are you fucked up? let's remember the really terrifying things when, for example, experiments were carried out on LIVING PEOPLE in concentration camps. "no, it's different, you don't understand, thanks to the Nazis we have antibiotics and vaccines. fucking hypocrites
THANK YOU for the trigger warning! Not enough RUclipsrs do this and as a PTSD survivor, hearing a popular creator think of this really made me feel safer watching your videos! Keep up the good work!
I was looking in the comment section to see if anyone else forwarded the video. I have many animals in my care and don't want any harm to come to any of them or any other animal.
Thanks for letting us know about Pavlov’s ugly side. As a former scientist and now a professional dog trainer, I guess I am not surprised. The only thing I would have to correct on this episode is that it was actually Skinner, and not Pavlov who gave us positive reinforcement training. In fact for years the Pavlovian theory and Skinner’s operant conditioning were considered rival theories. Modern dog training theory now recognizes that both Pavlovian concepts (paired stimulus causes a subconscious physiological effect) and Skinner’s theory (antecedent, behavior, consequence - which involves conscious choices) are in play when any animal learns. Sadly, Skinner studied all 4 quadrants of operant conditioning (including the punishment and negative reinforcement quadrants), so there were a lot of rats that got electric shocks. :-(. If you you want to delve deeper, Bob Bailey, the husband of the late Marian Breland-Bailey ( who was a graduate student of B.F. Skinner) is still around and has a lot of historical material on the history of animal training in the U.S. it’s quite interesting and might even be a good Answers With Joe Episode. Bob and Marian trained everything from Cockroaches to Killer Whales....but they used positive reinforcement.
Bob Bailey is my hero when it comes to animal training, I attended all levels of his chicken camp workshops and realized "dog trainers" who don't understand the science behind what they are doing can't be good dog trainers. Meeting Bob and being his student for 4 weeks is one of the highlights of my life. I realized how much I didn't know and how most trainers don't have a clue!! Can anyone get behaviors? Yes, but at what cost.
My husband and I watched the video, and I am amazed that you got through the research. We hugged our dog so hard after watching the video. I've stopped using any reference to Pavlov.
Jessy Goofball you could definitely say that again. i didn’t listen past the warning, but we never, ever heard a word about anything horrible. just as well - i think i’d’ve left.
Jessy Goofball i don’t remember exactly how i learned about it - my father sent to see a movie, The Pawnbroker, w/o telling anything about it when was 12. good idea! here watch this by yourself. with him or my mom wouldn’t have hurt!?. i’ll never forget it ! unfortunately there were millions of others murdered, also - mentally ill, gay people, gypsies, the infirm, and anyone they deemed unfit ! we also don’t learn about that! i found out about the horrible way the Union soldiers were treated in Andersonville “prison”. by picking up the book - very well written we didn’t learn anything about that the actual people involved - like why Queen Elizabeth did the things she did, or that Pietre the Great was enthused about making Russia more in tune with the rest of Europe. he was amazing. i am now learning about how the real people and how they lived - work conditions, the food (so interesting), their homes, clothes, etc. even now on TV and the movies, all you ever hear anout are upper middle class and richer people. not at like the human movies of the 30’s and 40’s. real history is so much more interesting as we never get it in school. :}
same, i'm taking AP Psych (cause there's no normal psych in my highschool) and i just read about classical conditioning and pavlov and they said nothing about what he actually did
If Pavlov did this today, he'd be a monster. Back then, dogs were not our "family". Most, if not all, people didn't think animals had emotions, intelligence, or felt pain, like RUclips Trolls.
I don't agree - cruelty to animals has been condemned for thousands of years. It is prohibited in the bible and was condemned by such people as Leonardo da Vinci and Charles Darwin (according to Wikipedia).
"You still here? Why? " Because I wasn't warned this one time and I watched the videos. I KNOW what he did. Joe you did the right thing. Warning us was the best choice
even dogs are experimented on today…about 10 years ago we adopted a dog who came from a dog food testing facility. he was absolutely traumatized. we had him for 6 years and he always hid in my parents room. he was so scared of any movement. he NEVER barked. ever. i can only imagine how badly he was beaten for barking while in his testing facility.
i will add he sadly passed from kidney failure due to his years in testing. so sad. he was such a sweet dog. (a Scottish terrier i will mention, so not just some lost mutt. i assume he was a runt and was sold off. (not that it makes it any better)) this facility was in the U.S. we adopted him from a college vet tech program in WI.
Having watch so many videos by Joe, this has to be one of my favorites. The way it starts with Joe holding Zoe at the beginning, I never get bored of watching that.
Don't forget that many students trying to be doctors and a few "scientists" were grave robbers... I remember one specifically that electrified the body parts to study the effects; it was the inspiration for Frankenstein. A lot of our history is filled with stuff like this, where we learned something from the misfortune of another. Great video!! Keep rockin' it!!
I guess the best terrible Example from the last few Years is Joseph Mengele. Even though his Experiments were terrible they propelled the medical research forward a Lot .
Electrifying a stolen corpse is one thing. The only suffering is the emotional grief of the family - IF they find out. But torturing animals to further human medicine should stop. Offer it as paid "work" to inmates... fully informed of course. As for mengele? He was a sadist. Stone, cold evil SOB sadist. It's questionable about how truly valuable his experiments were to anything.
id think the dead would be happy their corpses were advancing medicine for the world, and its not like it negatively impacts them so thats a very minor thing at worst in my opinion
But context is important here. Without it the people performing morally dubious or reprehensible acts are easy to dismiss as unfeeling or monstrous uniformly. The practice of grave robbery and its relation to he medical profession was an unfortunate byproduct of of the church in Europe allowing no circumstance in which the body could be studied, which prevented the reacquisition of the medical knowledge lost in the sack of Rome. Without grave robbing surgery would have been impossible to practice on anything but the living (or animals if anyone thought of it). Medicine is the science of the distastefully visceral. At best you're working with the bodies of volunteers after their dead. At worst, you have some of the truly twisted, unethical to the point of outright evil, experiments of the 20th century. So Far. But it's always a trade-off of harm or the risk of harm now for helping later, and it's never very morally clean. All that anybody can do is hope that restraint and conscience wins out over ambition and inquisitiveness where more harm than good would be done, and punish when it isn't.
This just goes to show how much history gets edited to make it sound better than it really was. It really makes me wonder what other stuff gets left out of history books that is just as bad or even worse.
I totally agree. If we humans want to know if say, a medication cures something in humans, THEN TEST ON HUMANS. I mean we can say yes or no. Pigs and rats, no one has asked. Also, I like to say to my 9th grade Biology teacher, you SUCK for naming the class pet after this Monster. That's some messed up thinking.
