So in case no one is keeping score, The MCU has four Uber-powerful beings that can solve every issue. Captain Marvel, who can reignite suns if the plot calls for it, among other things, Emilia Clarke’s Super Skrull/Super Adaptoid, who has the powers of every Marvel super powered being, She-Hulk, who can punch through reality and ask the producers to change things around to suit her whims with the power of Karen, and Wiccan, who can time travel and create whole worlds. Robert Doom-y Jr will have his ass handed to him minutes after the Avengers title card.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 same reason they mention mephisto. The writers read fan comments and see which names are popular online. Then they bait and switch. Every time.
@@millsfinancialgroup I read an interview with the director who said she is not a fan of Mephisto and can't understand why people like him, so there was never an intention by her to put him in the story even though they name dropped him for apparently no reason. Which is annoying. If it were me, I would have made Mephisto the father of Nicholas Scratch,who disguised himself as a human and wood Agatha for the sole purpose on creating a hybrid offspring of a witch and a demon so he could raise him as a powerful warlock in his realm later. That's why Nicholas would be sick and why Agatha doesn't want to see him out of shame since she used him for selfish purposes later as shown. And that's why Nicholas as an adult hates Agatha (as in the comics). In the comics, Nicholas even created the Salem Seven. But nope we had to due muh lesbianism with Death which makes NO sense considering as soon as Agatha touched her she died so how did that work in the past? 🤔🤌
@@big_red01027 All that poor woman wanted to do was drink wine. But nooo...no the witches had to be greedy/self absorbed and drag that poor woman into a mess she never asked to be part of.
Now her death makes even less sense. If Agatha knew that the Witch's Road was bs and was only using it to lure in entire covens so she can kill them and drain them of their magic, then why grab a random woman who has NO magic?
I love how you have the MCU stans creaming all over that episode with the witch living her life out of order...but then you realise that "Agents of shield" already did that almost 7 years ago and they did it better, with way more emotional weight behind it.
No. Hollywood at large and the left think being gay means you’re practically trans. Couldn’t possibly be a regular man or woman who likes the same sex. All gay men are super effeminate and all gay women are bull-d***s
@@S4ns Disney doesn’t want Will from Will & Grace or Jody Davis from Soap, which are characters who are characters first and just happen to be gay. They like their cartoonish and sometimes hurtful stereotypes. Just look how they dress up Miles Morales Spider-Man costume with a hoodie and gym shoes. Because all black people wear those. 🙄
Born again is going to suck as well. She-Hulk told me all I needed to know about how much the writers care about Daredevil. Hell ECHO shows how much the writers care about King Pin as well. I'm sure we'll probably get a future 🐂💩 show for Skarr too; without ANY explanation WHATSOEVER on how he came to be or what he was doing as a cameo on She-Hulk to begin with, so I look forward to you tearing that apart as well; if indeed my prediction is correct.😉 Great video as always!👍
Thanks for suffering and exposing the show yet being honest about it. It saved me the time of waiting for the Seven to be cool or anything else I love from the comics to not show up.
16:58 Old Scratch is a traditional name for the Devil , the consort of witches, and he appears with that name in Marvel comics. that witch is wrong all along for having that baby.
@@Thed538dhsk also Agatha's son's name is Nick Scratch.... yeah... for tHAT reason. In the comics she DID trade him for power, but he didn't DIE, he was raised to be an evil warlock... and is the father of the Salem Seven.... yes ALL seven. Speaking of which... after the rug-pull, it's entirely possible we never saw the REAL Salem Seven, and thus they didn't actually die. I thought it was odd that they had such generic bad guy boring designs, but.. they're literally not written as characters, and more a moving hazard. That makes sense if they're a figment of Billy's imagination.
@@toddholland7511 This is what I don’t understand. That mythical “modern audience” they’re pursuing won’t give a toss about such minutiae, and the people who are that “inside baseball” when it comes to Marvel trivia are pushed away and derided as ists and phobes and basement dwelling neckbeards. So who are these shows made for??
@@FULANODETAL They had already stopped considering AOS canon by then. Also Johnny Blaze was in the show, but only for two seconds in Robby's backstory flashback.
Scratch could be a name for Mephisto, making Nicholaus a half devil. Is Agatha old as a ghost? That’s a callback to an arc in comics. It could have been much worse. They wanted Hulkling originally as a love interest of Wiccan but Marvel said no. Thank god. The series had a few interesting points for the MCU but it wasn’t worth watching. Thanks for watching, heh.
Which is weird since Hulkling and Wiccan are married in the comics. Not to mention, it would score easy ESG points for having a gay couple in their show.
@@carljensen333 Jac Schaffer knows fuck all and doesn’t care about Mephisto. She just wanted to do her wine mom buddy dramedy and needed the Marvel brand to get it made.
Agatha was practicing Dark Magic and sucking other witches' power long before Nicky was born. In wandavision she killed the salemites and who knows how many more witches she killed before Nicky.
@@budgiecat9039she doesn't show up every time someone dies in the comics and characters return from death all the time in the comics. When Steve Rogers or Tony died she didn't appear
@@alexanderfletcher3375more because witches and death go together thematically. Thanos in the MCU is technically an alien and more part of the guardians side rather than the mystical side like witches, death, potions, etc.
You can have an unlikeable morally bankrupt character and still like them. Too bad that's not what happened here. Agatha is a morally reprehensible evil murderer and not in an entertaining way.
After this maybe gonna watch some sandokan and slugterra, good stories with actually likable characters that not make someone wanna tear their own hair out! Honestly hope some joining.
I wonder why, if Agatha's intention in gathering a coven was to steal their powers by means of the Witch's Road hoax, then why have Diverse Witch #4 or Kitty Forman in the coven if neither had powers? I guess the no-prize explanation is that Agatha didn't care and was just going to kill them along with the others. Maybe Kitty Forman was just a placeholder to convince the other witches that the Witch's Road was legitimate, and I guess Diverse Witch #4 sort of had powers anyway, despite being bound.
