Yeah... I literally live in Miami Township ... right by the Dayton Mall. This guy was turning himself in at the Miamisburg Police Department - about 4 miles down the road from where I live (Miamisburg is the incorporated section of Miami Township).
The reason he reads Miranda off the card at @11:03 is probably because it’s department policy. If you force the officers on your department to only read rights while reading off the card, then it’s way less likely for a cop to forget/improperly mirandize which could be crucial when a prosecutor has to build a case against the suspect. I’d be extremely surprised if this cop (or any cop) doesn’t have the Miranda perfectly memorized straight out of police academy.
He was homeless and it’s my belief he was trying to grift off his female friend and when she said no he flipped out. He turned himself in because he was tired of the homeless life and knew prison would be easier.
If I were the deputy, I'd ABSOLUTELY read the Miranda warning off a card for each and every single arrest I ever made. Even if I were certain I had it memorized, that card is coming out, and I'm reading word for word what it says. Why? That way, there's no chance of me ever making a mistake. Nobody can come back later and argue something like "well you actually said such and such, which changed the meaning of what you told me because this particular word you used is different from this other word you should've used, even though they're commonly used as interchangeable in daily life." It's a protective thing, and wouldn't be because I don't have it memorized, but rather to ensure that I get every single work perfectly correct. It's similar to pilots that have thousands of hours flying using check lists for fairly simple tasks when flying an airplane. It's not because they don't know what to do, but rather to make absolutely certain that nothing is omitted or done incorrectly, despite already having every step memorized.
Tangential, but Dreading just uploaded an 8+ hour video compilation on why you should never take the stand in your own defense. It's a self-snitchin' marathon!
This actually makes me think a person could decide to kill another person and that 2-3 years is worth it. So just shoot them in cold blood, then go to police station and claim accident. I mean with 2-3 years you could probably be out in half that time. For all we know that’s what this guy did. He was talking about this lady like he had some kind of issue with her. There’s lots of older men who randomly murder women all the time while seeming to be perfectly normal old dudes.
I know from DPS database information side that the SSN is sometimes asked because there might be multiple people with the same name (or same sounding name) but different SSNs. Sure they can lie about both or either, but memorizing another's SSN is super rare.
Cops ask about the social security number to make a case. If you can easily remember your SS number, but claim to have a hard time remembering the night before, it makes you look more guilty. And the insanity plea is out the window
I think the cop was hoping he would quit talking...BTWs each state phrases Miranda slightly different, asks if they understand each one, and then go to the next sentence/phrase. Some states have to offer Miranda in more than one language as you know...so, last cop that lived in our neighborhood said they're required to read off the card, some have to initial after each sentence.
There is no such thing as “accidentally” shooting someone. There are ways to handle a fire arm and the number one rule is never point the barrel at anything you don’t wanna shoot. It’s pretty simple you could also idk take your fingers off the trigger, keep the safety on, take the bullets out. I mean I learned this shit playing with airsoft guns. So if you mistakenly shoot someone it’s a crime, and you should be in jail and never have owned a firearm.
Accidental discharges happen with modern handguns (not revolvers) look it up on RUclips. There’s a particular video of a guy at the range with an instructor and the bullet primer is struck while doing a cycle of a round. No finger on the trigger either and even the instructor even witnessed it and told him it was out of his control.
friendly fire or hunting accidents --- avoidable but they happen a disastrous ricochet --- avoidable but it happens so i would keep an open mind until i had conclusive evidence.
This is why training in operating and weapon safety should be mandatory for anyone who wants to own a weapon. We do that for driving. And generally guns are more hazardous than cars. A little common sense could go a long way in accident prevention.
I wonder if he's in the early stages of Alzheimer's or dementia. The symptoms of both get worse at night and under emotional stress. He may really have had a difficult time mentally processing what to do.
I appreciate that they do the miranda from the card. It guarantees that it's properly done and can't be a problem later. I would assume it's department policy that it be read from the card even if they know it by heart.
I look forward to when you react to Evil Stepmother and current Queen of Self-Snitchin', Letecia Stauch, who is currently on trial for the heinous murder of her 11-year-old step-son Gannon.
😂 I love the hat on the desk ❤.. I really wish you were in New Orleans, LA… I pray you are well mr Rivers Becareful & thanks for keeping Real with Us 🤞🏾❤
@6:30 Crazy thing I found out, if Police want to verify you are who you say you are, they'll ask for your social security number. This is common for ICE investigations as well as when suspects don't have a valid ID on their persons. In conjuncture with your social security number, Police will ask for your phone number as well. You learn more every day.
Depending on the gun... Yes. Because a hammer can be pushed back near click and well accident. Knew a guy that cleaned his gun, reloaded it, let the slide go and shot his dick... Dude is a cop now lives in Selma, Alabama... A dumb ass idiot. He's a 3stripe.
That’s not true A revolver can fire if the hammer slips when cocking it to half or full - also a semi auto slide type can go off from a slam fire by hitting the slide release It’s why you don’t point the barrel of a gun at anything you don’t intend to shoot
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As far as not having Miranda Rights memorized… many departments have policy to read directly off the card at all times. It reduced potential misreading of rights and the physical act of taking the card out has been shown to have less incidences of officers forgetting to do it.
Yeah, my guess is that it's the officers taking no chances at all on this.
Nice name brother
Fair enough man
And it seemed a long version?
