Don’t Listen to Andrew Huberman About this Fitness Advice
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I recently came across Andrew Huberman talking about tibialis raises with Tim Ferris. The conversation was full of misinformation regarding this area of sports medicine and it's time to set the record straight.
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It’s a nice breath of fresh air to see someone on the internet, instead of insulting and dismissing someone for being wrong, give them credit where credit is due then simply explain why they’re wrong
Which is also one of Dr. Huberman's strong points. I'd like to hear them talk - and disagree about everything. It's funny how the most humble people have the least reason to be.
He said Huberman didn't know what he was talking about several times. I think it's the definition of dismissing someone for being wrong. And where did he give him credit? Did you actually watch the video?
It’s sad that more recently a lawyer was bullied to take down his video over legal analysis drama over video games. The bullying involved insults and dismissal because the lawyer was working with faulty information.
@@Edmond347 did you miss the entire intro where he explained Huberman is credited neuroscientist and has done a lot of good in his area? This whole video is now about Andrew being outside his scope of competence and that's the area Brian is saying Andrew doesn't know what he's talking about.
Calling it absolute utter nonsense is pretty dismissive imo
I’ve been a physical therapist for over 20 years. I have a Masters and a Doctorate and am a bit appalled at the amount of BS there is in the fitness /health industry from supposed experts. Thank you For this post good Doctor. These honest critiques are much needed.
100% ! spend a lot of my day telling patients why all this bs they are reading online is just that...
Huberman is not “fitness industry” he’s a very intelligent neuroscientist
@@BROSIGMA69He makes money by promoting supplements.
Wellness and self-help have always been filled with dogmatic and/or cynical fart huffers.
I've been self teaching myself for a CSCS for 3 years now, and it really opened my eyes to how much this stuff is glorified or wrong or irresponsible
Doctor Huberman is a neuroscientist. Not a podiatrist or a sports medicine doctor. When I want brain advice I listen to Doctor Huberman. When I want sports medicine, I'll watch Doctor Sutterer.
The problem is that Huberman is using his cred to talk about topics that are more and more outside of his expertise - and regular people perceive him as an scientific oracle. Not to mention he is pandering from time to time to pseudocience (like grounding).
@@thenoideamanExactly, he also implies that the supplements he shils are evidence based.
You're missing the point buddy. Good on you that you're discerning but these people run their mouth about shit that they dont know about because they're "credible" in other areas...
He did have a three part series with Dr. Andy Galpin who is an exercise scientist that had some good information, but that’s probably because he had the right expert on that podcast
Listen to dr. Mike from Renaissance periodization he is a phd in sports physiologically he's actually brilliant and super funny and educational. 👍
It's so frustrating that somebody I've learned so much from like Huberman can spew the rubbish that they themselves would have condemned in the past. Really worries me about what information I've taken on in the past. Appreciate you letting us know about this, Doc.
Well put.
I would take everything out of his range of expertise with a grain of salt. That's a good lesson in general.
He spoke some absolute nonsense about hairloss for example as well.
You should always take everything a *salesman* says with a grain of salt. @@ballislife9924
@ballislife9924 I was about to say, I trust him on the stuff he's actually an expert in but the other stuff not as much, same as I trust a mechanic to fix my car but probably not fix me
Absolutely true you should take anything out of his area of expertise of with a grain of salt. I'm an upper year uni student heavily involved in extracurricular academics and I can say for a fact you'd be stunned how little many PHDs know outside of their field as part of their job is to be the absolute top of their respective field but that often means sacrificing curiosity in other areas for specificity in a single one. On top of that even within that field most PHDs or even (although much less so) Drs are only truly experts in one specific subset of that field, the rest of their knowledge of the field are things anyone with enough curiosity and dedication could learn from either the internet or undergrad uni courses for 2-4 years. As a result even within their respective realms of academics anyone is still liable to be out of their depth when they reach out of their sub-domain and it'd be quite easy to find an expert in that other sub-domain with a completely different opinion or approach. The main thing to look out for when taking in information from online experts are the classic fallacies "cure all's" for age old conditions, far reaching results i.e. fixing your IBS will stop you getting cancer or something and theb lastly off the top of my head conflicting interests
I play hockey as a goalie. We do the "wierdest" movements and by extention wierdest strengthening & balance exercises (especially those of us using butterfly, what you see in modern NHL vs the previous generations that were more on their feet). Some of us explode up off that muscle group, probably making for some relatively strong & regularly activated "tibs". Multiple times a game, in full wet gear. FYI: When we sleep, our ankle/feet relax like normal people.
