BLUFFING with BOTTOM PAIR?!
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- This week I share my poker graph and some online hands, where i bluff with bottom pair, hero call second pair and go all in with a very marginal hand. enjoy!
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a lil 20min juicer for the crew. you better watch it all
Yes!. I'm a fan of the different games/hand histories
awesome! will keep it eclectic
Use me as the 'we definitely DO want to see 9max ante tables' button 👇
I just want to see any sort of hands. Even pl5card draw wouldnt disappoint
fuck yea
brb getting in the plo6 streetz
The thing I like about the series is it shows some ool/interesting hands on your poker journey. If those take place at 9 max or HU or in pineapple it really doesnt matter to me. Hearing the thought process is what I like.
that’s very nice to hear mate, thank you! more to come
last hand is fascinating. you were basically spot on with a solver for every step.
1)KQo is indifferent to calling or 4betting pre, with a sprinkling of jam
2)BB leads half the time on the flop
3) KQ with Qd basically pure jam on flop, rest of the KQo combos mostly check back with some small bets. Range still checks back half the time.
4) KQo does mostly jam turn
5) On the river KQo pure calls, but you were right AQo starts mixing folds.
just remember that in game I didn’t have all of these thoughts, but was thinking more in depth after the hand. I don’t think I’d find enough folds with AQ in game either 🙏
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I just LOVE your insight videos and your comments. You are so clear to express your thoughts that is delightful to follow them
very kind mate! thank you!
Much prefer this weeks video🔥
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awesome vids bena, its nice to see a british guy making vlogs and poker vids! hope to see more live games at the vic
thanks bro! many more to come
TT hand - My gut reaction was ”very very easy reshove obv”, but that dramatically changed after some thoughts. Fascinating turnaround.
Flop Rec calls XR- Rec probably fastplays many if not all 35s/95s on flop, and a majority of the sets. This strongly impacts the riverdecision to reshove due to filtering.
Turnsize small- Probably filters out ALL of the very few flop slowplays he had left in his range, and likely filters out all the happily turned J5s/J9. This is very very bad news for a river reshove combined with the flop-analyze.
River BIG Bet - Pretty much all the sets/2pairs should have been filtered away to the river in this node, which very oddly leaves him with str8s & bluffs here when he bets big.
Reshove is just not fun anymore.
haha yeah this seems on the money to me. seems like clear shove and then once you actually break it down, it becomes so much less clear. ty for thoughts mate!
10/10 HHs and breakdown as always
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Thanks for sharing, as always GOLD content.. Loving these reviews
thank you mate!
The ante games are great. I think poker needs more of this in general. Antes and straddles, super deep, no rat-hole, all great introductions to poker
I agree! really prevents bots being effective but also makes colluding a bit easier! overall amazing for the game
Great video, really enjoy your explanations, and love your thinking process, thank you!
appreciate that mate!
Love your video as always! Would love to see some live play and explain sometime.
can’t be giving that kinda info away I’m afraid! but perhaps at 10k give away
Calling river there vs recreational with TT would be a fairly significant mistake imo.
It's really feasible he can just have basically any 2 pair and not fold, even a hand like KJ or AJ they can call here.
Recreational play is more erratic than a lot of regs give credit for, and it's really important to get Max value vs them.
Just my two cents on it, but without a strong read besides "presumed recreational", i think it's very mandatory jam.
100% agree with you - that's why i shoved. i asked cus there was contention in my discord and its cool to bring crossover of opinion from there to my vids!
New Bena vid after work.. lifes good
what a time to be alive
gotta said again , bro really got the best enjoy content on poker , have a nice day 💯😊
thanks bro!
06:42 Look Mom I made an appearance in a BenaBadBeat video, I’m famous now! 😂 Love to see it and love seeing that graph too Bena, As you know that’s the graph I’ve been waiting to see. Well done bro! 🔥
haha thanks mate!
a few 9 handed spots are cool, always good to think about how to play in different types or formats of games
awesome cheers
I see a new upload, I click instantly! Any chance you can convince your mate Clanty to make a similar youtube series with his new challenge? : D
would be niceee
Subbed, can't believe I wasn't subbed before. Such good videos and you always come across as a very likeable person!
cheers karl!
The 1010 hand reminds me of another hand where the villain had a set on the river I believe and just called a bet of hero (instead of shoving) and people where accusing this player of RTA but I think the commentator of the hand looked up the sim and it seemed like a reasonable thing to do since there is no bigger value that calls the raise. I thought it was this channel but I looked back some of the vids and couldnt find it. Maybe someone else knows what hand im talking about? It was definitely in a youtube video.
