True Christian unity is 1) invisibly spiritual, as we're bound to Christ (and thus one another) by faith and sealed with the Holy Spirit, and 2) visibly doctrinal, as we hold to the common historic doctrines of the Christian faith.
@@BNichols021 He is also visible (the apostle Stephen saw both He (God the Father) + Jesus together! This proves they are "separate" in being but on the same team (of course)! The Holy spirit allows us to feel Gods present everywhere (that is where he comes in too).
@@BNichols021 Not per the bible. Moses saw god. The elders of the tribes saw god. "9 Then Moses and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel went up, 10 and they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there was something like a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness. 11 God[a] did not lay his hand on the chief men of the people of Israel; also they beheld God, and they ate and drank." Exodus 24
Thank you for addressing this! This myth is so pervasive that even when Mormons do leave the church, most of them don't consider Christianity as a valid option. My husband and I both come from families that are LDS going back generations, and most of our family are still true-believing Mormons. Those who have left (besides us) are agnostic or atheist now. If anyone's so inclined, we'd really appreciate payer for the salvation of our families. ✝️
What’s sad is you think they are going to hell because they believe differently. Your god sounds really depressed. Evangelicalism is just nonsense after knowing the depth of the what is out there.
@@KapayapaanmanThe world building in LOTR is pretty in depth. Does that make middle earth real? Detailed lies are still lies, and made all the worse for the intricacy of the deception.
@@lauracheever You are making things up again. There is no myth that was created from our Church. There was no announcement from a pulpit that Christians are a bad choice because they have 40000 different denomination. If anything that is just a common misconception on your part because it is the main argument of Catholics which are disgusted by your division. We never borrowed their narrative either. We let everyone worship God according to their own conscience. AofF11
I’ve also heard this many times and thought 40,000 had to be way too high. Nonetheless, it’s great to be reminded that our unity in Christ goes beyond an organization and is rooted in the person of Christ Himself.
If so, then why do people attack other christian churches (like the lds, etc)? Maybe its because "their version" is correct but others are not (but wait, I thought we should not fight and all are united in Christ)? I get the confusion and hypocrisy. Maybe christians should all build on common ground and support each other. (just a thought)
Everyone knows 40,000 doesn’t sound right. But it’s because how they are counting it. People don’t understand the word denomination versus sect versus schism. Etc. That’s why. The problem is, even if there is only 100 denominations which there’s probably more more than that or even 50 denominations that still horrible for a faith that’s supposed to be the most united and in the truth!!
@nute742 I mean the lds church adds alot to Christianity and changes various things from the Bible. You can't blame Christians for thinking that way. When I hear that I need works to go to the best tier of heaven and give a lot of my money I don't like that.
Only 6 Protestant denominations - Lutheran, Anglican, Calvinist, Armenian, (Ana)Baptist, and Pentecostal. Everything else is a mixture or derivation of them.
Meh. Ehhhh… not really, Maybe in your book, but not according to experts and scholars. There’s a reason they are broken down into the groups they’re broken down into. there’s a reason they all have names and different beliefs and different traditions. Lol 😂 it’s not up to an individual to redefine what that means. Your “denominations” are not correct anyway because Calvinism and Arminianism are not even denominations. Those are Theology systems, which are found within the other four you mentioned. So first you have to understand what each one believes and what the word “denomination” itself means before you can make your own list. There’s a difference between denomination, sect, and schism as well which people conflate these definitions and lump them all into one which is another problem why you have this faulty number. Though you could (in a sense) make the argument that there are “four mainstream” ones (Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist and Pentecostal) and everything else is an offshoot or mixture of them..yes in a sense I’d buy that. In fact that’s is pretty much known and sort of how it works but not entirely. There’s a good video someone did very in depth and broke all that down. I’ll try to link it here. ruclips.net/video/8q6FUlay-M8/видео.htmlsi=CM20lO2XHKsuTieU
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
@@BGCflyer 1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee. John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. I have already posted whole chapters before Bruce.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 @jacobsamuelson3181 well I don't know about your own personal beliefs, but here are a few things when I talked to my friends that stood out: 1.) They were taught each church denomination was its own religion 2.) They thought Calvinism was a religion 3.) They thought the name of a church was the denomination (i.e. The Mission Church was a type of church that was all over the world) 4.) One thought the LDS church was just another Christian denomination 5.) They thought because their were different denominations that none of them were true There were other things in conversation but that's all I can think of off the top of my head rn
@@Marisa-yf1vc Yeah that's understandable. Just so you know none of these points came from the Church teaching them this but likely just from the little in general they know about Christian denominations in general. Even Christians would have a similar list to separate denominations. Catholics would certainly stress these points out too but they are far more informative than we are. Unlike most protestant churches, LDS don't ever talk about other denominations at Church so there is very little we know about them, but from what I understand Protestants might go to a church where people can be worshipping with other people of different denominations. You have access to deciding what teachings you hold to and which Church to go to so you have a better understanding. Yeah if you talked to some people that had this low of understanding it is likely from hearsay from multiple character which is why I discourage channels that only have one end of the story. There are some good channels to direct people for on RUclips I personally like ready to harvest. He tries to be unbiased as possible.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 I don’t think that is true we mainly talk about how we can be reconciled to Christ and the gospel at church! When talking about evangelism then yes we talk about other religions and how they can also receive God by faith alone through grace alone it is all on the power of Christ and his word!
@@guzmangarrett267 Other religions maybe but not other denomations within that religion. I'm saying we don't single out people and say Calvinism is it's own religion. We don't go deep like the points the OP was mentioning. That misinformation mentioned doesn't originate from us telling them in order to stay away from them altogether as it is portrayed to be.
"Let me tell you why we are not apostate from the authority of God." Proceeds to tear down another faith... You know, it seems to me that if you're actually a church full of truth and light that you'd ignore what others are saying and simply teach truth and light. Instead, contention and malice are spread "in the name of Jesus".
Same - I never looked into it though. I think it's super ironic that it INCLUDES Latter-day Saints and various LDS splinter groups! Hopefully this helps set the record straight a bit.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 So the community of Christ, the Brighamite sect of the LDS church, the FLDS, the Bickertonite sect, the Elijah sect... what happened to your unity of doctrine?
@@1689-Cigars Obviously Paul didn't want robots, but what you have is separate Churches who emphasize different scriptures. Completely not what Paul wanted.
So if there is "one faith, one baptism" etc - then why don't a lot of evangelicals believe they "don't" have to get baptized? Truly - Jesus said you cannot come to my fathers kingdom unless you are baptized by water and the spirit. He (Jesus) showed us the "perfect" example! Again with so "many" denominations out there, none of us can say our fellow Christian isn't Christian - because of our opinions. Only Jesus (our Lord and Savoir) can decide that. God is a god of "more" and not less (and is no "respecter" of persons). Okay food for thought :)
@@joshuakersey3897 The thief went to Paradise ( which is a great start!) however it is not heaven where the father lives. Jesus says to live where the father lives you have to be baptized. However the thief can still accept baptism through ordinances as it was taught in the Bible
I was born in LDS, my mom is still a very TBM. I stopped believing when I was 13/14 when I watched my dad suffer and then die. It took me from age 13 to 17 to believe in anything at all. I am grateful I got out as early as I did. I wouldn't have gotten out if my dad hasnt passed away. Going from LDS to nothing to a little bit of something was probably the most confusing time trying to figure out where to go to learn more about the little bit that I have without reverting back to my LDS indoctrination. Trying to untabgle that mess took a long time, too
I’ve seen LDS apologist types bring this up recently. And they tend to bring it up as just a self-evident proof: multiple Christian denominations means they’re all false. LDS people (and I used to be one) are so conditioned to thinking in terms of “the one true church” that they really struggle to see any other viewpoint. But yes, the fact is I’m now an Episcopalian, and I’m fully able to serve in the ELCA Lutheran church that I attend, including helping prepare and administer the sacrament, give healing blessings, and even fill in preaching when the pastor is away. And, as you say, even though I might disagree with certain things that the LCMS or evangelical churches teach (or even the Episcopal Church for that matter), it doesn’t mean that I’m not a Christian. Folks, Jesus didn’t establish a church. His followers did. There has always been diversity within Christianity. Embrace it. Love it. It’s cool!