Exactly, in 2023 what officer is going to chance it. Read from the card, every time.
Bruce Rivers is exactly the sort of lawyer you need.
I'd like a ice cream date.😊
@@suzanne296 okay suga momma 🤣 you need some water?
Sure, you aren't coming home till 2058.
@@Elon_Tusks 😂😂😂😂😂
Who is he?
Reading Miranda off the card is sort of like pilots having a preflight checklist; they're just making sure they cover all the bases properly.
When I was a Cub Scout (a long, long time before body cameras), the local PD gave us a tour of their HQ. At one point, the officer giving the tour pulled out his Miranda rights card and read it to us. He said he had it memorized, but it was department policy that each officer read from their Miranda rights card. Some of the reasons said that that is policy is (1) there are no mistakes and (2) if questioned in court about an alleged criminal's Miranda rights, an officer just needs to say he/she read the alleged criminal's Miranda rights from the card and then pulls out the card.
@@EUCvibes It's a gift and a curse.
@@bob_mosavo
A gift for you, but a curse for anybody
who has the misfortune of running across your RUclips comments.
Liar liar pants on fire
🤥 🤥 👖 on 🔥
@@skelter1153 I gave your ole lady a gift! 🎁 🍆
I saw in a movie where the new cop starts reading the Miranda rights from memory, the older says "where's your damn card?" The rookie says, "i don't need it, i have it memorised." The other cop says to always carry the card- it was actually a comedy, but there was also wisdom in the dialogue.
I wish I could have had Mr. Rivers as a professor in school. He explains some fairly complex legal ideas into easy to understand and utilize information in so many of his videos.
@noname-4u I honestly wasn’t. I was being honest. If you were in some of the law classes I had with some of the professors I had you’d understand. Besides, don’t worry about what I’m doing or saying.
Re memorize: I worked for the state and there was a circumstance that if a specific topic was brought up by a client we HAD to stop and read the blue card. We were told not to memorize it to read it off the card so we don't forget any part. I had it memorized but always picked up the card and read it off.
The officer may have been trained to not recite from memory but to read off the card.
Yeah, it looked like he had it memorized, because he skipped to the fact that an attorney would be provided, caught himself and mentioned FIRST, that he had a right to an attorney, then flipped the card over before he then repeated the part about how if you can't afford one, one will be provided. It's to keep from skipping portions like that which is exactly why they read it off the card.
When I saw this clip last night, the first thing I thought was, I need to know what Bruce Rivers has to say about this matter! Listening to CLR restores my faith in humanity. Great values, great advice, realistic and funny… I’m so glad I found this channel. Bruce is so entertaining even the commercials slap!
should i put the mic down
It hurts me to say but entertaining is a great word to describe it, despite the tragedy that occurred.
pls do the florida teens that killed their friend and talked their way into life sentences by being completely honest with the detectives
Ooooo I need to find this one.
Me too!!
@13orrax what case is that?
Do you have a link or anything? Id like to read the story
Any names or details to find it 😂😂😂
just to note - they were ALL thieves. No honor among thieves.
With several hours passed before he took action, you would have thought he would have gone to an attorney to get advice and then arranged to turn himself in.
Depends on the time of day a y. Not many offices function at night.
Over a day
He must have been drunk with his girlfriend when it happened woke up hungover and needed time to sober up and try to think clearly about what to do
@@alexxx5749 he said he didn't drink.
Agreed, but he's jobless and homeless.
Even if you have Miranda memorized, it's a good idea just to read the card. That minimizes the risk of screw-up.
Here in Georgia, they don't have to read the full Miranda rights.
In some states they require police to physically read it off a little card word for word so that it can't be claimed that the cop skipped a part.
@@DetectiveTrupo203 ok
@@Bigbubba3031 Why did you feel the need to throw the "racist" part in there? It seems like you're projecting quite a lot there, buddy.
@@Atlas93 Daunte Wright, Tamir rice, Geoerge floyd, Breona taylor and the list goes on and on. Racist cops targeting black people and cant even do their jobs right.
