P0017 code 2007-2014 3.6L GMC Acadia Traverse
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2022
- How I used a scan tool to diagnose this code. This is the same crankshaft used in 3.6 for
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2008-2011 Chevrolet Malibu, 2010-2011 Chevrolet Camaro, 2013-2014 Equinox, 2008-2009 Equinox Sport, 2009-2014 Traverse
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2007-2009 Pontiac G6, 2008-2009 Pontiac G8, 2008-2009 Torrent
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2005-2011 Buick LaCrosse, 2008-2014 Enclave, 2004-2006 Rendezvous
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2007-2014 GMC Acadia, 2013-2014 Terrain
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Great video!! I am currently working on one of these, it is throwing both P0016 and P0017. What is throwing me off is I figured if it was the reluctor wheel it would have thrown codes for all four camshafts. I will graph the counters this afternoon. Thank You!!
Hey I know it's been 5 months but I'm having these same two codes. What ended up being the problem for you?
@@tylermoore7900 I'm also having the same exact issue. What ended up fixing it?
Wondering if you guys ever figured those codes out? What was the fix?
@@edwintheking1007 yea sure did. Mine ended up needing the timing chain replaced.
Good video bro I'm in this situation right now so I'm going to take off the transfer case and check the crankshaft wheel
If that is the only code, I'd say, fo for it.
Wow, thanks. I have this code as well as a few others like P0008, P0496, and P0011🤷♀️🙆🥴🥴thanks for this video❤️❤️❤️
If you have more than one code related to the timing, you may have something else going on, or a series of things. Good luck.
very helpful and expierienced information! Thank you! Bye! :)
YOU ARE A GREAT MAN ❤
I have my car in shop right now. They were going to do timing chain on it, but they are checking this first. Here’s what’s been going on. Every once in a while it would throw a light. I’d shut it off then it would be fine. While light was on it would run rough. Well here lately on cold start it would have high rpms and be bouncing from 1100 to 1400 cutting in and out. Once warm it would idle at 600 with a feel of a mis fire. So I cleaned throttle body. Seemed to get worse. When running down the road, sometimes it would lurch. This has been going on for a good 6 months. Would changing the actuator fix any of that. Should I have just replaced the throttle body? I’m guessing with planning on chaining timing chain, and then now checking this first, they are getting same code. My cpu wouldn’t read old codes that aren’t there anymore
Well explained.
You have a great automotive repair channel, We have a Launch X431 new scan tool coming, Not sure if you like to test and use it in diagnosis videos.
Informative, nice video. question, would dropping oil pan be easier than removing the transfer case on that? 👍✌️
If you have a loose reluctor, the engine needs to be removed, and the crankshaft needs to be replaced. Unless you have a better idea.
Fantastic video! Its interesting how just the p0017 code was thrown despite other codes available for actuation on other cam banks potentially being mismatched (p0116 etc..) remained intact? I've got a feeling many mechanics have been fooled by this code and an improper expensive repair protocol was followed. Ouch ! Does this scenario require a replacement crankshaft? Thank you for taking your time to prepare a very insightful video.
Yes. If the reluctor is loose, or moved, and is in the wrong location, the crankshaft will need to be replaced.
@@RustBeltAuto ruclips.net/video/Q7dWfIn6NU8/видео.html I'm getting P0017 and P008 here is a scanner with the sensors. Do you think this is similar to what you said or is it just the chains?
@@JEE7600 probably just chains.
u on my reccomendations))) nice!
What brand and model scanner do you use, thanks, love your videos
This is a Launch x431 pro
@@RustBeltAuto x431 is nice, especially PRO.. I'm jealous; if you got all the addons. ; )
More comprehensive than my mechanic offered,👍🏽 who's hated GM since the bailout. He's gonna have to do until I find more competent service. Have p0017 '08 3.6, 112k mile, Outlook which has cleared the p0017 after several hours of highway. But code returns on typical 5 miles per day driving. Runs great otherwise, but because of the code, can't use the keyless start. Two questions; will the loose reluctor ring be indicative of my stated problem? And second, what is a good scan tool that can diagnose as yours, at a reasonable price? Thanks
You may have a sensor/wiring issue. If the reluctor loosened up, the light would be on all the time. GM is on the dole. There are no reasonable priced scan tools like this.
What type of scan tool do you have and what model? Thank you.
@Beckett Smith it's a launch. There are newer models now. They change up every couple years.
That's why they should have mounted the reluctor and the crankshaft sensor out by the timing cover like on other engines
How much would that job have cost? And is fixing timing chain more expensive than this fix?
Working on an 09 malibu 3.6l P0017. Came in with a crank no start complaint. After some cranking got it to start but runs rough, and P0017. Found the TSB on the reluctor and this video. Checked counters as you show and same results you got, leaning towards reluctor. Pull CKP and look at reluctor with borescope, bar engine over to find edge of counterweight and reluctor gap is approximately 3 1/2 teeth as described by tsb, not the reluctor. Further scanner analysis shows the exh cmp variance 10 to 51 degrees while cranking and no start, continued attempts variance goes to 0 and car starts. Speculating that vvt actuator is bad and not locking at home/park. If this is the case why is the ckp active counter all over the place?