@EvanBerry. "Maybe Kitty Forman was just a placeholder to convince the other witches that the Witch's Road was legitimate" Basically this. The revelation in the end was basically sort of ironic that it insults the intelligence of woman/witches....its shown that throughout the ages, Agatha has been able to mock and kill 4-5 witches at once every time she did the witches road scam with just some insults, who show no restraint and just blast Agatha, and that even the modern day witches were so gullible, she could convince them a human with a slight motif of one of the 'qualifying witches' was enough to make the ceremony work. And that's proven correct when she brings Kitty Forman, and the witches actually believe Agatha that she qualifies and they start singing. Basically, the whole plot falls apart if literally anyone has higher then a lukewarm IQ. As for her reasoning, her choices was basically 1) to flee immediately without magic from the Salem Seven, or 2) see the combined might of the magic she steals from the witches, plus the unknown power of 'Teen' who could undo a Scarlet Witch spell on her, could allow her to fight off the Salem Seven enough to allow her to escape WITH magic. The first option was likely a race guaranteed to lose, and the second one relied on witches being as trigger happy as they were in the past. Although I likely put more thought into the second one then the actual writers did. Many of these witches were cursed or depowered or knew she could absorb magic directly. Sylvie would of just warned Alice not to blast her, and Agatha would get no powers. She just did the witches road so the plot could happen, where a 3rd option opens up via Billy's fake Witch's Road. At that point, Agatha was just playing it by ear.
Well, Wiccan did stuff without knowing how to do it, so that's a plus, but also a double edge sword because that leads him to be a walking Deux Ex Machina, every time they get cornered he could just solve the plot and not knowing how he did it. Yeah, that's an issue 🤔🤔. I don't think Lillia's plot was pull out from her ass, we got glimpses from her plot in previous episodes, she "time travel" but not in the traditional way, it was more like Everything Everywhere All at Once, but instead of "possesing" her alternate self, she was "possesing" her younger and older self just to see not to control, that's why she said random stuff, because she wasn't in control. Agatha being awful makes her a terrible main character, she is not complex enough to fill the role, they tried to make her more complex, but she end up more awful and one dimensional than before, hell, the idea of her getting power to revive her son not only could be a better idea, but also would make more sense because in Wandavision she was intrigued of the possibility of Wanda resurrecting dead people. But well, the show is not bad, but is full of flaws, too many plot holes, too many inconscistencies, too many plots that are irrelevant, we didn't even got answers to important questions. How Agatha got her unique set of powers? How she got the Dark Hold? What was the bid deal with the Salem Seven at the end? I could only theorize that she got her OP absorbing magic powers in her execution because Lady Death save her by giving her that power and she should've died that day, that's why Lady Death was after Agatha, but that's my theory. Again, the show is not awful, at least it's not She Hulk, but it's not the best thing ever, it's meh. I didn't hated it at least.
@MaxEdrox We know they can shape shift into animals. We don't know what makes them so dangerous other than them being creepy witches set on revenge who behave animalistic. The difference with the Salem 7 vs another coven is they are feral vs other covens are just a group of somewhat like-minded witches who team up. The Salem 7 are animalistic and rabid. Other covens are human-like and can be reasoned with or convinced to not maul Agatha like beasts I guess. Agatha can't reason with or manipulate the Salem 7 unlike other witches she can convince to spare her.
The castle isn't because its Disney. Its because Lilia HATES stereotypes, its her trial is just to annoy her. And all the dresses mean something about the person wearing them.
No Lilia isn't quantum leaping. She's seeing visions of the future, she is a psychic. She just experienced them in a fuge state aka doesn't remember them much. It's not time travel, just seeing the future.
Wiccan was dressed as maleficent because like maleficent he wanted to be party of the coven but was treated as an outsider, a familiar. There is a reason for it. You can like the reason or not, that's your choice. But the reason exists nevertheless. Maleficent only put the curse on sleeping beauty because she wasn't invited to the kings party, she was treated as an outsider. Billy didn't think he was part of the coven, just Agatha's sidekick. But then roles are reversed when Agatha in the last EP is revealed to be Billy's sidekick or spirit guide
If Disney really, really wanted to make Wandavision (I wouldn't have) and cast Agatha as the antagonist, then make a spin-off series about her (again, I wouldn't), then here's how I would've done it: Agatha is broken out of her "Agnes" trance by a runaway fledgling wizard named Billy Kaplan, who tells her that he suddenly woke up one day with a strange text seemingly tattooed on his arm and that his magic directed him towards her. As it turns out, it is actually a page from the Grimorium Verum, the Darkhold's "sister" and a tome powerful enough to open a gateway to the Nether and summon the demon Mephisto. They soon find themselves being hunted down by the Salem Seven, a septet of powerful magic users who are also Agatha's grandchildren. They work for Nicholas Scratch, Agatha's son, who is a warlock and the mayor of New Salem, a hidden town of spell-casters that has spent the last few centuries hiding from the rest of the world. As we later discover, Agatha left New Salem years ago in search of the Darkhold and her journey led to her committing many atrocities. Scratch, who in this version is an almost Magneto-like figure, believes that his mother's quest for the book has endangered the inhabitants of New Salem, not just because of what she's done but also because it was partially her magic that was keeping the town's illusionary barrier up and without her, it keeps malfunctioning and leading to more and more people on the outside discovering New Salem's existence. Agatha and Billy discover that other young magic users have been imprinted with pages of the Grimorium Verum and decide to track them down before the Seven finds them first. The others include Jennifer Kale, Sebastian Ludgate, Jericho Drumm, and Amanda Sefton.
So... in the comics, Thanos kills the whole universe in an attempt to woo Death. I guess only snapping half got him ignored. But also, didn't he curse Deadpool to never die so he could never be with Death? Again, I feel this rendition of Death would ignore DP.
Honestly, I'm not really sure. It wasn't explained, just implied. I THINK Agatha was killing witches to keep her son alive, but if that was the deal, it was made silently.
15:33 Did he look in the mirror and see all the people who traveled on the road with him in the reflection and then they were there in the room with him and they danced while a David Bowie song played?
The whole out-of-sequence time jumping plotpoint is a straight up rip-off of that very same plotpoint that was used in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 5. And before you ask, yes, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. did it better. Not surprising
Additionally, in the last episode Agatha tricks, and kills several witches, some of which are black, even worse because those black witches would be alive during slavery, which means at some point most of them or slaves, which are subjected to horrible things like rape and torture.
Mistress Death, the “sister” of Galactus and Eternity, three of the most powerful entities in existence below the Living Tribunal, is supposed to be in a love triangle with Deadpool and Thanos. What is all of this?
22:48 "(Lady Death) can do better." Hells yeah! In the comics, she had Thanos, the Mad Titan, following her around like a puppy dog... but did she APPRECIATE him? Nooooo... It's like Lady Death was Jerry Hall and she dumped Rupert Murdoch (Thanos) to go back to Bryan Ferry (Agatha)! The woman has no taste! Death of the Endless is so much a better representation of... death than Lady Death.
