How Much Money Do I Really Make?
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2023
- Today we are back with a long-form Justin Hawkins Rides Again podcast, discussing the nuanced nature of the music industry. This time it's all about Music Publishing and how songwriters like myself actually make money. What does it all mean and what are the rules? I'm joined by my producer Jenny May Finn if you're wondering who my outfit twin is.
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If you're dying to hear The Age of Darkness, you can listen to it here on RUclips: ruclips.net/video/vwRYypQRYeo/видео.html
It might actually be the funniest song I've ever heard 🙂Genius!
You should definitely record for the next album a second part called The Age of Darkness II (as it was done with The Unforgiven, The Unforgiven II, The Unforgiven III)
It would be ace!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel like the Hawkins clan would really enjoy the big trebuchet at Warwick Castle
Strange coincidence that I’ve been listening to it for the last week or so. Even played it to my Mum yesterday & she loved it! The lyrics are absolutely brilliant!
Maybe on the day that Jenny didn’t correct Brian May on their “shared” last name the person noting the songwriters of this tune was in the area with them?
It's good to see Shaggy and Velma are still friends after all these years :D
Okay, that's funny. 😊 you get away with one haha
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One of the funniest comments ever!
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Honestly, how many other musicians would be so candid about all this (within reason obviously)- this will be such a help to new artists in not getting screwed over
Well done Justin 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
The Jenny Show is always better with Justin as a guest.
I love how Jenny asks Justin questions like a teacher trying to pull the answer out of a student that knows the answer, but is struggling to give all the details.
Bowie once said, you do not need a manager, you need the nest lawyer you can afford. If you have a good music lawyer, you will never need to know the percentages, because they will have tied that shit down for you.
Note, finding a good manager or lawyer is not easy, almost never use one recommended by the label, because guess where their loyalties are! Find your own and never sign any management or lawyer deal, until you can trust them with you wife, wallet and drugs!
I usually enjoy this attitude- but for some reason I find it kinda nd of annoying and off putting this go around
I’m pretty sure Jenny knows the answers as well as Justin does; he’s not the only artist she works for; but she’s asking the questions as though she didn’t for the viewers’ benefit.
it was rather annoying, and she needs to learn to speak clearly
@@CleoKawisha-sy5xt 🤢🤮🤮🤮⚠️
I love the vibe of jenny asking questions. Its like shes a teacher scolding a student to make sure they understood the material.
This one of the most entertaining things I've ever watched on RUclips. These two could absolutely easily have their own tv show. Fantastic banter
Immensely enjoyable episode. Had a little scroll through the comments section, and just gotta say... I will never understand why some people feel the need to leave mean, rude, and unconstructive comments. This content is free to consume, for one (and in this climate!) but it's also very sincere, entertaining, and SMART. There is a vast chasm of mindless drivel here on RUclips and I'm so friggin' glad this channel is nothing like that. I find the industry and technical side really fascinating, but it is the banter from both Justin and Jenny that I find myself looking forward to. Appreciate you!!
It makes them feel better about themselves unfortunately
Jesus. I'm already basically in love with Jenny but when she's dressed like Velma from Scooby Doo too 🤯🤯🤯
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You two are such a vibe together. More Jenny!
She's got such a Jewish face and attitude for an Irish bird.
Woah, 4% for your contribution to The Age of Darkness lyrics, a bonus track on the Japanese Motorheart album version. Well done, Miss Jenny May Finn.👏🏻
I really enjoy how you have curated your content and share w/the audience!
Love these long-form vids with Justin and Jenny on each one I've seen I have had many lol moments. Great channel Justin, keep up the awesomeness. And you too Jenny.
Woooo! Been looking for the 'Rufus' episode! I was so hoping you would interview the lovely Rufus! Thanks Jus!
I’ve been hoping to hear your thoughts on this very subject -and here it is! Thanks for sharing your publishing and licensing knowledge with us! ♥️🎶⚡️
I love when you and Jenny record your chitchats.