PS now that i think more about it, I think it was a set over set hand where the hero had a better set than the villain but the villain only called the river bet thus the hero lost out on value.
hahaha yeah you’re talking about my video last week - last hand - I had AA v JJ. maybe you’re trolling though 🤣❤️
@@BenaBadBeatPoker Hahaha, I wasnt trolling just dont have the best memory and somehow skipped over that video to check for it. Could you explain me the difference between the two hands tho? Because the ending is very similar (but reversed hero/villain). Ofcourse the betting before river etc is way different so im curious about the differences
Love all the videos man keep it up
thanks a lot bud, will do 🙏
Selfishly prefer 6-max but honestly just happy to hear your thought process. On the TT hand I am X-shoving river always, feels like leaving potential value on the table. His sizings are weird to me and a bit hard to read but to be honest there just aren't many hands you lose to so there is little downside in my opinion.
cheers simon! yeah the TT i agree - calling and then them having some weird 2p just makes this a complete disaster to call haha
I've been playing some "Big Ante" tables on WPT with 2.5bb in the pot from everyone pre. You can buy-in deep, with stacks regularly 2000bb+. More ante content please! Love the AQ hand. Not sure I'm finding that.
sounds like chaos but very fun! absolutely, more to come
I love full ring hands!!
a man after my own heart :D
In for the 9max hand histories!
noted! ty
For the TT hand the river check-shove seems fine to me but it's not worth obsessing over as hitting a two-outer on the river is such a low probability event that it won't really affect your long-term results either way.
confirmed, tyty
Have you tried having a value hand?
practice what you preach?
how can i have value when i'm always dealt the nothing burger
Easty really wants to call off 700 usd with KQ on a 4 liner in a 4b pot 😅
Love the videos. def want to see some ante games as well. cheers and good luck at the tables
OK we’ll be keeping them in here and there ❤️
I like that 54dd bluff from villain
+1
06:35 No way in my life I am ever not shipping the rest.
Regarding rec having flopped set here with his line- surely, we can discard some, but I think they could definitely still have it. Not to mention randomly played QQ+, J9, AJ.
15:08 - Considering all the things you've mentioned+ the fact we might potentially be splitting with some AQ from Villain, I would flick it in. Although in general, vs fancy lines(which I consider L/R B-B-B to be), I tend to give a bit more credit for value.
thanks for the feedback mate! agree with the TT. yeah hard to expect bluffs in hands 2 but we take it!
really like the way you break down hands here!
personally prefer only 6 max cash hands to answer the question from the video :)
noted, thanks mate. will keep it mostly 6m with some FR since i never have enough hands haha
I think the fact that the guy in the TT hand cold called Q8s pre makes me feel that you have a slam-dunk jam on the river. Makes me feel there's way more 2 pairs in his range than there ought to be and I'm not backing him to bet-fold them.
totally agree with you!
Thanks for another entertaining video Ben :)
thank you maaate!
TT hand seems like mandatory shove vs fish. AQ hand i really liked your logic, and getting 3-1 makes calling seem good. Hard to imagine not having 25% equity in that spot. obv just my 2 cents :D
appreciate your thoughts! I agree for sure 🔥
I like different formats and stakes. I'd like marginal spots like TTT on river to see a comparison to solver output in addition to your own reasoning. Keep up the good work.
thanks for the feedback - we avoid too much solver stuff cus that's when a lot of the audience gets bored but we can flick it up here and there
9 Max with ante hands are very interesting Ben.
noted, thank you!
This tt with your reads its a super close. 87s(4 combo) ,q8s 1 combo , kqs 1 combo vs j9s(2combo) , kjs,(1) ,ajs(1) 53s(2combo). You need to see qq ,kk or other hands but normally fish 3bet this. We can get him some 95s and will be ok but who knows exacly his range , he probably doesnt knew.
Imo its x/r because recs like to slow plays , sizings without exacly reads its usefull and ofc always call this otr (i mean sets).
Gl and keep going ,very good job
yeah this was basically what I deemed to be the range in game and that’s the reason I shoved. and as you kinda alluded to, recs can just have random hands at least some of the time!
i play mainly full ring so im all for the 9max hand histories
more coming your way 🔥
The AQ against the reg played perfectly…most of the times IP is better to call the turn than raise…shove is not wrong, but is weaker move
thank you!
An ante hand in every episode would be nice!
yessirrr
Channel idea: Have you considered making a shorts edit (before the main video) where you don't unveil villains hands?
BTW, I would watch if its only 6max or FR, very good content either way.
that’s a great idea for shorts. I’ll put that to my editor and see whether it’s something we could do! thanks a lot
Aq call river, good to see u finally catch a bluff there buzzing for you mate
Is K river a card that everything oop has to bluff everything? If not dont see any turn barrels shutting down even hearts, probably overbluffed?
i think they will bluff very wideo on the king yes. hard to deem overbluff cus i imagine they're quite selective on the turn!
