The main pourpose of abs on motorcycle is to prevent falls, not to shorten breaking distance. It has been proven that progressive breaking is more effective than abs. But good luck with that when shit hits the fan.
Just want to specify that it all can be relatively different, depending of the bike and tires, just stop now ! But I’ve rides sport bikes for more than 30 years, and with my old Ninja 900 of 1995 ( evidently no abs or any electronic helps ) I used to install very good tires ( knowing how I was riding ! ) and not with a full racing tires but more for tack day uses then roads, I was able to pull some sick rolling stoppies out of it, even on pretty pouring rains, and I remembered all the commotion surrounding me doing it, at many occasions I’ve seen peoples get out of their cars at a stop lights in hard rains Just to walk around me sitting on the stop lights, who’ve ask me how the hell what they’ve just seen, did happen ? Many times they would ask me if I was ok ? Or did I need any help ? Because they thought I was just lucky to not killed my self somehow !? And when we were going in the same direction, they were seeing me do this at every stops, they just couldn’t comprehend how could that be done ? Just takes lots of practice, extreme controls of your machine, and the right Equipment ! Start doing rolling stoppies in 1993. And literally their was only two peoples doing it, me and my best friend He was even more crazier then me, even did one in front of the cop, after talking with him about bikes for nearly an hour, I told him what I was able to do, and he didn’t seemed to believe me, so after making him promesse he weren’t gonna arrest me or throw me fines for it, I got on my bike wile he and many other bikers continued to talk and watch I just got a little further did a u-turn and pop a good 40 or 50 feet rolling stoppie and stopped right in front of him !………. He was simply speechless and assured me if he didn’t see that from his own eyes ! He wouldn’t have believed it, and he add I probably couldn’t find anything to give you a tickets for ? Sure could say reckless driving, but trying to explain to a judge what just happened, he would look at me like if I was a madman! Never would believe this is possible ? I would have been more concerned about ruining my career then try to make this stick. Now theirs many guy’s doing it and way better than I ever did, but think of it back then bikes were way way less evolved, and especially tires, takes a sticky tires from 1995 and one from now !???? If you’re used to rides recent bikes with recent equipment, you would sit on a old 95 with the tires of back then, and you would say ‘’ they did that with this ???.? Because you’re gonna have the impression that those tires are has sticky as a hockey puck on ice. 😂😂😂😂😂👍
Haha great story! Indeed, it's all about the s k i l l ! Sounds sketchy now to do that on a 30yo technology, but back then it was top of the line. Sport bike = performance handling, speed and manuverability, it's funny to think about it now with all the advancements. For this video - I actually had the brakes fully maintained few months later which was basically the first full maintenance done on the brakes. Now the braking power are almost too good for the soft front end. Will have to do the test again next summer!
@@unknownRebelPL I know it sounds like a scene from a movie, but swear to god everything is true, the guy who got out of his car to look at me and the bike from every angles to understand how was it possible what he’d just seen, I was with other’s friends on bikes and my best friends was kinda park beside me at the light, he had a date with him, the girl didn’t knew us very much, but when she saw the guy completely in the limbo trying to figured out where was the cables holding the bike on balance to keep it that time in the air…. Obviously he didn’t had any answers, so he wasn’t talking he was just 200% baffled by everything, and my friend new girl was watching him all the way…, she had laughs so much, that she was ashamed because she literally pissed herself from laughing. and honestly I can’t remember how many times situation kinda like that one have happened, sportbikes have been the passion of my life, sure I’ve hurts myself….. a lots !!! but still don’t regret anything it is my life 👍
Should be gradual at the start to shift weight over to the front but you can slightly modulate the brakes harder to come to a faster stop. Practice makes perfect and will certianly help in a panic. Especially practicing with imagining a car appearing infront of you. It works!!
everybody thinks theyre the best rider in the world till a kid runs up infront of you and you panic smash those breaks, lose control, lose your life and take a kid with you, get yourself an abs, it cannot be recommended enough
@@josuededeus1486 It doesn't take the best rider in the world to not freak out like a little girl when it's time to use the brakes. ABS can help for sure if the surface is unexpectedly more slippery than it appears or other special circumstances. But if your expectation is you will drop your bike on dry pavement if a kid runs out in front of you, then you suck and should take some classes and practice in a parking lot. With all due respect.