All Christian churches have some truth in them - so we as Christians should celebrate this (vs telling our other neighbors) that they're not Christian (which is not very Christian (lol) in my opinion). One faith, one baptism, one people! God bless :)
I too believe in a universal and invisible spiritual church. You sound like one of the church fathers. I'll need to look up his name again. I may be becoming Catholic but I do believe in said church unity as you speak of and I am glad you are passionate about this. You may not be Roman Catholic, but you are a part of the Church Catholic if you know what I mean, as you are a disciple of Jesus Christ. Pax Vobiscum, fratrum in Christum (Peace be with you, brother in Christ).
I’m LDS and enjoyed your view. I’m glad we can cling together to our God, Lord, & Saviour Jesus Christ in now post-Christian America. All followers of Christ need to support each other in the coming persecution from the U.S. federal & state governments.
Thats not the intent of his channel and video.. I saw a video lately wnere Evangicals refused to pray with returned missionaries because they said they dont want to support praying to a flase God... So they will most likely never agree that this is "our God"...
There is one Church that has preserved the faith of the Apostles unchanged for 2,000 years: the Eastern Orthodox Church. I pray that everyone may discover Orthodoxy, which maintains the fullness of the Christian faith.
Exactly, One Lord, One baptism and "One Faith"? One church, not multiple different churches who all teach different form one another and also do not agree with one another. If this is Jesus Christ true church like you claim, then who is the Prophet that leads it. Where are the Apotles? You say invisible church, but Christ church wasn't invisible when he organized it when he was alive on the earth. There in deed was a physical church, and the Bible is clear on that.
@richarner3856 There have been many splinter groups from the LDS church. However, that's nothing new. Since the Lord first organized his church, there have been many that splintered off. John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. This is only but a small part of examples I've shared here in the Bible. But what's your point?
Christianity can be taxonomically divided into six main groups: Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Oriental Orthodoxy, Eastern Orthodoxy, the Church of the East, and Restorationism
Who says what’s an essential vs. non-essential belief? It seems convenient to categorize disagreements as non-essential in an effort to appear more unified than Protestants are.
One Lord, one faith, one baptism? If you differ on the mode, method, and timing, even the necessity of baptism THAT IS NOT A ONENESS.. you are gaslighting.. If your standards are so low that you think that qualifies as oneness then surely the unity of one lord, one faith, one baptism as found in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints should meet or exceed your expectations.. if you were honest..
Thank you for this -- I've been sharing this Truth on a number of sites. In fact, any Mormon who has trusted Jesus as their Savior is a member of the True Spiritual Church. Sadly, the Mormon organizational claim is just a further indication of the deception under which they live and continue to support their false beliefs
WHY IS IT THAT WHENEVER I SEE THESE KIND OF VIDEOS, I CAN IMAGINE LUCIFER TRYING TO CONVINCE 1/3 OF THE SPIRITS IN HEAVEN TO FOLLOW HIM AND FIGHT AGAINST HEAVENLY FATHER? 😊😊😊
Even many individuals among denominations have distinct theological opinions. For example, I met an Orthodox woman who accepts the filioque and most Orthodox people reject the filioque. I even have a lot of Protestant viewpoints. In part because of my upbringing but also in part because of my historical studies which favors both the Catholic and the Protestants. I even took the Martin Luther tour.
🤷♂️ Christ’s church was spiritually and institutionally unified from the start by design. Disregarding the need for institutional unity just seems convenient for Protestants rather than being true
I wouldn’t say Christianity isn’t “institutional but rather spiritual” because Jesus Christ did indeed institute the Christian religion (religion, despite the modern view of it, was always defined as a relationship between God and man). It’s actually more appropriate to say that Christianity is a spiritual institution formed by Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 4:11 sure sounds like Christ's church is something we can see and witness. Many more observable parts of the Church Christ established in the New Testament as well.
As a retired pastor, I’d totally disagree here, though I wanted to and tried to believe what you are getting at all my life. 1. Why do you keep comparing Christianity to LDS? That is sort of a bad comparison. LDS are not really considered a true form of Christianity. They’re considered a cult or fringe group. That’s not being mean or judgmental, that’s just the stance of Christendom in general. 2. Whether it’s 40,000 or 100 or even 20 that’s still horrible. 3. I think everyone would agree that Christianity is far too divided significantly more than any other faith, which is a huge detriment. 4. Most denominations don’t agree on the basics. I don’t know why people keep saying this because it’s not true. So, what do you even consider basics for one? Basics to 1 Christian or denomination is different basics to another Christian or denomination. But even the so-called basics don’t line up in many denominations either. Hence, wherein lies the problem. 5. For example, let me ask you…what must you do to be “saved”? Well asking that to a Baptist is different to asking that of a Charismatic or nondenominational or a Pentecostal. It can even be sometimes different between most Christian denominations and even within some of the mainline denominations. Some baptize infants and some don’t. Some say you must be baptized to be born again and some say you don’t have to be baptized. Then some say you need to have the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues, some say you don’t. I mean just these are but a few examples which are pretty much “basics “ to me and if we can’t even get these basics right then that’s a huge problem. So, I would say that that this would totally debunk this whole video, unfortunately. 6. Catholics and Orthodox would also totally disagree with all of them and this video because they believe that Christ started one true visible Church, and anyone outside of that specific Church is lost and damned. The problem is they both teach that and they’re also both different churches with different beliefs, so which one is the true one!?! 🤨 😂 This is why many are leaving Christianity in droves (as they see it as a joke and mass confusion) and either becoming atheist, Muslim, or another religion which isn’t divided, and knows what they believe. 🤷🏻♂️
Great points, however I would say that LDS are also Christian. As per the "Definition" is to believe in who he is (born to Mary), his mission (the savoir), and resurrection (is our Lord) - they believe in all of these things(the basics) which is the most important. Notably they even have named their church after him (which Jesus said was one of the requirements for his church)! So it looks like they'd be on the right path, and high up there. So people shouldn't be mad, or jealous by this (as Jesus teachings are not meant to segregate or brag) but for everyone to learn the truth! All in all they seem like they are pretty nice people with good standards too (by the fruits you shall know them). With that said all Christian denominations - should come together, support one another and build on common ground (which is what Jesus taught).
@@nute742 well I kind of disagree overall, but I believe that yes in a basic sense they are Christians. Honestly, Most Mormons that I know are very godly /spiritual, and God-fearing and good people. But then again, so are most Muslims I know. Also, Just because someone named their church after “Christ” doesn’t make it more Christian, for one. In fact many churches do that. So, That’s a very bad argument. Also, do you know all what they believe ?? Because they believe a lot of outlandish things that is nowhere near Christianity at all, not sound, nor found within Christian tradition. I’m not personally judging them, just saying what experts, theologians and scholars within all Christian traditions say. Also, as I stated, most experts say they are not a true form of Christianity at all. Again, that’s not my own judgment, that’s just the judgment of Christiandom itself. I guess for argument sake, one could say that their faith is at least a little “off” or not a “true form” of Christianity, which I would definitely agree with. But it doesn’t mean one cannot be “saved” or a decent “Christian” in Mormonism, if that makes any sense. So,I guess in that sense I would agree with you. Just like in many other denominations that are off, I think one can obtain “salvation” or at least a relationship with Christ and be a good decent Christian (at least for a while) in almost every denomination. But eventually I think that God and the Holy Spirit will lead many of them to the truth, or to a “more correct version”of Christianity, as this seems to be happening with a lot of them too. But I think you missed my points too. As I said people love to conflate things. Again, let’s go back to what I mentioned...what do you mean by “basics “?? Because that’s a very vague statement which means different things to different people. I explained all of that, but I think maybe you’ve missed the point, but then you’ve totally actually made a perfect example my other main point too. 🤷🏻♂️ I do agree with you in one sense though.