Thank you very much Justin and Jenny! I really appreciate you sharing this information!
YAY! Jenny is back! 🙂
Found this channel 2 weeks ago from a Viagra Boys song review and I'm absolutely loving the content! ♥️
Fantastico! Really interesting listen. I love how Justin doesn't really know (or really care) how it all works. Have Jenny on more often, she is great at asking questions.
This taught me that no matter how long you have been in the industry or how successful they still make hard to understand where the money goes and how it works.
The flow of the words is more than the rhyme. Love the discussion.
I love you Justin but Jenny's hair is off the charts - great job! I love this channel!
Great episode! As usual, we learn a lot of new interesting stuff in each of them.
Also the twin look of you both is histerical, don't know if it was by chance or you agreed to match the outfit, but it was hilarious!🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm going to get one of that JHRA:TJOV uniform and wear it every monday from now on (would you believe it?😂😂😂) 🦅🤓...
Lots of love J&J 🫶😊
Another fun watch as usual Justin and Jenny, as for known ''famous'' Colin, here in Canada we have Colin James who's a singer and guitar player who had hits in the 80's mostly, songs like Five Long Years, Voodoo Thing but especially Why'd You Lie was a big hit.
As always, these podcasts are the best part of the channel.
Also, Jenny looks even more gorgeous with glasses.
Mr. Hawkins, you surround yourself with brilliant, lovely people!
Hats off to you, Sir.
I agree she looks pretty with the glasses
Jenny May Finn is lovely, the type of lady you wish all the love and succsess in the world, nice one Justin, another great cast :)
awww! we love 'slanted' rhymes ... this was a great listen!
Brilliant stuff. Re the one hit wonder/PRS royalties - this goes back to simpler times, when a single would have a b side and hence, two published works.
This was lots of fun and pretty informative to watch! On the topic -I think about the mess that Badfinger's Pete Ham found himself in with Stan Polly. It's important that the rock music community is more open to discuss these sort of topics today, especially on forums like this! Much gratitude to you both for this episode.
That was tragic.😢
Hi Jenny! Niiiice Haircut ❤!
Love watchinf these pods. Cant wait to see you in Dublin in December
See you there!
This was amazing mate! Really informative!
Great vid , thoroughly enjoyable conversation. 👍
that was a fascinating chat, nice one
That was a really interesting and enjoyable chat. The dynamic duo lol. Jenny's not just your outfit twin...you guys look strikingly similar imo. Is it just me or does everyone else notice it too?🤩
In response to Justin and missing a rhyme - I genuinely think he's really talented at painting a picture with those lesser used words.. he expands my vocabulary
Man, she is great at this. Justin is just answering it as he knows it but she keeps following up with questions to get to an answer that doesn't' skip a step or removed the assumed knowledge. It's as if she wants to start writing and recording songs and needs to know what to do once the song is finished being written/recorded.
Hi Jenny and Justin 😊👍👍👍 great episode.😅😅 thanks
I agree with lots of the other conments, you both should do more vida together, brilliant chemistry
You are so funny!! I really ❤ your podcast. Thank you for your deep insights, your humor, and your music.