My guess is you have more than one issue. Cmp sensors usually tell the pcm when to fire spark, and time injectors on most cars. Ckp just finds tdc usually for timing. Ckp should not cause a no start on most cars. The vehicle i worked on started, and drove fine.
@@RustBeltAuto bank 1 exhaust cam was a tooth off with a stretched chain. Changed chains and actuators, all good.
@@MikeF421 that is nice to know, thanks! I did not have the opportunity to check the timing on this vehicle. I think he's still driving the thing.
I had the same issue, found a tsb from gm explaining the required position of reluctor wheel, disassembled the oil pan assembly in the car which is not easy.
Weleded the reluctor in the correct position and it solved my issues.
This job is only for experienced mechanics with a number of good tools..it's about 10hrs or more just to remove oil pan while in car.
Gm says its a engine removed job.they are wrong.
Nice to know. Thanks.
I have code p0017 as well. Can you share the tsb you spoke about and guides on the steps you used to reposition the reluctor.
@adamatmoralmotors5167 plz share the tsb name or title or docs and the steps you used to fix it. Thanks
@@paolino8941 if there is more than one code, it may be something else.
So i got P0017 and P0008 code . But engine sound good and car runs fine. I could notice it dose not have same power like before but still drives fine. On idle i can see light fluctuate nothing severe. Oil is replaced every 5000 miles but i have to watch for oil level and was adding up to 1 quart before i have to change oil . There is oil leak on timing cover nothing major. I try to ad lucas oil stop leak did not even use half of 1 quart and that is after some time get P0017 and P0008 code. You think it is timing chain? And how long i can drive before it get worse? All start after acadia was sitting for some time like 3-4 weeks and first it did not want to start starter problem, replace starter and have hard time to start i have to use starter fluid and after that no problem with start. There was oil in spark plug holes and air intake housing , replace valve cover gasket with new stye gasket. It is getting to the point i am going crazy.
Probably.
On a related subject. What is the minimum or maximum cam/crank difference in degrees acceptable for engine to run good? And BTW when you going live again?
Cam and crank values run ignition, and injectors. If it still runs without one working correctly, it goes into a limp in mode, and does some guesswork to create different values in order to run.
No more live streams. Too many a-holes.
@@RustBeltAuto Since you're not going live anymore, I have kindly request you do some educational videos how to use scanner and explain fuel trim parameters and stuff like that.
@@waseemkhan-ms1kt I will try to explain things out when I get something that is broke, and need to fix it. You will not see me whiteboarding anything out.
Having the same issue on my '09 Traverse, P0017 code only. Changed the Bank 1 B sensor thinking it was that and got the code again after a few miles. Went back to the old google machine and found this video (very informative, thanks!) Curious, car seems to run ok, little sluggish, has 173k miles on it so I know it's short lived... any reason to NOT continue driving it until it finally gives out?
Hope you got AAA.
It was just getting interesting and the customer screw with us. Wonder what the waveform on the signal wire would look like on the oscilloscope.
It should be 3 wire 5v sensor. The signal wire will produce a 5v square wave. It would probably show inconsistacies, but if you don't know how, and when the tooth count is supposed to look, it will probably throw you off.
@@RustBeltAuto Ivan at Pine Hollow channel had one of these (surprise surprise LOL). He was challenged to decipher "known good" waveform from a bad one. They looked nearly identical, and overlaying the Cam 1 & 2 intake and exhaust waveforms on the Oscilloscope made it even more difficult. Just a shetshow of an engine design.
Stay gold.
Most oil sensitive engine iv ever worked with.
What if my camshaft position sensor is not working at all all the other sensors gives me readings but that one stays at 0 always would that be the issues the sensor?
I don't know. If you believe a cmp is not working, A graphing meter will tell you.
I get your point as far as how the data looks. But I’d something was wrong with the crank reluctor. Shouldn’t it throw a correlation code for all 4 cams ?
A P0017 is a pretty vague code. It can mean a few things. Correlation is one of them. The 4 cams are probably in sync, but not the CKP with B1 CMP.
@@RustBeltAuto but how can it be in sync with all of them except one?can u help me understand
@@elilopez2517 the 4 cams are in sync. Ckp needs to be in sync with one cmp, and it's not.
@@RustBeltAuto what then is the issue if it says CKP - CMP correlation bank 1 senso B?
@@paolino8941 that is different than p0017. Probably a timing chain or solenoid issue.
Is that a snap on or the harbor freight scanner?
Is this the guy that RIP'd me?
Boss where r u located i have a 3.6 liter saturn aura inhave a P0017 P0018 and P0019 could u help me point out exactly at the right direction?
I'm the boss of nothing, located in outer space, and those codes usually tell you that you have a timing chain issue.
I have Po018 - Crankshaft Postion sensor- CAMSHAFT postion Correlation Bank 2 Sensor A.
Is this crankshaft senor or Camshaft sensor???