The value - just fyi- coming from being a cop myself- of having someone’s SSN is to have the opportunity to run a full 43 (ten code) or CCH. It basically allows dispatch to do a deeper dive in to the person’s background, criminal history, body marks tattoos piercings etc., gang affiliation, so on. Since the subject didn’t provide his ID AND is admitting to the commission of a crime (a form of homicide, specifically), it’s best to know a FULL report from dispatch. When I run someone by name/dob or DL, I get a certain “return” back and if it’s printed, it’s a minimal “report.” IF, however, someone gives you their social, it opens the floodgates and lets you in on anything…..if they have a mark on their left butt cheek, it’ll be in that return (report). “Return” or “returns” is “cop lingo” for “results” or “reports.” I’ve had this happen before to me when I was in between calls at the PD. The Officers did things right, but you’ve always gotta keep in mind how “the moment I put cuffs on someone, it’s (basically) game over.” Even if you’re JUST detaining them….it’s based off of a reasonableness factor. Would a reasonable person believe they were under arrest? If I “detain” someone in handcuffs and esp put them in the back of my patrol car, then yes, a reasonable person would think they’re being arrested (no matter how many times you might say “you’re only being detained” it doesn’t matter). I think since a lot of newer officers out there aren’t well-versed in what to do in these situations (and it will happen to you, it doesn’t matter the city, state, jurisdiction…..if you’re a cop, it’ll happen one day)…..so be prepared. Unless theyre an active threat, you don't put cuffs on. Period. Get as much info as possibłe BEFORE jumping to detain a compliant person. Always mirandize when you think the subject is talking tooooo much in a situation like this, cuffs on or not. Basicałły, Bruce Rivers…..iʼll be the cop answering your rhetoricał questions lol. I think as you went thru this, it was a great assessment. And very very accurate to “real life” situations cops run into. There’s no lie there-cops and criminal attorneys (prosecutors and defense attorneys both) see some unbelievably crazy ish. I hope that at least cleared up the question as to why the request for SSN. Hypothetically, if the guy was wanted in 4 states for murder, a normal name/dob or DL check would come back with those returns. But anything federal? Anything civil? Child support? ICE? Etc. That’s the importance of a SSN. I actually had an anomale of a traffic stop once. I had stopped a woman at night for a minor violation, like a tail light out or something like that. This woman was foreign, didn’t have an ID to provide, so I asked for a passport…she provided me a foreign passport. I then asked if she has a SSN, she did! Crazy I know. Had I not have asked for her SSN, I would’ve documented the stop and went about my business. However, this woman had a federal warrant for human trafficking (actually being the person trafficking others) and I was brand new, thus was 15+ yrs ago, and I was like…holy ish! Had I not have checked her by social, then none of that would’ve come up. Nothing federal-level comes up, or rather, it’s rare to see people on the FBIs watch list or fugitive list, etc etc to just come up by a check solely from name and dob. I taught all of my rookies to ask for socials but ONLY in the right circumstances and this one was fully appropriate in my professional opinion. I’m against the initial instance of handcuffing though. 100%, he shouldn’t have handcuffed a compliant person. He could’ve been turning himself in for stealing the bottle of water, for all we know. We have to get out of the cultural problem of handcuffing first, asking questions second. Maybe I’m just one of the few legit ones left it seems like but that’s my opinion on it all. (edited due to minor typo)
I'm a bit late but thanks for all the info! That story towards the end was crazy. Explains a lot about why he asked for SSN
I love it when members of the police force chime in, thanks for the background information.
a retired police officer. While some of the information you provided is accurate.....some is not.
Never give your social to police, they aren't cutting you a check so they don't need it.
@@shithole3617 Police became your employer? Bc their job is to get the correct people off the street. Let’s be clear…it’s only in the event of an arrest, and 2. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.
Hi Bruce, as you get closer to 1 million subscribers I urge that you don’t change and get caught up in the hype of fame. The reason I subscribed is because you did high quality reviews and you are genuine! So please stay that way. Don’t change because you have been Real all this time!
7:51 "nothing mundane about getting beat by your husband" 😂😂😂 Well said Bruce
Or by your wife lol
@@aw0111 Yes, good point. Amber Heard brought that emotional and physical abuse to everyone’s consciousness.
@@ericafors6039 yea unfortunately. It's unacceptable both ways one thing my momma taught me was you don't touch women lol
Funniest quote from Bruce 😂
People do wild things when they’re scared or in shock. I’m glad he turned himself in and admitted what happened.
Ur a fool. This is how innocent people get screwed.
He intentionally killed the person though, this was all planned by him. It’s actually sinister, watching him act like he’s “admitting guilt” when he killed the lady about to kick him out.
@@Sindrella.😮
@StateFromDrakeFarm you know this how?
@@CaptRich-bi3gp Internet confidence.
I've heard of cases being thrown out because the cop said one word wrong or used a synonym in the Miranda rights, and the lawyer was able to successfully argue that they were technically not read their rights according to the law.... so it's become policy in a lot of places to read it exactly word for word from a card.
Hi Bruce. I am surprised you didn't make any further comment on Brian's statement about them "arguing when she was drunk and high". Wouldn't you agree that's a pretty big red flag that he really shot her out of rage and not by accident? Or at the very least, the prosecution could make that argument, which would be very bad for him?
Right?? I was really surprised most his commentary was totally accepting as fact the “showing her the gun” story. It sounds really suspicious to me with him admitting their ongoing arguing.
The burden of proof for murder is pretty high: Hanlon's razor, never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
@@Tofu_va_Bien The dude literally couldn't help but admit she was impossible to be around. If that's what he says about her when he's trying to make this look like an accident, what do you think he really thinks?
Because those aren't the facts he's just going off of the video without further speculation
@@jeremiahm86his whole channel is speculating on witness testimony. So if someone goes on about how terrible the victim is, that can be used as a motive in the trial.
He was just starting to complain about how hard it was for him to be with her due to her drug and alcohol consumption. That, paired with his emotionless demeanor, makes me think this crime may well be more complex.
Whats complex about it? This monster shot and killed an innocent woman thats all there is too it. Death penalty and move on.
@@Bigbubba3031 Sure, I agree with you, I think he's gulity as sin, but the cops and even Bruce Rivers shake their heads. Where's the evidence that this was intentional? It can pass as a mistake without more evidence. He got scared and took a day to turn himself in. He's in trouble for careless use of a firearm and failure to get her emergency care, but he may get literally get away with murder.
@@Bigbubba3031 Wow.. just.. wow...
@@Bigbubba3031 Life must be such a cruise for you with getting to be that much of a naive dumbass and all
@@Bigbubba3031 a lot of speculation in your comment.
