I live in Córdoba, Argentina, and was 13 years when I met Kurt Tank. I was a military cadet in an Army Institute, where secondary grade studies were conducted (a kind of the USA ROTC program), called Liceo Militar Gral. Paz, where I had Kurt Tank's son Wolfram as a comrade in our promotion. Wolfram Tank and I developed a good friendship and we still gather with many other comrades from our 8th Promotion. Wolfram lives in Buenos Aires, he is an industrial engineer representing german steel companies in Argentina as Rehinmettal. We used to go to the airplane factory so I did meet all of the German pilots (including Adolf Galland, Hans Ulrich Rudel, Peter Behrens, and Hans Bot, the only survivor pilot of the rocket jet Heinkel 163 Komet. He was living in Carlos Paz, a nearby city until his death about 7 or 8 years ago. By the way, I am 83 years old, the same age as Wolfram Tank.
Un placer leerlo, Eduardo! Es muy comentado en Argentina lo ¨buen tipo¨ que es Wolfram, querido por todo el que lo conoce. Ojalá algún día pueda charlar con usted.
As an Argentinean guy, I like the intellectually honest way in which you tell the story. Also, you start by providing some necessary context. Your speak very clearly as well. Great work Sir!
@@agusdeluca5873 I am an Argentinian citizen too. And Aureliano Caballero is not confused. I met all those German pilots and even was a comrade in secondary school with Kurt Tank's son, Wolfram, who is still living in Buenos Aires. He stayed in Argentina and we meet regularly. Mr. Felton told the real story perfectly sell with honesty. As a sideline, in September 1955, while being a military cadet in Córdoba, I joined the rebel movement that expelled Juan Perón from power and force him to exile.
@@federicolinos8853 De no ser por el Peronismo, Argentina seria desarrollada, y ubiera arrastrado al desarrollo al resto de latinoamerica, Lo afirma un Chileno, que sabe de historia
For anyone interested, the narration in spanish during the demonstration flight of the Pulqui II more or less says: "It first makes a fly by at 1000 km/h and it's difficult for us to follow it with the camera. Afterwards in a slower fly by, the galantry of the flight of this plane can be appreciated, which is the pride of the Argentinian military aviation"
As a personal note : I was born in Argentina in 1943 when the flight of the Pulqui was published we the school children had a day off after having a big celebration. By the way, "Pulqui" means "Arrow" in the native Mapuche language.
Then the Argentine pilot goes and kills himself after pulling stunts in a plane with known faults, described as too dangerous to fly... embarrassed much
@@nahuelzapatrustegui6695 spot on brother, the guy was just all "I'm gonna embarrass my whole home nation with my stupidity, now watch thi-" that's all it was, had to balance it out, maybe even was evil western spy...
Though not in the French Foreign Legion, there is a memoir called On the Devil's Tail: In Combat with the Waffen-SS on the Eastern Front 1945, and with the French in Indochina 1951-54 that might interest you.
A lot more ex whermact soldiers also joined the legion, no-one asked questions, that was the point....if they had, no-one would have joined....the original Fight Club....and A Mouth Full of Rocks.
Reminds me of a quote from the movie "Ice Station Zebra". "The Russians put our camera made by *our* German scientists and your film made by *your* German scientists into their satellite made by *their* German scientists."
@@AirsoftReviewArgentina The Soviets didn't have any German rocket engineers though. A few low-level guys who soon were kicked out because they didn't want the former enemy to participate in their program.
Mark's pronounciation is so good that RUclips's auto generated subtitles get difficult things like names and ranks (e.g. SS-Hauptsturmführer) correct, spelling and all for the most part.
...but Danish is beyond him apparently. Those places where he spoke of Danish cities or persons, other than Hansen or the like, he butchered it unfortunately. :/ Of course it's a difficult language.
I actually met Von Braun at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville Alabama in 1970, when I was 11 years old. We were headed for the Space and Rocket Center, and Dad took a wrong turn straight up to the front gate of Redstone. He stopped to ask the security guard for directions, and Von Braun himself just happened to came out the door, and he told Dad how to get there. Dad didn't believe me until he saw his portrait at the Center bookstore, lol.
@@nonautemrexchristus5637 Getting mankind to the moon doesn't excuse his war crimes, we can say he's smart but never let up on the atrocities done by him and the rest of the SS.
I am glad to know that Dr Kurt Tank was not suspected of war crimes.After he left Argentina he moved to India and worked with the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd where he developed Asias first supersonic fighter aircraft the HAL Marut. The aircraft was not a success however as India did not have the necessary industiral base to build a jet engine. He was later the director of the Madras Institute of Technology. It was the institute where Dr Abdul Kalam the Indian missile scientist studied.
Don't know man, the whole thing is very sketchy... If Tank never committed war crimes, then what reason would he have to flee Germany? He could have testified against the Nazi administration as many did in the trials... In the end, the Marut died an ignoble death anyway. Seems to be a recurring theme where Kurt Tank went.
@@ganeshtangade1019 Nope Boy.Tejas didn't fail. It was delayed.....deliberately ...But in the end it did manage to win against your Nation;'s biggest threat to your military complex....Your political bureaucracy.
Yeah! Since it was their enemy and they themselves the sufferer he would do it. He wouldn't utter a word about British coloniasm when in which the sufferers were colonial people😌
@@Tsumebleraar Were it not for the US the Germans would have won. Its easy to hate the US until you see what life under another super power is like. Filipinos used to hate the USA, the Japanese showed them how kind we really were.
I click on Mark Felton and the music starts. Without even realising the whole family spontaniously starts humming the theme and say 'He's watching Mark Felton'.
@Vindexproeliator I mean USA, don't be obtuse. When people say "America" they usually don't refer to both continents, they refer to the specific country. You might object that that's wrong, but it is what it is.
@@Horesmi "when people". People you know, maybe. That doesn't change the fact that America is the name of a continet (the land of Americo was actually a name originally given to the southern part of the continet) not of a country. Get yourself a country name.
Mark Felton Productions... turning "history" on it's ear one video at a time. I have done a great deal of research on my grandfather's service in WW2 and it has been tedious, time consuming and frustrating far more often than rewarding. I cannot imagine the amount of time and effort you put into each one of your videos?!! Amazing information, incredible editing and presentation, priceless. Please keep up your efforts!
All i have of my great grandfathers career in the marines in ww2 is a 1911 with holster, a katana and a newspaper clipping of him being worried about his brother in europe. It has been incredibly difficult to find anything else that wasn’t kept by the family.
I wish I wasn't disabled because like I'd support you so fast if I had money. Your subjects are off the beaten path, entertaining and often give context that regular channels and books don't. Even WW2 is real-time barely mentions the French invasion of Germany in 1939, and I got more or less the whole skinny from your channel, and I thank you for that.
@@HappyFlapps that's right. Just like History Channel said that Megalodon may still exist in our unexplored ocean areas. There is even rumor that a shark over 1100 ft long swims the Atlantic waters and .... WAIT A MINUTE! HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?
Von Braun was initially sidelined somewhat in terms of funding after he completed the Redstone rocket and most US funding for missile research went to competing projects. This changed however after the Soviets launched the Sputnik and the new rockets kept experiencing problems while the old Redstone proved reliable and got the basic job done to get a payload of any size into the orbit. Redstone saved face for the American space program after the Sputnik, so Von Braun was back in the favor.
I met Wernher von Braun when I was a young teenager. He had retired from NASA and was traveling around the country, visiting schools, and giving talks trying to convince students to pursue a career in engineering. This was in the early 70's and all I knew about him was he had led the USA space program. In those days his past was kept hush-hush.
Really? The fact he led V1 program was well known. I think the problem might have been the information was not readily available for a US teenager. No Wikipedia.
Regardless von Braun, it is foolish to kill them during the cold war and after usefull. Look in the Usa the flying wing, otherwise Russia would have used him..
As argentine myself, I must say that this is an excellent and totally accurate description of our Pulquis history. Congratulations indeed. On the other hand, I may suggest to check the story of Reimar Horten, who designed flying wings in Argentina, including the first glider to cross Andes mountains("Urubú") and proppeled transport one intended to movilize fruit production ("Naranjero")
the airforce museum in Moron is a jewel telling the history of argentinas airforce and its aspiration. worth the visit you will see Bleriot, the plane St. Exupery flew in Argentina, the horten gliders etc.
I find the Republican implosion amongst its suicidal reactionary myriad factions far more fascinating and undoubtedly of a more historical issue also. Thanks for comments made 😊
@@chris99103 the sovjets werent bad at space either, the first dog, mouse, bunny, turtle, man, woman, spacewalk, salyut to name some Just facts, im not a communist
The quality of these videos is excellent, apart from sometimes a scarcity of footage meaning sometimes clips are repeated. It lacks the budget for location work and interviews of TV, of course, but they are still well-done and informative. The longer stuff that Mark Felton does seems excellently researched from what I can tell with my more limited knowledge. And his narration is also excellent. I am surprised one of the major TV documentary companies around the world hasn't offered Mr. Felton a significant sum to work for them, or perhaps they have and he's turned them down.
Yep, u r right, it's a radar housing dome :). This is a model of proposed night fighter with radar and second seat for radar operator, according to similar configuration and camo as existing planes; Me 262, Bf 110, Ju 88, He 219 Uhu, etc.