@@nute742 additionally, this brings up another good point and discussion. One of which I’ve had many times with people for several decades and some agree and some disagree. But Everyone has different stances and that’s OK. Either Theology/beliefs matter…. And we must believe every single thing exactly as passed down by the apostles and Christ from the early church. (which isn’t found in modern Christianity anyway) then which also means there’s only one church that is totally correct and the rest are all in heresy and wrong. And that means 95% of Christianity is lost and incorrect. But then what kind of a God would he be if that were true? OR… Theology and exact beliefs don’t really matter … and using your words (and this guy in the video) as long as we believe “ the basics” ….(which again is very vague, and there’s really no way to define that). But then every Christian in every church or sect and denomination are all equally correct and we are all going to heaven. So, then it doesn’t matter anyway. Which means we shouldn’t be judgmental and judging one another as we will all be together in heaven where there is no religion or denomination anyway and we will all just be worshiping together. I’ve gone back-and-forth over the years, struggling with that myself. I now tend to go with more of the second version… although I still think doctrine is also super important, but not really necessary for salvation …unless you deny Christ or some type of outlandish thing. So there’s that. 🤷🏻♂️
@@zealousideal Very true! I think most all christian religions have "portions" of the truth (and much of this is common ground in the belief in christ). The other "details" (small, medium or large) are not always shared though. However like you said - we shouldn't be judgmental of differing beliefs (many coming from tradition or interpretation) otherwise most christian religions would be false (lol). In the end I do believe finding the truths are important (it's a progressive and ongoing thing). But I like what Jesus said (from the chosen) that the "Father" cares more about our heart! vs the badge that we wear (because isn't that's what it all about in the first place)? With that said - if Jesus said to do something - we better listen though (if we have good hearts and know him - we'll do it)! Okay food for thought and thanks :)
@@zealousideal I agree the "name" thing is not everything but it is a start (so from there you can whittle down a lot of churches) (And that is what Jesus said himself) So who am I (or anyone) to argue with that? The basics from what I said where to believe in Jesus and who he was (2) His mission: Savoir of mankind for our sins (3) Overcame death -- so we can all be resurrected, etc. I think all churches believe the Savoir is the only way back to God (and his atonement - made it possible).
Regardless of how many Christian denominations there are (due to confusion and misunderstandings about certain topics), the Message is always the same. Jesus died for our sins. He rose from the dead, so one day, we all can have everlasting life.
Newsflash LDS believe that too. So if it is that simple that we accept that message, there is no reason to target us for having difference in certain topics.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 ...certain topics?...uhhh newsflash, you have temple ordinances required for exaltation, the first and second token of the Melchizedek priesthood? where is that in the Bible? A book called the book of Abraham that is clearly not translated accurately. Even BYU Egyptologist agree that they don't know why it is not translated correctly, why is that? Is the Book of Abraham Scripture like the bible? In the King Follett Discourse, Joseph Smith Jr. claimed God was once a man...ie. the King Follett Discourse. Joseph Smith drank wine and beer, even before he was martyred. Why is that? It's all documented. Maybe you should read your church history. So, no your differences go deep. Please think about these things and pray that God will guide you and that the Holy Spirit will lead you to the truthfulness of all things. I testify this in the name of Jesus Christ Amen!
Not true at all. All Christian churches do not adhere to the Nicene creed. Many don’t believe in it or don’t even repeat it or learn it. And even within the nicene creed, it’s very basic and generic. “Essentials” are relative too. Let me ask you this. What do you consider essentials?? because what you consider another Church may not consider that essentials. Also, everyone doesn’t agree on the essentials. Let’s start with the very very basic thing, like the Trinity. So not all Christians even believe in the trinity, so there’s that. So I just debunked your whole statement and this whole video. 🤷🏻♂️ 🤨
All the "non essentials" as you call it , have always been essential enough to cause separation and division. If there was a division regarding baptism, is baptism then non essential? If there is division over gay marriage, is that also non essential? If there's division over women in the priesthood, is that non essential?
@@zealousideal if they don’t believe in the Nicene creed they’re just not Christian. That’s a fact. The Nicene creed is the document which established a basis for all Christians to work from. Rejecting it essentially creates no binding meaning behind the word Christian. Frankly, it’s weak theology. The essentials are the Nicene creed, without it, there’s no Christianity. “Christians” who don’t believe in the trinity aren’t Christians since the trinity is in the Nicene creed btw. This is why Mormons aren’t Christian. Also the monolatry.
@@45s262 if they aren’t listed in the Nicene creed they aren’t essentials yes. Some of those positions have stronger or weaker arguments for or against them, but ultimately, they’re not essential to being a Christian. The essentials of Christianity are the bare bones basic stuff someone must believe in to be a Christian. That’s what the Nicene creed is
And just today I was told that the LDS honors the Scriptures. But that they also use an "updated" account from God called the Book of Mormon. And in the next breath told me the Scriptures are corrupted, full of errors and contradictions. Why would the LDS honor a book they tell us us irrevocably flawed and untrustworthy? That makes no sense. Riddle me that.......
Naaa, you still get Mormonism wrong. The idea that only "visible members of the Church" will enter Gods kingdom proves that you do not know Mormon theolofy and scriptures, but rather try to make it sound as if that were a fact. This actually is always a funny contradiction. Some Evangelicals love to make it look so bad and evil that "only Mormons" can enter Gods presence.. And yet they totally oversee that its not about Mormonism, but about coming unto Christ. In fact, in LDS theology those that would have follower Christ, if they had a chance, will also enter Gods kingdom. Now lets compare this to your view. If I undestand correctly, you believe that only those that come across the Bible and that get it right will enter Gods kingdom, meaning that most of mankind will actually enter hell, because most of umankind has never known about the Bible. That means that God is not just limited in his promise and desire to save all of humkind, but it also means that Christs atonement was only for a handfull of lucky (or presetined dudes) that had the fortune to come across the Bible. I think its good that you clarify the fact witht he denominations... but the core essence is still true, many of those that claim to understand the Bible in a saving way, still disagree and fight over all sorts of doctrines. It all comes down to the very question, how do you truly know truth withou any doubt? The Bible itself can suffice for that, though everyone that believes to have the right interpretation believes just that. And if I see how you interpret the LDS faith, and how often you err in that interpretation, do I wonder how right your interpretation of the Bible actually is.
😂so which one is that!?? 😂😂😂 that’s the first problem. Secondly, if there even really was one original Church and we did for sure know which one that was, doesn’t make that one correct. They obviously had a lot of errors too. Because things that they teach, practiced and believed are against the gospel. 🤷🏻♂️
There is only one truth. Only one. And his name is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. If you desire in your heart to know him in the fullness of the truth DO NOT be a generalist Christian - you will be no better than agnostic. Rather, have integrity in your beliefs. Don’t be this or that because someone told you to believe it, but because Christ himself has inspired truth in you. The first church’s to consider are the ones who claim, with integrity and substance, that they have with them the fullness of the truth n Jesus Christ; also, that those who choose not to convert are still capable of Christ’s salvation through baptismal desire in their hearts.
@@gingernutpreacher we cannot be fools if you follow the Lord’s teaching on discerning between good and false teaching and prophesy. Our Lord said that true prophesy and true teaching bear good fruits and leads the faithful to him.
There are only two churches .. the Roman catholic church and the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.. ALL other churches are in some way or other splits and schisms of these.. Where did protestantism begin ? That's what I thought
But the reformation proves one thing in common with the Latter-day Saints, we both agree that the Roman catholic church strayed from the doctrines taught in the church Christ established..
Credal Christianity doesnt hold a candle to the true restored church of Jesus Christ. Its no wonder everyone you know who leaves the LDS church goes straight to atheism. Its the only theology that can even compete.