Bruce, thnx for your constant repartee, by letting us know when to keep our mouths SHUT!!!
I work with foster kids and we have a rights form that we have to go over with them on quite a regular basis. I know these rights, but I will keep reading from the paper so I know each and every time I explained in full. As the form states one of their rights is to fully understand their rights as a foster child
thank you for your work!
That's AMAZING I was a foster kid in the 90s no one told me anything ever in glad things are improving
Thank you for your work. Our foster systems need serious reform and the best of the best people to make them as good a system as possible for already traumatized kids
Hey Bruce! I've been told to always read someone their Miranda Rights exactly verbatim from a card while on body cam so there can be no arguing that you misread them the rights or missed even a single word bringing into question the validity of the reading to the arrestee. We all definitely have it memorized, just another thing to cover our bases. Fruit for thought is all.
Yeah I’m not even American and I completely understood why the officer chose to do it this way. I found it very condescending and ignorant of Bruce to comment on it the way he did.
@@Bulliegh basically just some thing to know/think about.
@@Bulliegh fruit is food. 😅
We got the idea. 😊
I mean that's usually best practice for something like this. I always double check numbers with a calculator even though I've always done basic arithmetic in my head, and if you found out your engineer was just winging it and not double checking work you'd be pissed.
Hi Tom. Are you a cop? If so I have a few questions about being a cop.
I have to commend this guy for turning himself in to police, not many people would do that if possibly facing a murder charge. But on the other hand, why did he not call 911 and the police when it first happened? Thank you for clarifying this case.. ♥️ your channel!
He’s guilty , when you shoot someone by accident and chose not to alert Authorities immediately and you let person bleed to death you know what you’re doing cause if that person you shot was your mum , what would you have done
People turn themselves in all the time lol your a weirdo
@@tristan583 Not necasserily, you're probably right but it's foolish to assume everyone would react the same logical calm way after killing a friend that you supposedly would. There's countless different and weird ways people react to trauma
Innocent until proven guilty it may of bin a accident and the man’s in shock and dramatized
@@phoenixmodellingphotography you never assume a person you shot is already dead if you claim that’s an accident before the medical examiner, that’s not what a grown man does , grown the fuck up , read the law and know the appropriate action to take anytime such things happens
Never knew how bonds or bail worked. I've never had to deal with it. Thanks for explaining that
Bruce seems like a cool guy that you could just chill with at a bbq and talk about great stories haha 😂
Yeah talk about good ol’ murder stories.
Great guy to know if you’re ever looking to get out of charges of your own down the road though.
You’d spark a joint with this dude and he’d start tellin ya about all the bodies he left on the side of the road in his truckin’ days.
A lot of trial attorneys are amazing storytellers and if you ever get the chance to hang out at a bar with one you should always take it. My sadly now deceased friend and mentor was a criminal defense attorney so I got to hang out with not just him, but his other lawyer friends, and those nights were more entertaining than any concert, movie, comedy act, or pretty much anything else I could have possibly been doing. I miss those times so much.
Bruce Rivers he's the BBQ lawyer
14:40 exactly thank you. As a gun owner myself, these types of tragedies are so infuriating. The type of scenario this guy described is just the type of thing that my firearm safety class I took as a kid would constantly train you to both prevent, and intervene in if you were to witness it. I don’t know a single person who would actually be the type of person that I would show a gun to, that would need it demonstrated for them. If they aren’t familiar with firearms, then I won’t handle firearms around them. If you’re that much a novice, then you need proper training before handling an actual firearm. They are deadly weapons, not water balloons 🎈
So what? You want someone to take a new gun owner to the range even if they're 40? Not everyone grows up around guns. Your statement has quite alot of personal bias and is absolutely ridiculous.
And yes. If I'm buying a gun from you I want to know everything is mechanically sound. Noone wants to see you whip out your lil gun but I damn sure wanna see what I purchase works. Why else would I give af you "show" it to me. Do you test drive a car? You do. You don't just say hey, show it to me and I'll trust you it works. Smdh
@@MrMancreatedgodhey I’ll give you that. You make some good points 👍
@@Pretermit_SoundI think you are right. What difference does it make how old the person is, if he knows nothing about guns, you dont just hand them a loaded gun and tell them to try it out. Although I dont see a problem if the gun is UNLOADED.
@@Redspeciality no, absolutely not, and the first thing you typically do when handling someone a weapon is check to see if it’s unloaded. Preferably in a manner that’s obvious to the other person.
It would've helped him if he called an ambulance right away. And went to a lawyer before turning himself in.
If he called the police they would see he was intoxicated or they could’ve saved her, and they would hear her side of the story. Maybe he wanted her to bleed out?
@@prant8998 objection your honour; speculation.
@@jackster2568 "Denied, and I'm speculating on kicking your ass up and down this court if you object to one more thing you gaybo" - That's me if I was a cool judge 😎
@@phoenixmodellingphotography gaybo?
@@nunpho I said IF I was a cool judge, obviously I'm neither and therefore would never use such problematic language
When they said "calmly confesses" they were not kidding. It's kinda creepy how chill he is about having killed someone. I think I'd be even more freaked out if I accidentally killed someone vs intentionally.
That's how some people react to stress, especially if they're submitting. Being excitable gets people killed.