I can't think of anything to say, but I love your videos. My grandfather was a tank gunner during allied combat in north Africa and the invasion of Sicily. I would love a video about those tank assaults!
@shutup He was born in Mexico and immigrated with his family to the USA. He and a group of people were involved in a fatal bar fight and the judge offered him jail time or his service in the army. He chose the army.
You know, as an engineer, the biggest issue with a lot of applied science is practice and experience. There is only so much that can be predicted through mathematical models. The Nazi scientists weren't inherently better than the allies, but they did have experience with rocketry that would have cost millions to recreate.
That is why the US Army confiscated more than 750,000 patents and countless developments that had not yet been registered for patents against the provisions of international law; it was not only rockets, aircraft, weapons, tanks, ammunition and flying disks, but also the submarine boats were way ahead of the times. Most of them were German scientists and little or no interest in politics. In other words: Not every American has an Indian scalp on his belt.
Hans Holger How were they ahead in aircraft, submarines and tanks Hans? The British invented the jet engine. The ME262 and the Gloster Meteor entered operational service within days of each other but the Meteor was a more fly able aircraft and developed much further. The British could handle any tanks the Germans had with the 17 pounder Firefly, the Comet and towards the end of the war had developed the *Centurion.* In WW1 the Royal Navy had the R class submarines with an underwater speed of 15 knots and an array of hydrophones in the bow. Not a new idea. The Type XX1 technology wasn’t particularly advanced. It had a big battery and motors and a streamlined casing to give it high speed. Some British S class had already been streamlined to give more speed before XX1 was operational. Also the British Squid and associated depth finding sonar were far in advance of anything the Germans had. The Allies didn’t need fast submarines when the enemy had very little ASW. By the time the Germans managed to get the Type XX1 submarine to sea the a British had already fielded their own high speed submarines (such as HMS Seraph) in order to develop the sensors, weapons and tactics that would counter the Type XX1 ( like the _Squid_ ASW mortar and the Type 147 sonar) Since there was by 1944 no German (and hardly any Japanese) Navy or merchant marine fleet left to fight, fielding high-sped submarines was initially a lower priority but the Cold War ramped it up again. The threatened conflict with the USSR would have involved a large amount of submarine warfare, hence some of the more advanced Allied submarine ASW capability remained closely held for some time while the Type XX1 was known and publicised. Read Hackmann’s _”Seek and strike:_ _Sonar, anti-submarine warfare and the Royal Navy 1914-1954_ (1984 , The Stationary Office) to better educate yourself.
@@giovannipierre5309 Not necessarily in aircraft, the US were already operating the P-80 and the Brits the Meteor, but they had more experience with jets overall. The excellent Nene jet engine was developed by the Brits after the war based on German testing. The German tanks were also not that great, but the last generation of Panthers featured advanced infrared vision systems that, while ultimately not changing anything, lead to some stunning night battle results. Also the German late war AA tank designs were great. For the submarines, that's the only tech besides rockets where Germany was really far ahead of anyone else. The Type XXI and Type XXIII streamlined hulls and huge battery load combined with a snorkel resulted in a submarine that could stay submerged basically all the time and was, for the very first time, much faster submerged than surfaced. All submarines before this were rather submersibles than actual submarines. It took the US, UK and USSR years to get their variants of the captured German designs up to the same standards...save for quality of course, main reason the XXI was never able to really go into action was poor late war standards in German naval industry resulting in poor hull integrity and monthlong fixup times, delaying the XXI too long. The Type XXIII though went into action as it was smaller and easier to fix, and sunk quite a number of Allied supply ships in the English Channel and other coastal waters.
Great research Mark. I lived in Argentina from 1973 - 75. I couldn’t believe how many Germans I encountered. Went to Bariloche in southern Argentina and thought I was in Germany! Strange things in the skies in Argentina I might add...
I lived in BA in 1969... I was a high school exchange student and also saw many Germans in the higher echelons of Argentina. I remember reassuring myself that Argentina was really a Spanish speaking country.
@@charlienelson1946 I live in south brazil, my state borders argentina and uruguay. About half a million germans came here around 1860, a few years after the massive wave of german immigration went to USA...my first language was the Hunsrück dialekt from Rhineland... Not every person down here with a german surname is the grandson of a n4zi... In fact, my town is home of a veteran that fought agains the Germans in monte castello. May Mr Kuhn rest in piece.
@@AK-vs9nr In fact the bulk from german-argentines ancestors immigrated long before WWII, and even WWI in the 1800, being around 90% of them ethnically german but not from Germany but "VOLKSDEUTSCHE": Volga Germans, Banat Saxons and Danube Suabians (also called "old" austrians)
The first thing I do BEFORE actually watching a Mark Felton video is give it a recommend. I don't do this for anyone else on principle but for making this exception I have never regretted it. Nor my subscription. Truly unique. A one man historical Institution! I am always stunned at the immersive detail and incidents he digs up.
Mark Felton's videos have become a subject of discussion at my household. I sometimes find my two kids humming the intro music...when I look at them, they smile and tell me: ...Dad! It's your fault....look what you did to us 😂.
Agreed. It resembles a MiG 17 to me, because of the sharper angle of the wing sweep, also that piece in the nose, right at the front of the intake. If my memory serves me correctly on that, the MiG 15 doesn't have that "divider" in the intake port.
Mark, where on earth do you dig up these fantastic accounts? If it not for you, these wonderful and fascinating inventions would hardly see the light of day!
With Mark Felton Productions I hit the 'like' button as soon as the opening music underscore starts. Because I know whatever comes next will be excellent ! Never fails to be exactly so. Thank you.
I don't understand why you get so many dislikes on your videos, Mark. I guess people today expect "History" to be Pawn Stars and Ancient Aliens 🙄 I don't know what us REAL history buffs would do without folks like you! Thanks for yet another amazing mini-doc! By the way, I can't wait for Part 3 of the Invasion of America series!
"So many dislikes"? Excuse me? Of course some neo-nazis conspiracy theorists are mad that the human death toll of any slavery project / extermination camp is mentionned, but look again, they are a tiny deluded minority.
As a german and spanish speaker, a very special thank you for accurately pronouncing the german and spanish names. Thanks for the superb video. I´ve known some of the facts, but it brought me amazing new ones. But don´t call the Pulqui II a "nazi" fighter. Another specially delightful detail, for me, was that, before the viewer had the chance to start hating Argentina, you showed that all countries were hiring former Third Reich personnel after the war.
A mi tampoco me parece del todo adecuado llamarlo “el último avión nazi.” No puede ser nazi puesto que sus creadores no apoyan el partido nazi, porque no existe, y el avión no iba a luchar por dicho partido. Además la aeronave dice bien claro a que país pertenece en la bandera que lleva en la cola.
@@unai_asecas9070 Perón era por definición fascista. Además dijo en ocasiones que el peronismo era un movimiento "socialista, socialista nacional" en otras palabras: nacionalsocialismo (nazi)
@@ignacioburkhardt789 y donde noto que nuca leiste un puto libro en tu vida te aviso existe google, socialismo no significa nazismo, es una ideologia politica, social y economica que consiste en la igualdad de clases, y la autosugestion de empresas. y el NACIONALSOCIALISMO fue el que utilizo el nazismo, donde aplicaba sus politicas socialista pero con exepciones, de que no tengas religiones que no seas el cristianismo, no seas blanco y otros.
Peron was the worst thing that happened to Argentina and his ideologies made Argentina a poor socialist country. Otherwise, It would have been an extremely rich nation.
When the Americans pilfered Nazis for their rocket programs it’s “they conveniently ignored the fact they were Nazis.“ But when the Argentinians did it, They did it “illegally.” Bit of a double standard there.
Argentina took in known Nazis who provided no expertise. So your comparison is not accurate. While the Americans actions were unsavory, there was a rationale behind them due to the Cold War brewing with Soviet Union. Argentina took in war criminal Nazis simply as a place of refuge from justice where many of them lived out their lives in peace...
You have to differentiate between Germans / Convenient Nazis and Ideological Nazis. Von Braun and his mob were largely Germans and Convenient Nazis. Those who were party members had done so for advancement and opportunity. They were investigated for their role and (conveniently) found not responsible for the horrors of the slave camps. This is different to Ideological Nazis like Eichman who fled to Argentina to avoid an investigation they would not survive.
It's also worth pointing out that Kurt Tank was barely even a Convenient Nazi. He ended up in Argentina as the result of a Peron government contract for a home built jet fighter that French and British Companies had bid for and lost. It could just as easily been DeHaviland, Gloster or Dewonite.
DaRyteJuan - Politics has long long long been a dirty business, largely devoid of high morals or ethics. Few nations, if any, managed to avoid this minefield.
Argentina, USA, and Soviet Union: Can I copy your homework? Nazi Germany: Yeah just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied. Argentina, USA, and Soviet Union:
*Copying* those early designs was a stupid idea, because progress was moving so quickly. That's why the US and USSR didn't *copy* the designs, but -- as @Ken Kaneki mentioned -- swiped the designers.
30 some years ago I had the Good Fortune to randomly meet one of the photographers who worked with the early us rocket program for a time he was assigned as Werner von Braun's photographer or at least one of them he told me that it was told to make sure to never take a photo of von Braun pointing to the top of a rocket if one thinks about it you can see why.