@@stephaniewright898 so much snowflakery :( There is nothing more important, than human live, and that is just because we are humans. Species LITERALLY are at war as a whole, and we are so incredibly far ahead, that most people do not have to think about it. But if you equate value of a rat's live to that of a human, you are in desperate need of reality check.
my parents was born in Soviet union, my dad had a friend in a medical school when he was in college, even in the Soviet union times if you were studying in medical school, then you had to catch stray dogs or cats and perform operations on them to study medicine, that friend told my dad that the animals he operated on would haunt him in his dreams
I have seen the Russian severed head dogs. It makes you wonder why anyone dies or has brain damage if that dog can still have a normal life after what happens.
I'm taking a psychology class and it just happens to be that you're talking about the subjects I'm learning about, thanks! You're channel is actually helping me in school
From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU for putting in that trigger warning. Emotionally, I do not have the bandwidth to handle those kinds of stories right now. Seriously, thank you.
I will say that stuff we've learned from sufficiently old historical atrocities like this I would not want buried. We're not going to prevent those dogs from being killed & tortured by denying what we learned, but we can de-sanitize the reputations of people like Pavlov. Arguably we have; think about how they felt it had to be done in the first place. Then, next time someone says "it's okay to work with [secretly: torture] animals for humans cuz old Pavvie did it" we can really set the record straight. Knowing what we are capable of, to prevent it from happening again, is not a lesson I want forgotten.
From what I understand, the general lack of concern for test subjects is ubiquitous with early 'scientific' studies. Sometimes it was ignorance on the part of scientists, but others were ~bleeping~ monsters, as you describe.
When it's a choice between learning something or not... it's the sacrifice they were/are willing to make. Being attached and feeling emotional about the test subject won't be beneficial, so you'd expect that they'll try to distance and isolate themselves in this regard instead. As to both avoid uncomfortable emotions and guarantee better results.
@@Psycorde Well, you can consider ethics without being emotional. Often times it was a willingness to go against taboo's that brought scientific breakthroughs, particularly in the field of anatomy and physiology. Also, most of the time, questionable ethical behavior is acceptable so long as the subjects of study are not human, or 'less human.' That said, you don't throw out legit leaps of insight and knowledge b/c the discovery came via questionable means. Yet, we rarely hear about the true levels cruelty used to obtain the results.
Eh, Russian scientists and dogs have a “rough” track record. I also always felt bad for Laika who was pretty much purposely sent to space to die during the space race
The data collected during Laikas Mission helped the scientists to learn about the effects of spaceflight on the body and thereby it allowed them to shoot Gagarin into space with a much lower risk of him dying. Also she wasn’t just ignored after her death, she became known as a symbol of science and space exploration and many people remembered her and her (involuntary) death for the advancement of science
NA NA Thats just bs. Saying that non-European cultures dont care about animals is nothing but Eurocentric bs. Other cultures (like Hindu-culture) hold the lives of animals much higher as our culture. Western nations consume the most factory farmed meat worldwide. How can that be if we supposedly care more about animal lives and their suffering than other cultures?
@@yourlocaltoad5102 It's not that humanity cares about all animals, it's that we care about specific animals that we see as "sacred". To the Egyptians the cat was a sacred animal and was protected. In some beliefs, it is stressed that you don't harm certain animal. The same sort of thing happens, in a non religious way, here in the west; dogs, cats, and horses are seen as companions, while in other cultures they're livestock like other animals. It's all about cultural norms.
Zypherus Yeah, thats basic knowledge. It’s just that stating that other cultures value animals lifes and wellbeing’s as much as we do (as NA NA said) is plainly wrong. Especially since we in the west still have hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions of pets living in shelters where many of them are killed or since we kill millions of cows, pigs, chicken, etc just for our consumption. Saying that we care about animals whilst other cultures dont do so (as much) in general is pretty ignorant of the things all these animals have to live through
Thanks Joe, now I can't get those images out of my head! I remember in school Pavlov was depicted as being a benign dog whisperer/trainer. No mention of the intestinal juice extraction!
I had more sense and skipped that bit because I love dogs and all animals and don't want to remember what I can't forget. Self preservation, and thanks to Joe for the warning!
This end does not justify the means. The fact that this one sequence of atrocities led to a useful result was not predictable, and there would be no way to determine if a similar set of actions would also produce benefits. The number of horrible cases of abuse that have no good outcome is staggering and depressing to think about, and none of them can be excused.
I have a few formerly feral cats, whom I have conditioned to come to me when I whistle a specific tune. I would whistle this tune every time I fed them, every time pet them, and every time I (later once they would allow it) brushed or groomed them. They all still come to me when I whistle this tune.
A good history of the dark side of classical conditioning is the Little Albert Experiment. In this study, a toddler was given cute, soft things like a rabbit to play with, and then they made the toddler terrified by playing loud sounds. The result was the child not only being irreversibly afraid of soft, fuzzy things, but he was mentally scarred for his entire life.
Hello. Dog trainer here for a major pet retailer and he is accurate. When getting certified we learned alot about the shiny side of pavlov's experiments. I even gave examples of how humans become conditioned to help them understand their dogs better
Thank you for mentioning todays animal testing. The thing that horrifys me most is how this changed to a nice story. I cried over this when researched it for a school exame. You can argue about the necessaty aspecially today. BUT I think you should never gloss over how you achieve things. Tell children their burger was a living animal. Be aware how your medicine (or worse cosmetics) were tested. I think we need to face what we are doing and if we aren't able to stop testing, eating and using, we realy need to make their lifes better!
Funny thing is, in Russia, where I come from, all of what you have said - except the "he sold the gastric liquids" part - is taught in a school. Including the holes, the mutilation, the harness, and even, in some biology books, his lab is mentioned as the factory that conditioned dogs so to speak. When I saw this video I went "Oh christ what horrors did he commit" and then you spoke of this topic so I got confused. Then I remembered that a thing called "difference in perspective" exists. Still, good video, but damn, I feel sorry for anyone who didn't know this and saw this video, they were better off not knowing this in all likelihood.
if you want to study for med school entrance exam in romania you learn about the pavlov dog and most teachers tell you about the mutilations and everything beside the gastric juice
Leon Trotsky . . . "A means can only be justified by its end. But the end in turn needs to be justified." [Wasn't Trotsky killed with the 'end' of an Ice Axe?]
At the end when you said "hug a dog" I had just walked in my apartment and my dogs greeted me with excitement and love and I sat on the couch and gave them giant hugs while they licked my face clean !
William Morgan that’s not condition a reflex. That’s a memory association. Dogs don’t control drool. It’s automatic. So to control it with a sound instead of food was the discovery.
You gotta remember this was the 1800's. Back then it was justified in the scientific community. In fact it was the morally correct way to do things. Some other scientists at the time would go as far as using human subjects instead of animals. It's a horrible, horrible thing, but it could've been much worse.