That's what shock does to people
I know a woman who recounted being gangraped like it was bad morning commute. It's always surreal when these things happen, *but they do happen.* 🙁
That’s just the personalities of different people… billions of us and you still haven’t seen it all. This is just another type of personality that would only show the freaking out when he’s alone and not infront of others
@@michelewheldon7183 it’s crazy how many people are saying this guy is in shock. Me and you both know if we were in the same situation we would call the police right away and render aid. This guy is reckless, didn’t render aid, and only told someone a day later. I think the term shock is overused. It seems to me like he realized he messed up by not calling 911 right away and now is trying to explain it with a lazy defense.
I wonder if he was intoxicated at the time and so he slept it off before turning himself in.
I think you nailed it. He would've been incoherent after it happened so I reckon he needed time to get his head straight. Even though it looked weird casually admitting the shooting when he did it made sense to him. What happened to him by the way?
Thank you and i really appreciate your viewpoint. I wondered about his self snitching and glad to hear your view on it. How sad for this man to have to live with this now and for her to have lost her life in such a senseless way.
I think the card is a great idea personally. Especially since you just know that there will be a lawyer that makes an issue out of you says “and”instead of “or”.
I work in the medical field…we do checklists all the time in high risk situations if it is possible. Pilots as well. These are some of the highest stakes of the entire job…the consequences of any error are a total invalidation of all the work you or anyone else does from that point on until someone realizes and corrects the error or duplicates the process but does it properly.
More than a couple of multi-million dollar suits have turned on a single comma.
I agree, cops should make sure they are reading or reciting Miranda verbatim
Knowing how prosecutors like to make plea deals and sometimes even really nasty criminals get sweet deals, this guy seems like the sort that they would be happy to settle outside of trial. But now that he has confessed, he really needs to lawyer up.
I love how trusting everyone is that he’s telling the truth! I guess if you ever find yourself wanting to murder someone, all you’ve got to do is shoot them directly in the face, then call the police and say that you accidentally shot the victim while showing them your gun. Everybody apparently just automatically assumes that’s what happened, and kudos to you for coming forward and handing yourself in!
There is usually far more evidence in a 1rst degree case. Connections, motives etc
Must be one of those magical guns that just go off whenever they choose to.
Sig Sauer.
Nice breakdown. I would love for you to do one of the Carrie Culberson Case in Blanchester, Ohio. I knew both Carrie and Vincent. It has all the makings of a crime novel.
Bruce can you talk about public defenders and how that system works, which lawyers work those jobs etc
Yeah. And how do non public defender attorneys get appointed by the court? Is there some type of system where everybody has to do so many a year? I would be interested to hear more.
Yes we need to know how good they are!
public defenders are public pretenders- bigherc fresh out of prison
I watched this too and was able find her obituary and news articles about it. I’m sure that officer is like is this really how my day is going to go.
When Bruce asked why he doesn’t have the Miranda Rights memorized I figured reading off a card or out your notebook was common place.
Here in Canada when I did some training I was taught early no matter how much you remember always read from the card, cause you don’t want to start this arrest jacked up lol. Take the few seconds to make sure it’s done right for everyone.
And what he do?
@@WingusMcDingus_what you mean?
Same experience
Uh what? We don’t have the “Miranda Rights” here in Canada.
Our charter rights that are read are not nearly as strict either. All that needs to be done is a blunt statement of why they’re being arrested. A quick statement so they understand they have rights to a lawyer, but not to having a lawyer present while questioning, and that they have the right to remain silent if they chose to do so.
@@Bigmikeystan I said Miranda’s Rights because that’s what was used in the arrest since it’s America and what Bruce commented on. Best practices too are mostly transferable.
Ya you still have to be read your rights upon arrest here in Canada as well (obviously not Miranda Rights). The best practice is to read from a card or out your note book if you have too. Why chance making a screw up when you can take an extra few seconds to just read it word for word. It only takes you to omit one right or freedom to have things go sideways.
I learned to stop self snitchin' way back in 1996. It was just after I'd turned 18 and a friend of my brother asked me if I could pawn some things for him because he needed rent and he didn't have any ID. I was all, "You gotta get me a Whopper meal." He agreed and I took him to an apartment complex, where after a few minutes he came out with a bunch of electronics. We were then off to the pawn shop! I used my ID, got him the cash, and got my Whopper meal. I was happy as a clam!
When I got back home, I found a mentally disabled woman that I knew, wailing in the street. I asked her what had happened, and she proceeded to tell me that she had been robbed of ALL OF THE THINGS that I had just pawned!!!!! I told her that I would get it back, but I didn't have the money. So I called the local police department. I told the operator what had happened and they transferred me to a Desk Sergeant. I told him what happened... and without missing a beat he told me that I was the one who committed the crime, and I had just confessed! I freaked out and exclaimed, "Good luck arresting me because I never gave you any of my information!" and hung up on him (I didn't think about Caller ID or their tracing it 'cuz I was young & dumb)!
In the end, my mother went to the police station with me and explained the situation. They couldn't go after the guy who tricked me, but they did let me off with a warning and the woman ended up getting her stuff back. About 10 years later, money got tight, so I went to pawn some things and found out that I had been banned for pawning stolen property. So I didn't get away scott-free.
Just watched this last night, then Bruce analyses it. Man life is good!