10:40 it says: "the first pass at 1000km/h is very hard to capture it with the the camera, then on a slower pass, it can be seen the braveness of this plane, which is the pride of the Military aviation of Argentina" Edit: it had some mistakes at the end of the sentence
@@jbaroli I'm Argentinean and we are pretty proud, although is not very well documented and if often connected with the president at that time ("Perón") and he is pretty hated here
@@paullewis770 well he is hated, but everyone in politics, is Peronist, even the PRO members, it's like democrats and republicans, all hate them but all the politicians are like suchs
The Kurt Tank designed HF-24 Marut was to be fitted with the E-300 engine, designed by Junker's Ferdinand Brandner, who originally designed it for the Egyptian Helwan Ha-300 fighter, which was designed by Kurt Tank's longtime rival - Willi Messerschmidt. A remarkable turn of events.
My uncle worked for Convair in the 50s as a project engineer on the Atlas missile. He was good friends with Werner von Braun, they played golf together and socialized. Maybe my uncle was a closet Nazi? I wouldn't know, I only met him once when I was about 8 years old. I just remember my mother always talking about how brilliant her brother was and telling me I had to learn German in school because it was "the language of engineering".
Mark, your videos are always a great stress reliever for me. As soon as the music starts, I go back 75 years in time and it feels like World War II is happening around me. Seeing those historical war sights has been one of the biggest dreams, one day. Thanks man!
Great video, and thank you for remembering to mention the nazis' war crimes (as you often do), some folks on other channels appear to not like doing it. As the survivors die from old age, and even the "second-hand" witnesses who personally knew and talked to the people who suffered get old... It is of critical importance to keep the memory alive.
Yes, you mean those reliable witnesses "first hand" and "second hand" who insisted until their dying day that it was true they made soap, that the "Witch of Buchenwald" had made lamp shades from inmate skin (but we know now that these were goat skin, as they have been DNA tested) and that they would swear up and down they saw it all happen?
Speaking of crisis, today the price of the blue dollar (without government restrictions) rose and fell 26 times from 131 to 138 pesos, my country is a bizarre wonder
Before Peron, Argentina was between the top 5 economies. Today, probably between the top 5 Google search engine pages - Or maybe not, but that thanks to Messi & Maradona. The amounts of gold that entered the Country after WWII due to food exports were massive. Peron made short work of them. He was probably too annoyed with the fact they overflowed every National Bank's vaults, to the point where the corridors were stacked up with gold ingots. It was an absolutely different society, for sure. After Peron, your joke/meme, became true, every single day, sadly.
Wow, between this and the second part of the Rat Lines episode, I really got my wish when I asked you to talk more about the connections to Peron. I'm sure you had this planned, but thanks Mark!
The German aircraft designer Willy Messerschmitt designed a training jet for the Spanish army around 1955, called "Saeta" : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano_HA-200
Those technicians and designers went to Argentina on invitation or their own decision, most German technicians and designers were forced into working for the USSR....
During the last days of the war in late April '45, the Soviets invaded East Germany and captured the factory where Kurt Tank was developing his newest planes. The designer barely fled the place with a copy of his blueprints, while the Soviets found the originals, a treasure that enabled them to manufacture the Mig-15 ...and that's why the Mig and the Pulqui look so alike ! They both were creations of Kurt Tank.
@@gerardfrederick5504 - You mean the ones that ended up in Russia...the ones that went to Argentina had a very well paid job contract, so good that they preferred to work for Argentina leaving aside proposals from the US and the UK
The Mosquito was made of wood and was one of the fastest aircraft of WW2 but the heat of friction from the transonic shock wave would necessitate the use of metal on many surfaces .
There was such an incredible brain drain from Germany and Austria before, during and after WW2. It’s astounding that these nations recovered and prospered so quickly.
Cheap Coal, Steelworks and the early EU they tied up production and stopped the UK expanding its superior steels and/or took the UK patents as they expired. Some help from the UK in rebuilding the Car industry and Germany's Development of Chemicals and high value engineering gave it an economic advantage, and it is probably the largest nation in Europe (Spain tied up with Franco, and France too tied up with agriculture to compete)
Volker Greve The Germans (and essentially the rest of the World industrialized in the first place thanks to British capital and technology) “The difference between the less developed and the more developed nations is a function of time: the British started to save sooner than all other nations: they also started sooner to accumulate capital and to invest it in business. Because they started sooner, there was a higher standard of living in Great Britain when, in all other European countries, there was still a lower standard of living. Gradually, all the other nations began to study British conditions, and it was not difficult for them to discover the reason for Great Britain's wealth. So they began to imitate the methods of British business. Since other nations started later, and since the British did not stop investing capital, there remained a large difference between conditions in England and conditions in those other countries. But something happened which caused the headstart of Great Britain to disappear. What happened was the greatest event in the history of the nineteenth century, and this means not only in the history of an individual country. This great event was the development, in the nineteenth century, of foreign investment. In 1817, the great British economist Ricardo still took it for granted that capital could be invested only within the borders of a country. He took it for granted that capitalists would not try to invest abroad. But a few decades later, capital investment abroad began to play a most important role in world affairs. Without capital investment it would have been necessary for nations less developed than Great Britain to start with the methods and the technology with which the British had started in the beginning and middle of the eighteenth century, and slowly, step by step - always far below the technological level of the British economy - try to imitate what the British had done. It would have taken many, many decades for these countries to attain the standard of technological development which Great Britain had reached a hundred years or more before them. But the great event that helped all these countries was foreign investment. Foreign investment meant that British capitalists invested British capital in other parts of the world. They first invested it in those European countries which, from the point of view of Great Britain, were short of capital and backward in their development. It is a well-known fact that the railroads of most European countries, and also of the United States, were built with the aid of British capital. You know that the same happened in this country, in Argentina. The gas companies in all the cities of Europe were also British. In the mid 1870s, a British author and poet criticized his countrymen. He said, "The British have lost their old vigor and they have no longer any new ideas. They are no longer an important or leading nation in the world." To which Herbert Spencer, the great sociologist, answered, "Look at the European continent. All European capitals have light because a British gas company provides them with gas." This was, of course, in what seems to us the "remote" age of gas lighting. Further answering this British critic, Herbert Spencer added, "You say that the Germans are far ahead of Great Britain. But look at Germany. Even Berlin, the capital of the German Reich, the capital of Geist, would be in the dark if a British gas company had not invaded the country and lighted the streets." In the same way, British capital developed the railroads and many branches of industry in the United States. And, of course, as long as a country imports capital its balance of trade is what the noneconomists call "unfavorable." That means that it has an excess of imports over exports. The reason for the "favorable balance of trade" of Great Britain was that the British factories sent many types of equipment to the United States, and this equipment was not paid for by anything other than shares of American corporations. This period in the history of the United States lasted, by and large, until the 1890s.”
To quote the line from the otherwise terrible Ice Station Zebra movie, "So they put the film made for us by our German scientists, in the camera made for you by your German scientists in a rocket made for them by their German scientists..."
Because this just happens to be the most optimal airframe for subsonic speeds. Have you noticed how the F-15 and the Su-27 are also quite similar? Or the Space Shuttle and the Buran? Same reason. Physics knows no borders or ideologies.
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@@nematolvajkergetok5104 you do realize he wasn't really asking.
@Ionian Agreed. precisely. I have seen a TV show over 20 years ago about how Russia allegedly had detained a B-29 bomber from the USA thru some emergency landing then allegedly "reverse engineered the B-29. It is possible. Thx 4 the comment. Peace!
@Ionian I am impressed by your knowledge. I have heard of this Mig "defector who allegedly flew off from his base (or whatever) and landed on USA soil to defect and give his plane up. I had not heard that it was an interceptor, but that's the type of history I aspire to learn. Should that be the story you were referring to !?! I used to praise German military tanks to no end regarding the Axis powers and the Tiger tanks etc. Then a High School friend of mine mentioned how he liked the Russian T-34 Tank best of WW2. I thought he was nuts. I heard him out and he explained how the slanted armor was effective in deflection of shots and the 4 man crew was basic + the low cost and mass production of it made it superior. Further research told me that the T-34 was taken (1 tank) by the Germans from the Russian front allegedly, and after examination one (I forget who) engineer advised Hitler (or whoever was in charge of that department) to reverse engineer the T 34 to mass-produce and use against the enemy Russia, which was for whatever reason denied. So basically I think they as the Axis should have done so. Allegedly the Tiger Tanks cost a lot of money, resources, and time to manufacture, etc. As a child, I never understood the aspect of production costs, etc, and how that can hinder the quality of a war machine. Just FYI I am glad the Axis lost WW2, but when I look at the details I cannot help but admire the machines of war. Don't get me started on the FW 190. Kind regards to you from Washington DC! Peace.
I'd been hoping for a video on German aviation - particularly Kurt Tank's contributions to that field - for a while, but my fear was that it had already been done to death. Glad you could breathe some new life into the subject.
As an Argentinean, I'm amazed that you know these topics, I actually live a few blocks away from the factory where this jet and other aircraft (like the Horten brothers gliders) were built, also, nice pronunciation of Spanish! May I suggest to make a video about the several Horten brothers aircraft? Or the fusion scam?(when a German nuclear engineer thought he had achieved fusion here in Argentina)
Yep, considering the diverse World Allies that came to our aid, the spoils were not dealt out equally, the Marshal Plan should have diverted useful Nazi personnel going to Argentina, to those bereft Countries via a commonwealth system.
