Old Timer 12OT Pal Pocket Knife - New vs. Old
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Comparison of the pre-2004 USA made Schrade Old Timer 12OT Pal and the Chinese made Old Timer 12OT Pal by Battenfeld Technologies from September 2020. Closed length of each knife 2-7/8". UK Friendly.
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I'm 68 years and still carry this U.S. made120T as my EDC carry everyday. Nothing fancy but works.
Happy to hear this, Ranger. Good that you can rely of your old friend. Take care.
My dad got me and my four brothers all a old timer back in the olden days. Talk about excitement! I got this knife you're showing since I was the youngest. Great memories
Thanks for reminiscing, Ray. Good to hear your history with this great knife.
I’ve carried a US made 83 for 15 years. I just found a US 12 this morning in the pawn shop down the road. Both are the perfect supplements to my edc.
The Pal is a great backup. Thanks Hoppes.
They both look pretty good. Cool little knives. I like the darker look of the older one a little better.
They are pretty similar. The USA one is a little better overall, but then there's the price difference. So....
This is my favorite line of knives. I like both. When I was still doing farm work, I carried the imports in case I dropped one in the field. Last year, I bought some old ones off the big auction site, and generally prefer those. If they aren't in perfect condition they can be had for about the same price as the new imports with patience.
Prices can vary wildly with the condition of the Older USA ones. The examples where the blades are pretty much original usually run $25 or more, always the rare exception if you're patient.
I love the old old-timer knives. The new ones aren't bad either! Thank you for the video TK
Good to know there are those enjoying the comparison videos. I enjoy doing them.
@@ThriftyKaniffy I myself think they’re great
I like those knives….. they are as we say the perfect church knives 😊I have a collection of small knives….. go figure yup I like small knives quite a bit….. that makes for another video 🤔thanks bud
I like small knives too. Amazing what a small tool can do.
Let's see it Pete. Thanks buddy.
@@ThriftyKaniffy absolutely I’ll break them out sure!!!!
Nothing wrong with the new ones, although i like the carbon steel blades a bit better, i'm happy they still make them. Thank you TK.
Yes, good to have them still being produced. Happy about that.
I just bought a set of these (a 950t and 120t as a set). They're not even stamped Schrade any more, they're stamped old timer. Still the stainless blade... Feels like it'll be a useful little box cutter/general purpose knife. I'd rather have the carbon steel blade.. I feel they hold an edge better. There is a slight bit of blade wobble when out, but far from the worst I've seen in the price range. Paid 26 and change after tax at my local walmart.
I'm getting away from the latest releases which seem to have dipped in quality some. Probably stick to the USA made ones now.
@@ThriftyKaniffy I'd second that idea. Looking at the back of my trapper, it's got some gaps that aren't function breaking, but also NOT a great indicator of quality fit and finish. The little knife doesn't have this issue
Ahhh! That's the one RJ sent me (thanks RJ!). It's an American made one. Don't have the corresponding Chinese made one but do have the Chinese two bladed model (forgot the name) with roughly the same sized main blade. Agree with everything you said though I like the Chinese made one too. The US made one is a good little carver with great carbon steel but it rarely leaves the backyard and house as I'd have trouble replacing it (with another US made one) if it got lost.
I think you might be referring to the 2 bladed Middleman. Both are good and I was a little high on my price reference the newer one can be had for 13 dollars when SMKW has them in stock. Thanks, JK.
Thanks for the comparison. I have one of the newer ones and it is a handy little knife. Great video, my friend!
A Buck man after my own Old Timer heart. Good to know, Tom.
I have an old 120t USA made that I still carry. Handy little knife.
The Old Timers are timeless. Thanks for having a look.
I would like to get a USA made one since they are not being made in USA anymore. Really it would be Cool to have both. Enjoy them all 👍
The Old Timer Generational series is made in the US, but it’s substantially more expensive
I try to find a USA example for each of the Chinese made ones I have. Easier said than done.
Both are great knives! I like the older one better!!
Yes, a bit more refined. I like the handle color a little more as well.
Definitely a classic knife and I know a couple older guys that still carry around a US made one they bought new years and years ago.
A good while ago now I bought like 5 or 10 pounds of knife parts. Just came literally thrown in a bag. I don't remember who was selling it but they had bought out a bunch of old stock from "schrade" after one of the sales of the company or something. I don't quite remember. I have a good handful of liners, covers, with finished and unfinished bolsters and some other tools and blades from different knives. Sadly it was a luck of the draw kind of thing and I didn't end up getting any already heat treated blades blanks or any of the back springs for the old timers. One of them is pretty cool and I'd like to try my hand at making the parts to finish it. It is a Copenhagen branded peanut made by Schrade.
Interesting thanks for the info, Swoop. Seems like there was a lot parts being sold back 2004 or so when Schrade closed their doors and some weird stuff coming out of it. Frankenstein knives if you will.
Thanks for this great comparison, buddy!
You are very welcome. I hope it was informative.
Review well done 👍.
I carry my pal often. They exude a kind of rustic ruggedness. Uncle Henry, Old timer, for me highly appealing.
Yes, they appeal to my desire for a simple no nonsense pocket knife. Love the wide range of pattern options and size variance too.