I do have to admit, becoming a God and having celestial sex with thousands of women seems hard to beat. "But we know that's not true. Just taught by a bunch of perverts
🙏 To preach Repentance and Remission of sins to Everyone, All nations Luke 24:47 KJV and that [repentance] and [remission of sins] should be [preached] in his name among [all nations,] beginning at Jerusalem. - Sincere turn from (practice) of (sin) and (willful sin) or (All) will perish Luke 13:3 KJV I tell you, [Nay:] but, except [ye repent,] ye shall [all] [likewise] [perish.] - Believe for your faith will save you, for believing leads to (pardon of sins) to not (die) in (sin) John 8:24 KJV I said therefore unto you, that [ye shall die] in your sins: for [if ye believe not] that I am he, ye shall [die] in your [sins.] - Receive forgiveness of sins when we are converted, + multiple ways for remission of sins, (pardon of sins) Acts 10:43 KJV To him give all the prophets witness, that through his [name] [whosoever believeth] [in him] shall [receive] [remission of sins.] - Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself, for love will (cover) all sins, (pardon of sins) Proverbs 10:12 KJV Hatred stirreth up strifes: but [love] [covereth] all [sins.] Luke 7:47 KJV Wherefore I say unto thee, [Her sins,] which [are many,] [are forgiven;] for [she loved much:] but to whom [little is forgiven,] the same [loveth little.] - Have frevernt (love) among (the brethren) and (the people) for frevernt (love,) giving, having conpassion shall (cover) the multitude of sins, (pardon of sins) 1 Peter 4:8 KJV And above all things have fervent [charity] [among yourselves:] for [charity] shall [cover] the [multitude of sins.] - Preaching and (converting the sinner) from the error of his way will (hide) a multitude of sins, (pardon of sins) James 5:20 KJV Let him know, that he which [converteth] the sinner from the [error of his way] shall save a [soul] from [death,] and shall [hide] a [multitude of sins.] - Confession of sin, confess your sins everyday for the forgiveness of sins, (pardon of sins) 1 John 1:9 KJV If we [confess] our sins, he is faithful and just to [forgive] us [our sins,] and to [cleanse us] from all [unrighteousness.] - (Water baptism) for the (remission of sins), remission/pardon/forgiveness of sins Acts 2:38 KJV Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be [baptized] every one of you in the [name] of [Jesus Christ] for the [remission of sins,] and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. - To give knowledge of salvation to all by the (remission) of (our) (sins), (pardon of sins) Luke 1:77 KJV To give [knowledge] of [salvation] unto his people [by] the [remission] of their [sins,] - Those (predestined), will die in (0 sin,) all sins were pardoned by the (remission of sins) Matthew 24:13 KJV [13] But he that shall [endure] unto [the end,] the same [shall be saved.]
LDS belief is that the institution of the church holds the priesthood keys to perform baptism, Eucharist, and the sealing power given by God to Elijah. We also believe in the idea of the Church of the Firstborn which is more in line with what you describe for Protestants, being that all who pursue a relationship with Christ (or would if they only heard the gospel) can be united with Christ and fellow believers. Not everyone in the LDS church will choose to walk all the way with Christ, not everyone outside of the LDS Church is doomed to ignorance and punishment.
Suffice it to say that there are tens of thousands of different denominations, established by different men, at different times, in different places, according to the differing interpretations of the Bible by those who established them. No two of them are exactly alike in doctrine, interpretation, or any other way. Therefore traditional Christianity is like a marketplace of counterfeiters, all trying to approximate the Bible. They all claim validation by virtue of the Bible. But the Bible teaches one Christ and one gospel, as opposed to tens of thousands of different Christs and gospels in Bible based religion. So rather than validate them, the Bible stands as a silent witness against them. Not only has this criminal enterprise attempted to counterfeit the truth. But they have each presumed to elect themselves to Gods service. Thus dispossessing God of his free agency to call his own servants. So they bully God as it were. It is to them as if there were no real God but what they think and feel about the Bible.
Ephesians 4 also talks about Gods church having prophets and apostles. Sounds like The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints more than it does an evangelical denomination.
As always, a lot of work for such poor information. I don't know of any member who actually uses this argument as a MAIN reason for not joining your faith. Yeah they probably see the division of Trinitarians online calling as many other trinitarian or non trinitarian denominations false and that's confusing. But the large majority who leave and still believe in Christ reject religion altogether and join nondenominational churches. I keep saying to this channel and they don't keep listening that they need actual members to help them correct the poor information with actual truth on what we believe and how we view other Christian sects. Even if there was only one Catholic Church denomination. We would still be LDS cause we received an answer that NONE OF THE TRINITARIAN SECTS ARE TRULY CHRISTIAN. THEY ALL REJECT THE POWER OF GOD. It doesn't make no difference whether that's 1 or 40000, they're still wrong.
@@GLM Thats the problem! All of your show is hearsay. I don't know WHO your talking to: EXmormons, nonMormons, inactive members, active members. No active member is convincing people to stay in the Church because the Christian denomination number is so high. We obviously feel they are much safer in our Church, but if they want to leave we want them to stick with Christ however they can. If someone chooses Atheism, that's not because of our narrative, that's because you guys frankly don't do a good job with unity and ceasing your bickering with eachother and with us. They didn't see empathy as a Mormon. They didn't see a desire for understanding. Like when show like yours only have one side of the story.
What I claimed in the video was simply what I've heard (from active, inactive, and exMormons, for what it's worth). If that's not a point you'd use in a conversation - that's fine! I was responding to a concept that I personally run across.
Also - It's a joy to delight in the unity Christians have in the Lord Jesus! Even if that's NOT something Latter-day Saints poke it - may it encourage Christians and glorify God!
@@GLM No its not fine. You spreading any a red light over my faith like you actually know it is Satanic and should stop immediately. The only integrity you can muster is to have an active LDS speak for himself. Otherwise you are conflating the issue, providing false information and minimizing our beliefs. You are no different than the Jews who stoned Stephen.
Stop saying that you apostates are Christian because you are NOT! Peter prophesied in Acts 3:29 that the heavens would receive Christ until "the times of the restitution of ALL things." !!! Christ came back from heaven to restore His true Christian church with the true foundation of prophets and apostles and EVERY other thing the He set up including baptism by immersion and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost, born of the water and the Spirit and NOT stupid altar calls that were never done in Christ's true Christian church! Christ stated that if you are not one, you are not mine, no matter how many AGREE!!! The scriptures clearly state that there is ONE FAITH and ONE BAPTISM!!! So, stop the hell saying that you are Christian because you are sure as hell NOT!!! Continued..
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True Christian unity is 1) invisibly spiritual, as we're bound to Christ (and thus one another) by faith and sealed with the Holy Spirit, and 2) visibly doctrinal, as we hold to the common historic doctrines of the Christian faith.
always convenient for frauds to claim things are invisible.
@@velkyn1 God is invisible
@@BNichols021 He is also visible (the apostle Stephen saw both He (God the Father) + Jesus together! This proves they are "separate" in being but on the same team (of course)! The Holy spirit allows us to feel Gods present everywhere (that is where he comes in too).
@@BNichols021 Not per the bible. Moses saw god. The elders of the tribes saw god.
"9 Then Moses and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel went up, 10 and they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there was something like a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness. 11 God[a] did not lay his hand on the chief men of the people of Israel; also they beheld God, and they ate and drank." Exodus 24
As a former Mormon I loved this video. I am a Christian and it is my passion to share the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Praise God!
You can start with correcting the lies in this video.
I’d be curious if you could show where the trinity is in the Bible?
@@Kapayapaanman same place Nephi is, though you’ll believe in one but not the other.
Praise God for you
Thank you for addressing this! This myth is so pervasive that even when Mormons do leave the church, most of them don't consider Christianity as a valid option. My husband and I both come from families that are LDS going back generations, and most of our family are still true-believing Mormons. Those who have left (besides us) are agnostic or atheist now. If anyone's so inclined, we'd really appreciate payer for the salvation of our families. ✝️
May the Lord save them!
What’s sad is you think they are going to hell because they believe differently.
Your god sounds really depressed.
Evangelicalism is just nonsense after knowing the depth of the what is out there.
@@KapayapaanmanThe world building in LOTR is pretty in depth. Does that make middle earth real? Detailed lies are still lies, and made all the worse for the intricacy of the deception.
@@lauracheever what is LOTR and middle earth? I don’t follow.
@@lauracheever You are making things up again. There is no myth that was created from our Church. There was no announcement from a pulpit that Christians are a bad choice because they have 40000 different denomination. If anything that is just a common misconception on your part because it is the main argument of Catholics which are disgusted by your division. We never borrowed their narrative either. We let everyone worship God according to their own conscience. AofF11
I’ve also heard this many times and thought 40,000 had to be way too high. Nonetheless, it’s great to be reminded that our unity in Christ goes beyond an organization and is rooted in the person of Christ Himself.