@@sebastianelytron8450 Mao Zedong was the biggest mass murderer in history. The number of people he killed even made Stalin jealous (Stalin was the 2nd biggest mass murder) & made Hitler look like an armature. (Hitler was the 4th biggest mass murderer, right behind King Leopold of Belgium)
well... they used the german technology to improve their own jet producing factories... but the germans had it BEFORE the russians, the russians got the NENE from UK and then they did their better jets, better engines :)
At first i didin't see it; but when he turned his head, his physique, his posture... i immediately knew it. This is defenitely the guy who deliver's my mail every morning.
I live in Córdoba, Argentina, and was 13 years when I met Kurt Tank. I was a military cadet in an Army Institute, where secondary grade studies were conducted (a kind of the USA ROTC program), called Liceo Militar Gral. Paz, where I had Kurt Tank's son Wolfram as a comrade in our promotion. Wolfram Tank and I developed a good friendship and we still gather with many other comrades from our 8th Promotion. Wolfram lives in Buenos Aires, he is an industrial engineer representing german steel companies in Argentina as Rehinmettal. We used to go to the airplane factory so I did meet all of the German pilots (including Adolf Galland, Hans Ulrich Rudel, Peter Behrens, and Hans Bot, the only survivor pilot of the rocket jet Heinkel 163 Komet. He was living in Carlos Paz, a nearby city until his death about 7 or 8 years ago. By the way, I am 83 years old, the same age as Wolfram Tank.
That's amazing that you met Mr Galland.
Increible historia muchacho jaja. Si tiene alguna anecodta mas con mucho gusto se la leo, sepa que aca se disfrutan este tipo de cosas
Un placer leerlo, Eduardo!
Es muy comentado en Argentina lo ¨buen tipo¨ que es Wolfram, querido por todo el que lo conoce.
Ojalá algún día pueda charlar con usted.
Woah huge insight thank you
Did Hitler live in Argentina after the war?
As an Argentinean guy, I like the intellectually honest way in which you tell the story. Also, you start by providing some necessary context. Your speak very clearly as well. Great work Sir!
You are by far confused
@@agusdeluca5873 I am an Argentinian citizen too. And Aureliano Caballero is not confused. I met all those German pilots and even was a comrade in secondary school with Kurt Tank's son, Wolfram, who is still living in Buenos Aires. He stayed in Argentina and we meet regularly. Mr. Felton told the real story perfectly sell with honesty. As a sideline, in September 1955, while being a military cadet in Córdoba, I joined the rebel movement that expelled Juan Perón from power and force him to exile.
@@Achuara un movimiento de mierda, lo peor que le pasó al país
@@agusdeluca5873 El peronismo? Si, definitivamente fue un movimiento de mierda y lo peor que le paso al país. Todavía lo estamos sufriendo.
@@federicolinos8853 De no ser por el Peronismo, Argentina seria desarrollada, y ubiera arrastrado al desarrollo al resto de latinoamerica, Lo afirma un Chileno, que sabe de historia
For anyone interested, the narration in spanish during the demonstration flight of the Pulqui II more or less says:
"It first makes a fly by at 1000 km/h and it's difficult for us to follow it with the camera. Afterwards in a slower fly by, the galantry of the flight of this plane can be appreciated, which is the pride of the Argentinian military aviation"
That's only 620 MPH
@@thewizardofaz “only”
buena traducción. Congrats!!!
The funny thing was the bass boosted music lmao
Thank you.
How could Mark Felton get so much footage never seen before in the public is amazing, incredible and must be hard work.
I have yet to see a video, and think; "-Oh, I knew all this already."
Archival research. It's amazing what's available in the public domain. I've held letters from the Civil War.
Soy argentino y todas esas imágenes ya las había visto, incluso en RUclips.
As a personal note :
I was born in Argentina in 1943 when the flight of the Pulqui was published we the school children had a day off after having a big celebration. By the way, "Pulqui" means "Arrow" in the native Mapuche language.
Imagine living in a war winning Germany and have a day off for every new invention. ^^
Then the Argentine pilot goes and kills himself after pulling stunts in a plane with known faults, described as too dangerous to fly... embarrassed much
@@gram. Too much nonsense about the talented Argentine pilots.
@@nahuelzapatrustegui6695 spot on brother, the guy was just all "I'm gonna embarrass my whole home nation with my stupidity, now watch thi-"
that's all it was, had to balance it out, maybe even was evil western spy...
@@gram. you sure know how to make a ridicule out of yourself, way to go!
Would love to see a video about former Waffen-SS serving in the French Foreign Legion in Indochina.
That's an interesting topic. I know that some even served with the French in Algeria... Alongside troops from France's African colonies..
ahouam ahouam how bout Vichy French in Eastern Europe
Though not in the French Foreign Legion, there is a memoir called On the Devil's Tail: In Combat with the Waffen-SS on the Eastern Front 1945, and with the French in Indochina 1951-54 that might interest you.
@@harshbansal7982 that's also a good one.... I am reading Léon Derelle's book.. Very interesting
A lot more ex whermact soldiers also joined the legion, no-one asked questions, that was the point....if they had, no-one would have joined....the original Fight Club....and A Mouth Full of Rocks.
The Space Race was "our Germans" vs "thier Germans."
their
@@brianwahlstrom he is still right, though...
Reminds me of a quote from the movie "Ice Station Zebra". "The Russians put our camera made by *our* German scientists and your film made by *your* German scientists into their satellite made by *their* German scientists."
@@AirsoftReviewArgentina No, since it's "their" instead of "their", he's totally wrong.
/s
Seriously, why do people make comments like this
@@AirsoftReviewArgentina The Soviets didn't have any German rocket engineers though. A few low-level guys who soon were kicked out because they didn't want the former enemy to participate in their program.
Mark's pronounciation is so good that RUclips's auto generated subtitles get difficult things like names and ranks (e.g. SS-Hauptsturmführer) correct, spelling and all for the most part.
Im Chilean, speak Spanish (Castilian) and understand every single word of Mr Felton
That is what happen when you do not hire a moviestar celebrity and use a annoying musical backdrop.
@@michaelpettersson4919 Yes..Tom Cruise's WWII movie sucked
Funny, the subtitles flag Focke-Wulf as profanity and blank it out
...but Danish is beyond him apparently. Those places where he spoke of Danish cities or persons, other than Hansen or the like, he butchered it unfortunately. :/
Of course it's a difficult language.
One think he knows everything... one of Mark Felton's videos fixes that. Have a great day.
Yeah, sometimes I just pick a video on my way to work and just let it play in the background.
I actually met Von Braun at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville Alabama in 1970, when I was 11 years old. We were headed for the Space and Rocket Center, and Dad took a wrong turn straight up to the front gate of Redstone. He stopped to ask the security guard for directions, and Von Braun himself just happened to came out the door, and he told Dad how to get there. Dad didn't believe me until he saw his portrait at the Center bookstore, lol.
What an honour eh
That's pretty awkward thinking about it but he was a brainy bastard so he gets a pass for getting us all to the moon
He came to Brigham Young University in 1970 or 1971. I got to listen to him in person.
@@nonautemrexchristus5637 Getting mankind to the moon doesn't excuse his war crimes, we can say he's smart but never let up on the atrocities done by him and the rest of the SS.
aSoviet sailor agreed!
aSoviet sailor You cannot resist being used when your knowledge is valuable.
I am glad to know that Dr Kurt Tank was not suspected of war crimes.After he left Argentina he moved to India and worked with the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd where he developed Asias first supersonic fighter aircraft the HAL Marut. The aircraft was not a success however as India did not have the necessary industiral base to build a jet engine. He was later the director of the Madras
Institute of Technology. It was the institute where Dr Abdul Kalam the Indian missile scientist studied.
Yeah. Hal marut was failed due to internal politics also. Same happened to tejas. Hope AMCA won't disappoint us. 🙏🇮🇳
Don't know man, the whole thing is very sketchy... If Tank never committed war crimes, then what reason would he have to flee Germany? He could have testified against the Nazi administration as many did in the trials...
In the end, the Marut died an ignoble death anyway. Seems to be a recurring theme where Kurt Tank went.
@@xmlthegreat He probably didn't want to get paperclipped by the Russians. Wouldn't have been happy times.
@@americantacos7618 hehehe
@@ganeshtangade1019 Nope Boy.Tejas didn't fail. It was delayed.....deliberately ...But in the end it did manage to win against your Nation;'s biggest threat to your military complex....Your political bureaucracy.
I'll say It again: I love the fact that Mark does not shy away from mentioning in detail Nazi crimes and atrocities. Bravo!!!
And to name the evil U.S. explicitly
@@Tsumebleraar the only "evil u.s" lies in your imagination
Yeah! Since it was their enemy and they themselves the sufferer he would do it. He wouldn't utter a word about British coloniasm when in which the sufferers were colonial people😌
@@Tsumebleraar Were it not for the US the Germans would have won. Its easy to hate the US until you see what life under another super power is like. Filipinos used to hate the USA, the Japanese showed them how kind we really were.
@@MA_KA_PA_TIE There's plenty of people aware of what life under the dictatorships installed by the bloody yanks are like.
I click on Mark Felton and the music starts. Without even realising the whole family spontaniously starts humming the theme and say 'He's watching Mark Felton'.
lol
Yeah, here too.
I do the same thing when I see his books in the shops!
Great intro!