Lilia put the sigil on Billy because Wanda or death would've been after him the moment he possessed Kaplan's body. Lilia gave him time to get his bearings and find out who he is before meeting death or wanda
@@thoriasunlimited4053 How can we be sure if that, he didn't even know who he was? Death could've easily told him to come with her and he wouldn't have known better after his car accident. He couldn't read Rio's mind during this series or Agatha's. He was frightened, confused, and vulnerable to have listened to Rio after the car accident.
@@MamaMOB Depends, from a certain point of view. You could view it as: Option A: Lilia co-conspired in Billy controlling William Kaplan's deceased body and taking over his life Or Option B: Lilia basically was a mid-wife and mother like figure who helped Billy be reborn and enjoy having time to grow up gaining a 2nd life. Billy and William were both SUPPOSED to die. Or Wanda was SUPPOSED to have gotten Billy after the events of Wandavision. Lilia prevented Wanda AND Death from noticing him and allowed him time to avoid both of them until he learned more about himself.
@thoriasunlimited4053 Unfortunately no because they make 2hr podcast episodes pretty much every day and since they're so frequent it's hard to pinpoint the exact episode. But it was when they were either reviewing Joker 2 or Agatha, Brett said that he really liked your channel, your personality and watching your reviews and for everyone to go check you out. I thought it was pretty cool lol
Even as fan of redemption arcs I cannot see Agatha as anything but a evil being. I mean I now love Negan (TWD) the man who killed brutally two of my favorite characters Abraham and Glenn. Yet they did such a good job showing this man going from a narcissistic dictator of the Saviors to a redeemed man trying to move on with what was left to live for, Agatha being redeemed is like Alpha being redeemed. Oh sure she cut heads off of people still alive, tortured others, murdered her own husband, tormented Carol especially, but... she LOVED her daughter Lydia. 🙄 Also, Lady Death needs to get with Deadpool already. She wouldnbe treated so much better by Wade Wilson. Let Gagatha rot in the darkness she craves. Also, while I didn't hate Wiccan, the actor needs to work out more before I truly see him in that role. R.I.P Kitty Foreman hopefully Red Foreman will stick his foot up Agatha's ass in revenge.
Im attracted to Kathryn Hahn and Aubrey Plaza, but I have no interest in watching this show, and that's weird because I watched Wandavision just for Elizabeth Olsen
I don't get what they were trying to do with this show and agatha.Agatha in this show is a combination of her main Marvel comic universe elderly self, and her late 20s early thirties alternate timeline self from the comics
Oh this was it already? Well.i cant say that i expect much from mcu. Atleast DC has some great animated series i can now watch from HBO Max..Justice League action was pretty fun
@@toddholland7511 Truth be told, Thanos’ motivations made a lot more sense than the “simpimg for Death” reason in the comics. Thank goodness the Infinity Saga wasn’t produced nowadays or you would have gotten your wish and have Thanos be a cuck for Death.
Agatha is such a terrible and irredeemable character that I couldn't get behind her at all. She's literally a serial killer that shows no remorse for her actions and yet we're still supossed to feel sympathy for her? I like Death and Wiccan though but ultimately this show was yet another MCU disappointment.
The entire show is so pointless. In future if Agatha showed up in anything they could've just mentioned how she got her powers back.. It was more about Wiccan than Agatha.
I'm pretty sure the "you saved one!" Comment was about tommy, not kale. And yeah, wiccan is one of the strongest characters in all of marvel (stronger than both his parents). Doing him, like his mother, is always going to be a catch 22 between making him comics accurately OP and being easy to write. It's a real superman problem in that all struggles have to be something internal like moral, emotional, and psychological - as you can't rely on external clashes alone.
Salem 7 arent villians tbh thats why there is no focus on them. Their whole appeal is visual, something weird. More so Agatha's past catching up with her. The tower didn't reverse, Lilia reversed it to kill them because hey if she's gonna die why not just take them out with her.
So a really shitty show gets slightly less shitty by the end, not gonna really win anybody over with that Marvel ... the MCU and its vestigial TV sidekick shows are as good as dead, and it didn't even require Lady Death for that to happen 😅
4:09 they did not “pull a plot point out of their ass” the plot point about her seeing her life out of order is genuinely one of the best bits of writing in the entire show because it is set up all the way from episode 2 with the dementia moments. You can’t say that they didn’t set it up when the entire episode is pointing out how this plot point was set up throughout the entire series. 5:15 that’s because it isn’t time travel her consciousness is travelling back into her previous body there is no time travel and nothing is changing whatsoever.
@@James_Beewell it’s not full time travel because she only ever goes back for a few seconds and she can’t change anything because what she did then she always did because it was always her mind in the body at that moment. So his point of time travel is illogical since it doesn’t act like time travel and doesn’t allow for the alteration of the future
Agatha was just unlikable and that’s a huge problem. Like not in a charming way or well-written way. Take Walter White. He’s egotistical, he’s manipulative, a liar. But we like him because the performance is done well and the writing is too. Either Kathryn Hahn just isn’t that good, or the writing wasn’t that good.
Ding on both counts. Katheryn Hahn doesn’t have a tenth of the talent Bryan Cranston has, able to handle comedy and drama (his Hal is still one of the best tv dads) that’s ever been.
@fishjones4618 Okay but is it just a matter of having the talent to pull off the performance? I guess what I'm asking is it an acting problem or writing problem? Is it because Hahn isn't as good an actor enough to do the performance OR is it a problem from the writers?
@@Thed538dhsk Both. Look at people like Billy Zane. He played a relatively bit part in a terrible show called Charmed, but he added inflections and gestures to give life to a terrible script. A good actor can't save terrible writing, but he can make a moderately memorable character in an otherwise terrible show. Likewise, a bad actor can kill good writing. Hahn doesn't have the chops and the writing is godawful.
@WhiteManOnCampus What could she do better in her performance to have made the character of Agatha be better? What do you feel the writers could've done to make the character of Agatha be better written?
Why do you call the non whte witches "diverse"? You think only whte people can be witches? The concept of witchcraft has existed in Africa since the beginning of human history lol! Were they rce swapped? You come across funny here.