If so, then why do people attack other christian churches (like the lds, etc)? Maybe its because "their version" is correct but others are not (but wait, I thought we should not fight and all are united in Christ)? I get the confusion and hypocrisy. Maybe christians should all build on common ground and support each other. (just a thought)
Everyone knows 40,000 doesn’t sound right. But it’s because how they are counting it. People don’t understand the word denomination versus sect versus schism. Etc. That’s why.
The problem is, even if there is only 100 denominations which there’s probably more more than that or even 50 denominations that still horrible for a faith that’s supposed to be the most united and in the truth!!
@nute742 I mean the lds church adds alot to Christianity and changes various things from the Bible. You can't blame Christians for thinking that way. When I hear that I need works to go to the best tier of heaven and give a lot of my money I don't like that.
LDS have very little common ground with them.@@nute742
Amen. I'm blessed to be a member of the one holy catholic (universal) and apostolic Church of the Lord Jesus Christ! Soli Deo Gloria! 💖
Only 6 Protestant denominations - Lutheran, Anglican, Calvinist, Armenian, (Ana)Baptist, and Pentecostal. Everything else is a mixture or derivation of them.
Meh. Ehhhh… not really, Maybe in your book, but not according to experts and scholars.
There’s a reason they are broken down into the groups they’re broken down into. there’s a reason they all have names and different beliefs and different traditions. Lol 😂 it’s not up to an individual to redefine what that means.
Your “denominations” are not correct anyway because Calvinism and Arminianism are not even denominations. Those are Theology systems, which are found within the other four you mentioned. So first you have to understand what each one believes and what the word “denomination” itself means before you can make your own list.
There’s a difference between denomination, sect, and schism as well which people conflate these definitions and lump them all into one which is another problem why you have this faulty number.
Though you could (in a sense) make the argument that there are “four mainstream” ones (Anglican, Lutheran, Baptist and Pentecostal) and everything else is an offshoot or mixture of them..yes in a sense I’d buy that. In fact that’s is pretty much known and sort of how it works but not entirely.
There’s a good video someone did very in depth and broke all that down. I’ll try to link it here.
ruclips.net/video/8q6FUlay-M8/видео.htmlsi=CM20lO2XHKsuTieU
And only one true Catholic and apostolic church. The Catholic Church
@@zonteven2167 amen 🙏🏽
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
...why don't you read the rest of the verses. In fact, read the whole chapter and post it!
@@BGCflyer 1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
John 5:45
Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
I have already posted whole chapters before Bruce.
Enjoyed this, thought it might include the interview we did at G3, when do you guys plan on releasing that video?
I have tons of footage to trod through, will get there eventually!
Look forward to it and appreciate your work. May God richly bless your ministry and may He open the eyes of Mormons. @@GLM
I'm so glad you addressed this topic!! Most latter day saints I've talked to have a false understanding of what denominations are.
What false understanding do we have about them?
@@jacobsamuelson3181 @jacobsamuelson3181 well I don't know about your own personal beliefs, but here are a few things when I talked to my friends that stood out:
1.) They were taught each church denomination was its own religion
2.) They thought Calvinism was a religion
3.) They thought the name of a church was the denomination (i.e. The Mission Church was a type of church that was all over the world)
4.) One thought the LDS church was just another Christian denomination
5.) They thought because their were different denominations that none of them were true
There were other things in conversation but that's all I can think of off the top of my head rn
@@Marisa-yf1vc Yeah that's understandable. Just so you know none of these points came from the Church teaching them this but likely just from the little in general they know about Christian denominations in general. Even Christians would have a similar list to separate denominations. Catholics would certainly stress these points out too but they are far more informative than we are. Unlike most protestant churches, LDS don't ever talk about other denominations at Church so there is very little we know about them, but from what I understand Protestants might go to a church where people can be worshipping with other people of different denominations. You have access to deciding what teachings you hold to and which Church to go to so you have a better understanding. Yeah if you talked to some people that had this low of understanding it is likely from hearsay from multiple character which is why I discourage channels that only have one end of the story. There are some good channels to direct people for on RUclips I personally like ready to harvest. He tries to be unbiased as possible.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 I don’t think that is true we mainly talk about how we can be reconciled to Christ and the gospel at church! When talking about evangelism then yes we talk about other religions and how they can also receive God by faith alone through grace alone it is all on the power of Christ and his word!
@@guzmangarrett267 Other religions maybe but not other denomations within that religion. I'm saying we don't single out people and say Calvinism is it's own religion. We don't go deep like the points the OP was mentioning. That misinformation mentioned doesn't originate from us telling them in order to stay away from them altogether as it is portrayed to be.
Do they not realize here are somewhere around 125 denominations of just the Mormon faith...
"Let me tell you why we are not apostate from the authority of God."
Proceeds to tear down another faith...
You know, it seems to me that if you're actually a church full of truth and light that you'd ignore what others are saying and simply teach truth and light. Instead, contention and malice are spread "in the name of Jesus".
Joseph Smith was the first one to tear down other Christian faiths.
Great Stuff as always!
Great video, I always though the 40,000 number was high.
Same - I never looked into it though. I think it's super ironic that it INCLUDES Latter-day Saints and various LDS splinter groups! Hopefully this helps set the record straight a bit.
I always thought 2 was too high considering what Paul says in Corinthians of unity.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 So the community of Christ, the Brighamite sect of the LDS church, the FLDS, the Bickertonite sect, the Elijah sect... what happened to your unity of doctrine?
@@jacobsamuelson3181 their can be unity with differences. That was Paul’s whole point in 1 Corinthians 12
@@1689-Cigars Obviously Paul didn't want robots, but what you have is separate Churches who emphasize different scriptures. Completely not what Paul wanted.
So if there is "one faith, one baptism" etc - then why don't a lot of evangelicals believe they "don't" have to get baptized? Truly - Jesus said you cannot come to my fathers kingdom unless you are baptized by water and the spirit. He (Jesus) showed us the "perfect" example! Again with so "many" denominations out there, none of us can say our fellow Christian isn't Christian - because of our opinions. Only Jesus (our Lord and Savoir) can decide that. God is a god of "more" and not less (and is no "respecter" of persons). Okay food for thought :)
The example of the thief on the cross with Jesus is a great example of why you do not have to be baptized to be saved.
@@joshuakersey3897 The thief went to Paradise ( which is a great start!) however it is not heaven where the father lives. Jesus says to live where the father lives you have to be baptized. However the thief can still accept baptism through ordinances as it was taught in the Bible
I was born in LDS, my mom is still a very TBM. I stopped believing when I was 13/14 when I watched my dad suffer and then die. It took me from age 13 to 17 to believe in anything at all. I am grateful I got out as early as I did. I wouldn't have gotten out if my dad hasnt passed away. Going from LDS to nothing to a little bit of something was probably the most confusing time trying to figure out where to go to learn more about the little bit that I have without reverting back to my LDS indoctrination. Trying to untabgle that mess took a long time, too
I’ve seen LDS apologist types bring this up recently. And they tend to bring it up as just a self-evident proof: multiple Christian denominations means they’re all false. LDS people (and I used to be one) are so conditioned to thinking in terms of “the one true church” that they really struggle to see any other viewpoint. But yes, the fact is I’m now an Episcopalian, and I’m fully able to serve in the ELCA Lutheran church that I attend, including helping prepare and administer the sacrament, give healing blessings, and even fill in preaching when the pastor is away. And, as you say, even though I might disagree with certain things that the LCMS or evangelical churches teach (or even the Episcopal Church for that matter), it doesn’t mean that I’m not a Christian. Folks, Jesus didn’t establish a church. His followers did. There has always been diversity within Christianity. Embrace it. Love it. It’s cool!
All Christian churches have some truth in them - so we as Christians should celebrate this (vs telling our other neighbors) that they're not Christian (which is not very Christian (lol) in my opinion). One faith, one baptism, one people! God bless :)
Well said brother!