That butterfly style always freaks me out re: ACL, MCL strains
Felt the one on the butterflies as a retired hockey player as well
Yup. Butterfly pushes and vh/RVH are killer tib movements. Mine jut out pretty well when I flex em. But when I'm lying down relaxing, my feet and ankles flop
It's almost like the size of a muscle has nothing to do with its ability to relax when not being engaged...
Yeah my feet fall too and I would bet my tibs are stronger then his being a goalie also
This is a sobering reminder to question "experts" especially when they stray from their areas of expertise. Smart people can believe (and push) stupid things. Kudos for enlightening us on this false information.
Sobering for sure. Sad to see Huberman the latest culprit
@@djbolt178 its called doing a Jordan Peterson.
EXACTLY! 👏🏿@@SpencerDonahue
Great book about this called, "The Intelligence Trap: Why Smart People Do Stupid Things and How to Avoid Them" that covers this in more depth. I will add the caveat though that it is ok for someone with a PhD to venture out into areas in which they aren't an expert, as long as they properly understand and convey that they know they aren't an expert and actively look for feedback from experts in the field. However, Huberman of course does not approach it this way and instead presents himself as the expert on all of these subjects which he simply can't be.
@@djbolt178 Jordan Peterson is a classic "high IQ con-artist" as I like to call them. Obviously smart, but has spent his entire life overpowering people with quick words and emotional arguments that he's become convinced that those are the same as reasonable conversation and discussion. You come across this type every once in a while in academia, and while they are normally disliked within academia as it is easy to see through their crap with a certain level of education, they are often quite popular to the general public. Historically, many (but not all) of the most famous scientists in the eyes of the public have been pretty poor thinkers in the eyes of academia. Jordan Peterson, Huberman, and Bill Nye are the three that immediately come to mind. Lots of great science podcasts and communicators out there who convey great information, but the most popular often become peddlers of bad info.
The one thing I hate about most people in these professions, is that instead of just saying they don't know, they'll spread nonsense. Good on Brian for pointing this specific case out. If Huberman can confidently state one lie, who's to say he doesn't do this on the regular.
One of the most fundamentals anyone who finishes a PhD should know is just how much they don't know. Anyone who comes out the other end talking like Huberman does is an instant red flag for me. A scientist who is confident about every claim they make and states everything as if it is fact is most often a bad scientist and potentially just a con-artist.
I think the public needs more education on how to spot bad information, myself included. I like that you point out the red flag of generalized statements with sweeping conclusions. You and Dr. Mike do a great job teaching people how to think critically.
Do you know how to do this ?
Brian, I greatly appreciate you doing this. I'm a bioengineer by training and have been an athlete most of my life. When huberman talks about things well outside of his specialty it drives me absolutely crazy. There is so much more than what you've talked about here but I really appreciate someone with a platform saying these things.
Yep, first time I saw a Huberman video on working out I thought is he stupid, or am I?
If "glutes not firing" was mentioned you could have had "Bingo".
I am a big fan oh Huberman. I have learned a lot about how different drugs effect the brain, light exposure, and focus. But this is the reason why it is absolutely necessary to listen to a wide variety of people on the same topics.
Hey this Doctor Brian here isn't an expert either. Please watch the video again with no emotion and listen to the words of everyone carefully, watch Brians facial expressions.
@@robertdealz29kholy shit dude, you’re like the biggest Hubes fan ever. You’re in every single comment thread like his pitbull. If you’re that emotionally invested in Huberman that you can’t even handle a vid critiquing him, maybe you oughta ask yourself why?
@@robertdealz29kso an actual orthopedic doctor isn’t an expert? You’re just wrong and clueless. Good luck with that
Yes he is not an expert. Look at his frail body. And by his facial expressions and tones he is clearly hating on Andrew@@srsr28 This Man is jealous and clout chasing
@@robertdealz29kyou are a clueless Huberman fan boy 😂
As a PT student right now I appreciate your videos. Would also love a follow-up video on Joe Burrow’s wrist injury. Thank you for your insight as always!
I’m not educated enough to fact check him, but I’ve always sensed snakeoil salesman vibes.
Scotty Kilmer vibes
@@fusnowtigerScotty catching strays even on this part of RUclips. 😂😂😂
Wasn’t he on Rogan? seems like everyone on Rogan the last several years is a grifter/snake oil salesman. If they’re not like a comedian or fighter 😂
Tough to be a snake oil salesman when you don’t sell anything my friend
@@bigb29952995sells podcast sponsors. Are you daft? 😂 well, you do listen to snake oil salesmen..
Possibly my favorite video you have done. More content debunking the b.s. these influencers spread please.
Totally agree.