I love how he ties in the advert with the current videos subject everytime!
should i put the mic down
I’m inspired by these videos to study law even at 31 I’m inspired by the lawyer who helped defend me successfully in a domestic situation where I was the actual one hit I ended up being given an apology from the district prosecutor of Seattle
I'm glad to hear it and I wish you the best. 😊
Find yourself a non-Western female sir. There is no hope with Western women. They are (for some unknown reason forever agitated, angry, restless and lack any sort of peace and contentment). Even though you did not assault her, you had to spend time and money to get off. Imagine if you were a minimum wage blue collar worker. Pro bono court appointed attorneys just get you to plead 99% of the time unless you push the issue and are aware of what is happening. Sadly, most Western men have become simps.
I started law school last year at 35. There are several people in their 40's and some even older in my class. Don't let anyone tell you that you are too old. You have decades of a career ahead of you. You can do this and good luck.
31 is young. Go for it! Good luck.
Love your channel, Attorney Rivers! I’m a 3L graduating from law school next month, and yours is by far my favorite legal channel.
Also, I find the quirks of Miranda so interesting. For example, I learned last year about how being in prison is *not* considered “in custody” for purposes of Miranda. Just found that so counterintuitive.
Oscar pistorious recently lost his parole hearing, maybe we can revisit his case
I hadn't heard that!
He’s a killer
What if the man had insisted Bruce Rivers be called right away?
I worked at a law firm in the cities for 15 years. Wish I had found your channel a few years ago. I would have been looking for job openings at your firm. But we picked up and left Minnesota in January to travel the country for a few years. Unfortunately, we won't be settling back down in Minnesota once we're done traveling. Most likely we'll end up in New Mexico or Hawaii.
I've worked for a few firms and solo practices and if I was in his area I would be beating down Bruce's door. Hundreds of copies of my resume would spontaneously come flying out of the air vents and through the windows. I got along well with my past bosses, but you don't come across one like him every day.
I'm glad you did this one. Thought of you when I saw it. Stop self switching! Lmao
With my case know expunged I’m more willing to talk about my experience with the law. In 2019 I was charged with a class 3 felony of malicious wounding… of who? My father, unfortunately. It was mid-day and I had just woken up to a very high tension household with my parents angry and my little brother in-trouble (I was 18 at the time). I went downstairs to get some food when a massive argument unfolded… I’ve never seen anyone in the house so angry in my life. I had grabbed a plate from the counter at the time and when I got heated I slammed the plate back onto the counter amongst other plates causing a load crashing sound. My father in the other room quickly came around a blind corner as I was leaving the room and I, blind natural instincts, interpreted in the nanosecond I had he was charging at me, like full on running (he claims he was never running but we still disagree). I quickly stumbled back into the room and when we DID come into physical contact I grabbed a pair of scissors on the counter and I stabbed him in the back and in a moment we ended on the ground. Neither of us remember how we ended up grabbled on the ground but we did… he went to the emergency room and I took a shower and changed clothes when suddenly I got a call from the police (I’ma be honest, I didn’t realise police called people, maybe an abnormal event who knows). I turned myself into the police at the local police station and waited in the empty lobby for 15~30 minutes before an officer pulled up in his cruiser and came into the building. We went into the interogation room where I told him the ENTIRE story from my perspective. From there he hand cuffed me from the front (act of kindness) with the cuffs so loose I could easily slip out without any effort and we drove to the count-house to get me booked. When in the count-house I was put in front of the magistrate where I was upfront and honest and with good words said from the cop I was out (after fingerprinting and everything else) with $3000 unsecured bond. The magistrate was very nervous though cause I had no other family in the state and I has to return to the same house the incident happened in. In the end, the prosecutor dropped the charges with no community service or any sort of programs. I always knew I shouldn’t talk to the police but frankly, in this one exception I am glad I did as it’s probably the only reason I got out on bail and wasn’t held in jail overnight. Even now the officer who arrested me shops at my place of work and we are cordial and frankly, other than the ludicrous legal expenses, it was a positive outcome where nothing ended up happening. Now me and my father have a better relationship than we ever had in our lives and I spend more time with him than I used to. Anyways, that’s my case.
Pops fucckedd around and found out that day 😂😅
Glad things worked out for you and with your dad. I’m curious though, why was your first instinct to stab him? Even if you did feel physically threatened, I don’t think the immediate reaction of most people would be to stab their dad in the middle of a squabble.
TL:DR
I hope everything worked out
Wow! Thank goodness he recovered. Your story is completely understandable in how it all enfolded and why you reacted that way.
I'm glad you and your dad are doing well and spending more time together. It's great that he's forgiven you
To be believed by the officer must have been a huge relief to you.
The whole episode and outcome must have felt surreal.
If this story is true, you have some serious mental problems bruh
Police Academy Instructor:
So what? Do you think the criminal is just going to walk up to you & turn themselves in, peacefully!? Give you a full confession!? It doesn't work like that! Let me be the 1st to inform you, that's not going to happen! You have to do real, hard investigative WORK! ...👀💯
I wish this channel was a thing back in 2014-2016. I couldve picked up tips from Bruce and maybe kept my ass out of some of the trouble i got myself into
I’m glad I have found this channel! You are the only person on RUclips I actually look up and watch!
Jim Can't Swim is a great crime channel, and That Chapter.
The Behavior Panel
is a great interrogation analysis channel too
@@LeeAnneGuerin yes, I've seen that channel, I'm just watching the episode on Oscar Pistourius.