To be honest, I'll watch you for honest reactions. I click on others to watch the rage reviews for entertainment. When I see you rage, I know it's a horrible show 🤣
I liked the show but the whole preaching the importance of Covens /sisterhoods felt counter productive. I liked the other witches but I think the show would’ve worked better with just Agatha and Wiccan
What are you talking about? The last episode clearly shows Agatha thinks nothing of covens/sisterhoods. How did you take that message from the show? I guess the other witches learn that but this "sisterhood" is what helped them almost all die? How would this show work if it were only Agatha and Teen tho? Would ep 2 just be them conjuring the road themselves with none of the other witches? Then there wouldn't be any stakes because nothing could kill them but with the other witches each trail has stakes since witches die from the trials. It'd be like Halloween with none of Laurie's friends being killed by Meyers, the film is ONLY Mike Meyers and Laurie Strode
@ That’s what I meant, this show kept having a subplot about the importance of covens but it was all for nothing. And what I meant was maybe the show should’ve just been about Agatha & Wiccan with a different plot instead of the witches road. I did like all of the actresses on this show but again if their whole point was that coven plot it does almost make everything they went through feel pointless whereas the stuff with Agatha & Billy at least felt like it had a somewhat satisfying conclusion
@patrickmcguire7896 I wouldn't say the coven subplot is ALL for nothing. It does serve the purpose of paralleling Wiccan to Agatha. As he says in the last EP, he tends to kill his coven mates just like Agatha does. The difference between them is he feels bad and didn't do it on purpose whereas Agatha has. What plot do you feel would service the character Agatha and Wiccan better? Or even service the other witches better too?
I'm fine with agatha not being a good person she's not supposed to be it's just the bad story that bothers me were supposed to be following a villain and not a redemption tell or a heroic one as for the scratch thing that was her saying the father was the demon
Telling a story about a villain would be one thing - hell, The Penguin made it work - but if that's the case, you need to own it. The writers seem to want Agatha to be kind of the hero of this story and they apparently don't understand how hateable she is.
I really enjoyed the show most of the time, despite of much of the stupidity in it that you mentioned. As someone who's really into witchcraft and the esoteric things in general, it was a fun ride. Really hope to see Deadpool and Lady Death together.
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So in case no one is keeping score, The MCU has four Uber-powerful beings that can solve every issue. Captain Marvel, who can reignite suns if the plot calls for it, among other things, Emilia Clarke’s Super Skrull/Super Adaptoid, who has the powers of every Marvel super powered being, She-Hulk, who can punch through reality and ask the producers to change things around to suit her whims with the power of Karen, and Wiccan, who can time travel and create whole worlds. Robert Doom-y Jr will have his ass handed to him minutes after the Avengers title card.
@@fishjones4618 😂
yes after ENDGAME marvel add a lot of OVERPOWERED guys who did nothing to stop THANOS
I’ll bet money we never see Agatha, Wiccan or Death again. I’d be surprised if we see Captain woman or she-suck ever again.
Pretty much, yeah. You kind of need them to NOT appear in the movie just so Doom can look like a real threat.
Why bring Lady Death out after Infinity War? Same reason they brought out Adam Warlock after Infinity War. And it’s not a good reason.
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 same reason they mention mephisto. The writers read fan comments and see which names are popular online. Then they bait and switch. Every time.
@ Because they know that random people working 9-5s are far better writers with much better ideas than the people Disney employs
@@millsfinancialgroup
I read an interview with the director who said she is not a fan of Mephisto and can't understand why people like him, so there was never an intention by her to put him in the story even though they name dropped him for apparently no reason.
Which is annoying.
If it were me, I would have made Mephisto the father of Nicholas Scratch,who disguised himself as a human and wood Agatha for the sole purpose on creating a hybrid offspring of a witch and a demon so he could raise him as a powerful warlock in his realm later.
That's why Nicholas would be sick and why Agatha doesn't want to see him out of shame since she used him for selfish purposes later as shown.
And that's why Nicholas as an adult hates Agatha (as in the comics).
In the comics, Nicholas even created the Salem Seven.
But nope we had to due muh lesbianism with Death which makes NO sense considering as soon as Agatha touched her she died so how did that work in the past? 🤔🤌
it's Death. Lady Death is a different independent comic owned by Brian Pulido. She's got massive boobs and was a major hit in the 90s.
@@millsfinancialgroup they've literally been doing that since Iron Man in 2008.
RIP Kitty Foreman - you did not deserve your fate.
The only character in this slop worthy of sympathy.
@@big_red01027 All that poor woman wanted to do was drink wine. But nooo...no the witches had to be greedy/self absorbed and drag that poor woman into a mess she never asked to be part of.
Now her death makes even less sense. If Agatha knew that the Witch's Road was bs and was only using it to lure in entire covens so she can kill them and drain them of their magic, then why grab a random woman who has NO magic?
I love how you have the MCU stans creaming all over that episode with the witch living her life out of order...but then you realise that "Agents of shield" already did that almost 7 years ago and they did it better, with way more emotional weight behind it.
Does Disney know that most gay people don't crossdress?
No. Because all the out and loud gay people in Hollywood do.
No. Hollywood at large and the left think being gay means you’re practically trans. Couldn’t possibly be a regular man or woman who likes the same sex. All gay men are super effeminate and all gay women are bull-d***s
I am floored that Disney acknowledges anything other than heterosexual exists.
@@S4ns Disney doesn’t want Will from Will & Grace or Jody Davis from Soap, which are characters who are characters first and just happen to be gay. They like their cartoonish and sometimes hurtful stereotypes. Just look how they dress up Miles Morales Spider-Man costume with a hoodie and gym shoes. Because all black people wear those. 🙄
It's supposed to be Mistress Death, LADY DEATH, trust me, that's someone you'd remember.
TRUE THAT ❤❤❤❤
Lady Death is a Tod McFarland character and has a new book coming out soon. There's an animated Lady Death movie that's free on YT.
Omg RUclips finally recommended a video of yours. It hasn’t happened since batgirl.
batwoman*
I stopped watching marvel after she-hulk and I can tell I made the right choice.
I stopped after Falcon and the Winter Soldier
You and me both. She-Hulk was the straw for me.
Don't you wish you'd stopped before she-hulk?
I stopped after Avengers End Game
Yet here you are. "you could not live with your own failures, so it brought you back to me"3-some variant of Thanos probably
Being an entertainment reviewer nowadays means you'll mostly be wading through sewage.
Sooo a plumber? Thorias and Mario are similar in that sense I guess. He just needs his own Luigi or an invincible star
I love it.
@@Thed538dhsk plumbers fix sewage leaks though
@budgiecat9039 not necessarily, that's house plumbers. Industrial plumbers focus on the pre-leaks mostly
@Thed538dhsk well both fix things. Reviewers can't fix Hollywood
can't wait for your marvel reviews next year with Daredevil Born Again, Iron Heart and Wonder Man coming up
Iron Heart and Wonder Man are DOA
Born again is going to suck as well. She-Hulk told me all I needed to know about how much the writers care about Daredevil. Hell ECHO shows how much the writers care about King Pin as well. I'm sure we'll probably get a future 🐂💩 show for Skarr too; without ANY explanation WHATSOEVER on how he came to be or what he was doing as a cameo on She-Hulk to begin with, so I look forward to you tearing that apart as well; if indeed my prediction is correct.😉 Great video as always!👍
Agatha is a TV Marvel Show of a time.