I’d recommend 40% front brake 40% engine and 20% rear brake ALL at the same time. Can’t say that to modern bikes with 4 to 6-piston front calipers but I’d definitely recommend all three brakes together as engine braking is probably the most efficient at any speed. It’s useful to have a good feel over all the “lifelines” you’ve got in hand. You can’t go wrong with engine braking as long as its on the right speed ratio. 100-80kmh 6, 5, 4th gear, 80-50kmh 3rd, 50-30kmh 2nd gear are fine for engine braking if you slip the clutch smoothly while applying front and rear brakes. Engine braking also helps to force the whole bike to the ground via chain and sprockets, not only through the rear disc and tire, which means chain and sprockets work as an extra brake that keep the bike straight to the ground. Engine braking is especially efficient on an older (non-abs) bike as it doesn’t flip the rear wheel nor the front wheel out of control. Besides, you don’t want to search for gears when you’ve come to lower speeds and start to jerk from there.
for non abs bikes,if some how you happen to lock the front brake,is it recoverable?or do you instantly lose balance and fall?ive never seen a demonstration of that.
Instant loss of control, if lucky you’ll end up in a tankslapper, which is super difficult to recover. Therefore, it is important to service brakes regulary and avoid grabbing the front brake lever in panic.
Release the front brake when you feel the tyre locking and then pull it again instantly, and use just two fingers to pull the brake, in some cases(dry roads and if you are going staright) it is recoverable
I was going downhill at 100kph roughly right before a corner and I started braking hard for the corner. I didn't know how much traction I had available, but soon I locked up the front wheel and I felt the motorcycle lean to the left and I instantly tried to catch it with my feet while quickly releasing the brakes. Thankfully I saved it and the motorcycle quickly stabilized before the turn, but I sure am getting abs for my next bike, it doesn't influence riding in any way (unless you like locking up wheels), but it's always there in case you mess up braking by locking the wheels in an emergency situation or when other variables change (rain, cold tires, potholes, painted lines, ecc.) I've found myself always saving front-wheel lock ups, but I think everytime it was sheer luck because all of those actions I have just described happened in a fraction of a second and they were instinctive, probably if I added very little lean angle, or if I tried to swerve I would have lost control and fell from my bike. So it's possible to save a lockup of the front, but I wouldn't recommend for you to experience one, very scary.
Yes it's recoverable, most of the time depends on how hard and the duration of the lock up. Slamming on the breaks will undoubtedly get you in trouble, but if the lock up is mild and or the surface is wet you stand a better chance to recover. Locking up the front is much easier on the wet so to avoid that ride in a lower gear as this introduces engine breaking and you only need a light touch on the front and tiny bit of rear. In the dry locking up is pretty much always bad riding or observations, been forced into a situation where a hard break in the dry, so much so it locks up the front, is very very rare and just bad riding in 99% of situations I would say.
@@BLG80 well, it’s not dry. It’s wet enough to have different instincts. Non-abs bikes/cars don’t need much to lose total control without performance tires and skill. Current video is close to full rain approach in my case.
@@wannabepioneerI don't think it's anything close to full rain conditions. I ride all year around in any conditions and I see a dry line on the wet breaking section. Plus you breaked in 4.5 seconds from 100kph. Not in rain you didn't, no chance the physical laws of traction says that's B.S. At best it was damp.
@@BLG80 no offence but when you are proving your point, at least spell ‘braking’ the correct way, not ‘breaking’ - two completely different things. The title says wet and dry - my question is, was it dry or was it wet? Don’t get me wrong, I rode that bike 30k km in 4 years, from +5’C march (also during the last snow) up until november when the first minus degrees were around the corner. I am aware of different rain conditions, but I’m not dumb enough to ride during heavy rain. I use the gas and brakes at least 30% less actively compared to dry conditions.
Always keep good following distance. Remember that cars stop from 100 kmh in less than 3.0 seconds.
And bikes?
If you ride a proper bike with good brakes and 150 hp,that bike brakes fromm 200-100 like a car brakes from 100-0
Bikes break better than cars in general
@@roby496 that can also get you rear ended, its important to keep distances and be aware of your surroundings
@@roby496😂
The main pourpose of abs on motorcycle is to prevent falls, not to shorten breaking distance. It has been proven that progressive breaking is more effective than abs. But good luck with that when shit hits the fan.
Just want to specify that it all can be relatively different, depending of the bike and tires, just stop now !