I too believe in a universal and invisible spiritual church. You sound like one of the church fathers. I'll need to look up his name again. I may be becoming Catholic but I do believe in said church unity as you speak of and I am glad you are passionate about this. You may not be Roman Catholic, but you are a part of the Church Catholic if you know what I mean, as you are a disciple of Jesus Christ. Pax Vobiscum, fratrum in Christum (Peace be with you, brother in Christ).
I left mormonism because I wanted to join Jesus,Moses, Isaiah, King David, Jeremiah's religion, Judaism.
I’m LDS and enjoyed your view. I’m glad we can cling together to our God, Lord, & Saviour Jesus Christ in now post-Christian America. All followers of Christ need to support each other in the coming persecution from the U.S. federal & state governments.
Thats not the intent of his channel and video.. I saw a video lately wnere Evangicals refused to pray with returned missionaries because they said they dont want to support praying to a flase God... So they will most likely never agree that this is "our God"...
There is one Church that has preserved the faith of the Apostles unchanged for 2,000 years: the Eastern Orthodox Church. I pray that everyone may discover Orthodoxy, which maintains the fullness of the Christian faith.
Exactly, One Lord, One baptism and "One Faith"? One church, not multiple different churches who all teach different form one another and also do not agree with one another.
If this is Jesus Christ true church like you claim, then who is the Prophet that leads it. Where are the Apotles?
You say invisible church, but Christ church wasn't invisible when he organized it when he was alive on the earth. There in deed was a physical church, and the Bible is clear on that.
How many splinter groups have emerged from LDS?
@richarner3856 There have been many splinter groups from the LDS church. However, that's nothing new. Since the Lord first organized his church, there have been many that splintered off. John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
This is only but a small part of examples I've shared here in the Bible.
But what's your point?
Christianity can be taxonomically divided into six main groups: Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Oriental Orthodoxy, Eastern Orthodoxy, the Church of the East, and Restorationism
Who says what’s an essential vs. non-essential belief? It seems convenient to categorize disagreements as non-essential in an effort to appear more unified than Protestants are.
One Lord, one faith, one baptism? If you differ on the mode, method, and timing, even the necessity of baptism THAT IS NOT A ONENESS.. you are gaslighting..
If your standards are so low that you think that qualifies as oneness then surely the unity of one lord, one faith, one baptism as found in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints should meet or exceed your expectations.. if you were honest..
Thank you for this -- I've been sharing this Truth on a number of sites. In fact, any Mormon who has trusted Jesus as their Savior is a member of the True Spiritual Church. Sadly, the Mormon organizational claim is just a further indication of the deception under which they live and continue to support their false beliefs
WHY IS IT THAT WHENEVER I SEE THESE KIND OF VIDEOS, I CAN IMAGINE LUCIFER TRYING TO CONVINCE 1/3 OF THE SPIRITS IN HEAVEN TO FOLLOW HIM AND FIGHT AGAINST HEAVENLY FATHER? 😊😊😊
All you need is one apostate denomination.. if you have one, then ALL OTHERS which flow from it are FALSE
Even many individuals among denominations have distinct theological opinions. For example, I met an Orthodox woman who accepts the filioque and most Orthodox people reject the filioque. I even have a lot of Protestant viewpoints. In part because of my upbringing but also in part because of my historical studies which favors both the Catholic and the Protestants. I even took the Martin Luther tour.
🤷♂️ Christ’s church was spiritually and institutionally unified from the start by design. Disregarding the need for institutional unity just seems convenient for Protestants rather than being true
Beliefs alone don’t make you Christian. Who a person is and what a person does also makes them Christian if they do the will of the Father.
I guess this it what happens when you believe in the false doctrine of the trinity 🤔
GLM says differences between evangelical denominations are non essential issues. That’s a very self excusing viewpoint.
I liked this video, then unliked it, just so I could like it again!
I wouldn’t say Christianity isn’t “institutional but rather spiritual” because Jesus Christ did indeed institute the Christian religion (religion, despite the modern view of it, was always defined as a relationship between God and man). It’s actually more appropriate to say that Christianity is a spiritual institution formed by Jesus Christ.
Differ in "non essential" Christian doctrine..? 😂 tell yourself that buddy.. obviously it was "essential" enough to separate over..😂
Ephesians 4:11 sure sounds like Christ's church is something we can see and witness. Many more observable parts of the Church Christ established in the New Testament as well.
Very well done Bradley and team. Beautiful, true content with great production
As a retired pastor, I’d totally disagree here, though I wanted to and tried to believe what you are getting at all my life.
1. Why do you keep comparing Christianity to LDS? That is sort of a bad comparison. LDS are not really considered a true form of Christianity. They’re considered a cult or fringe group. That’s not being mean or judgmental, that’s just the stance of Christendom in general.
2. Whether it’s 40,000 or 100 or even 20 that’s still horrible.
3. I think everyone would agree that Christianity is far too divided significantly more than any other faith, which is a huge detriment.
4. Most denominations don’t agree on the basics. I don’t know why people keep saying this because it’s not true. So, what do you even consider basics for one? Basics to 1 Christian or denomination is different basics to another Christian or denomination. But even the so-called basics don’t line up in many denominations either. Hence, wherein lies the problem.
5. For example, let me ask you…what must you do to be “saved”? Well asking that to a Baptist is different to asking that of a Charismatic or nondenominational or a Pentecostal. It can even be sometimes different between most Christian denominations and even within some of the mainline denominations. Some baptize infants and some don’t. Some say you must be baptized to be born again and some say you don’t have to be baptized.
Then some say you need to have the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues, some say you don’t. I mean just these are but a few examples which are pretty much “basics “ to me and if we can’t even get these basics right then that’s a huge problem. So, I would say that that this would totally debunk this whole video, unfortunately.
6. Catholics and Orthodox would also totally disagree with all of them and this video because they believe that Christ started one true visible Church, and anyone outside of that specific Church is lost and damned. The problem is they both teach that and they’re also both different churches with different beliefs, so which one is the true one!?! 🤨 😂
This is why many are leaving Christianity in droves (as they see it as a joke and mass confusion) and either becoming atheist, Muslim, or another religion which isn’t divided, and knows what they believe. 🤷🏻♂️
Great points, however I would say that LDS are also Christian. As per the "Definition" is to believe in who he is (born to Mary), his mission (the savoir), and resurrection (is our Lord) - they believe in all of these things(the basics) which is the most important. Notably they even have named their church after him (which Jesus said was one of the requirements for his church)! So it looks like they'd be on the right path, and high up there. So people shouldn't be mad, or jealous by this (as Jesus teachings are not meant to segregate or brag) but for everyone to learn the truth! All in all they seem like they are pretty nice people with good standards too (by the fruits you shall know them). With that said all Christian denominations - should come together, support one another and build on common ground (which is what Jesus taught).
@@nute742 well I kind of disagree overall, but I believe that yes in a basic sense they are Christians. Honestly, Most Mormons that I know are very godly /spiritual, and God-fearing and good people. But then again, so are most Muslims I know. Also, Just because someone named their church after “Christ” doesn’t make it more Christian, for one. In fact many churches do that. So, That’s a very bad argument. Also, do you know all what they believe ?? Because they believe a lot of outlandish things that is nowhere near Christianity at all, not sound, nor found within Christian tradition. I’m not personally judging them, just saying what experts, theologians and scholars within all Christian traditions say.
Also, as I stated, most experts say they are not a true form of Christianity at all. Again, that’s not my own judgment, that’s just the judgment of Christiandom itself.
I guess for argument sake, one could say that their faith is at least a little “off” or not a “true form” of Christianity, which I would definitely agree with. But it doesn’t mean one cannot be “saved” or a decent “Christian” in Mormonism, if that makes any sense. So,I guess in that sense I would agree with you. Just like in many other denominations that are off, I think one can obtain “salvation” or at least a relationship with Christ and be a good decent Christian (at least for a while) in almost every denomination. But eventually I think that God and the Holy Spirit will lead many of them to the truth, or to a “more correct version”of Christianity, as this seems to be happening with a lot of them too.
But I think you missed my points too. As I said people love to conflate things.