If you want, as you say, a scene from "Frankenstein or the Reanimator", then I suggest doing an episode on the doctor who transplanted a monkey's brain into another body. More than one level of disturbing when you hear the details.
Dr. Robert White, a neurosurgeon at Case Western Reserve University, in 1970. I'm a little peeved you didn't search that for me, but maybe it's for the best that you don't put that on your Google search profile. ;P
Coincidentally, Pavlov's daughter ran a huge private dog shelter at her country estate outside St. Petersburg, Russia long after Pavlov's death. A journalist friend of mine did an interview with her back in the nineties. She was a bit crazy but obsessively compassionate towards dogs. For obvious reasons.
• Don't forget the Russian "scientists" who made several two-headed dogs. And the ones shot into space. Russians. 😒 • Menegele and Unit 731 experimented on humans. The _Star Trek: Voyger_ episode "Nothing Human" tackles the "do the ends justify the means?" debate. (The correct answers are, perhaps not surprisingly, "They do _and_ don't" and "It depends". :-\) • While researching your decapitation video, you may have heard about the rats whose heads were (recently) chopped off to monitor their brain activity. (Doing a search for Languille brings up the guillotine. 🤦) This kind of crap still happens _now_ . 😒 • As you mentioned, Pavlov was more interested in the biology which is why he wanted to measure the amount of saliva and gastric juices rather than just noting that they salivated. Most people think he just observed them drooling, not the gruesome specifics, and the drawings of the experiments don't help since they usually omit the apparatus.
Well, the research on head transplants helped in understanding how the mind is cabled to the body and shooting dogs into space helped us understand how spaceflight affects the body, which led to us being able to shoot people into space with at least some knowledge on wether or not they might survive it. Without this research we now would know a lot less. Sadly science sometimes needs people to do terrible things, if they wanna find something out whilst only using the technology availiable to them in their time.
Thrill98 Yeah, I know. Advocating against the use of animals as test subjects for certain fields of science means that one wants humans to be used and thereby possibly die. I do not know how anyone could be against animal testing when the alternative means risking human lives.
@@yourlocaltoad5102 I think they used to have death row or just prisoners volunteered for experiments for shorter sentences. Not saying let's do that but the idea has been broached before. And ofcourse everyone knows of the Japanese and German experiments on prisoners during WWII
Before this video starts, I want to state that Pavlov, a Russian scientist, who was not fond of Germans, then cut the cheeks out of German Shepard dogs, and replaced them with glass so he could view the salivation of the dogs, in order to conduct an experiment to determine if dogs salivated when a bell was rang, due to a conditioned response. Great man.
Forgot to add--- The only reason I'm familiar with Pavlov is because I like researching facts behind nearly everything. I have an eclectic nature. I love knowledge.
In Which Dimension would she still be alive in. i would prefer that univers. The cat would be a zombie in some other Universe. Dead in another and then in yet another Multiverse she turns into God from so much undying.
I was a research assistant back in the day. You would not believe the hoops investigators have to jump through in order to perform experiments on animals, at least in the US. Every effort must be made to ensure that experimental animals' pain and suffering was minimized, including sedatives, anesthetics and pain killers when necessary. Careful records had to be kept to explain why animals were necessary, as opposed to other methods, like cell and tissue culture, whether the procedures might cause pain and why, and what steps were taken to mitigate it. Inspectors from the FDA and DoAg would perform audits and any discrepancies would lead to fines. We had a staff veterinarian to make sure the animals were as healthy as possible, since sick animals could skew the results. And to perform euthanasia when necessary. Pavlov would not have been able to do his experiments, much less profit from them, today with all the restrictions. All of that being said, I'm an animal lover and I love animals of all kinds from the water bear to the blue whale, and I'd prefer that animal experimentation was unnecessary. But in some cases it is a necessary evil. Fortunately with improved techniques and computer modeling, the use of animals is declining. Furthermore, it's important to realize that while animal experimentation is primarily for the improvement of human medicine, veterinary medicine also benefits from it quite greatly.
They certainly used to teach about this experiment in gruesome detail when I was at school, true. Not sure they still do though. Coincidentally, what I am quite sure of is that judging by your grammar, studying English hasn't left as big an imprint on you as finding out about Pavlov's experiment *winkyface*
@@annaboo1946 Wow, what an unnecessarily unkind answer. I'm sure when you consider the challenges you faced when mastering your own second, third, fourth, etc languages, you can have a little more understanding for this guy.
@@camez2345 calling people names and insulting them might be deemed unkind (despite this, these behaviors are rather widespread online). Being a sarcastic asshole and goofing on people is not unkind, just childish and kind of lame, two traits I admit I have demonstrated excessively in my previous comment. Also, you never know, sometimes being goofed on can motivate people to actually pay attention and not to sound (and be) illiterate.
We were actually taught this in school in Russia. Without the part of him comercially producing and selling "dog juices" and without the info that dogs were not fed and died so quick. But we had very illustrative pictures and photos of dogs with saliva and stomach acids collectors and where the holes were made.
I love how Zoe's ear satellite up whenever you said "Food." As a Frenchie owner myself I often use my dog as a prop to illustrate points. My friends are like, "Yep, we get it, but what does Blue have to do with it?" Me: "The EARS, ingrates! Watch the EARS!"
We were taught about Pavlov's dog for Health and social care and nursery nursing. I've noticed it with my own children (not ringing a bell for food) different events during the day would produce different behaviour s. When I was conscious of it I would try and gear towards positive play and reward .. but with a toddler and a child with A.D.H.D it was hard to be so allert to this 24-7 but I tried my best . That was years ago they're both big giant yetis now .
I remember watching a video where a guy rang a bell just before shooting his roomate with an airsoft gun, eventually his roomate would immediately cower into a defensive position whenever he heard the bell. So yes, definitely seems to work on humans! Haha Edit: Actually, I don't think that he used a bell ring as the trigger sound... I think it was something like that sound a Windows desktop PC makes when you login to your account... Lol. Edit 2: Found it! ruclips.net/video/Eo7jcI8fAuI/видео.html
"Could it be argued that human progress is only possible through the suffering of others?" Would we have all of this technology if Nazi's werent a 'thing'? Would we have medication that keeps us alive without exploiting/extorting remote tribes? Hard to say...
@@jimmyjames6318 Nazi's did 'horrific' experiments during their reign. However, because of those actions the medical field was advanced. Some phara companies learn their recipes from remote tribes that have been testing and experimenting for hundreds if not thousands of years while giving them inadequate 'gifts' in response. Question is, would we be as advanced without exploiting them?