But I’ve rides sport bikes for more than 30 years, and with my old Ninja 900 of 1995 ( evidently no abs or any electronic helps ) I used to install very good tires ( knowing how I was riding ! ) and not with a full racing tires but more for tack day uses then roads, I was able to pull some sick rolling stoppies out of it, even on pretty pouring rains, and I remembered all the commotion surrounding me doing it, at many occasions I’ve seen peoples get out of their cars at a stop lights in hard rains
Just to walk around me sitting on the stop lights, who’ve ask me how the hell what they’ve just seen, did happen ?
Many times they would ask me if I was ok ? Or did I need any help ? Because they thought I was just lucky to not killed my self somehow !? And when we were going in the same direction, they were seeing me do this at every stops, they just couldn’t comprehend how could that be done ? Just takes lots of practice, extreme controls of your machine, and the right
Equipment ! Start doing rolling stoppies in 1993. And literally their was only two peoples doing it, me and my best friend
He was even more crazier then me, even did one in front of the cop, after talking with him about bikes for nearly an hour, I told him what I was able to do, and he didn’t seemed to believe me, so after making him promesse he weren’t gonna arrest me or throw me fines for it, I got on my bike wile he and many other bikers continued to talk and watch I just got a little further did a u-turn and pop a good 40 or 50 feet rolling stoppie and stopped right in front of him !……….
He was simply speechless and assured me if he didn’t see that from his own eyes ! He wouldn’t have believed it, and he add I probably couldn’t find anything to give you a tickets for ? Sure could say reckless driving, but trying to explain to a judge what just happened, he would look at me like if I was a madman! Never would believe this is possible ? I would have been more concerned about ruining my career then try to make this stick. Now theirs many guy’s doing it and way better than I ever did, but think of it back then bikes were way way less evolved, and especially tires, takes a sticky tires from 1995 and one from now !???? If you’re used to rides recent bikes with recent equipment, you would sit on a old 95 with the tires of back then, and you would say ‘’ they did that with this ???.? Because you’re gonna have the impression that those tires are has sticky as a hockey puck on ice. 😂😂😂😂😂👍
Haha great story! Indeed, it's all about the s k i l l ! Sounds sketchy now to do that on a 30yo technology, but back then it was top of the line. Sport bike = performance handling, speed and manuverability, it's funny to think about it now with all the advancements.
For this video - I actually had the brakes fully maintained few months later which was basically the first full maintenance done on the brakes. Now the braking power are almost too good for the soft front end. Will have to do the test again next summer!
Where there dragons as well ?😅
@@unknownRebelPL wait until you get old and bikes start flying !? 😂😂😂
@@claudebaron9334 haha 😂🙃😍
@@unknownRebelPL I know it sounds like a scene from a movie, but swear to god everything is true, the guy who got out of his car to look at me and the bike from every angles to understand how was it possible what he’d just seen, I was with other’s friends on bikes and my best friends was kinda park beside me at the light, he had a date with him, the girl didn’t knew us very much, but when she saw the guy completely in the limbo trying to figured out where was the cables holding the bike on balance to keep it that time in the air…. Obviously he didn’t had any answers, so he wasn’t talking he was just 200% baffled by everything, and my friend new girl was watching him all the way…, she had laughs so much, that she was ashamed because she literally pissed herself from laughing.
and honestly I can’t remember how many times situation kinda like that one have happened, sportbikes have been the passion of my life, sure I’ve hurts myself….. a lots !!! but still don’t regret anything it is my life 👍
Oh nice marmot.
Good video. Do you fully press the front brake or you gradually press the brake? Thank you
Gradually
Should be gradual at the start to shift weight over to the front but you can slightly modulate the brakes harder to come to a faster stop. Practice makes perfect and will certianly help in a panic. Especially practicing with imagining a car appearing infront of you. It works!!
Noooooooo, you can't just slow down quickly without crashing if you don't have ABS! - Every ABS video comment section
everybody thinks theyre the best rider in the world till a kid runs up infront of you and you panic smash those breaks, lose control, lose your life and take a kid with you, get yourself an abs, it cannot be recommended enough
@@josuededeus1486 It doesn't take the best rider in the world to not freak out like a little girl when it's time to use the brakes. ABS can help for sure if the surface is unexpectedly more slippery than it appears or other special circumstances. But if your expectation is you will drop your bike on dry pavement if a kid runs out in front of you, then you suck and should take some classes and practice in a parking lot. With all due respect.