Back in about 1999/2000 or so I was working for an IT consultancy, we were invited to come in to talk with the PRS to see if we could help them with a problem they had. At that time all PRS royalty payments were derived from two sources - radio station administrators who were asked to fill out and return paper-based forms saying what they'd played (often they didn't do this at all, or it was sporadic) and in lieu of this data artists were paid out based on a one-off fairly-accurate-at-the time 'audit' of what people were listening to in one very specific week on 1986 on a set number of radio stations (including all of the BBC ones of the day). What this meant was that when these forms didn't come in they just paid based on the observed plays from this one week in the eighties - I saw the data, in particular both Sade and Phil Collins got a disproportionate amount of the royalties simply because they had hits that week. The project they wanted us to do was to put a small computer on the roof of a number of buildings, around the UK mostly, which had a number of radio tuners that could listen to what was being played and compare snippets of the songs heard to a series of 'fingerprints' of songs that they'd sample and reduce down to these 'fingerprints'. The technology worked, I saw it, but it didn't cost out - not at the time anyway - so we never 'bid' on the project. But one fascinating aspect of this was that in order to create these song 'fingerprints' they had to buy a single CD (it was that time) of every song that they wanted to track, they'd then 'rip' that CD and process the audio tracks down to gain these 'fingerprints' - a warehouse full! a big one too - hundreds of thousands of CDs in a warehouse (near Bedford if memory serves). I'm not sure if that's what happens now for people like Shazam, I imagine they get to create their 2020's-format 'fingerprints' from a digital copy, but they still need to do this, that's how that works. Anyway, thought some of you may enjoy :)
That part about the audit from 1986 is bananas. I almost want to say I don't believe it, but working in market research it sounds sadly plausible
@@niXity9000 I suppose in the absence of better data they had to work out some way of carving up the money, and people are lazy - also this was the PRS in the UK, not globally.
Thanks. I needed this video. As a writer and producer, I'm thinking of starting my own publishing company and recording company for my own music. It's not very straightforward but this video highlights things i would never of thought off. Thanks J & J
As a publishing A&R who shall remain nameless, I would advise you against it, at least on both sides. IF (and only IF) you and your music/compositions are attracting substantial interest from record labels and publishers (i.e. you have been offered at least 2-3 deals on each side), you could potentially consider only doing an admin deal so that you can turn it into your own PubCo/Record company further down the line. But please do not underestimate the opportunities that a proper publishing/label setup can provide and most definitely appoint an experienced manager and lawyer to guide you through this process. The world is full of songwriters and artists who worry too early about "the industry robbing them" before they have come up with anything worth stealing. As a rule of thumb, just try to get as much help as possible so you can improve and grow your audience while minimising your contractual commitments. The better you are, the more leverage you will have. Good luck!
The love is undeniable here !!!
She's so cute. And fun to hear your conversations. Thanks for all the great episodes Justin.
The sidestep to royalties earned by Justin when he’s cryogenically frozen had me hooked!.
Loved this episode! Really interesting subject.
1:15 “There weren’t too many tangential meanderings”… good job we can’t get enough of your tangential meanderings otherwise one might think you were being less than truthful there! 😂😂😂
Can’t wait for next week’s episode!!! 🥁🤩😁💖
That would be a great band name ..
Loving the new hair Jenny!!
Really enjoy the Justin & Jenny vids, can't wait to catch The Darkness in Dublin in Dec 👨🎤🎸🚀
Absolutely love that you knew about Danny Taurus brilliant also Colin Hay from Men at Work has an amazing solo career as well great singer /songwriter ps so happy to have discovered your show recently regards from New Jersey
Very enjoyable conversation 🙏
Omg Jenny is so gorgeous and 100% the reason why I watch these podcasts!
Publishing a video about publishing... pubception. Morning Justin and Jenny!
love yalls friendship
I see the smouldering buh,like a Spanish candle quivering before a duel..amongst a soundscape of a sunset ..have a go at innuendo for a queen fan..lol
I finally have watched it complete. I think i have told it you before but i love this subject about songs' creation.
I agree with you about lyrics be 50% in a good song, but melody is very important. You must imagine that most of not English language speaker have got close to the music created in this language firstly by melody.
Most of us needed to read the lyrics inside the cd to understand better the song. I still do, as i am the worse speaking English 😅
But when i listen music in my own language the lyric is to me the most important.
The story about The age of the Darkness song is wonderful! And Dan singing, that's a bomb. I love the song, and please Jenny, let me now what is exactily your verse!
The good thing of watching the episode by parts is that i always get a surprise. I can't believe that none did the spoiler but....
Rufus Tiger Taylor is in the next episode!!!! ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥👏👏👏👏😵
You made my day Justin! Because like Shakira's says in her song: "I am crazy by the Tiger" 😂
Really loved this! Would love to hear an episode about your co-writing adventures 😊
great matching shirts, and also a great show.