Again, let’s go back to what I mentioned...what do you mean by “basics “?? Because that’s a very vague statement which means different things to different people. I explained all of that, but I think maybe you’ve missed the point, but then you’ve totally actually made a perfect example my other main point too. 🤷🏻♂️ I do agree with you in one sense though.
@@nute742 additionally, this brings up another good point and discussion. One of which I’ve had many times with people for several decades and some agree and some disagree. But Everyone has different stances and that’s OK.
Either Theology/beliefs matter…. And we must believe every single thing exactly as passed down by the apostles and Christ from the early church. (which isn’t found in modern Christianity anyway) then which also means there’s only one church that is totally correct and the rest are all in heresy and wrong.
And that means 95% of Christianity is lost and incorrect. But then what kind of a God would he be if that were true?
OR…
Theology and exact beliefs don’t really matter … and using your words (and this guy in the video) as long as we believe “ the basics” ….(which again is very vague, and there’s really no way to define that). But then every Christian in every church or sect and denomination are all equally correct and we are all going to heaven. So, then it doesn’t matter anyway. Which means we shouldn’t be judgmental and judging one another as we will all be together in heaven where there is no religion or denomination anyway and we will all just be worshiping together.
I’ve gone back-and-forth over the years, struggling with that myself. I now tend to go with more of the second version… although I still think doctrine is also super important, but not really necessary for salvation …unless you deny Christ or some type of outlandish thing.
So there’s that. 🤷🏻♂️
@@zealousideal Very true! I think most all christian religions have "portions" of the truth (and much of this is common ground in the belief in christ). The other "details" (small, medium or large) are not always shared though. However like you said - we shouldn't be judgmental of differing beliefs (many coming from tradition or interpretation) otherwise most christian religions would be false (lol). In the end I do believe finding the truths are important (it's a progressive and ongoing thing). But I like what Jesus said (from the chosen) that the "Father" cares more about our heart! vs the badge that we wear (because isn't that's what it all about in the first place)? With that said - if Jesus said to do something - we better listen though (if we have good hearts and know him - we'll do it)! Okay food for thought and thanks :)
@@zealousideal I agree the "name" thing is not everything but it is a start (so from there you can whittle down a lot of churches) (And that is what Jesus said himself) So who am I (or anyone) to argue with that? The basics from what I said where to believe in Jesus and who he was (2) His mission: Savoir of mankind for our sins (3) Overcame death -- so we can all be resurrected, etc. I think all churches believe the Savoir is the only way back to God (and his atonement - made it possible).
Sorry Dude I have tried 😢 and they all failed.
AMEM, AMEN, AMEN.
Regardless of how many Christian denominations there are (due to confusion and misunderstandings about certain topics), the Message is always the same. Jesus died for our sins. He rose from the dead, so one day, we all can have everlasting life.
Newsflash LDS believe that too. So if it is that simple that we accept that message, there is no reason to target us for having difference in certain topics.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 well said!
@@jacobsamuelson3181 ...certain topics?...uhhh newsflash, you have temple ordinances required for exaltation, the first and second token of the Melchizedek priesthood? where is that in the Bible?
A book called the book of Abraham that is clearly not translated accurately. Even BYU Egyptologist agree that they don't know why it is not translated correctly, why is that? Is the Book of Abraham Scripture like the bible?
In the King Follett Discourse, Joseph Smith Jr. claimed God was once a man...ie. the King Follett Discourse. Joseph Smith drank wine and beer, even before he was martyred. Why is that? It's all documented.
Maybe you should read your church history. So, no your differences go deep. Please think about these things and pray that God will guide you and that the Holy Spirit will lead you to the truthfulness of all things. I testify this in the name of Jesus Christ Amen!
there is no apostacy and there never was joseph made that up so people would join his church
Wrong!! Where did protestantism begin? That's what I thought.. Protestants are apostate catholics.
Even catholics refer to Protestants as heretics
1+1=2
By the way, please don't count my LDS Church as a protestant church. Are you an ex-mo? 😅😅😅
Well, all Christian churches adhere to the Nicene creed. In essentials, they’re unified. But in the non-essentials, it’s open to debate.
Not true at all. All Christian churches do not adhere to the Nicene creed. Many don’t believe in it or don’t even repeat it or learn it. And even within the nicene creed, it’s very basic and generic.
“Essentials” are relative too. Let me ask you this. What do you consider essentials?? because what you consider another Church may not consider that essentials.
Also, everyone doesn’t agree on the essentials. Let’s start with the very very basic thing, like the Trinity. So not all Christians even believe in the trinity, so there’s that. So I just debunked your whole statement and this whole video. 🤷🏻♂️ 🤨
All the "non essentials" as you call it , have always been essential enough to cause separation and division. If there was a division regarding baptism, is baptism then non essential? If there is division over gay marriage, is that also non essential? If there's division over women in the priesthood, is that non essential?
@@zealousideal if they don’t believe in the Nicene creed they’re just not Christian. That’s a fact. The Nicene creed is the document which established a basis for all Christians to work from. Rejecting it essentially creates no binding meaning behind the word Christian. Frankly, it’s weak theology. The essentials are the Nicene creed, without it, there’s no Christianity.
“Christians” who don’t believe in the trinity aren’t Christians since the trinity is in the Nicene creed btw. This is why Mormons aren’t Christian. Also the monolatry.
@@45s262 if they aren’t listed in the Nicene creed they aren’t essentials yes. Some of those positions have stronger or weaker arguments for or against them, but ultimately, they’re not essential to being a Christian. The essentials of Christianity are the bare bones basic stuff someone must believe in to be a Christian. That’s what the Nicene creed is
Name the essential doctrines
And just today I was told that the LDS honors the Scriptures. But that they also use an "updated" account from God called the Book of Mormon. And in the next breath told me the Scriptures are corrupted, full of errors and contradictions.
Why would the LDS honor a book they tell us us irrevocably flawed and untrustworthy?
That makes no sense.
Riddle me that.......
They cherry pick verses when it supports their doctrine
900 various translations of translations will 100% inevitably lose something from the original text.. not complicated
Naaa, you still get Mormonism wrong. The idea that only "visible members of the Church" will enter Gods kingdom proves that you do not know Mormon theolofy and scriptures, but rather try to make it sound as if that were a fact.
This actually is always a funny contradiction. Some Evangelicals love to make it look so bad and evil that "only Mormons" can enter Gods presence.. And yet they totally oversee that its not about Mormonism, but about coming unto Christ. In fact, in LDS theology those that would have follower Christ, if they had a chance, will also enter Gods kingdom.
Now lets compare this to your view.
If I undestand correctly, you believe that only those that come across the Bible and that get it right will enter Gods kingdom, meaning that most of mankind will actually enter hell, because most of umankind has never known about the Bible.
That means that God is not just limited in his promise and desire to save all of humkind, but it also means that Christs atonement was only for a handfull of lucky (or presetined dudes) that had the fortune to come across the Bible.
I think its good that you clarify the fact witht he denominations... but the core essence is still true, many of those that claim to understand the Bible in a saving way, still disagree and fight over all sorts of doctrines.
It all comes down to the very question, how do you truly know truth withou any doubt? The Bible itself can suffice for that, though everyone that believes to have the right interpretation believes just that.
And if I see how you interpret the LDS faith, and how often you err in that interpretation, do I wonder how right your interpretation of the Bible actually is.
All those denominations come from the One Holy CATHOLIC and Apostolic Church aka the Catholic Church the only founded by Christ.
Aka... All apostasy came from the Catholic Church.
@@jacobsamuelson3181 the Church had no apostasy for 1200 years.
@@josuegonzalez5576 But it did have an apostasy before that right?
😂so which one is that!?? 😂😂😂 that’s the first problem.
Secondly, if there even really was one original Church and we did for sure know which one that was, doesn’t make that one correct. They obviously had a lot of errors too. Because things that they teach, practiced and believed are against the gospel. 🤷🏻♂️
There was apostasy from the beginning guy. Go back and learn church history.
There is only one truth. Only one. And his name is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. If you desire in your heart to know him in the fullness of the truth DO NOT be a generalist Christian - you will be no better than agnostic. Rather, have integrity in your beliefs. Don’t be this or that because someone told you to believe it, but because Christ himself has inspired truth in you.