My wife hears the music and says “studying for your WWII exam again?”
"Who designed this aircraft?"
"Tank."
"No, it's definitely an aircraft."
lmao
Yesterday I never heard of Tank and now this is the second video that gives him prominent mention that I've seen.
Surely you can't be serious??
Migoyan.
@@markh.6687 We're serious. And stop calling us Shirley.
D Felton is single handedly carrying me through quarantine
My blonde girlfriend and a fridge full of cold beer is carrying me.
Yeah
@@sebastianelytron8450 I'm using D instead of Dr.
@@sebastianelytron8450 it's his brother Darren, he sometimes hijacks Mark's channel. he sounds exactly like him don't you think?
The BEST videos to watch before heading into dreamland. Thank you Mr. Felton!
America: I can't believe Argentina would house war criminals!
Also America: *rockets go brrrr*
Were they really War Criminals ?
@@mjr6133 yes.
Sure, some German scientists weren't criminals, but the meme wasn't about those.
@Vindexproeliator I mean USA, don't be obtuse. When people say "America" they usually don't refer to both continents, they refer to the specific country. You might object that that's wrong, but it is what it is.
Haha one small step for a man one giant leap for man kind
@@Horesmi "when people". People you know, maybe. That doesn't change the fact that America is the name of a continet (the land of Americo was actually a name originally given to the southern part of the continet) not of a country. Get yourself a country name.
Mark Felton Productions... turning "history" on it's ear one video at a time. I have done a great deal of research on my grandfather's service in WW2 and it has been tedious, time consuming and frustrating far more often than rewarding. I cannot imagine the amount of time and effort you put into each one of your videos?!! Amazing information, incredible editing and presentation, priceless. Please keep up your efforts!
All i have of my great grandfathers career in the marines in ww2 is a 1911 with holster, a katana and a newspaper clipping of him being worried about his brother in europe.
It has been incredibly difficult to find anything else that wasn’t kept by the family.
"Wernher von Braun with his original employers".... great caption.
LOL I liked that one, too
OG crew
I was just going to say that...LOL
How about his “new friend”? That friend being JFK
A lot of those planes carry the RUclips minimize full screen icon
Lol
Your a fucking legend
Indeed!
Thats why the engineers have the "Settings" icon on their sleeves
Now I can't unsee it! LOL 😂 🤣 😅
I wish I wasn't disabled because like I'd support you so fast if I had money. Your subjects are off the beaten path, entertaining and often give context that regular channels and books don't. Even WW2 is real-time barely mentions the French invasion of Germany in 1939, and I got more or less the whole skinny from your channel, and I thank you for that.
hugs. I will support in your behalf
Just some info to add: Pulqui means "arrow" in an indigenous language.
Poky... 😉
Arrow in mapuche
@@jorgemagan3409 right.
I remember "huarqui" meaning cat in mapudungun so...Sounds similar
Other Argentinian air plane was "pucara", think mean kind of settlement or indian fortress
@@manjelos yes, remember charles prince runaway from MALVINAS battle for coward , sea king pilot
Mark Felton: - History is more compelling than fiction
History Channel - "Aliens"
Imagine April Fools where he did a video on how Aliens created something
Ancient Alien Astronauts says "Yes"!
The History channel is just that, history.
@@cipher88101 Um, no. History Channel used to be about history, now it's all about Ancient Aliens and Bigfoot.
@@HappyFlapps that's right. Just like History Channel said that Megalodon may still exist in our unexplored ocean areas. There is even rumor that a shark over 1100 ft long swims the Atlantic waters and .... WAIT A MINUTE! HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?
Last time I was this early the Luftwaffe had air superiority
Last time I was on time they made me employee of the week.
Last time I was this late the allies had not landed in Calais but Normandy
The last time I clicked so fast was on age verification for a pornography site.
Last time I was this late the Lusitania was still sailing
The last time I was this late, the Persians had just met the Spartans at Thermopylae.
Von Braun was initially sidelined somewhat in terms of funding after he completed the Redstone rocket and most US funding for missile research went to competing projects. This changed however after the Soviets launched the Sputnik and the new rockets kept experiencing problems while the old Redstone proved reliable and got the basic job done to get a payload of any size into the orbit. Redstone saved face for the American space program after the Sputnik, so Von Braun was back in the favor.
😊he was a nazi
I met Wernher von Braun when I was a young teenager. He had retired from NASA and was traveling around the country, visiting schools, and giving talks trying to convince students to pursue a career in engineering. This was in the early 70's and all I knew about him was he had led the USA space program. In those days his past was kept hush-hush.
Really? The fact he led V1 program was well known. I think the problem might have been the information was not readily available for a US teenager. No Wikipedia.
Hush hush. I got think so. There was even a movie starring Kurt Jurgens.
What was he like when you met him?
Regardless von Braun, it is foolish to kill them during the cold war and after usefull.
Look in the Usa the flying wing, otherwise Russia would have used him..
Not hush hush just American history only about themselves 😂... you probably think the P51 Mustang and Sherman are American😁
Its a missed opportunity that Kurt Tank didnt design Tanks
That was Franz Plane"s job :)
Not really. The armoured vehicle (aka tank) in German is "Panzer".
@ImNotMad ButUR brilliant
@@dontgetmadgetwise4271 And "Tank" means gas tank in German
Or he could have become a philanthropist and named his company "Thank Tank"
As argentine myself, I must say that this is an excellent and totally accurate description of our Pulquis history. Congratulations indeed. On the other hand, I may suggest to check the story of Reimar Horten, who designed flying wings in Argentina, including the first glider to cross Andes mountains("Urubú") and proppeled transport one intended to movilize fruit production ("Naranjero")
eeee vieja aguante boca wacho
@@santinomartinez5250 Que decís gil aguante chaca paciom campeón del '86
Oh heck dude, the Horten brothers managed to escape to Argentina? That's scary, yet kind of cool. I'm also terrified of what could have happened...
No sabía que Horten había venido a Argentina!
the airforce museum in Moron is a jewel telling the history of argentinas airforce and its aspiration. worth the visit
you will see Bleriot, the plane St. Exupery flew in Argentina, the horten gliders etc.
Mr Felton, your RUclips series are brilliant. The boarding house i live has free Wi-Fi, so your channel is on high rotation. Thank you very much.
Operation Paperclip. Everyone had their own version.
Outstanding quality of production as always, Mark.
"Wernher von Braun with his original employers" :D :D
"Wehrner von Braun & a new friend"
@@Userberg8675 "Friendship ended with third reich, now USA is my best friend"
"Vunce zie rawckets are up, who cares vere zey come down? Zat's not my department, says Werhner Von Braun" Tom Lehrer 1959.
I wonder how the arm was injured?
"Once ze rocket goes up, who cares where it comes down. Thats not my department, says Wernher von Braun.
"don't shot I'm with the science team"
actually works
Lmao
It didn't in the expanse (spoilers)
except when it did
(/spoilers)
LMAO
It didn't work in Half-life/Black Mesa. It had the exact opposite.
Lol
every time I watch one of your videos no matter what my day was like it always end up better! keep em coming and THANKS!.
Can you make your next video about the Germans involvement in the Spanish civil war?
YES
Yes!
I find the Republican implosion amongst its suicidal reactionary myriad factions far more fascinating and undoubtedly of a more historical issue also. Thanks for comments made 😊
Also a video about the Division Azul, Spanish SS soldiers in Berlin 1945 and the last war of the bf109, Ifni war
Make it about me-109
"Wernher von Braun and a new friend" is one of the most understated yet profound descriptions of that photo.
Never liked that Smug Smile after the 1st US Army meeting, turns my stomach.....
Next video: Nazi Germany's Last Rocket - Saturn V
errr...NO...Germany´s last rocket & greatest achievement - Apollo 11
how about the german scientist that went to moskow
@@daanvos194 Soviets only got the second best scientists, thats why it took them longer to get the jets & rockets and other stuff
@@chris99103 the sovjets werent bad at space either, the first dog, mouse, bunny, turtle, man, woman, spacewalk, salyut to name some
Just facts, im not a communist
todo lo que tenemos hoy es gracias a los alemanes. GRACIAS ETERNOS
The narration is surprising CLEAR and at the listenable speed. Fantastic !!!!!!!!!!!!
Just when you think this guy's vids can't get any better.....this happens.....
For real tho haha
I don't know how he even thinks about them!
Horrors of the war aside....the German Aviation engineers & designers were ahead of their time.
That's true us and USSR stole everything
As Von Braun said we had some help! Go figure!
Lol, no.
@Bobby Banana Yes, but you are ruled by the upper class aristocracy who said it was too expensive to waste their money on the invention !!! Hahaha!
@Bobby Banana Both incorrect.
Tank also was a "consultant" on the Tornado programme! As far as I know this was the last thing he was ever involved in.
The quality of these videos is excellent, apart from sometimes a scarcity of footage meaning sometimes clips are repeated. It lacks the budget for location work and interviews of TV, of course, but they are still well-done and informative. The longer stuff that Mark Felton does seems excellently researched from what I can tell with my more limited knowledge. And his narration is also excellent. I am surprised one of the major TV documentary companies around the world hasn't offered Mr. Felton a significant sum to work for them, or perhaps they have and he's turned them down.
Did anyone else go cross-eyed for a moment at 6:38 looking at the nose of that aircraft??