@josuededeus1486 don't go fast in a place with people and even if you crash no one will lose their lives most likely
Should i make engine brake at 150 kmph 2 to 1 then back then front smooth?
I’d recommend 40% front brake 40% engine and 20% rear brake ALL at the same time.
Can’t say that to modern bikes with 4 to 6-piston front calipers but I’d definitely recommend all three brakes together as engine braking is probably the most efficient at any speed.
It’s useful to have a good feel over all the “lifelines” you’ve got in hand. You can’t go wrong with engine braking as long as its on the right speed ratio. 100-80kmh 6, 5, 4th gear, 80-50kmh 3rd, 50-30kmh 2nd gear are fine for engine braking if you slip the clutch smoothly while applying front and rear brakes.
Engine braking also helps to force the whole bike to the ground via chain and sprockets, not only through the rear disc and tire, which means chain and sprockets work as an extra brake that keep the bike straight to the ground. Engine braking is especially efficient on an older (non-abs) bike as it doesn’t flip the rear wheel nor the front wheel out of control. Besides, you don’t want to search for gears when you’ve come to lower speeds and start to jerk from there.
@@wannabepioneertq 😅
all this time, abs ads were lie 😢
for non abs bikes,if some how you happen to lock the front brake,is it recoverable?or do you instantly lose balance and fall?ive never seen a demonstration of that.
Instant loss of control, if lucky you’ll end up in a tankslapper, which is super difficult to recover. Therefore, it is important to service brakes regulary and avoid grabbing the front brake lever in panic.
Release the front brake when you feel the tyre locking and then pull it again instantly, and use just two fingers to pull the brake, in some cases(dry roads and if you are going staright) it is recoverable
I was going downhill at 100kph roughly right before a corner and I started braking hard for the corner.
I didn't know how much traction I had available, but soon I locked up the front wheel and I felt the motorcycle lean to the left and I instantly tried to catch it with my feet while quickly releasing the brakes.
Thankfully I saved it and the motorcycle quickly stabilized before the turn, but I sure am getting abs for my next bike, it doesn't influence riding in any way (unless you like locking up wheels), but it's always there in case you mess up braking by locking the wheels in an emergency situation or when other variables change (rain, cold tires, potholes, painted lines, ecc.)
I've found myself always saving front-wheel lock ups, but I think everytime it was sheer luck because all of those actions I have just described happened in a fraction of a second and they were instinctive, probably if I added very little lean angle, or if I tried to swerve I would have lost control and fell from my bike.
So it's possible to save a lockup of the front, but I wouldn't recommend for you to experience one, very scary.
Yes it's recoverable, most of the time depends on how hard and the duration of the lock up. Slamming on the breaks will undoubtedly get you in trouble, but if the lock up is mild and or the surface is wet you stand a better chance to recover. Locking up the front is much easier on the wet so to avoid that ride in a lower gear as this introduces engine breaking and you only need a light touch on the front and tiny bit of rear. In the dry locking up is pretty much always bad riding or observations, been forced into a situation where a hard break in the dry, so much so it locks up the front, is very very rare and just bad riding in 99% of situations I would say.
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what bike is this ?
Its 1994 Kawasaki GPX600R
Yeah we have different ideas about what the definition of wet is.
@@BLG80 well, it’s not dry. It’s wet enough to have different instincts. Non-abs bikes/cars don’t need much to lose total control without performance tires and skill. Current video is close to full rain approach in my case.
@@wannabepioneerI don't think it's anything close to full rain conditions. I ride all year around in any conditions and I see a dry line on the wet breaking section. Plus you breaked in 4.5 seconds from 100kph. Not in rain you didn't, no chance the physical laws of traction says that's B.S. At best it was damp.
@@BLG80 no offence but when you are proving your point, at least spell ‘braking’ the correct way, not ‘breaking’ - two completely different things.
The title says wet and dry - my question is, was it dry or was it wet? Don’t get me wrong, I rode that bike 30k km in 4 years, from +5’C march (also during the last snow) up until november when the first minus degrees were around the corner. I am aware of different rain conditions, but I’m not dumb enough to ride during heavy rain. I use the gas and brakes at least 30% less actively compared to dry conditions.
@@wannabepioneer Ahh I see, fair weather rider no probs mate.