Glad you talked about PTL vinyl reissue cause I just pre-ordered mine.
Justin... buy our Jennylove some lighting because those ring lights are terrible ... fantastic once again!!! love you both xx
The cryogenic bit has me. In tears... Picturing a return of Justin as an Austin Powers type character. Needs to be a music video.
From justin to Justin i got a rhyme..." It must be fated that i hated buying for time cuz crazy baby is just filler not a rhym." Great show as always love the long content cheers
Fascinating discussion thanks 👍
i offically fancy jenny
I know how you feel 😅
Jenny rocking the Korn sponsored ADIDAS (and she definitely IS, which kinda explains the mood 😇)😁
On holidays and only watched this now. Thoroughly entertained. I’ve often wondered whether drummers, bass players should get a cut of songwriting even if they didn’t write the song but they wrote their bits which brought the song to life. I’ve read that Queen were a lot happier and tight knit once they stopped fighting for ‘their’ song to get on an album and decided to split songs 4 ways regardless of who wrote most of it. No right or wrong approach, it’s just what everyone agrees to.
Im gonna listen to age of darkness a few thousand times just to give Jenny some royalties.
Hope Jenny gets a good revenue share from this video. She was the main reason I keept watching so cool
Both such charming people! such a pleasure to watch
Loving the slightly shorter hair do! Great episode to boot.
This is such a lovely podcast lol
Can’t wait to listen tonight. Looking good in those Michael Caine specs. ❤
I thought it was The Two Ronnie’s for a moment
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She's so cool wish we had more like her in the states Justin is a brilliant musician with a rock and roll heart
This was an enlightening discussion.
Thanks!
Thanks Justin. Thanks Jenny
My experience with stopping smoking was I started vaping and I noticed that when I went onto a lower dose of nicotine I didn't miss it. So, slowly I went down to zero nicotine, but I was still addicted to the action. However, I started doing the Wim Hoff breathing exercises and that changed my breathing, as I had gotten used to my diaphragm being in stress mode the Wim Hoff breathing exercise was a dramatic game changer. I stopped vaping 14 months ago and it's wonderful to be free of it. I hope that helps. Also, thanks for opening up about your own addictions, as I believe those kind of talks help everyone.
One day Jenny and I will high five. I think so highly of her. You both are incredible. Will we get more of you and Pat Finnerty?
I’ve decided it’s entirely possible that I’m in love with Jenny 🥰
If all of the podcasts were just Jenny and Justin shootin' the breeze with each other, I'd totally subscribe. You're funny buggers!!
Nice one guys
Keep Maleficent Jenny, it's a great word!
Justin looks really healthy and joyful. Thanks for the information
Traditionally melody & lyrics are the song: but it comes down to agreement eg. Production sometimes count as royalties. Whatever is agreed. Or a greed 😮
Brill episode. Love Jenny & the banter ❤
She had me at "Yeah, I saw the smolder. Thanks." 😆
Love you both and your show!
Just wanted to clarify about the Stones/Verve Bittersweet Symphony case as I see a lot of confusion on the web about it. What actually happened was, Ashcroft received permission to use a sample of the Aranbee Symphony (R&B, get it?) version of The Last Time for a fee to be paid to the publishers, Abcko Records. This is Allen Klein's company that controls all of the Stones music before 1971.
Sadly, Ashcroft then used a sample that was longer (not sure exactly, but let's say they contracted for 5 seconds and he used 7 seconds) than agreed to. It became a huge hit, somebody figured out the discrepancy and Klein threatened to take Ashcroft to court if he didn't give up all the publishing. Sleazy on Klein's part, but a bonehead move on Ashcroft's part. Nothing at all to do with plagiarism. Mick n Keef gave their part to Ashcroft a few years ago. Cheers!
IMO lyrics add to the melody. apart from the lyrics that strand out :) Melody is king !!!! great video btw , great chemistry between the 2 of you.... enjoyed it a lot !!!! :)
This was fascinating plus Jenny has Velma from Scooby Doo energy. Which I have all the time in the world for.