Agreed. There’s a group of these very smart and intelligent guys who are on every podcast spouting ‘knowledge’ on an array of subjects and acting as if they’re some form of life coach and you gotta follow their routines to become elite like them 🙄
He’s not an influencer. Just because you disagree or wrong. Don’t discredit him. Much smarter than both of us
@@Antshealth
He's smart,
but he's also being a con.
Stop it
@@Antshealth
He's smart,
but he's also being a con.
Stop it
The Hubris of Huberman is astounding
Andrew Hubrisman
hater
Im a PT student and i absolutely love this kind off content
I agree with 95% of what Dr. Sutterer is saying here. However, as a foot and ankle specialist, I always tell my patients with flat feet and equinus (tight calves) to not only passively stretch the triceps surae (Achilles) to relieve symptoms but that active dorsiflexion and concentric training of the tibialis anterior can cause eccentric stretching and strengthening of the triceps surae. Concentric muscle contraction leads to increased relaxation and stretch of antagonist muscles. This can reduce progression of pes planus, Achilles tendon pathology, genu recurvatum, and lumbar lordosis. So while Dr. Hubermans logic is completely flawed, tib ant exercises can help reduce a lot of symptoms in not only the foot and ankle but the entire body. Great video! Love the content
I'm confused, how is his logic flawed? Doesn't your post support his claims (which he learned from other experts)?
@@jonk8983you can have false/flawed logic and still arrive at the correct conclusion.
Thank you for your detailed explanation. It was very helpful.
Saying "you've been doing so many other things" is a weak argument because he's been doing all those things for many many years, but now adding tib raises has made a notable difference. If you're going to criticize you should cite data rather than dismissing his personal experience.
Love this video. As a physical therapist I’m a fan of Tibialis raises as it’s another muscle to exercise to strengthen the ankle joint, but hate seeing a lot of fitness “influencers” making all these claims how training the anterior tib will fix knee pain and other body parts as mentioned in this video. Great job covering this 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
It's almost like, if you exercise muscles in one direction you have to exercise muscles in the counter direction for balance..... 🤔
I mean it can be a solution for pain in a lot of cases, however not all cases. Pain is complicated and can be caused by a million different things.
It helps a whole lot. Try not to hate so much and entertain the possibility that Huberman may be on to something.
KneesOverToesGuy uses as part of his programme that helps with his knee pain, I believe KNOTG suggests that strengthening the tibs will help prevent knee pain. Check it out.
So are you saying that if the anterior tibialis is inhibited and there is a muscular imbalance bw the posterior compartment and the anterior compartment that in a resting state the ankle won’t be more plantar flexed? That this can’t affect the biomechanics at the ankle joint and therefore up the kinetic chain to the knee and cause abnormal loading patterns at the knee and possibly knee pain?
"A lot of people who have knee pain have weak shins" is not the same as "if you have knee pain, you must have weak shins."
I get your point. No need making it sound worse. Plus I don't think he's "doing it for views" as you make it seem. Isn't it possible for someone to mean well and get things wrong?! I don't know why we tend to do this a lot. He talks about something he's passionate about without dropping a disclaimer and bam! He's a view hungry unqualified person. Wouldn't be surprised if somewhere in the main podcast he mentions that these are his opinions as he's not an expert. The dude tries a lot to avoid things like these. If you listen to any of his podcasts you'll know. So, cut him some slack. He's wrong. But he doesn't have to be made out to be the bad guy here.
And he will invite you on so you can tell everyone including himself where he is wrong an will make sure you get credit for telling him he as wrong as he did with Layne Norton when Layne called him out and corrected him...
That’s true, he could very much mean well. But just because you mean well, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be firmly held accountable.
Great comment
Did Dr. Huberman ever corrected any of this wrong information? It tells all there is to know about him if he's a "bad" guy or not.
This was most professional and respectful undressing of an internet personality "influencer" I've ever seen in my life. 10/10 would watch Dr Sutterer destroy "experts" again
It was not respectful or or professional. Read my main comment, and rewatch the video.
Fanboi detected.@@robertdealz29k
The world needs more videos like this. What seems to be happening in YT is cross pollination - e.g. Ben "Knees Over Toes" becomes huge, cross pollinates other channels, YTers who've gone stale see a chance to ride coattails (how much fitness content now reference Sam Sulek for clicks) and now we're all talking about tib raises.
I appreciate your efforr on clarifying and correcting such misguided or misleading info..
Continue to do so.. kudos
Also, a 22 minute video from Doctor Brian?! How did we get so lucky? It must be Christmas or all our birthdays today
I enjoy your factual medical advice Dr.Brian. It’s beneficial to see you call out what is right and what is wrong.