Def ante hands so much more spicey to analyse
Kq hand like the call. Easy to bluff ajo ak etc. does he need straight to jam?
So blocking kj very good prob has almost no kjo pre? And tough for oop to have much 8x just a8ss i think
Absolute fire content ❤❤
cheers mate. KQ, nah he can jam prob good 2p+. appreciate the feedback bro
The rivered set of tens, I jam all day. Your stakes undoubtedly play hugely different to the 25nl ante games I play but I expect recs to show up with stuff like QQ here sometimes which is snap calling, plus other nonsense that makes little sense.
To answer your question at the start of the video, personally speaking, the more ante game content the better for me.
yeah totally fair - i guess i definitely wouldn't be overly surprised to see QQ tbh. awesome mate, thanks!
I had that A4H guy on some type of King suited hand the whole way, great call.
boom thank you!
Those last two hands 💪
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nice vid, Ben! 6max is the way for me :)
on a side note what are your thoughts on isoR IP 3.5x vs 4x size? - saw you going for the latter here
yoyo, i don't feel strongly either way tbh! im sure the ev is very similar - more of a preference rather than any concrete reasoning
@@BenaBadBeatPoker thanks, Ben! May I also ask roughly what % of hands would you isoR 4x BU vs whopper CO limper for example compared to the regular 42-44% oR 2.5x?
Great vid keep up the Ante games
yes sir!
The last hand is interesting to me because OOP can lead very often in theory if they wanted because they have KJ, QT, QJ, AQ, KQ, TT, 99 much more frequently. So your deviation should be to range X really. Where in theory I think your hand can bet small or jam, maybe jam with the Kd. And OTT jam or call seems fine to me and OTR I hate my life and I would struggle to find the call tbh. I think in theory Ks is worse because he is meant to bet KTss as a bluff OTR but I think in reality it doesn't really matter, he can jam this river extremely wide, plus your 4B sizing sort of allows him to defend more Ax suited hands I think preflop, gives him infinite more bluff combos.
great analysis on the hand! gotta agree with it for the most part. but naturally as always, we can only figure out a small portion of this overall thought process in game 🙏
edit is clean 👏🏼
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TT jam all day. 2 combos of straights vs infinite amounts of hero calls, 2p and sets..
for sure!
@@BenaBadBeatPoker still like betting turn more tho.. not avoiding the outcome in any galaxy tho unless he jams the turn vs bet
The content is extremely good. The thought process really helps me improve, and yes, ante tables are definitely fun to see as well.
As much as I appreciate you being honest about spots you are not well versed in. Do you think you might be giving too much information to the regs in these games with these videos?
thank you! could well be giving a bit away, but I have posted hands for over a decade and still have success in the game. I also am very selective with what I show and even more selective with what I say
@@BenaBadBeatPoker love it. Building the bankroll. Hope to meet you at the live tables in London soon.
I’m absolutely shoving the tens . People don’t like folding sets and villain can def have smaller sets
excellent!
In the last hand what 8x are in the 4betting range ? As far as the 3betting range, I assume there are a few but with small frequency
some yes! A8s main 4b hand in range 🙏
Haha such a needle when he congratulates villain on losing a hand "The very very well played, 4 5 of diamonds"
wasn't even being sarcastic! legit vwp hand
@@BenaBadBeatPoker Yeah i agree. It just comes off as a needle anyway. Should get a T-Shirt made up.
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Nice video! Why are some nickname covered?
like to keep players (especially recreationals) anonymous!
Team 6-Max here!
reasonable ❤️
good pokering😄
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So scary... I had exaxt same spot as 4:00 with A5s yesterday. The board was 497 39. I jammed river aswell and got snapped by K9s nh to them Kappa
ripppp
Great vid, do u record your whole session or use something to clip last x minutes for getting the hh footage?
record entire session and make notes on the timestamps of interesting potential pots to share. then go back and crop to put in obs when i record. it was quite an arduous task at the beginning but i've got a lot faster now. i'm sure that there are much better ways to streamline though haha
I'm biased but I love the ante of course... :)
hahaha i know you dooo
Another banger
boom
Nice plays 👍
thanks harp!