Mr. Rivers explains the way our justice system works in a way anyone can understand.!
Thank you
He may have said it 1000 times but he still reads off the card to not make mistakes that lawyers like you could use to get the defendant off of the charges. Same with the SFSTs.
Most definitely one of THE best channels I’ve come across on RUclips! Both entertaining and informative. You say it as it is, which is very refreshing (and funny!). Looking forward to going back through your posts. Keep up the great work. Subscribed 😊👌
i’ve seen another video of someone going to confess but it was the exact opposite. we was sobbing, breaking down into pieces of a man. it wasn’t coherent all you could understand was that he killed someone. i think it was a hit and run. it was heartbreaking in a way that makes this one utterly creepy. like this guy doesn’t care.
I’m on the fence with this one. The right thing to do was call an ambulance when it happened. It took him a long time to do the right thing.
I'm with you. If it was truly an accident, combined with turning himself in. I'd want to go easy on him. Short sentence probation and restitution to the family... If he did it on purpose and turned himself in to try to get away with it, which does happen in other crimes. I'm sure you know what I mean. Then throw the book at his face and walk away.
I think the cop was either fairly new as a cop or he was totally thrown by the fact that random old guy rolls up & confesses to murder.
Bless him 😂
Promote that guy .. lol
I’m a recovering attorney- JD 1986; I’m very anxious about Miranda not being codified. Is that the next case to be overturned by the Supremes?
He needed to talk to an atty to make sure before he confessed that he knew what he was doing. Odds are if you wander into a police station and randomly confess to something that it won’t work out so always get legal advice before confessing.
I'm sorry but even your ad plugs are hilarious to me. Thanks for this reaction 😂
What I found surprising about the police response was how relaxed they were about getting medical aid to the address. Chances are she was deceased, but they couldn't be sure...
Yea I'm with you there. It did not seem like they had much urgency like that.
@@markmack2746 they seem to not have much sense of urgency with first aid very often. How many people have died in police custody after waiting for 20-30 minutes for an ambulance when cops could have helped while they were wanting? It seems pretty common.
@@tiffanyholman4028 you're not wrong. I have noticed they don't really put a lot of effort into rendering aid when it comes to some folks. Kind of sucks to see as a human being.
@@tiffanyholman4028 Very few. It's been conclusively proven, for example, that moving patients by helicopter affords them nearly zero benefit compared to an ambulance. It's also been shown countless times that ambulances which drive annoyingly slowly are better than ambulances which rush to and/or from the scene. the extra damage caused by accidents while going slightly faster more than cancels out any possible gains from getting there faster. Also, in this particular case, it is impossible to rush as they don't know where she is, and she has been dead all night anyways.
@@boldCactuslad I did EMT stuff for a bit, this is basically true. The immediate care afforded by medics is what saves lives, hospitals just help with recovery. Getting there faster is very rarely what does the trick.
It's one thing to be scared, but running away and not calling 911 right away to try to get her help makes him look guilty. But, it will make him look good in court by turning himself into the police. It just blows my mind how many people act like they have no idea what a lawyer is or what their rights are.
If, he did not call an Ambulance, it was no accident... If, he had called for medical help, then the police would have been involved. I wonder what she had on him? This guy is a slick one!
You've updated your audio so I can hear you without reading CC's....thank gawd!
I live in Montgomery county and when I herd that phone number start with 937 chills went down my spine
Yeah... I literally live in Miami Township ... right by the Dayton Mall. This guy was turning himself in at the Miamisburg Police Department - about 4 miles down the road from where I live (Miamisburg is the incorporated section of Miami Township).
I live in Miamisburg and didn’t even see this on the news!
@@the_burg_urban_garden It literally wasn't even on the news.
He left thinking there was no witnesses and over night he couldn't live with himself
If I ever did any harm accidentally to anyone I wouldn't wait tomorrow I'll call emergency number immediately I wouldn't wait till tomorrow
You are great! Thank you!!🥰
The reason he reads Miranda off the card at @11:03 is probably because it’s department policy. If you force the officers on your department to only read rights while reading off the card, then it’s way less likely for a cop to forget/improperly mirandize which could be crucial when a prosecutor has to build a case against the suspect. I’d be extremely surprised if this cop (or any cop) doesn’t have the Miranda perfectly memorized straight out of police academy.
Ohhhh I was so hoping you'd cover this video.
moment when you self snitch, calmly
@Bruse Rivers I freaking LOVE your channel!!!
He was homeless and it’s my belief he was trying to grift off his female friend and when she said no he flipped out. He turned himself in because he was tired of the homeless life and knew prison would be easier.
....and you know this based on what?
Based
If I were the deputy, I'd ABSOLUTELY read the Miranda warning off a card for each and every single arrest I ever made. Even if I were certain I had it memorized, that card is coming out, and I'm reading word for word what it says. Why? That way, there's no chance of me ever making a mistake. Nobody can come back later and argue something like "well you actually said such and such, which changed the meaning of what you told me because this particular word you used is different from this other word you should've used, even though they're commonly used as interchangeable in daily life." It's a protective thing, and wouldn't be because I don't have it memorized, but rather to ensure that I get every single work perfectly correct. It's similar to pilots that have thousands of hours flying using check lists for fairly simple tasks when flying an airplane. It's not because they don't know what to do, but rather to make absolutely certain that nothing is omitted or done incorrectly, despite already having every step memorized.