@@keenfire8151 Not to forget that the first practical "computers" were built to shorten the calculations of artillery trajectories (correct me if I'm wrong). The horrors of one generation benefit the next :/
not that hard really. we probably could eventually achieve at least some of that sweet, sweet progress even without such questionable means, but we'd definitely be far behind compared with the current state of things.
Actually, it seems that most of the Nazi experiments were done shoddily and many were done for cruelty's sake alone than for any scientific purpose. Few of their experiments resulted in anything scientifically useful, and most of their more useful experiments are un-reproduceable, for obvious ethical reasons.
Oh yeah I remember when I was taught this at phisiology class, the details were... And I'm a vet student so you can imagine all our faces lol. Also when we learned up to certain point in time, people thought animals didn't feel pain, which meant... no anesthesia.
@@jimmyjames6318 Dark times I guess? Thing is they'd also apply immovilizations to the animal to do surgery, without the cancelling of consciousness (IDK how to translate all of this to english properly) So you'd have the animal unable to move, but still fully awake, aware, and feeling. Nowadays some really ignorant veterinarians still do that! (Ones that don't know how to make a proper protocol for anesthesia)
Vladimir Demikhov performed more Soviet dog experiments in the '50s including head transplants. In one case the live head of a puppy/juvenile dog was surgically attached to the neck of a German Shepard (resulting in 2 heads). Some survived the surgery, only to die up to 29 days later due to tissue rejection. He was a pioneering organ transplant surgeon, but some of his experiments seem incredibly cruel.
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"Why? Why are you still here?"
Sheer curiosity...which is terrible because I have 3 dogs and love them beyond words.
I'm literally watching this with my 5 month old puppy and trying not to cry. But like, i HAD to know.
are you fucked up? let's remember the really terrifying things when, for example, experiments were carried out on LIVING PEOPLE in concentration camps. "no, it's different, you don't understand, thanks to the Nazis we have antibiotics and vaccines. fucking hypocrites
THANK YOU for the trigger warning! Not enough RUclipsrs do this and as a PTSD survivor, hearing a popular creator think of this really made me feel safer watching your videos! Keep up the good work!
I was looking in the comment section to see if anyone else forwarded the video. I have many animals in my care and don't want any harm to come to any of them or any other animal.
@@Sevenine88PTSD is not specific to war. Anyone with any type of trauma can suffer from PTSD if they meet criteria
Joe: "You sick son of a bitc....."
Me: "Why am I drooling?"
H Dug but also the hooman always rings a bell....seems conditioned somwhow
I guess it's like yawning or coughing? When you hear about it you start doing it.
@@SimonClarkstone Yeah, you totally missed his masochism joke.
@@PinataOblongata Oh, darn.
Joe: daddy
Me: *D R O O L*
Thanks for letting us know about Pavlov’s ugly side. As a former scientist and now a professional dog trainer, I guess I am not surprised. The only thing I would have to correct on this episode is that it was actually Skinner, and not Pavlov who gave us positive reinforcement training. In fact for years the Pavlovian theory and Skinner’s operant conditioning were considered rival theories. Modern dog training theory now recognizes that both Pavlovian concepts (paired stimulus causes a subconscious physiological effect) and Skinner’s theory (antecedent, behavior, consequence - which involves conscious choices) are in play when any animal learns. Sadly, Skinner studied all 4 quadrants of operant conditioning (including the punishment and negative reinforcement quadrants), so there were a lot of rats that got electric shocks. :-(. If you you want to delve deeper, Bob Bailey, the husband of the late Marian Breland-Bailey ( who was a graduate student of B.F. Skinner) is still around and has a lot of historical material on the history of animal training in the U.S. it’s quite interesting and might even be a good Answers With Joe Episode. Bob and Marian trained everything from Cockroaches to Killer Whales....but they used positive reinforcement.
Bob Bailey is my hero when it comes to animal training, I attended all levels of his chicken camp workshops and realized "dog trainers" who don't understand the science behind what they are doing can't be good dog trainers. Meeting Bob and being his student for 4 weeks is one of the highlights of my life. I realized how much I didn't know and how most trainers don't have a clue!! Can anyone get behaviors? Yes, but at what cost.
" It's simple but not easy" Bob Bailey
Why was Pavlov's hair so soft? Because he conditioned it.
wow... just ... wow...
I gave you a thumbs up but it is a thumbs down, just to make it visible.
Giving a thumbs-up-down to a slightly funny joke isn't very nice. That's why I you now also have a thumbs-up-down. ;)
Shut the frick up and take my upvote.
Хахаха :'-D)))))
My husband and I watched the video, and I am amazed that you got through the research. We hugged our dog so hard after watching the video. I've stopped using any reference to Pavlov.
I've noticed that my high school and college Psychology 101 classes left out that gruesome part.
Jessy Goofball you could definitely say that again. i didn’t listen past the warning, but we never, ever heard a word about anything horrible. just as well - i think i’d’ve left.
Jessy Goofball i don’t remember exactly how i learned about it - my father sent to see a movie, The Pawnbroker, w/o telling anything about it when was 12. good idea! here watch this by yourself. with him or my mom wouldn’t have hurt!?. i’ll never forget it !
unfortunately there were millions of others murdered, also - mentally ill, gay people, gypsies, the infirm, and anyone they deemed unfit ! we also don’t learn about that! i found out about the horrible way the Union soldiers were treated in Andersonville “prison”. by picking up the book - very well written
we didn’t learn anything about that the actual people involved - like why Queen Elizabeth did the things she did, or that Pietre the Great was enthused about making Russia more in tune with the rest of Europe. he was amazing. i am now learning about how the real people and how they lived - work conditions, the food (so interesting), their homes, clothes, etc. even now on TV and the movies, all you ever hear anout are upper middle class and richer people. not at like the human movies of the 30’s and 40’s. real history is so much more interesting as we never get it in school. :}
@@feralbluee I'd agree. Non-fiction is much more interesting/eye-opening.
same, i'm taking AP Psych (cause there's no normal psych in my highschool) and i just read about classical conditioning and pavlov and they said nothing about what he actually did
SA S ok boomer
At the end he says "hug a dog for me" like hugging dogs wasn't already in my plans for the week
If Pavlov did this today, he'd be a monster. Back then, dogs were not our "family". Most, if not all, people didn't think animals had emotions, intelligence, or felt pain, like RUclips Trolls.
I don't agree - cruelty to animals has been condemned for thousands of years. It is prohibited in the bible and was condemned by such people as Leonardo da Vinci and Charles Darwin (according to Wikipedia).
How many are watching because of the youtube bell .. Hmmmm
Really, are you unaware that millions of dogs are being subjected to the same atrocities and abuses today?
Dogs have always been our family. Just read the roman gravestones for their dogs.