And where the hell is bank 2 sensor A located.
Plz , need some assistance
P0018 is somekind of camshaft issue. Bank one is always the side that has the fartest cylinder forward.
Great Video. Let's talk about how dirty that engine looks like 💩 and that oil fluid leak under the crankcase.
He doesn't want you to do any work because he knows that thing is crap.
When people break a vehicle I don't understand why even waste your time to ask what's wrong when they ignore regular oil changes and drive it like a lunatic.
Most all these vehicles 90% of the time they break cause of lack of maintenance and poor driving.
After 25 years of experience as a Master Mechanic the moment I pop a hood and I see a dirty engine bay and the inside of the car, truck or suv looks like sht I know it's a wrap on the repairs. 💯
I tell family and friends if they don't have a repair manual with the maintenance recorded or paper work like a bill from everything done walk away fast especially if the engine and interior looks like crap.
I needed to approve your comment, because of likely spam. That usually happens, because you are a real smooth talker, and everyone wants to hear it.
What kind of scan tool are you using ?
Launch
What kind of scanner do you have
Got a Launch this time around. It's almost expired. Planned obsolesence ya know.
i have this code listed by my scan tool as permanent will not clear sounds like this is definitely my problem ? know of any vids on repairing the problem
I do not. If it is in fact a reluctor issue, and not a sensor, or other problem, most will replace the engine I would bet.
@@RustBeltAuto well i had a crank sensor fault which i replaced then after that developed a crank and cam sensor bank 2 exhaust b fault stating readings out of correlation after replacing second sensor found your video and i about to blow it up
Ok, I'm in this boat, but I have a question... If there is an erratic crank signal, how can the engine run smoothly? Wouldn't spark timing be jumping all over the place?
It takes the values it has from other sensors, and "guesses". There are a few reasons why it can actually run. For instance, a DFI waste burn doesn't really "need" to know TDC on #1. I don't know exactly why, I just know it does, because it does what it does. Limp mode programming also does a lot of guess work.
@@RustBeltAuto so...can you just move the crank sensor and trigger wheel... externally, like other vehicles? And skip the whole removing the engine for no good reason step?
@@Ellington_Industrial_Arts the reluctor is supposed to be pressed on to the crankshaft. It is not supposed to be servicable.
The Ford EDIS trigger, is built into the crank pulley. Just...do the same thing with a 58x reluctor wheel
@@RustBeltAuto no one is going to pay to have a crank replaced...in a vehicle that seems to run normally. I'm proposing a bolt on external solution.
Thanks, a lot, Peter Griffin
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Probably never. I don't want to know what kind if creepy things would end up in my P.O. box.
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Most of the times just dirty screens in VVT solenoids due to lack of maintenance. People believe oil producers and keep the oil in the engine for 15000 miles. On an engine that burns oil, and pretty much all GDI engines do by the time you do oil change you don't have enough oil in your engine and becomes too thick and dirty which will clog those screens and prevent a proper oil flow to the sprockets and as a result proper advance or retarding of the camshafts as comanded. Reluctor moving on the camshaft? Really?
Crankshaft. Really. VVT is off at idle. Is it not?
@@RustBeltAuto I meant crankshaft. Not necessarily VVT is off at idle especially on cold start in newer engines without EGR valve use VVT to reduce startup emissions and speed up de warmup of engine and cats. You have valve overlap which is done by VVT right of the bat.
@Cristi N okay. And how does VVT operation determine ckp sensor function?
I've seen bad readings of ABS sensors because of metal shavings stuck to them, they are magnetic after all. Or corosion in the contact points of the plug to the sensors. I find it hard to believe a reluctor ring that is hard pressed on the cranckshaft has slipped without anything to impede it's rotational movement along with the crankshaft. They say you could verify the reluctor ring is out of position through the cranckshaft position sensor. Anyways without actually verifing that is what happened you cannot absolutely and without doubt diagnose this a case of crancksaft reluctor ring slipped out of position. Just my 2 cents
@Cristi N agreed. However it is rather common for this to happen on these engines. Many people are replacing the ckp sensors on these to no avail. Reading my scan tool, I had no reason to believe anything other than a mechanical problem. The victim did not want me to spend more time on it, otherwise I would have done more.
I have my car in shop right now. They were going to do timing chain on it, but they are checking this first. Here’s what’s been going on. Every once in a while it would throw a light. I’d shut it off then it would be fine. While light was on it would run rough. Well here lately on cold start it would have high rpms and be bouncing from 1100 to 1400 cutting in and out. Once warm it would idle at 600 with a feel of a mis fire. So I cleaned throttle body. Seemed to get worse. When running down the road, sometimes it would lurch. This has been going on for a good 6 months. Would changing the actuator fix any of that. Should I have just replaced the throttle body? I’m guessing with planning on chaining timing chain, and then now checking this first, they are getting same code. My cpu wouldn’t read old codes that aren’t there anymore
You need to read codes, and freeze frame data in order to know how to diagnose it. Timing chains on these are a common failure. I cannot answer your questions, because you create more of them out of nothing.