I just found your channel, because I bought a 120T at a pawn shop it was priced at 15.99 and I got it down to 12.99 not knowing it was made in China. I was disappointed, I thought it was made in the USA But what can I say every thing here is from China just about, but my say limited edition on It what can you tell me about this? And maybe what year? don't get me wrong it's a cool knife and I like it very much and Sharp as heck. Thank you.
Probabaly from one of those tin type sets sold around Christmas time that was made for just one year.
I have a stockman from 1990 -91 great little knife's.
Very nice. If I could go back in time I'd have invested more in them.
Great little " second " knife . I wish it were possible , that these were still being
" Made in the U.S.A." , but the reality is that it would be extremely difficult (if
not impossible) to manufacture a knife of this quality (in materials and
construction ) that is intended for the " user " market and keep it at a reasonable
price point . The " high end " and the collector market ( I'm thinking Case , G.E.C ,
Et al ) we can still profitably " do " , as to the utility/user market the choice
appears to be pay more (sometimes a lot more) or buy offshore (as more and
more are doing , as illustrated by the acceptance and success of Rough Ryder)
Great review .👍
It's good to have options. Schrade has showed some willingness to have knives made in the USA even today in the Generational series, and also some moderns. Thanks, Michael.
@ThriftyKaniffy i agree, i love the generational series, but i wiah they would expand it. Id love an 8ot and a 12ot in the series. Maybe a 95ot.
Great video, the thing that really stands out for me is the gold bolsters on the Chinese knife, I really prefer the solid silver bolsters
Yes, you're right the older bolsters don't have the yellow tinge to them.
@@ThriftyKaniffy it just reminds me of a cheap frost knife I guess lol, although I do have a few China made old timers.
That is a great little pocket dropper.
KirbyCreek, I really like the smaller Old Timers, they make many models perfect for the 5th pocket.
@@ThriftyKaniffy I do like the look of that 12OT and even got me looking over at the ebay... That's not the first time... I have three LB5's thanks to you. Another perfect little knife. I'm certain there are more that you deserve at least some shared credit for too. 🙃😉
There is absolutely no reason for Old Timer to be made in China. Schrade needs to make Old Timer in USA again!!!
Old Timer’s new Generational series is made in the US. More expensive, of course, but it’s an option.
Contact them and let them know how you feel, Glock.
Yes, true.
Cool comparison video. Thank you for sharing my friend.
Thanks for watching Frog. The comparisons are interesting with the modern tooling.
@@ThriftyKaniffy for sure
Do the Chinese examples still use the swinden key design? I don’t own any Chinese examples and always wondered if the new owners of Schrade continued that design of knife construction.
I think Swinden key design was used until around 1973 on Old Timers. The Chinese ones are conventional.
@@ThriftyKaniffy I had to check my carry knife. It’s a new old stock 34OT fresh out of the clamshell pack. If you open the blade halfway, you can see where the bolster is pinned to the liner. Right under that is where the key hole would be. The paperwork has copyright 1992 so it’s gotta be early to mid 90s. My 51OTs are all built with big pins but that knife was born to be used like a fixed blade.
Both are nice, do like the pricing on the import and will be just as useful.
Good to know Jose, thanks for the feedback.
The 12OT makes a nice small secondary carry. My experience has been that the new and old are pretty similar quality.
There really isn't a whole lot of difference. Certainly not as much as is made by the hardcore USA only guys.
@@ThriftyKaniffy I love US made, but not everyone can afford that. The Chinese knives allow people on a budget to get decent knives.
I bought a trapper from Walmart blade was loose right out of the box and the other one you could barley open it junk
Alrighty, Israel.
Cool video TK , have you noticed the nickel silver bolsters on China made traditionals have a slightly bronze color to them ? What's the story on those ?
I really don't know why they've done that, but yes I've noticed.
Saw on knife center that the bone cover old timers are now in 9cr18mov. The old 440c ones are priced a little cheaper.
The bone (OTB) Old Timers have been in 9Cr for a number of years; the delrin (OT) are still 7Cr.
That's right. The bone ones are a bit of an upgrade, unfortunately they are only available in select patterns. Thanks Hydrargyrum.
The use of a Chinese blade steel makes me wonder if these new "made in the U.S.A" Schrades are "made" in the US or merely assembled here. It's not unusual for the Chinese to do this, usually to dodge an import tariff of some kind. For example they will make a cell phone, then have the assembly done in Vietnam. Depends I suppose on what "made" means. My preference in such things is to ebay a clean, original Schrade but that just me.
@@lostcat9lives322 I could be mistaken but I think the USA made are produced for Schrade by Bear and Sons in Jacksonville, Alabama.
@@ThriftyKaniffy I suspected that possibility. The more I know about the knife industry, the more incestuous it is revealed to be. I think Camillus USA and Queen Cutlery produced more knives under other trade names than their own.
Just to small for my liking. I have the 109T wish there was a model with 3 inch single blade, if there is I haven't seen it.
They make them but they'd have a locking or fixed blade. 5OT Bruin for example
@@ThriftyKaniffy Exactly no slip joints. 😁
@@lewisgreenway5065 The Old Timer Landshark 19OT in all it's beautiful ugliness might be the closest to your requirements.
@@ThriftyKaniffy yeah I like it well enough.
Of course in this case the U.S. example is superior especially seeing the rear of the blade knocked down
Yes it has a much more streamlined appeal.
@@ThriftyKaniffy The U.S. is a properly finished product. It presents best.