I am not a fan of influencers personally, but I was skeptical about Wim Hofman, but I tried his breathing, and Icebaths. I got off anxiety medication ever since. The point being science isn't the complete truth and it changes all the time. It's good to be open minded.
You should stick to science. Your woo woo stuff isn't replicable for other people.
Thank you, Brian. I have family who've become obsessed with this "health guru"...I find his podcast not unlike a religious community, people looking for guidance and a cure-all to life's pains. Just not how the world works, nor can anyone be credible on the # of subjects he touches on.
Buzz word soup is the formula for online fame
ironic considering his title is full of buzzwords
@MrFreshApplesauce know what the difference is? This guy is qualified to talk about the topic.
Since when are any words in the title a buzzword?
The Knees of Toes Guy is a good guy with some great exercises, but is mostly responsible for making the "tib raise" the holy grail of knee and back pain. It is a good exercise, and may help with ankle mobility and stability, especially when running and jumping, but as the good doctor says, your ankles should be relaxed when you sleep. You should not be all tensed up with toes pointed towards the ceiling. I like Huberman, but he is an "expert" in a few too many things sometimes. If you want to understand the brain and dopamine, he is a pretty great listen. Good video doc.
u dumb
Doctor on doctor beef, I love it 😂
I’m pretty sure I have that movie on vhs
DR Katt Sutter🤭
And he eats hello fresh too 😅
It's actually science vs BS.
Probably one of my favorite videos. I think healthy criticism like this is necessary with all this misinformation and clickbait going on in the health industry.
Ive watched a lot of Huberman videos and most likely have fell for the trap of buzz words and just agreeing everything he says when some material is not within his scope. This also goes for other pod casters. Really liked how you were professional in calling him out, explained why, discussed the traps (although may be unintentional) used my some gurus to draw in viewers. Hope Huberman sees this video and realizes its with good intention. Would love to see a pod cast of your thoughts on the fitness industry and some of issues you adressed here on this video specifically.
For most people with very minor issues, tibs is just one of those "just tick the boxes" kind of solutions. Just do it, cause why not.
What tib training REALLY does is train ACTIVE ankle dorsiflexion out of a stretched (plantar flexed) position. If that specifically is a weakness for you, then you might be solving a problem.
On the heavily imbalanced right side of my body, I had a weaker and stiffer ankle in both plantar flexion and dorsiflexion. Strengthening through that full motion has contributed to that imbalance getting cleared up. So I did tons of other ankle/foot/lower-leg work that in the end made a difference.
It’s really great and refreshing to see how far this channel as home. Great work, doctor!
I love that you diagnosed the host on his injury, hope he's watching and not flexing his tibs!
Thank you for the upload Dr Brian! A valid point Dr Huberman raises this you discredit is the effect that treating one part of the body will not effect another part specifically: "posture" as a physician you should be well aware of how increase the range of motion in the knee can be achieved by actively stretching the body below & above the knee which will even improve general mobility not just the knee & whole body posture if you could barely flex your knee before. Regarding nerve pain signalling: it is well established that your brain can ignore pain when presented with a greater stimulus & or distraction dependent upon the severity!
Thank you.
Peace & Love!
I really appreciate your perspective on this. Very interesting. I agree with you on that I think a lot of people get sucked into talking about areas that they aren’t experts in.
Excellent message! Don’t go looking for problems you don’t have
Pre-hab and warmups for leg days im all in for tib-raise, especially as one of the exercise to rehab/remobilization of ankle after sprains or chronic bad ankle mobility (not the onlt thing part of a set of rehab exercises) and the old domino effect of better ankle mobility in time will help lead towards better technique/mechanics in say squatting, split squats, one leg squats etc. which domino effects to (i know as well as other things too) hopefully better potential biomechanics in running jumping (i get that it doesnt just happen you have to work on form technique in the movement still, but at least you are giving yourself a greater foundation to work with rather than from limited strength and mobility base)
But tib raises done to directly build strength to other muscle groups or even having a secondary type of effect to building muscle and strength to the calves or elsewhere...well i have a bridge to sell you if you believe that
As a physical therapist regarding sciatica, it comes down to the connections of the thoracolumbar fascia which can be influenced by tight hamstrings. I think Huberman is correct, and there is clinical interventional practices we use to deal with muscular imbalances in the LE that do in fact impact the axial skeleton, and can relieve sciatica. This can also be further explained from the idea of the COG (center of gravity) that acts on the levers of our hips, knees, and feet. It is true that fixing flat-feet which formed from bad footwear (which is pretty much a large number of cases) can also fix other positions of the LE levers. We've seen this in patients with Pes Planus Sciatica. Does a weak/tight/etc TA impact flatfeet? Yes, but it's part of what Dr. Brian better explains that it is multifactorial. I think the problem is Huberman might just be talking off script, and honestly I do not think he's also wrong because we do in fact have these situations in clinical settings.