"Like RUclips Trolls"
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
"You still here? Why? "
Because I wasn't warned this one time and I watched the videos. I KNOW what he did. Joe you did the right thing. Warning us was the best choice
Must be annoying having bongos play every time you turn around... it's gotta make sneaking a snack out of the fridge at night impossible.
:D
Now _that's_ funny! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I want to hear crunch sound at some point instead
@@Psycorde I think changing the sound would be great, but it would affect a lot of viewers negatively
Just walk backwards, stupid
I studied pavlov as part of my degree and i cried writing my paper.
"Family Guy" has a scene where Brian gets to go back in time and bash Pavlov.
That scene made me think better of Seth MacFarlane. Not many people know what Pavlov actually did.
Really? I never saw that episode I guess
That’s where I heard about it
dezzlok thats why I’m here cuz I’m curious about Pavlov
Hahahah I was gonna mention it...brian fuck him up good...lol
even dogs are experimented on today…about 10 years ago we adopted a dog who came from a dog food testing facility. he was absolutely traumatized. we had him for 6 years and he always hid in my parents room. he was so scared of any movement. he NEVER barked. ever. i can only imagine how badly he was beaten for barking while in his testing facility.
i will add he sadly passed from kidney failure due to his years in testing. so sad. he was such a sweet dog. (a Scottish terrier i will mention, so not just some lost mutt. i assume he was a runt and was sold off. (not that it makes it any better)) this facility was in the U.S. we adopted him from a college vet tech program in WI.
Next week: Schrodinger's Cat - The Shocking Truth!
That it is a thought experiment?
It was a real cat?
It a theory. Duh.
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Having watch so many videos by Joe, this has to be one of my favorites. The way it starts with Joe holding Zoe at the beginning, I never get bored of watching that.
Family Guy taught me that there was something wrong about Pavlov because Brian wanted to go back in time to kick his ass.
Basing morals on cartoons is pathetic
Lol me too. I had no idea about this side of Pavlov until family guy made me curious. Gotta love them
@@SuicideRedemption naaaw its not cause if you know what type of cartoon your watching you will understand why the characters do such things
@@SuicideRedemption Taking this a bit too seriously, bud
@@SuicideRedemption Political cartoons are everywhere, and illustrate valid points.
7:55 One correction: Classical conditioning isn’t the same as positive/negative reinforcement.
I don't think he's saying it's the same thing, I think he's saying it's derived from similar experiment's.
Don't forget that many students trying to be doctors and a few "scientists" were grave robbers... I remember one specifically that electrified the body parts to study the effects; it was the inspiration for Frankenstein.
A lot of our history is filled with stuff like this, where we learned something from the misfortune of another.
Great video!! Keep rockin' it!!
I guess the best terrible Example from the last few Years is Joseph Mengele.
Even though his Experiments were terrible they propelled the medical research forward a Lot .
Joseph Davis You are SO on the right channel.
Electrifying a stolen corpse is one thing. The only suffering is the emotional grief of the family - IF they find out.
But torturing animals to further human medicine should stop. Offer it as paid "work" to inmates... fully informed of course.
As for mengele? He was a sadist. Stone, cold evil SOB sadist. It's questionable about how truly valuable his experiments were to anything.
id think the dead would be happy their corpses were advancing medicine for the world, and its not like it negatively impacts them so thats a very minor thing at worst in my opinion
But context is important here. Without it the people performing morally dubious or reprehensible acts are easy to dismiss as unfeeling or monstrous uniformly. The practice of grave robbery and its relation to he medical profession was an unfortunate byproduct of of the church in Europe allowing no circumstance in which the body could be studied, which prevented the reacquisition of the medical knowledge lost in the sack of Rome. Without grave robbing surgery would have been impossible to practice on anything but the living (or animals if anyone thought of it).
Medicine is the science of the distastefully visceral. At best you're working with the bodies of volunteers after their dead. At worst, you have some of the truly twisted, unethical to the point of outright evil, experiments of the 20th century. So Far. But it's always a trade-off of harm or the risk of harm now for helping later, and it's never very morally clean. All that anybody can do is hope that restraint and conscience wins out over ambition and inquisitiveness where more harm than good would be done, and punish when it isn't.
This just goes to show how much history gets edited to make it sound better than it really was. It really makes me wonder what other stuff gets left out of history books that is just as bad or even worse.
Gets a like just for saying, "Pavlov was a f*cking monster."
#Pavlov_did_nothing_wrong
should have tested in humans like MK-ultra
I totally agree. If we humans want to know if say, a medication cures something in humans, THEN TEST ON HUMANS. I mean we can say yes or no. Pigs and rats, no one has asked. Also, I like to say to my 9th grade Biology teacher, you SUCK for naming the class pet after this Monster. That's some messed up thinking.
@@stephaniewright898 so much snowflakery :( There is nothing more important, than human live, and that is just because we are humans. Species LITERALLY are at war as a whole, and we are so incredibly far ahead, that most people do not have to think about it. But if you equate value of a rat's live to that of a human, you are in desperate need of reality check.
savior
my parents was born in Soviet union, my dad had a friend in a medical school when he was in college, even in the Soviet union times if you were studying in medical school, then you had to catch stray dogs or cats and perform operations on them to study medicine, that friend told my dad that the animals he operated on would haunt him in his dreams
Me, doesn't skip ahead: psssshh i can handle it
Me after 50 seconds: 😐 i should have skipped ahead.
I take it you haven't seen the Russian severed dog-heads. :D
@@tibfulv 😑😑😑and i will live out the rest of my days without ever witnessing such horrors.
I have seen the Russian severed head dogs. It makes you wonder why anyone dies or has brain damage if that dog can still have a normal life after what happens.
I lasted 5 seconds after he started describing the experiments. I immediately skipped ahead.
Google vivisection.
Could you do a video on antibiotic resistant bacteria? Love the show, keep killin' it.
Pavlov?
Doesn’t r-
Doesn’t ring a-
Doesn’t ring a bell.
I'm taking a psychology class and it just happens to be that you're talking about the subjects I'm learning about, thanks! You're channel is actually helping me in school
From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU for putting in that trigger warning. Emotionally, I do not have the bandwidth to handle those kinds of stories right now. Seriously, thank you.
Why can't you emotionally handle sad history right now? I hope you're okay and doing well.
"That app might just ring a bell"
-found on RUclips.
*Notifacation-squad starts salivating*
I stayed for knowing science and what actually happened.
But damn that made my stomach hurt
I will say that stuff we've learned from sufficiently old historical atrocities like this I would not want buried. We're not going to prevent those dogs from being killed & tortured by denying what we learned, but we can de-sanitize the reputations of people like Pavlov. Arguably we have; think about how they felt it had to be done in the first place. Then, next time someone says "it's okay to work with [secretly: torture] animals for humans cuz old Pavvie did it" we can really set the record straight.