Thanks!
Thank you!
...So Deadpool is in the MCU...
...Lady Death is now in the MCU...
Comic accurate relationship?...
Deadpool is not in the MCU.
Or is he?...😅
Probably not, since this version of Lady Death is apparently a lesbian and in love with Agatha Harkness
On the upside, you're done with this show. Thanks for taking a bullet for us on watching this show.
Thanks for suffering and exposing the show yet being honest about it. It saved me the time of waiting for the Seven to be cool or anything else I love from the comics to not show up.
Your martyrdom, ie watching this shit for us, will never be forgotten
Thank you
16:58 Old Scratch is a traditional name for the Devil , the consort of witches, and he appears with that name in Marvel comics. that witch is wrong all along for having that baby.
My favorite RUclipsr!
Nick name for Satan is Old Scratch. So a baby from scratch....
Why is that a nickname?
@@Thed538dhskIt's a variation of Scrat which back in the day meant Goblin or Demon.
@angrytheclown801 thank you for clarifying, the more you know 🌠
@@Thed538dhsk Glad to help. I had to look it up myself.
@@Thed538dhsk also Agatha's son's name is Nick Scratch.... yeah... for tHAT reason. In the comics she DID trade him for power, but he didn't DIE, he was raised to be an evil warlock... and is the father of the Salem Seven.... yes ALL seven.
Speaking of which... after the rug-pull, it's entirely possible we never saw the REAL Salem Seven, and thus they didn't actually die. I thought it was odd that they had such generic bad guy boring designs, but.. they're literally not written as characters, and more a moving hazard. That makes sense if they're a figment of Billy's imagination.
Ha! Better than hot topic! The witch dead go to Spencer's gifts!
Jennifer Kale( the one that survived) is one of the actual characters from the comics…She’s Danny Ketch Ghost Rider’s niece.
We got a MCU Ghost ryder..as Robbie Reyes
@@FULANODETALI think they are considering either Ketch or Blaze. There are multiple GR in the comics, may as well be the same in MCU.
@@toddholland7511 This is what I don’t understand. That mythical “modern audience” they’re pursuing won’t give a toss about such minutiae, and the people who are that “inside baseball” when it comes to Marvel trivia are pushed away and derided as ists and phobes and basement dwelling neckbeards. So who are these shows made for??
@@FULANODETAL They had already stopped considering AOS canon by then. Also Johnny Blaze was in the show, but only for two seconds in Robby's backstory flashback.
She's also the only actual lesbian in the show. All of the other actresses are straight.
In a video about Agatha All Along: “Let’s move this along, I don’t want to be talking about this damn show all night!”.
I think Agatha is worse than the Acolyte in a way, because the Acolyte was fun to mock. Agatha is mostly just boring.
6:22 thanos wiped out half the universe because his crush was a lesbian.
Neato
Weird for a lesbian to hook up with Deadpool tho...
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Excellent review and analysis 👏🏻
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Scratch could be a name for Mephisto, making Nicholaus a half devil. Is Agatha old as a ghost? That’s a callback to an arc in comics.
It could have been much worse. They wanted Hulkling originally as a love interest of Wiccan but Marvel said no. Thank god. The series had a few interesting points for the MCU but it wasn’t worth watching. Thanks for watching, heh.
Which is weird since Hulkling and Wiccan are married in the comics. Not to mention, it would score easy ESG points for having a gay couple in their show.
@@carljensen333 Jac Schaffer knows fuck all and doesn’t care about Mephisto. She just wanted to do her wine mom buddy dramedy and needed the Marvel brand to get it made.
This was another woman's therapy session that we got to see. Again.
Agatha was practicing Dark Magic and sucking other witches' power long before Nicky was born. In wandavision she killed the salemites and who knows how many more witches she killed before Nicky.
The only love of Lady Death is Deadpool now we can have Audrey in Deadpool
We sort of got mistress death. Thats a thing.
Kinda odd she would show up no and not earlier when half the world died for five years. Shouldn't she be pissed at the Hulk for bringing them back?
Or when Thanos was around or during any of the Deadpool movies but sure Wanda's b tier villain and her b tier son has Lady death because..... magic?
@@budgiecat9039she doesn't show up every time someone dies in the comics and characters return from death all the time in the comics. When Steve Rogers or Tony died she didn't appear
@@alexanderfletcher3375more because witches and death go together thematically. Thanos in the MCU is technically an alien and more part of the guardians side rather than the mystical side like witches, death, potions, etc.
@Thed538dhsk but they from watch his and efap breakdowns they barely do mystical anything
They ever say corporation is bad to witches in an episode
Atleast Arcane season 2 drops next week.
You deserve a break and to watch something actually good.
I'm counting the minutes. Inject Arcane season 2 into my eyeballs!
Any thoughts on the Penguin
You can have an unlikeable morally bankrupt character and still like them.
Too bad that's not what happened here. Agatha is a morally reprehensible evil murderer and not in an entertaining way.
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After this maybe gonna watch some sandokan and slugterra, good stories with actually likable characters that not make someone wanna tear their own hair out! Honestly hope some joining.
Wiccan, sympathetic? Not even a little
I wonder why, if Agatha's intention in gathering a coven was to steal their powers by means of the Witch's Road hoax, then why have Diverse Witch #4 or Kitty Forman in the coven if neither had powers?
I guess the no-prize explanation is that Agatha didn't care and was just going to kill them along with the others. Maybe Kitty Forman was just a placeholder to convince the other witches that the Witch's Road was legitimate, and I guess Diverse Witch #4 sort of had powers anyway, despite being bound.
That is an excellent question.
@EvanBerry. "Maybe Kitty Forman was just a placeholder to convince the other witches that the Witch's Road was legitimate"
Basically this. The revelation in the end was basically sort of ironic that it insults the intelligence of woman/witches....its shown that throughout the ages, Agatha has been able to mock and kill 4-5 witches at once every time she did the witches road scam with just some insults, who show no restraint and just blast Agatha, and that even the modern day witches were so gullible, she could convince them a human with a slight motif of one of the 'qualifying witches' was enough to make the ceremony work.