I have that thing that the muscles on my tibia feel like they're gonna explode and what Dr. Brian said makes sense because it only happens (in my case) when I walk a lot but not when I run. When walking I plant my heel first and when running it's the toes first.
Thank you for this video we need more people breaking down what big influencers are saying. Have you ever considered putting out science based approaches to fixing common aches and strengthening commonly weak muscles?
Man I can only imagine how huge and strong my calf muscles would have been if I had done "Tib raises". Stupidly I did calf raises, biking, and hiking to strengthen my calf muscles. Little did I know that Tib raises would also have prevented the osteo arthritis in my knees that developed in my late 20's/early 30's. I thought it was the knee injuries and genetics. Big medical lied to me!
its diet
i've never had knee problems
You didn’t create your problems by strengthening your calves. You would have inherently strengthened many muscles while you did this.
I Appreciate you for setting the record straight. I enjoy your videos, keep them coming
If he didn't, I don't know who else could or would on this platform. These 2 channels probably share many subscribers.
I love seeing your channel blow up like this! Been with your vids since day 1.
The biggest thing I can think of from my educated knowledge is the kinetic chain. If one thing is off it can cause MANY issues all the way up the kinetic chain. By strengthening muscle that is never trained can 100% contribute the the relief of pain and problems in the knees, hips, and back even by improving the kinetic chain
This is the comment I was looking for. I’m a Huberman fan but recognize when he talks out of his ass, I don’t share opinion with him a few items. That being said I don’t believe the video reply is accurate. Cal Dietz of UMinnesota speaks out on the importance of having very strong feet, and how a weakness(spring ankle exercises > tib raises) in an athlete through that foot leads to compensation patterns and your brain finds a place for the load to be dispersed in other joints up the kinetic chain in a matter of milliseconds. An unstable foot might lead to hip/glute/core firing pattern dysfunction over time, it’s very possible this could help sciatica, knee pain, and aid in running ability… I think there is value in the idea even anecdotally speaking, it’s unfortunate that when you’re at Huberman’s level you really have to consider everything you say and have evidence based research to back it’d otherwise this sort of advice comes with being dogged on by peers. I think it would be more beneficial to the doc to explore literature review and entertain the possibility rather than making content exposing him as a guru for advocating an exercise. It’s kind of contradictory in a way.
more people should read these comments here.
Overtraining is a myth
@@missioncodez
I'm with you! I feel like he took him out of context. He wasn't encouraging people to go do tib work, he was saying with my extensive workout routine I still had pain until I started to work my tibs. Which like you said could have been the weakness in the kinetic chain. Once that was corrected the body adapted and changed how muscles fired and no more pain. Now I do see how the doc got annoyed when he said the part about being in bed and the feet flopping. That part was a complete reach so yes spank him for that but the rest is possible.
Doc, great explanation. When I heard the description of Chronic extertional compartment syndrome and Huberman said to do Tib Ant workouts I was getting heated
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽THANK YOU!
I am so glad you made this video! I am not a doctor, but I was born with a lot common sense and the ability to tell if someone is full of bologna. Thank you Jesus. Anyway, because I am not a doctor, people are not going to listen to me when I warn them about someone like “Andrew Huberman“. They will listen to you though, because you’re a doctor! You are confirming my thoughts on this guy long before any one else was calling him out. THANK YOU!
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Love this new type of content!
Thanks so much for calling out misinformation! And for elucidating so succinctly the danger of ADH’s grift.
Great video, very informative and you clearly know what you're talking about. We need more of this, so many snakeoil salesmen out there.
How do you know that this guy isn't lying as well? Also Huberman was not selling anything, his point is that movement is medicine. Working out is free
Love that you called out one of these podcast dorks. I like Huberman when he talks about his field, but he tries to portray himself as this all knowing perfect specimen of a human.
Thank you Dr. Sutterer for fact checking another well respected doctor. I’m glad I subscribed to your channel. Please continue with communicating truth.
I’m not a neuro scientist, and I love Dr Huberman for when I want to learn about my brain and psyche.. but I’ve been a PT for quite a few years, and there’s times I hear Dr huberman say some things in regards to fitness that make me raise my eyebrows. But Never a day in my life did I think anyone would have the balls to call him out. You’re a fearless warrior Dr Sutterer 😂
I've dealt with my sciatica by doing physical therapy exercises and dynamic/static stretching focused on the hip flexors! I've never even heard of "tib raises" 😂
Ben Patrick..Knees over Toes Guy
Thank you for this. It points out the risk of relying on one single source, even supposedly reputable sources. It's not comforting but it is an important and very real issue.