Yep, u r right, it's a radar housing dome :). This is a model of proposed night fighter with radar and second seat for radar operator, according to similar configuration and camo as existing planes; Me 262, Bf 110, Ju 88, He 219 Uhu, etc.
I couldn't figure out what was making my eyes cross-eyed all of the sudden lol
Not till you gave the time stamp. Now i've got one eye looking up and one eye looking down: Oo Damn you Hank! ;-)
Thought I was the only one
Yeah I pulled my head back it was weird
I can't think of anything to say, but I love your videos. My grandfather was a tank gunner during allied combat in north Africa and the invasion of Sicily. I would love a video about those tank assaults!
@shutup He was allied. Of Spanish and Jewish descent, born in Mexico. Not exactly Axis material.
shutup
Del Toro Loco. Falange espanola of course
@shutup He was born in Mexico and immigrated with his family to the USA. He and a group of people were involved in a fatal bar fight and the judge offered him jail time or his service in the army. He chose the army.
So he was a U.S. citizen by the time he entered the war
You know, as an engineer, the biggest issue with a lot of applied science is practice and experience. There is only so much that can be predicted through mathematical models. The Nazi scientists weren't inherently better than the allies, but they did have experience with rocketry that would have cost millions to recreate.
Yes when captured they claimed they learned everything from Dr. Robert Goddard!
Same reason stalin spent so much on espionage during the Manhattan project and beyond yet ended up saving millions in research time and resources.
That is why the US Army confiscated more than 750,000 patents and countless developments that had not yet been registered for patents against the provisions of international law; it was not only rockets, aircraft, weapons, tanks, ammunition and flying disks, but also the submarine boats were way ahead of the times. Most of them were German scientists and little or no interest in politics. In other words: Not every American has an Indian scalp on his belt.
Hans Holger
How were they ahead in aircraft, submarines and tanks Hans?
The British invented the jet engine. The ME262 and the Gloster Meteor entered operational service within days of each other but the Meteor was a more fly able aircraft and developed much further. The British could handle any tanks the Germans had with the 17 pounder Firefly, the Comet and towards the end of the war had developed the *Centurion.*
In WW1 the Royal Navy had the R class submarines with an underwater speed of 15 knots and an array of hydrophones in the bow. Not a new idea.
The Type XX1 technology wasn’t particularly advanced. It had a big battery and motors and a streamlined casing to give it high speed. Some British S class had already been streamlined to give more speed before XX1 was operational. Also the British Squid and associated depth finding sonar were far in advance of anything the Germans had. The Allies didn’t need fast submarines when the enemy had very little ASW.
By the time the Germans managed to get the Type XX1 submarine to sea the a British had already fielded their own high speed submarines (such as HMS Seraph) in order to develop the sensors, weapons and tactics that would counter the Type XX1 ( like the _Squid_ ASW mortar and the Type 147 sonar) Since there was by 1944 no German (and hardly any Japanese) Navy or merchant marine fleet left to fight, fielding high-sped submarines was initially a lower priority but the Cold War ramped it up again. The threatened conflict with the USSR would have involved a large amount of submarine warfare, hence some of the more advanced Allied submarine ASW capability remained closely held for some time while the Type XX1 was known and publicised.
Read Hackmann’s _”Seek and strike:_ _Sonar, anti-submarine warfare and the Royal Navy 1914-1954_ (1984 , The Stationary Office) to better educate yourself.
@@giovannipierre5309 Not necessarily in aircraft, the US were already operating the P-80 and the Brits the Meteor, but they had more experience with jets overall. The excellent Nene jet engine was developed by the Brits after the war based on German testing.
The German tanks were also not that great, but the last generation of Panthers featured advanced infrared vision systems that, while ultimately not changing anything, lead to some stunning night battle results. Also the German late war AA tank designs were great.
For the submarines, that's the only tech besides rockets where Germany was really far ahead of anyone else. The Type XXI and Type XXIII streamlined hulls and huge battery load combined with a snorkel resulted in a submarine that could stay submerged basically all the time and was, for the very first time, much faster submerged than surfaced. All submarines before this were rather submersibles than actual submarines. It took the US, UK and USSR years to get their variants of the captured German designs up to the same standards...save for quality of course, main reason the XXI was never able to really go into action was poor late war standards in German naval industry resulting in poor hull integrity and monthlong fixup times, delaying the XXI too long.
The Type XXIII though went into action as it was smaller and easier to fix, and sunk quite a number of Allied supply ships in the English Channel and other coastal waters.
Great research Mark. I lived in Argentina from 1973 - 75. I couldn’t believe how many Germans I encountered. Went to Bariloche in southern Argentina and thought I was in Germany! Strange things in the skies in Argentina I might add...
I lived in BA in 1969... I was a high school exchange student and also saw many Germans in the higher echelons of Argentina. I remember reassuring myself that Argentina was really a Spanish speaking country.
@@charlienelson1946 I live in south brazil, my state borders argentina and uruguay. About half a million germans came here around 1860, a few years after the massive wave of german immigration went to USA...my first language was the Hunsrück dialekt from Rhineland...
Not every person down here with a german surname is the grandson of a n4zi...
In fact, my town is home of a veteran that fought agains the Germans in monte castello. May Mr Kuhn rest in piece.
@@AK-vs9nr In fact the bulk from german-argentines ancestors immigrated long before WWII, and even WWI in the 1800, being around 90% of them ethnically german but not from Germany but "VOLKSDEUTSCHE": Volga Germans, Banat Saxons and Danube Suabians (also called "old" austrians)
Didnt Hitler die there in Bariloche in 53.....
@@AK-vs9nr Dont forget the Confederates that moved to Brazil after the US Civil War.
The first thing I do BEFORE actually watching a Mark Felton video is give it a recommend. I don't do this for anyone else on principle but for making this exception I have never regretted it. Nor my subscription. Truly unique. A one man historical Institution! I am always stunned at the immersive detail and incidents he digs up.
Mark Felton's videos have become a subject of discussion at my household. I sometimes find my two kids humming the intro music...when I look at them, they smile and tell me: ...Dad! It's your fault....look what you did to us 😂.
Looks like a Mig
Looks like a Tank
j29 lol
This came before the mig 15 the first jet mig was the 9 and had straight wings and looks more the swedish tunnan
Agreed. It resembles a MiG 17 to me, because of the sharper angle of the wing sweep, also that piece in the nose, right at the front of the intake. If my memory serves me correctly on that, the MiG 15 doesn't have that "divider" in the intake port.
You guys, what you think who bring the jet-design to the russians? Operation Paperclip also happend behind the Iron curtain
Mark, where on earth do you dig up these fantastic accounts? If it not for you, these wonderful and fascinating inventions would hardly see the light of day!
With Mark Felton Productions I hit the 'like' button as soon as the opening music underscore starts. Because I know whatever comes next will be excellent ! Never fails to be exactly so. Thank you.
I don't understand why you get so many dislikes on your videos, Mark. I guess people today expect "History" to be Pawn Stars and Ancient Aliens 🙄
I don't know what us REAL history buffs would do without folks like you! Thanks for yet another amazing mini-doc!
By the way, I can't wait for Part 3 of the Invasion of America series!
"So many dislikes"? Excuse me? Of course some neo-nazis conspiracy theorists are mad that the human death toll of any slavery project / extermination camp is mentionned, but look again, they are a tiny deluded minority.
Pay attention and you will understand
@@sharefactor stfu America and Russian kill count is more than Germany ever did till this day with its non stop wars.
The dislikes are from Aussies.
Well he wont have to worry anymore because RUclips removed dislikes
As a german and spanish speaker, a very special thank you for accurately pronouncing the german and spanish names.
Thanks for the superb video. I´ve known some of the facts, but it brought me amazing new ones. But don´t call the Pulqui II a "nazi" fighter.
Another specially delightful detail, for me, was that, before the viewer had the chance to start hating Argentina, you showed that all countries were hiring former Third Reich personnel after the war.
A mi tampoco me parece del todo adecuado llamarlo “el último avión nazi.”
No puede ser nazi puesto que sus creadores no apoyan el partido nazi, porque no existe, y el avión no iba a luchar por dicho partido.
Además la aeronave dice bien claro a que país pertenece en la bandera que lleva en la cola.
@@unai_asecas9070 Perón era por definición fascista. Además dijo en ocasiones que el peronismo era un movimiento "socialista, socialista nacional" en otras palabras: nacionalsocialismo (nazi)
@@ignacioburkhardt789 y donde noto que nuca leiste un puto libro en tu vida te aviso existe google, socialismo no significa nazismo, es una ideologia politica, social y economica que consiste en la igualdad de clases, y la autosugestion de empresas. y el NACIONALSOCIALISMO fue el que utilizo el nazismo, donde aplicaba sus politicas socialista pero con exepciones, de que no tengas religiones que no seas el cristianismo, no seas blanco y otros.
@@ignacioburkhardt789 Ultra boludeces de gorilas los verdaderos filo nazis .
Peron was the worst thing that happened to Argentina and his ideologies made Argentina a poor socialist country. Otherwise, It would have been an extremely rich nation.
The HF-24 that was built in india was designed by Tank's team in Argentina. It was to have been the Pulqui 3.
When the Americans pilfered Nazis for their rocket programs it’s “they conveniently ignored the fact they were Nazis.“ But when the Argentinians did it, They did it “illegally.” Bit of a double standard there.