And that's proven correct when she brings Kitty Forman, and the witches actually believe Agatha that she qualifies and they start singing.
Basically, the whole plot falls apart if literally anyone has higher then a lukewarm IQ.
As for her reasoning, her choices was basically 1) to flee immediately without magic from the Salem Seven, or 2) see the combined might of the magic she steals from the witches, plus the unknown power of 'Teen' who could undo a Scarlet Witch spell on her, could allow her to fight off the Salem Seven enough to allow her to escape WITH magic.
The first option was likely a race guaranteed to lose, and the second one relied on witches being as trigger happy as they were in the past.
Although I likely put more thought into the second one then the actual writers did. Many of these witches were cursed or depowered or knew she could absorb magic directly. Sylvie would of just warned Alice not to blast her, and Agatha would get no powers. She just did the witches road so the plot could happen, where a 3rd option opens up via Billy's fake Witch's Road. At that point, Agatha was just playing it by ear.
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Lady Death is another character, she is Mistress Death... In theory...
Since DC screwed up their version of Death In Netflix’s Sandman, Marvel felt it was their turn now.
This show can't be cancelled enough.
Well, Wiccan did stuff without knowing how to do it, so that's a plus, but also a double edge sword because that leads him to be a walking Deux Ex Machina, every time they get cornered he could just solve the plot and not knowing how he did it. Yeah, that's an issue 🤔🤔. I don't think Lillia's plot was pull out from her ass, we got glimpses from her plot in previous episodes, she "time travel" but not in the traditional way, it was more like Everything Everywhere All at Once, but instead of "possesing" her alternate self, she was "possesing" her younger and older self just to see not to control, that's why she said random stuff, because she wasn't in control. Agatha being awful makes her a terrible main character, she is not complex enough to fill the role, they tried to make her more complex, but she end up more awful and one dimensional than before, hell, the idea of her getting power to revive her son not only could be a better idea, but also would make more sense because in Wandavision she was intrigued of the possibility of Wanda resurrecting dead people. But well, the show is not bad, but is full of flaws, too many plot holes, too many inconscistencies, too many plots that are irrelevant, we didn't even got answers to important questions.
How Agatha got her unique set of powers?
How she got the Dark Hold?
What was the bid deal with the Salem Seven at the end?
I could only theorize that she got her OP absorbing magic powers in her execution because Lady Death save her by giving her that power and she should've died that day, that's why Lady Death was after Agatha, but that's my theory. Again, the show is not awful, at least it's not She Hulk, but it's not the best thing ever, it's meh. I didn't hated it at least.
"Who is Nicholas Scratch's father?"
(i wanted it to be Mephisto)
@@budgiecat9039he seemingly has no father. A fatherless birth which kinda parallels Wanda who made her kids "from scratch".
We did learn the big deal about the Salem 7, they were the kids Agatha spared from her original coven
@@Thed538dhskyeah, but what they can do? What makes them so dangerous? What's different from any other random coven?
@MaxEdrox We know they can shape shift into animals.
We don't know what makes them so dangerous other than them being creepy witches set on revenge who behave animalistic.
The difference with the Salem 7 vs another coven is they are feral vs other covens are just a group of somewhat like-minded witches who team up. The Salem 7 are animalistic and rabid. Other covens are human-like and can be reasoned with or convinced to not maul Agatha like beasts I guess. Agatha can't reason with or manipulate the Salem 7 unlike other witches she can convince to spare her.
Hey can you react to the daredevil trailer I want to hear your thoughts
The castle isn't because its Disney. Its because Lilia HATES stereotypes, its her trial is just to annoy her. And all the dresses mean something about the person wearing them.
No Lilia isn't quantum leaping. She's seeing visions of the future, she is a psychic. She just experienced them in a fuge state aka doesn't remember them much. It's not time travel, just seeing the future.
She literally changes things in the future and the past. That is magical time travel.
So who's the more morally compromised: Batwoman or Billy? Agatha is just a serial killer, after all.
Batwoman. At least Billy feels bad (sometimes) when he does bad things.
Scratch is another name for the devil, old scratch, nick scratch
Wiccan was dressed as maleficent because like maleficent he wanted to be party of the coven but was treated as an outsider, a familiar. There is a reason for it. You can like the reason or not, that's your choice. But the reason exists nevertheless. Maleficent only put the curse on sleeping beauty because she wasn't invited to the kings party, she was treated as an outsider. Billy didn't think he was part of the coven, just Agatha's sidekick. But then roles are reversed when Agatha in the last EP is revealed to be Billy's sidekick or spirit guide
If Disney really, really wanted to make Wandavision (I wouldn't have) and cast Agatha as the antagonist, then make a spin-off series about her (again, I wouldn't), then here's how I would've done it: Agatha is broken out of her "Agnes" trance by a runaway fledgling wizard named Billy Kaplan, who tells her that he suddenly woke up one day with a strange text seemingly tattooed on his arm and that his magic directed him towards her. As it turns out, it is actually a page from the Grimorium Verum, the Darkhold's "sister" and a tome powerful enough to open a gateway to the Nether and summon the demon Mephisto. They soon find themselves being hunted down by the Salem Seven, a septet of powerful magic users who are also Agatha's grandchildren. They work for Nicholas Scratch, Agatha's son, who is a warlock and the mayor of New Salem, a hidden town of spell-casters that has spent the last few centuries hiding from the rest of the world. As we later discover, Agatha left New Salem years ago in search of the Darkhold and her journey led to her committing many atrocities. Scratch, who in this version is an almost Magneto-like figure, believes that his mother's quest for the book has endangered the inhabitants of New Salem, not just because of what she's done but also because it was partially her magic that was keeping the town's illusionary barrier up and without her, it keeps malfunctioning and leading to more and more people on the outside discovering New Salem's existence. Agatha and Billy discover that other young magic users have been imprinted with pages of the Grimorium Verum and decide to track them down before the Seven finds them first. The others include Jennifer Kale, Sebastian Ludgate, Jericho Drumm, and Amanda Sefton.
2:50 dosent get me excited for North Star in the MCU
So... in the comics, Thanos kills the whole universe in an attempt to woo Death. I guess only snapping half got him ignored. But also, didn't he curse Deadpool to never die so he could never be with Death? Again, I feel this rendition of Death would ignore DP.
Wait, Lady Death and Deadpool are a thing in Marvel Comics. Wonder if that's going to come up moving forward.
no. Death is a thing in Deadpool. Lady Death is a busty white skinned babe from an independent comic and owned by Brian Pulido.
Your too funny.......
Should have more subscribers.......