Knowing what we are capable of, to prevent it from happening again, is not a lesson I want forgotten.
joe di lellio it still happens every day !
From what I understand, the general lack of concern for test subjects is ubiquitous with early 'scientific' studies. Sometimes it was ignorance on the part of scientists, but others were ~bleeping~ monsters, as you describe.
When it's a choice between learning something or not... it's the sacrifice they were/are willing to make. Being attached and feeling emotional about the test subject won't be beneficial, so you'd expect that they'll try to distance and isolate themselves in this regard instead. As to both avoid uncomfortable emotions and guarantee better results.
@@Psycorde Well, you can consider ethics without being emotional. Often times it was a willingness to go against taboo's that brought scientific breakthroughs, particularly in the field of anatomy and physiology. Also, most of the time, questionable ethical behavior is acceptable so long as the subjects of study are not human, or 'less human.'
That said, you don't throw out legit leaps of insight and knowledge b/c the discovery came via questionable means. Yet, we rarely hear about the true levels cruelty used to obtain the results.
Kurt Barryman,
Source?
Scientist did much worse to humans and still do.. don't research it
I'll be hugging EVER dog I see for the next year! Even the ones that try to rip my face off. Thanks Joe!!!
"When I say Pavlov, you probably think of something like that"
No Joe, I think of a Pavlova.
Agreed
*starts drooling
I JUST LOVE JOE. He must be protected at all cost.
Ive been binge watching this channel for weeks.
I taught my dog to have food when I ring bell, and then once rang bell without food, now my cat is missing.
“Why are you still here?”
BECAUSE I NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH JOE! THE LIES MY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHERS TOLD ME WILL NOT HINDER ME ANY LONGER!
I rang a bell, and my dog stopped eating. Then he requested a different tune.
He didn't want to hurt your feelings.
Don't fear the reaper?
I rang a bell, and my dog reported me to Twitter for hate speech
Lol every time you said food in the beginning your dogss ears perked up lol
Wow. It's amazing how often a classic story turns out to be a sanitization.
THANK YOU!!! Im doing a presentation on him and this is a life saver!!
Eh, Russian scientists and dogs have a “rough” track record. I also always felt bad for Laika who was pretty much purposely sent to space to die during the space race
The data collected during Laikas Mission helped the scientists to learn about the effects of spaceflight on the body and thereby it allowed them to shoot Gagarin into space with a much lower risk of him dying.
Also she wasn’t just ignored after her death, she became known as a symbol of science and space exploration and many people remembered her and her (involuntary) death for the advancement of science
NA NA Thats just bs. Saying that non-European cultures dont care about animals is nothing but Eurocentric bs.
Other cultures (like Hindu-culture) hold the lives of animals much higher as our culture.
Western nations consume the most factory farmed meat worldwide. How can that be if we supposedly care more about animal lives and their suffering than other cultures?
@@yourlocaltoad5102 It's not that humanity cares about all animals, it's that we care about specific animals that we see as "sacred". To the Egyptians the cat was a sacred animal and was protected. In some beliefs, it is stressed that you don't harm certain animal. The same sort of thing happens, in a non religious way, here in the west; dogs, cats, and horses are seen as companions, while in other cultures they're livestock like other animals. It's all about cultural norms.
@@yourlocaltoad5102 Gagarin survived his flight, but later he was the backup for Komarov, who went up instead, and was not nearly so lucky.
Zypherus Yeah, thats basic knowledge.
It’s just that stating that other cultures value animals lifes and wellbeing’s as much as we do (as NA NA said) is plainly wrong.
Especially since we in the west still have hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions of pets living in shelters where many of them are killed or since we kill millions of cows, pigs, chicken, etc just for our consumption. Saying that we care about animals whilst other cultures dont do so (as much) in general is pretty ignorant of the things all these animals have to live through
The humour in this video is exactly why I love this channel so much
Thanks Joe, now I can't get those images out of my head! I remember in school Pavlov was depicted as being a benign dog whisperer/trainer. No mention of the intestinal juice extraction!
The fact that this was considered "fine" should be a sobering warning to what is considered "fine" at any given moment in time, including now.
Me before the warning: It can't be that bad
Me, after: Oh :X
He didn;t graft half a dog onto another dog like some Russian experiments did though. I think Joe had an episode on that too.
I had more sense and skipped that bit because I love dogs and all animals and don't want to remember what I can't forget. Self preservation, and thanks to Joe for the warning!
I'm scrolling through the comments trying to decide whether to watch the rest...
Poor doggies :'(
@@FreeStuffPlease . . . yes, poor doggies, and poor rats, and poor mice, and poor apes, and poor bunnies, and . . .
Science without a moral compass is very dangerous. Heck, humanity without a moral compass is INSANELY CRUEL.
"Congratulations, you are a Scientist!" Lol, I lost it.
This end does not justify the means. The fact that this one sequence of atrocities led to a useful result was not predictable, and there would be no way to determine if a similar set of actions would also produce benefits. The number of horrible cases of abuse that have no good outcome is staggering and depressing to think about, and none of them can be excused.
I like this dark Mister Roger's version of Joe.
I have a few formerly feral cats, whom I have conditioned to come to me when I whistle a specific tune. I would whistle this tune every time I fed them, every time pet them, and every time I (later once they would allow it) brushed or groomed them. They all still come to me when I whistle this tune.
Nothing like being traumatized first thing in the morning.
Yeeeep Thursdays are a gamble now
@@UncleWermus It's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.
It gets even worse if you watch it before you go to bed...happy thoughts ..happy thoughts, oh dammit what have I done?!
@@mariacrisan5975 haha 😆
A good history of the dark side of classical conditioning is the Little Albert Experiment. In this study, a toddler was given cute, soft things like a rabbit to play with, and then they made the toddler terrified by playing loud sounds. The result was the child not only being irreversibly afraid of soft, fuzzy things, but he was mentally scarred for his entire life.
That dog looks SOOOOOOO happy
I WANT MORE
EDITE: YOUR DOG, NOT ONE OF THE DOG WHO WAS EXPERIMENTED ON.
Lol
He seems pretty content with being snuggled on camera.
Hello. Dog trainer here for a major pet retailer and he is accurate. When getting certified we learned alot about the shiny side of pavlov's experiments. I even gave examples of how humans become conditioned to help them understand their dogs better
Thank you for mentioning todays animal testing. The thing that horrifys me most is how this changed to a nice story. I cried over this when researched it for a school exame. You can argue about the necessaty aspecially today. BUT I think you should never gloss over how you achieve things. Tell children their burger was a living animal. Be aware how your medicine (or worse cosmetics) were tested. I think we need to face what we are doing and if we aren't able to stop testing, eating and using, we realy need to make their lifes better!