Argentina took in known Nazis who provided no expertise. So your comparison is not accurate. While the Americans actions were unsavory, there was a rationale behind them due to the Cold War brewing with Soviet Union. Argentina took in war criminal Nazis simply as a place of refuge from justice where many of them lived out their lives in peace...
@@jackg9006 Spot on.
You have to differentiate between Germans / Convenient Nazis and Ideological Nazis.
Von Braun and his mob were largely Germans and Convenient Nazis. Those who were party members had done so for advancement and opportunity. They were investigated for their role and (conveniently) found not responsible for the horrors of the slave camps.
This is different to Ideological Nazis like Eichman who fled to Argentina to avoid an investigation they would not survive.
It's also worth pointing out that Kurt Tank was barely even a Convenient Nazi. He ended up in Argentina as the result of a Peron government contract for a home built jet fighter that French and British Companies had bid for and lost. It could just as easily been DeHaviland, Gloster or Dewonite.
DaRyteJuan - Politics has long long long been a dirty business, largely devoid of high morals or ethics. Few nations, if any, managed to avoid this minefield.
The Pulqui! Mark's such a bloody star, this is exactly what I was hoping for.
Argentina, USA, and Soviet Union: Can I copy your homework?
Nazi Germany: Yeah just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied.
Argentina, USA, and Soviet Union:
Technically didn't copy them, they literally stole the designers
*Copying* those early designs was a stupid idea, because progress was moving so quickly. That's why the US and USSR didn't *copy* the designs, but -- as @Ken Kaneki mentioned -- swiped the designers.
@@28291973 I know LOL
Operation Lusty and Operation Paperclip.
Most early jets where powered by the same engine. Of course they will look similar.
I love your work man. Your knowledge of past time wars and the way you describe them is superb. Bravo!
I must say the Pulqui never entered production and of course didnt saw combat
30 some years ago I had the Good Fortune to randomly meet one of the photographers who worked with the early us rocket program for a time he was assigned as Werner von Braun's photographer or at least one of them he told me that it was told to make sure to never take a photo of von Braun pointing to the top of a rocket if one thinks about it you can see why.
TREY RIVER But why?
@@georgivanev7466 it would look similar to the nazi hail
@@georgivanev7466 Dear boy, that's an unbelievable question, indeed !
Werner saluted so much during the NAZI years that he had to have his arm put in plaster. That photo of him is reversed.
stumbled onto the channel, love the 'matter of fact' presentation style
10:40 it says: "the first pass at 1000km/h is very hard to capture it with the the camera, then on a slower pass, it can be seen the braveness of this plane, which is the pride of the Military aviation of Argentina"
Edit: it had some mistakes at the end of the sentence
*succeeds to cut 10 sec out of the clip*
Imagine being the first latín american country to develop such an aircraft
@@jbaroli I'm Argentinean and we are pretty proud, although is not very well documented and if often connected with the president at that time ("Perón") and he is pretty hated here
@@paullewis770 well he is hated, but everyone in politics, is Peronist, even the PRO members, it's like democrats and republicans, all hate them but all the politicians are like suchs
@@tamilly7941 yeah is a wierd mix between supporters and haters
The Kurt Tank designed HF-24 Marut was to be fitted with the E-300 engine, designed by Junker's Ferdinand Brandner, who originally designed it for the Egyptian Helwan Ha-300 fighter, which was designed by Kurt Tank's longtime rival - Willi Messerschmidt.
A remarkable turn of events.
Mark Felton rocks! The best channel on RUclips History channel wishes it could be like this
"Wenher von Braun with his original employers" 😂
Hah, I hadn't seen that!
Don’t think it was meant that way, he did go into great detail about Van Brauns crimes. Just a bit of unintentionally amusing verbiage
"Once ze rockets are up,
Who cares vere zey come down?
Zat's not my depahtment,
Said Wernher von Braun"
"Wernher von Braun & a new friend"
My uncle worked for Convair in the 50s as a project engineer on the Atlas missile. He was good friends with Werner von Braun, they played golf together and socialized. Maybe my uncle was a closet Nazi? I wouldn't know, I only met him once when I was about 8 years old. I just remember my mother always talking about how brilliant her brother was and telling me I had to learn German in school because it was "the language of engineering".
Mark, your videos are always a great stress reliever for me. As soon as the music starts, I go back 75 years in time and it feels like World War II is happening around me. Seeing those historical war sights has been one of the biggest dreams, one day. Thanks man!
Great video, and thank you for remembering to mention the nazis' war crimes (as you often do), some folks on other channels appear to not like doing it. As the survivors die from old age, and even the "second-hand" witnesses who personally knew and talked to the people who suffered get old... It is of critical importance to keep the memory alive.
For anyone of the allies to call Germans "war criminals" is beyond hypocrisy,
Yes, you mean those reliable witnesses "first hand" and "second hand" who insisted until their dying day that it was true they made soap, that the "Witch of Buchenwald" had made lamp shades from inmate skin (but we know now that these were goat skin, as they have been DNA tested) and that they would swear up and down they saw it all happen?
Damn, you're one heck of a narrator. I'm surprised each time i come back to your videos!
Who would have thought, a financial crisis in Argentina!
Speaking of crisis, today the price of the blue dollar (without government restrictions) rose and fell 26 times from 131 to 138 pesos, my country is a bizarre wonder
During WW2 Argentina made a shitload of money exporting beef to all belligerents.
El Armiño At least you have amazing sausages!
@@bugsygoo overall everything made from meat. But most people cannot afford It. What an irony, right?
Before Peron, Argentina was between the top 5 economies. Today, probably between the top 5 Google search engine pages - Or maybe not, but that thanks to Messi & Maradona.
The amounts of gold that entered the Country after WWII due to food exports were massive. Peron made short work of them. He was probably too annoyed with the fact they overflowed every National Bank's vaults, to the point where the corridors were stacked up with gold ingots. It was an absolutely different society, for sure. After Peron, your joke/meme, became true, every single day, sadly.
How'd that happen?
Accidentally found a Mark Felton upload - fantastic.
ELES ESTÃO DE VOLTA PARA CASA E SÃO NACIONALISTAS
Very informative. As a kid our family lived next door to one of the German rocket scientists while living in Cocoa Beach Florida in 1970's.
Wow, between this and the second part of the Rat Lines episode, I really got my wish when I asked you to talk more about the connections to Peron. I'm sure you had this planned, but thanks Mark!
The Rat Lines series is so good!
The German aircraft designer Willy Messerschmitt designed a training jet for the Spanish army around 1955, called "Saeta" : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano_HA-200
A twin-seat jet advanced trainer. Doesn't look like a fighter to me. Just saying.
@@mongoslade5248 ehm yes.. he said trainer, so it's ok that it is'nt a fighter.
Looks like a design similar to early Mig.
Guess some designers went to USSR as well as Argentina.
Those technicians and designers went to Argentina on invitation or their own decision, most German technicians and designers were forced into working for the USSR....
They didn´t ¨go¨. They were kidnapped and transported under armed guards, never to see their families or country again.
I suspect those captured by the Soviet Union wished they had rather gone to the US or Argentina.
During the last days of the war in late April '45, the Soviets invaded East Germany and captured the factory where Kurt Tank was developing his newest planes. The designer barely fled the place with a copy of his blueprints, while the Soviets found the originals, a treasure that enabled them to manufacture the Mig-15 ...and that's why the Mig and the Pulqui look so alike ! They both were creations of Kurt Tank.
@@gerardfrederick5504 - You mean the ones that ended up in Russia...the ones that went to Argentina had a very well paid job contract, so good that they preferred to work for Argentina leaving aside proposals from the US and the UK
Mark Felton -always a pleasure !
6:50 Wooden support structure on a trans-sonic jet?!
"Last-ditch" indeed.
Talented craftsmen in those days.
Towards the end of the war most of the German aircraft used wooden propellers.
The Mosquito was made of wood and was one of the fastest aircraft of WW2 but the heat of friction from the transonic shock wave would necessitate the use of metal on many surfaces .
The post-war DeHavilland Vampire jet was, in the great DeHavilland tradition (remember the Mosquito), made largely of wood.
barryolaith Only the front part of the fuselage was made of wood. Wings, tail booms and tailplane all metal.
Even Adolf Galland was instructor at Argentine Air Force,and performs aerobatics with Bf 109 ,whit also german mechanics for maintenance and repairs.
Excellent. If this was on TV it would take 1 hour with adverts. You do the same job in 15 minutes.
So this the same Kurt tank who designed the hf 24 marut, didn't know the background info. You do thorough research work sir! Great work! Keep it going
10:28 Man! That must have been some "Flash Gordon" level fantasy come to life for that crowd back then.
Who else is still waiting for “The Japanese invasion of America” Part 3?
Did you check out Hitler's Headquarters in the USA?
11:56 - Now that's a vampire if i ever seen one
The De Havilland jet fighter? Relevant to this video.
A Nazi vampire? 🧛♂️
That sounds like a crappy B movie from the 1950's.
GRZ NGT the moment I read your comment I knew what part of the video you were referring to :D
Man, we want a podcast as well!!!
There was such an incredible brain drain from Germany and Austria before, during and after WW2. It’s astounding that these nations recovered and prospered so quickly.