Wait so she has to kill witches daily to keep her son alive? Or death just punked her on that one day like a monkeys paw?
Honestly, I'm not really sure. It wasn't explained, just implied. I THINK Agatha was killing witches to keep her son alive, but if that was the deal, it was made silently.
15:33 Did he look in the mirror and see all the people who traveled on the road with him in the reflection and then they were there in the room with him and they danced while a David Bowie song played?
The whole out-of-sequence time jumping plotpoint is a straight up rip-off of that very same plotpoint that was used in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. season 5.
And before you ask, yes, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. did it better. Not surprising
Additionally, in the last episode Agatha tricks, and kills several witches, some of which are black, even worse because those black witches would be alive during slavery, which means at some point most of them or slaves, which are subjected to horrible things like rape and torture.
And how many of them were indentured servants and white that you don't care about? You know not everything has to be about black people right?
Mistress Death, the “sister” of Galactus and Eternity, three of the most powerful entities in existence below the Living Tribunal, is supposed to be in a love triangle with Deadpool and Thanos. What is all of this?
Pretty sure that Jac Shaeffer has said that she's not following the comics, so stuff like this was to be expected.
Ghost Agatha? Ghagatha? Neat.😂
22:48 "(Lady Death) can do better." Hells yeah! In the comics, she had Thanos, the Mad Titan, following her around like a puppy dog... but did she APPRECIATE him? Nooooo... It's like Lady Death was Jerry Hall and she dumped Rupert Murdoch (Thanos) to go back to Bryan Ferry (Agatha)! The woman has no taste! Death of the Endless is so much a better representation of... death than Lady Death.
So Lady Death was a simp for her 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lilia put the sigil on Billy because Wanda or death would've been after him the moment he possessed Kaplan's body. Lilia gave him time to get his bearings and find out who he is before meeting death or wanda
So she co-conspired in his literal identity theft? Gross.
But even if she hadn't, Death still wouldn't be able to do anything. She said she needed him to come willingly and he wasn't about to do that.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 How can we be sure if that, he didn't even know who he was? Death could've easily told him to come with her and he wouldn't have known better after his car accident. He couldn't read Rio's mind during this series or Agatha's. He was frightened, confused, and vulnerable to have listened to Rio after the car accident.
@@MamaMOB Depends, from a certain point of view. You could view it as:
Option A: Lilia co-conspired in Billy controlling William Kaplan's deceased body and taking over his life
Or
Option B: Lilia basically was a mid-wife and mother like figure who helped Billy be reborn and enjoy having time to grow up gaining a 2nd life.
Billy and William were both SUPPOSED to die. Or Wanda was SUPPOSED to have gotten Billy after the events of Wandavision. Lilia prevented Wanda AND Death from noticing him and allowed him time to avoid both of them until he learned more about himself.
Sacred balance.
No, the writing is not on the wall, it's in the toilet.
Can’t wait for this show to be ultimately unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
I been watching you for awhile but just to let you know, Brett from the Pop Culture Crisis podcast gave you a shoutout recently 😊
Cool! Got a link? I'd like to see that.
@thoriasunlimited4053 Unfortunately no because they make 2hr podcast episodes pretty much every day and since they're so frequent it's hard to pinpoint the exact episode. But it was when they were either reviewing Joker 2 or Agatha, Brett said that he really liked your channel, your personality and watching your reviews and for everyone to go check you out. I thought it was pretty cool lol
There's still hope. As soon as Velma became a ghost her series was IMMEDIATELY canceled. Now that we have Ghost Agatha maybe, just MAYBE...
Thankfully i didnt waste my time watching this, i mean who cares about agatha, i never heard of her in the 90s, never been popular or huge...
Wait but the son of Agatha(at least in the comics)is the one who founded the Salem Seven, why bring him up if they're already gone?
AY UP THORIAS
Even as fan of redemption arcs I cannot see Agatha as anything but a evil being. I mean I now love Negan (TWD) the man who killed brutally two of my favorite characters Abraham and Glenn. Yet they did such a good job showing this man going from a narcissistic dictator of the Saviors to a redeemed man trying to move on with what was left to live for, Agatha being redeemed is like Alpha being redeemed. Oh sure she cut heads off of people still alive, tortured others, murdered her own husband, tormented Carol especially, but... she LOVED her daughter Lydia. 🙄
Also, Lady Death needs to get with Deadpool already. She wouldnbe treated so much better by Wade Wilson. Let Gagatha rot in the darkness she craves. Also, while I didn't hate Wiccan, the actor needs to work out more before I truly see him in that role. R.I.P Kitty Foreman hopefully Red Foreman will stick his foot up Agatha's ass in revenge.
Yes. And Red needs to call her a dumbass too. Agatha definitely earned that one.
I like when u review things u like
Im attracted to Kathryn Hahn and Aubrey Plaza, but I have no interest in watching this show, and that's weird because I watched Wandavision just for Elizabeth Olsen
The one bait and switch that doesnt go to a woman goes to a gay. Smh.
I don't get what they were trying to do with this show and agatha.Agatha in this show is a combination of her main Marvel comic universe elderly self, and her late 20s early thirties alternate timeline self from the comics
Oh this was it already? Well.i cant say that i expect much from mcu.
Atleast DC has some great animated series i can now watch from HBO Max..Justice League action was pretty fun
What about Penguin
@Thed538dhsk yeah that too.i try to watch that
@@trainerredcharizard7982 how did you feel about that show?
@Thed538dhsk i havent started it yet.heard good things from it.
@@trainerredcharizard7982 I recommend it if you like gangster dramas like the Sopranos, Power, or that Gotham show that used to be on FOX
How about Death be with Thanos like she should have been?
But she's not. Thanos is a simp for death in the comics but she likes Deadpool, not Thanos. She isn't interested in Thanos, just kinda leads him on
@@toddholland7511 Truth be told, Thanos’ motivations made a lot more sense than the “simpimg for Death” reason in the comics. Thank goodness the Infinity Saga wasn’t produced nowadays or you would have gotten your wish and have Thanos be a cuck for Death.
I think Agatha baby father is Logan remember he was around in that time 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Agatha is such a terrible and irredeemable character that I couldn't get behind her at all. She's literally a serial killer that shows no remorse for her actions and yet we're still supossed to feel sympathy for her? I like Death and Wiccan though but ultimately this show was yet another MCU disappointment.
I felt sympathy for her when she lost her son, but then they instantly ruined it.
The entire show is so pointless. In future if Agatha showed up in anything they could've just mentioned how she got her powers back.. It was more about Wiccan than Agatha.