1:30 'to perform a reflex is to pair a conditioned stimulus with a neutral stimulus. Best explanation of the Pavlovian conditioning. Thank you
Video ideas: type 1 diabetes research, north sentinel island, Joes mullet back in 2006
"Creatively named 'The Work of the Digestive Gland" lmfaoooo
Funny thing is, in Russia, where I come from, all of what you have said - except the "he sold the gastric liquids" part - is taught in a school. Including the holes, the mutilation, the harness, and even, in some biology books, his lab is mentioned as the factory that conditioned dogs so to speak. When I saw this video I went "Oh christ what horrors did he commit" and then you spoke of this topic so I got confused. Then I remembered that a thing called "difference in perspective" exists. Still, good video, but damn, I feel sorry for anyone who didn't know this and saw this video, they were better off not knowing this in all likelihood.
Daniel The Demon you’re right and i didn’t. except now i know a little - that’s enough! thanks.
if you want to study for med school entrance exam in romania you learn about the pavlov dog and most teachers tell you about the mutilations and everything beside the gastric juice
Leon Trotsky . . .
"A means can only be justified by its end. But the end in turn needs to be justified."
[Wasn't Trotsky killed with the 'end' of an Ice Axe?]
At the end when you said "hug a dog" I had just walked in my apartment and my dogs greeted me with excitement and love and I sat on the couch and gave them giant hugs while they licked my face clean !
So Awesome
The fact the society benefited from a terrible person doesn't make that person any less terrible.
Michael Vick: I’m sorry for my actions.
Ivan Pavlov: Hold my bell.
I feel bad you had to deal with the research into this subject.
Whenever someone mentions a comfy chair my brain automatically thinks of the Spanish inquisition as Monty python conditioned me into that
William Morgan i thought nobody would expect that?
Whenever I hear a vacuum cleaner I think of Saturday morning cartoons lol
William Morgan that’s not condition a reflex. That’s a memory association. Dogs don’t control drool. It’s automatic. So to control it with a sound instead of food was the discovery.
@@gtb870 that is the correct response
William Morgan, shall I tie thee to... THE RACK!
I love your pup, so adorable!
Another great show, this is truly one of my favorite channels.
I don’t know how many takes that intro took, but Zoe is such a star. She hit every cue!
That dog smells fissy.
Cute dog. But. I know it isn't Joe's fault, but that thing is a genetic disaster.
Anyone who can make that kind of sick shit as funny as you did has a real talent with comedy. Love when you mix that aspect in
You are hilarious. Mr. Scott.
amen
amen
Is that a quote from Mr. Spock?
I appreciate how objectively this video was made.
Thanks for the warning Joe. Had to bounce from this one. Much appreciated.
Another well done video. Good job Joe.
the whole fluid draining thing sounds completely unrelated to his actual discovery, so no it wasnt justified in the slightest
Oh he did other horrific stuff - DON'T google pavlov dog experiment pics unless you want nightmares. XO
You gotta remember this was the 1800's. Back then it was justified in the scientific community. In fact it was the morally correct way to do things. Some other scientists at the time would go as far as using human subjects instead of animals. It's a horrible, horrible thing, but it could've been much worse.
Zypherus but it should’ve been much better.
Arguably if he did not raise money he would not have completed that and other research. So it can be justified from that end.
@@NandR How would he have done it better ?
Thanks for the heads up. See you at your next post.
Every time I hear bongos, I can't help but spin around in my seat. :-(
Literally the only video of yours that I can’t finish…
If you want, as you say, a scene from "Frankenstein or the Reanimator", then I suggest doing an episode on the doctor who transplanted a monkey's brain into another body.
More than one level of disturbing when you hear the details.
Dr. Robert White, a neurosurgeon at Case Western Reserve University, in 1970. I'm a little peeved you didn't search that for me, but maybe it's for the best that you don't put that on your Google search profile. ;P
Coincidentally, Pavlov's daughter ran a huge private dog shelter at her country estate outside St. Petersburg, Russia long after Pavlov's death. A journalist friend of mine did an interview with her back in the nineties. She was a bit crazy but obsessively compassionate towards dogs. For obvious reasons.
• Don't forget the Russian "scientists" who made several two-headed dogs. And the ones shot into space. Russians. 😒
• Menegele and Unit 731 experimented on humans. The _Star Trek: Voyger_ episode "Nothing Human" tackles the "do the ends justify the means?" debate. (The correct answers are, perhaps not surprisingly, "They do _and_ don't" and "It depends". :-\)
• While researching your decapitation video, you may have heard about the rats whose heads were (recently) chopped off to monitor their brain activity. (Doing a search for Languille brings up the guillotine. 🤦) This kind of crap still happens _now_ . 😒
• As you mentioned, Pavlov was more interested in the biology which is why he wanted to measure the amount of saliva and gastric juices rather than just noting that they salivated. Most people think he just observed them drooling, not the gruesome specifics, and the drawings of the experiments don't help since they usually omit the apparatus.
Well, the research on head transplants helped in understanding how the mind is cabled to the body and shooting dogs into space helped us understand how spaceflight affects the body, which led to us being able to shoot people into space with at least some knowledge on wether or not they might survive it.
Without this research we now would know a lot less.
Sadly science sometimes needs people to do terrible things, if they wanna find something out whilst only using the technology availiable to them in their time.
@@yourlocaltoad5102 if not animals we would be sending people into lower orbit to test. the choice is clear
Thrill98 Yeah, I know.
Advocating against the use of animals as test subjects for certain fields of science means that one wants humans to be used and thereby possibly die.
I do not know how anyone could be against animal testing when the alternative means risking human lives.
@@yourlocaltoad5102 I think they used to have death row or just prisoners volunteered for experiments for shorter sentences. Not saying let's do that but the idea has been broached before. And ofcourse everyone knows of the Japanese and German experiments on prisoners during WWII
Excellent considered reply
Before this video starts, I want to state that Pavlov, a Russian scientist, who was not fond of Germans, then cut the cheeks out of German Shepard dogs, and replaced them with glass so he could view the salivation of the dogs, in order to conduct an experiment to determine if dogs salivated when a bell was rang, due to a conditioned response. Great man.
The price of progress...time will judge our actions, let them judge them well
Forgot to add---
The only reason I'm familiar with Pavlov is because I like researching facts behind nearly everything.
I have an eclectic nature.
I love knowledge.
Schrodiger had a zombie cat.
Did he? Or didn't he?
We are waiting for an observer to expand.
Both dead and alive means undead.
In Which Dimension would she still be alive in. i would prefer that univers. The cat would be a zombie in some other Universe. Dead in another and then in yet another Multiverse she turns into God from so much undying.