Cheap Coal, Steelworks and the early EU they tied up production and stopped the UK expanding its superior steels and/or took the UK patents as they expired. Some help from the UK in rebuilding the Car industry and Germany's Development of Chemicals and high value engineering gave it an economic advantage, and it is probably the largest nation in Europe (Spain tied up with Franco, and France too tied up with agriculture to compete)
@@highpath4776 And the Marschall plan.
Volker Greve
The Germans (and essentially the rest of the World industrialized in the first place thanks to British capital and technology)
“The difference between the less developed and the more developed nations is a function of time: the British started to save sooner than all other nations: they also started sooner to accumulate capital and to invest it in business. Because they started sooner, there was a higher standard of living in Great Britain when, in all other European countries, there was still a lower standard of living. Gradually, all the other nations began to study British conditions, and it was not difficult for them to discover the reason for Great Britain's wealth. So they began to imitate the methods of British business.
Since other nations started later, and since the British did not stop investing capital, there remained a large difference between conditions in England and conditions in those other countries. But something happened which caused the headstart of Great Britain to disappear.
What happened was the greatest event in the history of the nineteenth century, and this means not only in the history of an individual country. This great event was the development, in the nineteenth century, of foreign investment. In 1817, the great British economist Ricardo still took it for granted that capital could be invested only within the borders of a country. He took it for granted that capitalists would not try to invest abroad. But a few decades later, capital investment abroad began to play a most important role in world affairs.
Without capital investment it would have been necessary for nations less developed than Great Britain to start with the methods and the technology with which the British had started in the beginning and middle of the eighteenth century, and slowly, step by step - always far below the technological level of the British economy - try to imitate what the British had done.
It would have taken many, many decades for these countries to attain the standard of technological development which Great Britain had reached a hundred years or more before them. But the great event that helped all these countries was foreign investment.
Foreign investment meant that British capitalists invested British capital in other parts of the world. They first invested it in those European countries which, from the point of view of Great Britain, were short of capital and backward in their development. It is a well-known fact that the railroads of most European countries, and also of the United States, were built with the aid of British capital. You know that the same happened in this country, in Argentina.
The gas companies in all the cities of Europe were also British. In the mid 1870s, a British author and poet criticized his countrymen. He said, "The British have lost their old vigor and they have no longer any new ideas. They are no longer an important or leading nation in the world." To which Herbert Spencer, the great sociologist, answered, "Look at the European continent. All European capitals have light because a British gas company provides them with gas." This was, of course, in what seems to us the "remote" age of gas lighting. Further answering this British critic, Herbert Spencer added, "You say that the Germans are far ahead of Great Britain. But look at Germany. Even Berlin, the capital of the German Reich, the capital of Geist, would be in the dark if a British gas company had not invaded the country and lighted the streets."
In the same way, British capital developed the railroads and many branches of industry in the United States. And, of course, as long as a country imports capital its balance of trade is what the noneconomists call "unfavorable." That means that it has an excess of imports over exports. The reason for the "favorable balance of trade" of Great Britain was that the British factories sent many types of equipment to the United States, and this equipment was not paid for by anything other than shares of American corporations. This period in the history of the United States lasted, by and large, until the 1890s.”
Pretty much the leading scientific nation in the world at the time - and in the new dangled frontiers of science such as Quantum Physics.
@@TheSulross And why they stopped being a superpower?
Don’t even gotta watch gotta be Kurt tank
To quote the line from the otherwise terrible Ice Station Zebra movie, "So they put the film made for us by our German scientists, in the camera made for you by your German scientists in a rocket made for them by their German scientists..."
Rock Hudson?
I want a German cientist. Where i can get one?
@@nazarenosilva4478 In Germany...
Ice Station Zebra is a great movie.
Terrible! Oh come on, it was a great and fun movie! Hell, it had Patrick McGoohan being his sharp dry humored self which made it all the better.
Thank God I found this channel.
I was born in Majdanek, still got scratch marks @
the barracks.
Thank you, Sir. Tuesday, April 13th, 2021.=3.14
Looks just like a MiG 15. I can’t imagine why.
Exactly
Convergent evolution. Both used the Nene and were both first generation jets.
Because this just happens to be the most optimal airframe for subsonic speeds. Have you noticed how the F-15 and the Su-27 are also quite similar? Or the Space Shuttle and the Buran? Same reason. Physics knows no borders or ideologies.
@@nematolvajkergetok5104 you do realize he wasn't really asking.
@@nematolvajkergetok5104 just like the tu-4 and b29
Good timing, i was researching this jet after your last video
Kurt Tank "This plane is grounded for further testing."
Test pilot Captain Manual "Hold my beer"
*And dies without he's beer.*
hold my mate*
At all ritmo
great work!, cheers from Córdoba, Argentina...
I suspect the Russians used the blueprints for the FW-183 which appear to have influenced the
Mig-15 significantly. Excellent video!
@Ionian Agreed. precisely. I have seen a TV show over 20 years ago about how Russia allegedly had detained a B-29 bomber from the USA thru some emergency landing then allegedly "reverse engineered the B-29. It is possible. Thx 4 the comment. Peace!
@Ionian I am impressed by your knowledge. I have heard of this Mig "defector who allegedly flew off from his base (or whatever) and landed on USA soil to defect and give his plane up. I had not heard that it was an interceptor, but that's the type of history I aspire to learn. Should that be the story you were referring to !?! I used to praise German military tanks to no end regarding the Axis powers and the Tiger tanks etc. Then a High School friend of mine mentioned how he liked the Russian T-34 Tank best of WW2. I thought he was nuts. I heard him out and he explained how the slanted armor was effective in deflection of shots and the 4 man crew was basic + the low cost and mass production of it made it superior. Further research told me that the T-34 was taken (1 tank) by the Germans from the Russian front allegedly, and after examination one (I forget who) engineer advised Hitler (or whoever was in charge of that department) to reverse engineer the T 34 to mass-produce and use against the enemy Russia, which was for whatever reason denied. So basically I think they as the Axis should have done so. Allegedly the Tiger Tanks cost a lot of money, resources, and time to manufacture, etc. As a child, I never understood the aspect of production costs, etc, and how that can hinder the quality of a war machine. Just FYI I am glad the Axis lost WW2, but when I look at the details I cannot help but admire the machines of war. Don't get me started on the FW 190. Kind regards to you from Washington DC! Peace.
I'd been hoping for a video on German aviation - particularly Kurt Tank's contributions to that field - for a while, but my fear was that it had already been done to death.
Glad you could breathe some new life into the subject.
As an Argentinean, I'm amazed that you know these topics, I actually live a few blocks away from the factory where this jet and other aircraft (like the Horten brothers gliders) were built, also, nice pronunciation of Spanish! May I suggest to make a video about the several Horten brothers aircraft? Or the fusion scam?(when a German nuclear engineer thought he had achieved fusion here in Argentina)
I know I saw a RUclips video on the fusion thing fairly recently, might have been dark docs.
There you go buddy.
ruclips.net/video/qjsJiAPrBeI/видео.html
But yes, i would love to see Mark Feltons take on it.
@@Justanotherconsumer yeah, for now is impossible, but a German guy claimed that he got fusion, when it was a misunderstanding of parameters
@@JL-cn1qi thanks, actually here is quite hard to find information on the subject
Great documentation on aviation history, keep up the good work!
I now see that other RUclipsr’s are trying to copy your unique style, but they can’t match your hard work. Thanks!
As history lessons told us... Start pointing fingers lmao
Sir I might me wrong but Kurt Tank's last aircraft may be India's HF-24 Marut
It was stated in film mate
Yes, but this was his last design from ww2 wich was actually built. The HF-24 is a post war design.
kwestionariusz1 I didn't notice by chance thanks
Gárdián Botond understood thanks
Mark, you never cease to amaze me with your content, thank you for your hard work.
A very interesting channel very informative yet such a pleasure to watch thanks Mark
Allied Soldier: (gun pointed) state your nationality..!!
German: Science club.. science club, bright, genius, you know.. intelligent..
Allied Soldier: CONGRATULATIONS.! COME.! COME.!..
Yep, considering the diverse World Allies that came to our aid, the spoils were not dealt out equally, the Marshal Plan should have diverted useful Nazi personnel going to Argentina, to those bereft Countries via a commonwealth system.
@@sebastianelytron8450 Mao Zedong was the biggest mass murderer in history. The number of people he killed even made Stalin jealous (Stalin was the 2nd biggest mass murder) & made Hitler look like an armature. (Hitler was the 4th biggest mass murderer, right behind King Leopold of Belgium)
When I saw the "Pulquil" it reminded me of the MiG 15.
well... they used the german technology to improve their own jet producing factories... but the germans had it BEFORE the russians, the russians got the NENE from UK and then they did their better jets, better engines :)
@@steffenjonda8283 Pulqui II used Rolls Royce NENE II engine as well
@@steffenjonda8283 And did Russia and the United States know anything about jet engines and missiles?
Minya was 100 people ahead of the world
Both mig 15 and f86 sabre stole the swept wing design from Kurt tank
Take a look at the Saab 29 Tunnan!
10:42 That guy in the bottom right corner looks kinda familiar...
Who's that?
his posture and movement is similar aswell.
Still not sure who you're talking about.
At first i didin't see it; but when he turned his head, his physique, his posture... i immediately knew it.
This is defenitely the guy who deliver's my mail every morning.
Ohh that's my boy Ricky!!
When the designer recommends grounding his own plane, and the test pilot ignores him, you know how it's going to turn out...