Thank you for this. Exercise physiologist here, and while I appreciate so much of what Huberman does, I do find that he can speak out of his depth, especially about exercise.
Your opinion on the knees over toes guy would be very interesting
I love tib raises great right after some calf raises, you wouldn’t only train your triceps. Train both sides!!! For bodybuilding idk about the PT aspect but they help your lower leg look bigger
This was a fantastic video. Thanks for the information and I especially appreciated the advice to not go looking for something to be wrong with me. It seems like there is a lot of scare mongering and talking nonsense on the internet, and it is a good reminder to not get swept up in it.
One of the key muscles those with valgus feet (flat feet) need to strengthen is the extensor hallucis longus, which lifts the big toe. As such, it creates lateral tension on the foot, thus lifting the arch. There are other factors, such as avoiding wearing insoles that press against the arch. These insoles create a “reflex reaction” that causes the arches to collapse even further. J.P. Roll won the highest award for neuroscience and has written extensively on this topic.
I feel like I'm listening to most doctor's inner thoughts when hearing bullshit. Dr. Stutterer's commentary is the most professional sass and I need more
Expertise is key in medical advice. Your information gives us the facts, not general knowledge that can be very misleading and harmful. Thank you for your clear and accurate information.
I've been dealing with what I thought were shin splints for years, I've tried everything and nothing has helped, but my symptoms match what Tim Ferris have. I'm glad I now know that it could be CECS.
There were a hand full of times in this video where I wanted to interject and put my “2 cents” into why I believe Huberman is claiming these things but you did a great job explaining the possibilities why he’s saying these claims. Loved the video and your explanation Doc!
Would love more videos of you debunking the nonsense we see online
What I do for calves is analogous to the belt machine for calf raises, but I start negative and go to the tip of the toes, pausing at the bottom. It burns and you don't walk well for a few seconds, but it grows them - tho, I have good genetics for calves, they were always big. I don't have a good way to do the Tibialis exercise, but this execution does both muscles, and since the range on motion is respectable I think it's enough. I didn't like the calf raises from the ground in the past. You can go to 100 in a row and not feel much, even with weight, so going "below ground" level helps with lowering the reps and allowing the weights to be used in the exercise while making more measurable sense and saving time. Only problem is you have to balance while doing it. If I had a belt for weights, It'd be perfect.
Great video! Martial artists do focus on that muscle for helping strengthen the foot position when striking with the ball of the foot or shin blocking and striking.
As a PT, I do "tib work" with my patients to prevent shin splits, especially with clients that had been immobilized and are returning to impact training (running/sports). I also think that tip anterior strength plays a roll in decreasing compressive force through the knee joint, which Huberman does not mention. Could It have helped his sciatica...I think so. But his other claims are out there. You do get caught up in your biases no matter who you are.
Idk. Isn't basic kinesiology that an unsupported foot/base will translate into the legs and up. Causing an imbalance. Some stuff you kind of glossed over.
Can you bring Dr Huberman on the channel to discuss?
What should they discuss about, this is his expertise not huberman’s. Obvious 3d explanation was not enough for you maybe.
@@cagatayka Dr. Huberman got outside of his lane and made some statements with seeming confidence that were incorrect. I would be curious to see a discussion of where he got the information and how even a trained medical doctor can take information at face value and regurgitate it without fully understanding. I would be curious if Dr. Huberman would want to try to back up his statements in the face of these critiques or if he would be open to changing his mind.
That may not be interesting to you. But it would be interesting to me.
I’d love some content from you suggesting what to do in the case of various aches/pains/injuries and how to prevent them!
Spot on. You could see him change -carried away with new identity - Palo Alto bro culture.
I really enjoy(ed) a lot of stuff from Huberman (and his guests) but as soon as I realized how hard he pushes the AG1 scam while mixing true aspects with ridiculous exaggeration I knew that you have to take everything he says with buckets full of salt ;)
Thank you for shining a light on this phenomenon. I think there is a very common pitfall for intelligent people who are experts within a field to fall into, regardless of if they are a podcaster or not. I think the mistake is overestimating the effect of intelligence for making a good decision or coming to a sound conclusion and underestimating the effect of prior knowledge within that area. The 'feeling' of understanding something will be the same whether that understanding rests on solid facts or not. Someone who is an expert in something has learnt to trust that feeling, but may not be cognizant of their lack of solid facts.