Yeah it was basically Wiccan show pilot and now I heard we are ..... getting a Wiccan show 🙄
@@budgiecat9039that's unconfirmed rumour. He could be in a different show, solo show, or a film who knows
Wdym? How is it teen all along instead of Agatha? How is the show pointless?
@@Thed538dhsk did you watch this review
@budgiecat9039 yes. I liked it. Did you?
this is a setup for young avenger if anybody care for movie
At this rate, they're not going to be so young anymore by the time they get around to making that thing.
I'm pretty sure the "you saved one!" Comment was about tommy, not kale.
And yeah, wiccan is one of the strongest characters in all of marvel (stronger than both his parents). Doing him, like his mother, is always going to be a catch 22 between making him comics accurately OP and being easy to write. It's a real superman problem in that all struggles have to be something internal like moral, emotional, and psychological - as you can't rely on external clashes alone.
Salem 7 arent villians tbh thats why there is no focus on them. Their whole appeal is visual, something weird. More so Agatha's past catching up with her. The tower didn't reverse, Lilia reversed it to kill them because hey if she's gonna die why not just take them out with her.
I liked the episode before two last ones
So a really shitty show gets slightly less shitty by the end, not gonna really win anybody over with that Marvel ... the MCU and its vestigial TV sidekick shows are as good as dead, and it didn't even require Lady Death for that to happen 😅
Wait, where was the middle finger to the algorythm? did I miss it?
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I don't use that bit in every video. That's just for movie reviews.
@@thoriasunlimited4053 Gotcha! Big fan!
4:09 they did not “pull a plot point out of their ass” the plot point about her seeing her life out of order is genuinely one of the best bits of writing in the entire show because it is set up all the way from episode 2 with the dementia moments. You can’t say that they didn’t set it up when the entire episode is pointing out how this plot point was set up throughout the entire series.
5:15 that’s because it isn’t time travel her consciousness is travelling back into her previous body there is no time travel and nothing is changing whatsoever.
The Butterfly Effect (movie) is still a form of time travel.
If her consciousness enters her body in the past AND she has control of her body and actions, it's time travel.
EXACTLY like Wolverine in First Class.
@@James_Beewell it’s not full time travel because she only ever goes back for a few seconds and she can’t change anything because what she did then she always did because it was always her mind in the body at that moment. So his point of time travel is illogical since it doesn’t act like time travel and doesn’t allow for the alteration of the future
Ahh Doo Thorias my lad, 24 likes, 119 views in just FOUR MINUTES...Thy doin oreyt son.
What an insufferable show.
Thank you for suffering for us.
Agatha was just unlikable and that’s a huge problem. Like not in a charming way or well-written way. Take Walter White. He’s egotistical, he’s manipulative, a liar. But we like him because the performance is done well and the writing is too. Either Kathryn Hahn just isn’t that good, or the writing wasn’t that good.
How could Agatha have been better depicted in the show for you to make her more like Walter White, a likable evil person?
Ding on both counts. Katheryn Hahn doesn’t have a tenth of the talent Bryan Cranston has, able to handle comedy and drama (his Hal is still one of the best tv dads) that’s ever been.
@fishjones4618 Okay but is it just a matter of having the talent to pull off the performance? I guess what I'm asking is it an acting problem or writing problem? Is it because Hahn isn't as good an actor enough to do the performance OR is it a problem from the writers?
@@Thed538dhsk Both. Look at people like Billy Zane. He played a relatively bit part in a terrible show called Charmed, but he added inflections and gestures to give life to a terrible script. A good actor can't save terrible writing, but he can make a moderately memorable character in an otherwise terrible show. Likewise, a bad actor can kill good writing. Hahn doesn't have the chops and the writing is godawful.
@WhiteManOnCampus What could she do better in her performance to have made the character of Agatha be better?
What do you feel the writers could've done to make the character of Agatha be better written?
Why do you call the non whte witches "diverse"? You think only whte people can be witches? The concept of witchcraft has existed in Africa since the beginning of human history lol! Were they rce swapped? You come across funny here.
Lady d needs to get with DP
Another OP character? The next Avenger movies are going to become pointless now.
Like I said. This is going to create a lot of problems for the writers.
So if he reincarnates take him again lol what's the problem.
Thank God I am watching The Penguin besides this piece of crap.
To be honest, I'll watch you for honest reactions. I click on others to watch the rage reviews for entertainment. When I see you rage, I know it's a horrible show 🤣
I don't know why this show is so popular... straight 🗑 to me 🤷♂️
I liked the show but the whole preaching the importance of Covens /sisterhoods felt counter productive. I liked the other witches but I think the show would’ve worked better with just Agatha and Wiccan
What are you talking about? The last episode clearly shows Agatha thinks nothing of covens/sisterhoods. How did you take that message from the show? I guess the other witches learn that but this "sisterhood" is what helped them almost all die?
How would this show work if it were only Agatha and Teen tho? Would ep 2 just be them conjuring the road themselves with none of the other witches? Then there wouldn't be any stakes because nothing could kill them but with the other witches each trail has stakes since witches die from the trials. It'd be like Halloween with none of Laurie's friends being killed by Meyers, the film is ONLY Mike Meyers and Laurie Strode
@ That’s what I meant, this show kept having a subplot about the importance of covens but it was all for nothing. And what I meant was maybe the show should’ve just been about Agatha & Wiccan with a different plot instead of the witches road. I did like all of the actresses on this show but again if their whole point was that coven plot it does almost make everything they went through feel pointless whereas the stuff with Agatha & Billy at least felt like it had a somewhat satisfying conclusion
@patrickmcguire7896 I wouldn't say the coven subplot is ALL for nothing. It does serve the purpose of paralleling Wiccan to Agatha. As he says in the last EP, he tends to kill his coven mates just like Agatha does. The difference between them is he feels bad and didn't do it on purpose whereas Agatha has.
What plot do you feel would service the character Agatha and Wiccan better? Or even service the other witches better too?
I'm fine with agatha not being a good person she's not supposed to be it's just the bad story that bothers me were supposed to be following a villain and not a redemption tell or a heroic one as for the scratch thing that was her saying the father was the demon
Telling a story about a villain would be one thing - hell, The Penguin made it work - but if that's the case, you need to own it. The writers seem to want Agatha to be kind of the hero of this story and they apparently don't understand how hateable she is.
I really enjoyed the show most of the time, despite of much of the stupidity in it that you mentioned. As someone who's really into witchcraft and the esoteric things in general, it was a fun ride. Really hope to see Deadpool and Lady Death together.