Great show! Great chemistry!
Haha, I remember posting my demo’s to myself. That was a blast from the past, cheers Justin for that and the channel.
Thanks for watching!
still a smart thing to do until you are members of PRS in the UK or the equivalent org for where you live.
Get everyone to sign what there part was, then post everyone sealed copies registered, that envelope should never get opened until you are in a dispute and the lawyers on both sides are in the room.
You just need a government stamp on your paper. You don't need to post it. Gov stamp from the post office with a date is the same thing.
Lovely old job. Once a Morlings man, always a Morlings man. Your Lowestoft brethren, in Gods own county, salute you. The Journal would be proud
See you on the ice x
GORGEOUS. Both of em.
Colin...Colin Blunstone from The Zombies! Great vocalist and great band! Greetings from Finland o/
Thanks for a really interesting explanation of how songwriters are paid.
One of my favorite lyrics doesnt have any rhyme. "They'll tell you all about guilt
And in time you'll face the darkness
But darkness is a friend to you
Embrace and fly through the madness
Flying past God, and wars and conflict
Oppression in you
Oppression in you
Plowing through minds and paranoia
Oppression in you
The oppressor's in you"
So I was drinking a large icy glass of juice when Jenimae put the clip of Dan singing on that Japanese album. Needless to say,😂I laughed so hard I blew my juice out my nose. I’m not kidding that really just happened!
Answering the questions I always wanted to know the answers to but had nobody to ask 😀
56:01 🥱 someone needs a nap... (LMFAO your face, Jenny, while Justin yawns🤣🤣🤣🤣)
Edit: 1:13:34 😂😂😂😂
'ROCK IN SPACE' Still the greatest song by the Darkness! and only a bonus!!
Looking forward to the new Darkness song 'Sometimes I feel stuff, sometimes I don't', featuring additional lyrics from 'May'😆
colin hay...MAGGIE live on e town....brilliant....thank you both for the entertainment...cheers
Really interesting Justin! I'm a trailer music composer myself and im looking into composing for film and TV. The world of musical rights is a minefield depending on the area of industry you are working in. For trailer music specifically, you write the track, you send it to the publisher, they register your track including your PRS number and you get paid whatever percentage the publishing contract states when its used. It's really difficult however because you only get paid when your tracks get used on something. Otherwise it sits in their catalogue until someone wants it and you cant use it yourself. This can be weeks, months or years. So if you can write music as part of a product and not the advertising, it's much better for the artist.
@DS-xf8yr is super tricky ain't it dude! I think it's better to get your name out there and create some demand. That's the massive issue with music for advertising, you never get a mention and nobody knows you've done a great job on a piece. Myself and a buddy started a RUclips channel recently and we've been doing some WH40k inspired tracks. Hoping to use some stuff as a showreel so we can start getting some consistent work. Like you said library stuff pays great if you get the placements, but otherwise it's so hit and miss.
@DS-xf8yr How did you get into making library music if you don't mind me asking?
How do you guys feel about the possibility of AI generated music being used for film/tv/ad composing? Is it a legitimate threat to human composers?
@mbg4041 hell yeah it's scary for sure. But just like every industry really. There is various djent AI making thousands of procedurally generated tracks and a lot of it is pretty impressive groove wise. As for big projects and things though, it takes a lot of thought to put together something that has considerable depth and human emotion. I think for at least the next 100 years or so we will be safe for things like film and TV as it will be used more as a tool to take short cuts here and there. The human brain is superior when it comes to relating nuances in emotional triggers and structures between sight and sound. But yeah it is a good question mate. Who really knows what will happen 🤔
@@whatasaverl6456 thanks for response mate! I’m really interested in hearing from artists about the development of AI music and how it will potentially impact people. Whilst I truly appreciate the depth and nuanced emotion a person can put into a piece of music, I don’t have much hope that the general public notice or care that much. I hope I’m wrong because if music created by people is not valued then music will suffer