Well put, doctor! Their area of expertise ends and they start stepping out into areas they're as ignorant as we are.
Brian, hope you go on the Decoding the gurus podcast. You would have a lot of fun.
This is Huberman in a nutshell. He has jumped 2 footed into so many things outside of his circle of competency: nutrition, fitness, etc. I'm glad more SMEs like you are finally calling him out on it. Keep it up Brian.
Dr. Sutterer, have you made an attempt to contact Dr. Huberman and discuss this privately? I’m not going to pretend like I know much about him or if he’s even willing to listen to doctors with specialties or more relatable medical experience to the topic in question but in my opinion reaching out to him and informing him what you’ve discussed here and giving him the opportunity to admit he was wrong is much more professional.
In no way am I questioning you and it is very possible you’ve made attempts to reach out to him that have been ignored or brushed off I’m just suggesting maybe there is a better way to go about correcting a fellow MD.
However, I applaud your initiative of correcting others when faulty or false medical advice has been presented as factual information and I love your channel!
Thanks for this - I haven't been able to stop thinking about my "floppy feet" every time I go to bed LOL, seriously!
Pseudoscience can come from physicians. Just because you have an MD does not mean you're immune to nonsense.
If to play devil's advocate, without attempting to justify the act of making unfounded claims: absence of evidence is not equivalent to evidence of absence.
So even if someone's claims appear unfounded (and they may indeed be comletely uninformed) they could conceivably make a claim that is inadvertently supported by evidence that they aren't even aware of - accidentally correct. Or the evidence may simply not be there because proper research to elucidate some particular point has yet to be conducted.
Some interesting patterns I have seen that are purely anecdotal or borderline too obvious to emphasise:
>> an overwhelming majority of people in the 'developed countries' wear shoes / walk on mostly flat predictable surfaces (like the majority of time for most people is spent indoors. Crazy.)
>> anecdotally, I barely know a single person out of everyone that I know who would fail to mention some bothersome aspects related to how their feet are feeling - once the subject arises in conversation.
>> as an extension, a substantial subset of the modern population may have related changes to their 'neuro-fascio-musculoskeletal' system (or somesuch term - feel free to reorder / substitute / extend as you see fit) - this is just a speculation. A complex pattern of atrophy and compensatory adaptations.
>> an overwhelming number of people readily observable as they pass by, who struggle to pick up their feet, forward head posture, excessive anterior pelvic tilt etc.
>> could seemingly silly exercises, that even momentarily rearrange the fascia to give different neural feedback regarding discomort, have the ability to reframe for many people a chronic and unavoidable pain as an alterable signal? Anecdotally, it seems, yes. Maybe that is part of the reason that the kneed over toes channel has been doing well (other reasons notwithstanding) - just guessing.
Nice video Brian. Huberman's overstated his knowledge with dentistry too.
Knees over Toes guy pushes Tib raises for knee issues. I spent two years working the Tibs hard and walking backwards with Zero positive result. Knees still wrecked from 40 years of hard running. Can't beat wear and tear.
I knew he was talking about Ben Patrick he just wasn’t stating it clearly
Maybe it’s more preventative?
There are videos on RUclips explaining that you cannot regrow (knee) cartilage with exercise and diet. Cartilage doesn’t have its own blood supply, which significantly reduces its ability to heal. Even surgery even has it's limits. The procedure called autologous chondrocyte implantation (ACI) takes healthy cartilage cells from the damaged knee, cultures them in a lab for four to six weeks, and then injects the new cells into the damaged joint for regeneration with the surrounding cartilage. This minimally invasive procedure is an option for some patients who have one or two areas of isolated cartilage loss, which occurs over time. Patients with more extensive damage may require knee replacement. Surely Huberman should know this.
Walking backwards and tib raises won’t save yours knees alone man. You need to progress and use load and other lifts to actually strengthen your knee.
Have you tried altering your foot strike?
One of my closest friends actually watches all of his podcasts and its frustrating, because there is some good information that he can present to a casual audience, but there are also a lot of fads that he perpetuates that have no basis whatsoever. An example is the whole hot/cold therapy, and while its good and does work for athletes at the top of their game, its not really as beneficial time-wise for someone who would have better-spent their time strengthening stability muscles and doing pre-hab exercises.
A lot of his focuses and rabbit-holes just miss the point for the sake of views
Jealous
Tibialis raises could, in theory, be accomplishing some neural flossing/gliding activity (depending on how you are doing them), which could help alleviate some sciatica-type symptoms. Just throwing out the only mechanism I could think of where tibialis exercises might help.