I was a research assistant back in the day. You would not believe the hoops investigators have to jump through in order to perform experiments on animals, at least in the US. Every effort must be made to ensure that experimental animals' pain and suffering was minimized, including sedatives, anesthetics and pain killers when necessary. Careful records had to be kept to explain why animals were necessary, as opposed to other methods, like cell and tissue culture, whether the procedures might cause pain and why, and what steps were taken to mitigate it. Inspectors from the FDA and DoAg would perform audits and any discrepancies would lead to fines. We had a staff veterinarian to make sure the animals were as healthy as possible, since sick animals could skew the results. And to perform euthanasia when necessary. Pavlov would not have been able to do his experiments, much less profit from them, today with all the restrictions.
All of that being said, I'm an animal lover and I love animals of all kinds from the water bear to the blue whale, and I'd prefer that animal experimentation was unnecessary. But in some cases it is a necessary evil. Fortunately with improved techniques and computer modeling, the use of animals is declining. Furthermore, it's important to realize that while animal experimentation is primarily for the improvement of human medicine, veterinary medicine also benefits from it quite greatly.
We're learn that in school in Russia, 8 or 9 grade biology.
They certainly used to teach about this experiment in gruesome detail when I was at school, true. Not sure they still do though. Coincidentally, what I am quite sure of is that judging by your grammar, studying English hasn't left as big an imprint on you as finding out about Pavlov's experiment *winkyface*
@@annaboo1946 Wow, what an unnecessarily unkind answer. I'm sure when you consider the challenges you faced when mastering your own second, third, fourth, etc languages, you can have a little more understanding for this guy.
@@camez2345 calling people names and insulting them might be deemed unkind (despite this, these behaviors are rather widespread online). Being a sarcastic asshole and goofing on people is not unkind, just childish and kind of lame, two traits I admit I have demonstrated excessively in my previous comment. Also, you never know, sometimes being goofed on can motivate people to actually pay attention and not to sound (and be) illiterate.
Anna Boo your way is NOT the way to do it! if you have a sensitive child, s/ he’s going to feel bullied - not good, ya know? from experience!
@@feralbluee so now saying that a person should have paid more attention in class is considered to be bullying.
We were actually taught this in school in Russia. Without the part of him comercially producing and selling "dog juices" and without the info that dogs were not fed and died so quick. But we had very illustrative pictures and photos of dogs with saliva and stomach acids collectors and where the holes were made.
I studied this before, but I had suppressed the gnarly details, thanks for making it all come back, I hate it.
I love how Zoe's ear satellite up whenever you said "Food." As a Frenchie owner myself I often use my dog as a prop to illustrate points. My friends are like, "Yep, we get it, but what does Blue have to do with it?" Me: "The EARS, ingrates! Watch the EARS!"
Having "rung" the notifications bell, Joe uploads...we come running 🏃 as soon as we see it...Palovian?
I think so 😁
Edit: I'm officially traumatized 😭
@john smith maybe...
We were taught about Pavlov's dog for Health and social care and nursery nursing. I've noticed it with my own children (not ringing a bell for food) different events during the day would produce different behaviour s. When I was conscious of it I would try and gear towards positive play and reward .. but with a toddler and a child with A.D.H.D it was hard to be so allert to this 24-7 but I tried my best . That was years ago they're both big giant yetis now .
I remember watching a video where a guy rang a bell just before shooting his roomate with an airsoft gun, eventually his roomate would immediately cower into a defensive position whenever he heard the bell.
So yes, definitely seems to work on humans! Haha
Edit: Actually, I don't think that he used a bell ring as the trigger sound... I think it was something like that sound a Windows desktop PC makes when you login to your account... Lol.
Edit 2: Found it! ruclips.net/video/Eo7jcI8fAuI/видео.html
I need a link to that video now, please.
That... kinda sounds like intentionally giving people PTSD.
Same thing happens to me when ever I hear my alarm clock sound
@@danielr5343 Found it! ruclips.net/video/Eo7jcI8fAuI/видео.html So it was an Easy button thingy.. but close enough.
Correlation is not causation ignoramus.
And this is why it is Important to read the method in scientific research. Not just the abstract.
"Could it be argued that human progress is only possible through the suffering of others?" Would we have all of this technology if Nazi's werent a 'thing'? Would we have medication that keeps us alive without exploiting/extorting remote tribes? Hard to say...
@@jimmyjames6318 Nazi's did 'horrific' experiments during their reign. However, because of those actions the medical field was advanced. Some phara companies learn their recipes from remote tribes that have been testing and experimenting for hundreds if not thousands of years while giving them inadequate 'gifts' in response. Question is, would we be as advanced without exploiting them?
@@keenfire8151 Not to forget that the first practical "computers" were built to shorten the calculations of artillery trajectories (correct me if I'm wrong).
The horrors of one generation benefit the next :/
not that hard really. we probably could eventually achieve at least some of that sweet, sweet progress even without such questionable means, but we'd definitely be far behind compared with the current state of things.
Actually, it seems that most of the Nazi experiments were done shoddily and many were done for cruelty's sake alone than for any scientific purpose. Few of their experiments resulted in anything scientifically useful, and most of their more useful experiments are un-reproduceable, for obvious ethical reasons.
One of the first proto-computers was built to defeat the ENIGMA code of the Nazis, but I hardly think attributing that to them is fair.
Never learned the scary stuff in ap psych- but I learned it in sophomore health class
Oh yeah I remember when I was taught this at phisiology class, the details were...
And I'm a vet student so you can imagine all our faces lol.
Also when we learned up to certain point in time, people thought animals didn't feel pain, which meant... no anesthesia.
@@jimmyjames6318 Dark times I guess?
Thing is they'd also apply immovilizations to the animal to do surgery, without the cancelling of consciousness (IDK how to translate all of this to english properly)
So you'd have the animal unable to move, but still fully awake, aware, and feeling.
Nowadays some really ignorant veterinarians still do that! (Ones that don't know how to make a proper protocol for anesthesia)
Thanks Joe, I was one of the skippers
Delightful video (as usual) ! Thank you so much!
Try to dive into Mengale and his influence on modern medicine.
(or japanese unit 731)
Vladimir Demikhov performed more Soviet dog experiments in the '50s including head transplants. In one case the live head of a puppy/juvenile dog was surgically attached to the neck of a German Shepard (resulting in 2 heads). Some survived the surgery, only to die up to 29 days later due to tissue rejection.
He was a pioneering organ transplant surgeon, but some of his experiments seem incredibly cruel.
I studied this I college and knew nothing othe than the bells.
You are missing some letters bro/sis/person
I'm not a dog person but I really appreciate the warning. Upvoting and moving on, thanks.