The first church’s to consider are the ones who claim, with integrity and substance, that they have with them the fullness of the truth n Jesus Christ; also, that those who choose not to convert are still capable of Christ’s salvation through baptismal desire in their hearts.
We see in part and prophesy in part and one claiming to have full knolage us a fool
@@gingernutpreacher we cannot be fools if you follow the Lord’s teaching on discerning between good and false teaching and prophesy. Our Lord said that true prophesy and true teaching bear good fruits and leads the faithful to him.
@@jackross5698 does the LDS church bear good fruit?
There are only two churches .. the Roman catholic church and the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.. ALL other churches are in some way or other splits and schisms of these..
Where did protestantism begin ? That's what I thought
But the reformation proves one thing in common with the Latter-day Saints, we both agree that the Roman catholic church strayed from the doctrines taught in the church Christ established..
Credal Christianity doesnt hold a candle to the true restored church of Jesus Christ.
Its no wonder everyone you know who leaves the LDS church goes straight to atheism. Its the only theology that can even compete.
You do know creadal just means a stament of faith are you saying the LDS church has no staments of faith?
I do have to admit, becoming a God and having celestial sex with thousands of women seems hard to beat. "But we know that's not true. Just taught by a bunch of perverts
please tell me what you don't agree with in the Apostles Creed...
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To preach Repentance and Remission of sins to Everyone, All nations
Luke 24:47 KJV
and that [repentance] and [remission of sins] should be [preached] in his name among [all nations,] beginning at Jerusalem.
- Sincere turn from (practice) of (sin) and (willful sin) or (All) will perish
Luke 13:3 KJV
I tell you, [Nay:] but, except [ye repent,] ye shall [all] [likewise] [perish.]
- Believe for your faith will save you, for believing leads to (pardon of sins) to not (die) in (sin)
John 8:24 KJV
I said therefore unto you, that [ye shall die] in your sins: for [if ye believe not] that I am he, ye shall [die] in your [sins.]
- Receive forgiveness of sins when we are converted, + multiple ways for remission of sins, (pardon of sins)
Acts 10:43 KJV
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his [name] [whosoever believeth] [in him] shall [receive] [remission of sins.]
- Love God and love thy neighbor as thyself, for love will (cover) all sins, (pardon of sins)
Proverbs 10:12 KJV
Hatred stirreth up strifes: but [love] [covereth] all [sins.]
Luke 7:47 KJV
Wherefore I say unto thee, [Her sins,] which [are many,] [are forgiven;] for [she loved much:] but to whom [little is forgiven,] the same [loveth little.]
- Have frevernt (love) among (the brethren) and (the people) for frevernt (love,) giving, having conpassion shall (cover) the multitude of sins, (pardon of sins)
1 Peter 4:8 KJV
And above all things have fervent [charity] [among yourselves:] for [charity] shall [cover] the [multitude of sins.]
- Preaching and (converting the sinner) from the error of his way will (hide) a multitude of sins, (pardon of sins)
James 5:20 KJV
Let him know, that he which [converteth] the sinner from the [error of his way] shall save a [soul] from [death,] and shall [hide] a [multitude of sins.]
- Confession of sin, confess your sins everyday for the forgiveness of sins, (pardon of sins)
1 John 1:9 KJV
If we [confess] our sins, he is faithful and just to [forgive] us [our sins,] and to [cleanse us] from all [unrighteousness.]
- (Water baptism) for the (remission of sins), remission/pardon/forgiveness of sins
Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be [baptized] every one of you in the [name] of [Jesus Christ] for the [remission of sins,] and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
- To give knowledge of salvation to all by the (remission) of (our) (sins), (pardon of sins)
Luke 1:77 KJV
To give [knowledge] of [salvation] unto his people [by] the [remission] of their [sins,]
- Those (predestined), will die in (0 sin,) all sins were pardoned by the (remission of sins)
Matthew 24:13 KJV
[13] But he that shall [endure] unto [the end,] the same [shall be saved.]
LDS belief is that the institution of the church holds the priesthood keys to perform baptism, Eucharist, and the sealing power given by God to Elijah.
We also believe in the idea of the Church of the Firstborn which is more in line with what you describe for Protestants, being that all who pursue a relationship with Christ (or would if they only heard the gospel) can be united with Christ and fellow believers.
Not everyone in the LDS church will choose to walk all the way with Christ, not everyone outside of the LDS Church is doomed to ignorance and punishment.
Suffice it to say that there are tens of thousands of different denominations, established by different men, at different times, in different places, according to the differing interpretations of the Bible by those who established them. No two of them are exactly alike in doctrine, interpretation, or any other way. Therefore traditional Christianity is like a marketplace of counterfeiters, all trying to approximate the Bible. They all claim validation by virtue of the Bible. But the Bible teaches one Christ and one gospel, as opposed to tens of thousands of different Christs and gospels in Bible based religion. So rather than validate them, the Bible stands as a silent witness against them. Not only has this criminal enterprise attempted to counterfeit the truth. But they have each presumed to elect themselves to Gods service. Thus dispossessing God of his free agency to call his own servants. So they bully God as it were. It is to them as if there were no real God but what they think and feel about the Bible.
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For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:23 (KJV)
Ephesians 4 also talks about Gods church having prophets and apostles. Sounds like The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints more than it does an evangelical denomination.
Very well explained.
As always, a lot of work for such poor information. I don't know of any member who actually uses this argument as a MAIN reason for not joining your faith. Yeah they probably see the division of Trinitarians online calling as many other trinitarian or non trinitarian denominations false and that's confusing. But the large majority who leave and still believe in Christ reject religion altogether and join nondenominational churches. I keep saying to this channel and they don't keep listening that they need actual members to help them correct the poor information with actual truth on what we believe and how we view other Christian sects. Even if there was only one Catholic Church denomination. We would still be LDS cause we received an answer that NONE OF THE TRINITARIAN SECTS ARE TRULY CHRISTIAN. THEY ALL REJECT THE POWER OF GOD. It doesn't make no difference whether that's 1 or 40000, they're still wrong.
I never claimed that this was a main reason people were LDS, simply something that I hear frequently that I felt was important to address.
@@GLM Thats the problem! All of your show is hearsay. I don't know WHO your talking to: EXmormons, nonMormons, inactive members, active members. No active member is convincing people to stay in the Church because the Christian denomination number is so high. We obviously feel they are much safer in our Church, but if they want to leave we want them to stick with Christ however they can. If someone chooses Atheism, that's not because of our narrative, that's because you guys frankly don't do a good job with unity and ceasing your bickering with eachother and with us. They didn't see empathy as a Mormon. They didn't see a desire for understanding. Like when show like yours only have one side of the story.
What I claimed in the video was simply what I've heard (from active, inactive, and exMormons, for what it's worth). If that's not a point you'd use in a conversation - that's fine! I was responding to a concept that I personally run across.
Also - It's a joy to delight in the unity Christians have in the Lord Jesus! Even if that's NOT something Latter-day Saints poke it - may it encourage Christians and glorify God!
@@GLM No its not fine. You spreading any a red light over my faith like you actually know it is Satanic and should stop immediately. The only integrity you can muster is to have an active LDS speak for himself. Otherwise you are conflating the issue, providing false information and minimizing our beliefs. You are no different than the Jews who stoned Stephen.
Pope didn't help mend fuse the faith nor a prophet.
Trying to picture this in my head…
This video was useful.
Stop saying that you apostates are Christian because you are NOT! Peter prophesied in Acts 3:29 that the heavens would receive Christ until "the times of the restitution of ALL things." !!! Christ came back from heaven to restore His true Christian church with the true foundation of prophets and apostles and EVERY other thing the He set up including baptism by immersion and the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost, born of the water and the Spirit and NOT stupid altar calls that were never done in Christ's true Christian church! Christ stated that if you are not one, you are not mine, no matter how many AGREE!!! The scriptures clearly state that there is ONE FAITH and ONE BAPTISM!!! So, stop the hell saying that you are Christian because you are sure as hell NOT!!! Continued..