Doc, thank you for this video, its so many people out here spewing bs that I'm glad you addressed it
I’m new to Dr. Stutterer and appreciate his critique, but one of his main critiques of Andrew is that he does various things that are helpful in addressing the issues Andrew says he’s ~fixed. It is my understanding that the Tibialis raises are newer to his regimen and correlates with his improvement. I don’t understand why Dr. Stutterer seemingly dismisses this.
Great video thank you for setting things straight!
I agree with Brian but I think he is missing the point that Huberman has been training for years and years, and after he implemented tib work, and by proxy probably a lot of smaller muscles around the ankle, he has seen the benefit from that specific work. And I must be mistaken but Brian implied that muscles around the ankles don't affect your posture or other joints, which is a logical fallacy because we stand on our feet, if you have ankles that roll inwards for example, that may have a ripple effect up you entire body. The feet are our foundation, and the base of our skeletal structure, our body works as an entire unit, with every joint being important, especially ones that will affect many others like the ankles. That was a weird thing to hear from a doctor.
great video though, it's important to hear differing views.
Dude you should start doing the kind of content dr. Huberman does on neuro, but on sports medicine, the space really needs someone like that to guide it in the right direction by showing new relevant studies and challenging antique knowledge with a modern independent view.
Definitely do more videos like this
Does anyone ever try to reach out to Huberman directly to correct him? If so, does he respond?
100 percent he will invite anyone on that is an expert that claims he is wrong...As he did with Layne Norton..So expecting to see these two talking soon
Huberman has been very good about staying humble and admitting when he is wrong. Just because he has someone on his show also doesn't mean he is promoting everything they say.
This is an excellent and important video, not only for this particular example but to make sure people are aware that they should take authoritative sounding recommendations Huberman and others of his ilk make outside of their areas of expertise with a grain of salt. Also kudos for just stating the facts in a respectful way
Some strong criticism, but well done. My guess here is that he is doing Ben Patrick’s , Knees over toes guy program. The Tib raises is a part of it.
While Huberman's delivery is way off here, I think it is worth discussing where some of Hubermann's stuff comes from, the merits of it, and where some these trends stem from.
"Ben" referenced in the video is Ben Patrick... the Knees over Toes Guy. Ben probably wouldn't say tib raises would "grow your calves", but he probably would say that strengthening the muscles involved in triple flexion (tibs, hams, and hip flexors), unlock more strength/power in triple extension (at the knee, hip, and ankle) from a neurological standpoint. He also talks about the VMO a lot.
I personally as a trainer have seen a client with foot, knee, and back pain benefit from tib raises (along with 7 other activation movements and about 8 inhibition movements) as the anterior tib does help to invert/supinate the foot, remedying some pes planus (flat feet + knee valgus).
Violent plantar flexion at foot strike while running probably would cause knee pain, which could cause other complications from favoring that side. Strengthening the anterior tib could help control that foot strike.
Tib raises could promote a stretch/relaxation of the Achilles (especially when paired with the Achilles lengthening/strengthening moves that Patrick likes) which could have the cascading effect of helping to loosen and relax the entire posterior chain. This is what happened for me when I started to lengthen and strengthen my Achilles.
Completely agree that Huberman's tactics, conscious or not, are very damaging, but it is worth noting that these influencers like Patrick and Huberman -- who try to speak from experience and use their bodies as examples and experiments -- have come about because of a widespread lack of confidence and trust in medical/fitness professionals and this feeling that their practices are not grounded in real results and experiences, a valid concern.
If you want to work out your calf and anterior tibia muscle swim with fins for an hour at slightly elevated effort levels.
Judging by the cramps I got like an hour after training this works them out like crazy.
On an unrelated note; do you have any tips how I can get out of this hell cycle where my calf cramps up, I stretch it by pulling my feet towards me, the cramp relents but now this anterior tibia muscle cramps up so I stretch that by straightening my feet which cramps up my calf etc. pp. worst case was for about half an hour in both legs. (After an hour of fin training)
I’ve always thought the stuff this guy said sounded weird and unlikely but I’m not a Dr so I have no real authority to call him out but at least someone who knows can call him out on it
Need we more of this in todays world but it's important that it's respectful discourse and constructive
100% fan of your channel. Please don't fall prey to the temptation to start bullshitting once you're struggling for new topics to discuss.
Nice. Loved the objectivity and pointing out what works and what doesn't. "Know what they're experts in and know what they're not experts in. And if they're not experts in certain things, take what they say with a grain of salt" - EXACTLY. I watch Huberman for the 'palatable to my brain' style of sharing neuroscience :)