I am not clear, is Bruce Rivers a Criminal Lawyer?
Tangential, but Dreading just uploaded an 8+ hour video compilation on why you should never take the stand in your own defense. It's a self-snitchin' marathon!
Thanks for mentioning this, it hadn't crossed my radar yet but sure will be watched ASAP!
This actually makes me think a person could decide to kill another person and that 2-3 years is worth it. So just shoot them in cold blood, then go to police station and claim accident. I mean with 2-3 years you could probably be out in half that time. For all we know that’s what this guy did. He was talking about this lady like he had some kind of issue with her. There’s lots of older men who randomly murder women all the time while seeming to be perfectly normal old dudes.
I know from DPS database information side that the SSN is sometimes asked because there might be multiple people with the same name (or same sounding name) but different SSNs. Sure they can lie about both or either, but memorizing another's SSN is super rare.
Give me yours and I’ll see if I can memorize it
@@PlatinumHustle Sure.. but you won't have my name as well.
But it's the last nine digits of pi.
6:30 SSN is the fastest way to check for warrants, much easier to find out who someone is/any kind of record than to run the search by name DOB etc
Crazy story, good work Bruce
Cops ask about the social security number to make a case. If you can easily remember your SS number, but claim to have a hard time remembering the night before, it makes you look more guilty. And the insanity plea is out the window
I think the cop was hoping he would quit talking...BTWs each state phrases Miranda slightly different, asks if they understand each one, and then go to the next sentence/phrase. Some states have to offer Miranda in more than one language as you know...so, last cop that lived in our neighborhood said they're required to read off the card, some have to initial after each sentence.
There is no such thing as “accidentally” shooting someone. There are ways to handle a fire arm and the number one rule is never point the barrel at anything you don’t wanna shoot. It’s pretty simple you could also idk take your fingers off the trigger, keep the safety on, take the bullets out. I mean I learned this shit playing with airsoft guns. So if you mistakenly shoot someone it’s a crime, and you should be in jail and never have owned a firearm.
You clearly don’t know what the word „accidentally“ means
Accidental discharges happen with modern handguns (not revolvers) look it up on RUclips. There’s a particular video of a guy at the range with an instructor and the bullet primer is struck while doing a cycle of a round. No finger on the trigger either and even the instructor even witnessed it and told him it was out of his control.
Did you discharge the rounds? Ok good deal. click. boom. - happens all the time.
friendly fire or hunting accidents --- avoidable but they happen
a disastrous ricochet --- avoidable but it happens
so i would keep an open mind until i had conclusive evidence.
This is why training in operating and weapon safety should be mandatory for anyone who wants to own a weapon. We do that for driving. And generally guns are more hazardous than cars. A little common sense could go a long way in accident prevention.
Hi Bruce! 👋
Nice reveler there.
Love it!❤
I like how you ask “how did the gun accidentally go off?” Then give a scenario where your friends friend accidentally shoot his friend.
OMG i was thinking the same thing- how do they not have it memorized
I wonder if he's in the early stages of Alzheimer's or dementia. The symptoms of both get worse at night and under emotional stress. He may really have had a difficult time mentally processing what to do.
What a weird one. Thanks for sharing!
I would read off a card in a potential murder case.
I appreciate that they do the miranda from the card. It guarantees that it's properly done and can't be a problem later. I would assume it's department policy that it be read from the card even if they know it by heart.
I look forward to when you react to Evil Stepmother and current Queen of Self-Snitchin', Letecia Stauch, who is currently on trial for the heinous murder of her 11-year-old step-son Gannon.
Oh yeah the evil demon Leticia. That'd be a good one.
Your social security repeats in the digits of pi somewhere down the line.
😂 I love the hat on the desk ❤.. I really wish you were in New Orleans, LA… I pray you are well mr Rivers Becareful & thanks for keeping Real with Us 🤞🏾❤
They took the cuffs off wow complexion for protection 🤔
I’m loving these longer videos, Bruce
Bruce is awesome!! I love everything about him. I have learned soo much watching his videos and love his brutal honesty. ❤❤❤
This happened about 45 minutes from where I live. It's strange to see it on here
I enjoy your video breakdowns. Keep up the great work! 👍
Why do they ask for the ss#? Why cant they just use the last 4 digits? Are they running a credit check ffs?
@6:30 Crazy thing I found out, if Police want to verify you are who you say you are, they'll ask for your social security number. This is common for ICE investigations as well as when suspects don't have a valid ID on their persons. In conjuncture with your social security number, Police will ask for your phone number as well. You learn more every day.
I’m not even American and I know that
@@irishninja2009 No one gives a shit about what you know
Once I was being questioned all I said “I think I need an attorney “ because I didn’t actually ask for one they didn’t stop for 12 hours
U gotta squeeze the damn trigger if I'm wrong??? I mean they don't have to be loaded. What's going on here
Depending on the gun... Yes.
Because a hammer can be pushed back near click and well accident.
Knew a guy that cleaned his gun, reloaded it, let the slide go and shot his dick... Dude is a cop now lives in Selma, Alabama... A dumb ass idiot.
He's a 3stripe.
That’s not true
A revolver can fire if the hammer slips when cocking it to half or full - also a semi auto slide type can go off from a slam fire by hitting the slide release
It’s why you don’t point the barrel of a gun at anything you don’t intend to shoot