5:25 I feel like your commentary is super results-oriented. Why can he not have sets? 7:12 I don't think so. Also, you lose to just a few combos of flush+backdoor straights on the river (KQ,Q8,87 all spades= 3 combos, JJ = 3 combos) so 6 combos of values you lose to,vs 9 combos of sets on the flop (I argue that many players will not 3-bet them on the flop and barrel turn and river eg exact same line) plus mergy hands like a stubborn A9,AJ, or maybe even J9,T9. Many value combos we win against. It's WAY WAY over 50% of being good when shoving and getting called => This is a clear shove, and you not being sure about it looks very much to be pure results oriented, to the point of losing simple logical thinking.
how is me saying in hindsight id like to see myself bet (because this is a high ev card for us) results oriented thinking? It had nothing to do with their hand/the showdown.
the reason I suggested calling as an option otr also has nothing to do with the fact that I wanted to call - it was because people in my discord said they’d call. you gotta appreciate that you’re catching a snippet of a hand and the goal of RUclips to to create discussion and interest. that may look like result oriented thinking, but at least in this hand, that’s way off the money
@@BenaBadBeatPoker 7:49 "I'm still very unsure about what I think about this hand" is different than "me saying in hindsight id like to see myself bet", which wasn't what you said to my understanding (7:35 "I didn't really love this spot but I did think that we KINDA had to shove our hand emmm" would be the closest to that, but it's very far away from id like to see myself shove,right? In reality a true thought process conclusion would be- I love this spot,and fake-tank shove it 100% of the time).
keeping an open stance is very important for engagement and interaction. people are unable to think for themselves a lot of the time if I speak in absolutes
@@BenaBadBeatPoker just to clarify, against an unknown (or a rec) as played, do you think that this hand is 100% shove (which is by definition absolute), a mix between a shove and a call (say,70% shove, 30% call), or a pure call? Getting that part of our range which is pure strategy (or absolute as per your terminology) is important to any player, and especially to bad players like me, so that's where your "I'm not so sure" reaction when a hand clearly belongs (to my mind) to the pure shove range gets me (also 'i don't love this spot'). If you argue it's a mix, then it a different thing. If you argue it's pure, but you commentated as if you are unsure to make people think, it degrades the quality of the video from an educational perspective , not upgrade it. Finally sorry in advance if any of this sounds too harsh, this is constructive criticism, didn't mean to offend you in any way bro.
I think it’s a shove pure and that’s why I decided to shove in game (I didn’t mix). I hear what you’re saying that the way I was talking can lead to ambiguity. I guess my concern with so much poker content is that people often speak in such absolutes and a lot of the time it isn’t clear cut. lastly I’d just remind that my content isn’t meant as pure education - it is designed to convey the complexity and often unknown as a poker player and in hands.
all good mate, I didn’t think you were trying to be harsh - again I just saw your comment as a reflection of the black and white thinking that I’m trying to avoid in my content 🙏
Thx for the video. Is it fair to assume that bluffing fish in spots where they already invested a lot is maybe not the best idea ? (Refering to A8s).
could well be right but I didn’t know this player at all really. they had the rec on probation easily coulda been a fold happy player
@@BenaBadBeatPoker i see. i always assumed the investment bias make rec overly sticky in big pots and passive in small ones. So i always tried to shy away from big bluffs against them. Do you think im having too strong assumptions ?
hmmm yeah I would say getting a bit caught up in a one-size-fits-all mentality can be quite dangerous. each player will approach spots differently, especially fish!
@@BenaBadBeatPoker thanks for the answer, So you say we can't simplify fish pool to: Overcall or overfold. It is too player dependant ?
No interest in the ante HH, personally
TT vs a rec is a jam. Sure we lose to Q8ss, 87s, KQss, but we also beat J9s, T9s, possibly even AJss, KJss, QJss. Cannot fully discount even a hand like QQ either imo or lower sets. It's thin but vs a rec stick it in and prob get called by some wtf. If he turns out to be tighter and more reasonable later on we can adjust to be more selective with shoves
ah ok, seems there’s a little more people that want a mix but a few diehard 6m fans haha. I get that. as for the TT, totally agree. just had to be a shove. always good to post hands where I’ve already had contention as it adds a bit more exploration for the viewers. ty for 2cents mate!
Im probably folding on king river tbh with our Aqs although we dont have to be right very often .A lot in the pot and villain described as competent and also im probably just calling set of tens just in case.But kinda thin value shoves are my leak sometimes and sometimes saved me some money by not doing it
appreciate your honesty and non-results oriented thinking mate! both felt very marginal, agreed
I have nightmares I might appear on this one day with a whopper
lmfao, will upgrade you to whopper tag if you're not careful
@@BenaBadBeatPoker love it haha
15:00 easy call. he should be close to bluff range there. he maybe even shoves QJ for value. you lack lots of Kx you probably even need to reach deeper with Qx herocalls.
yep nice! don't think QJ shove tho - but plenty of bluffs and then some AQ too
limpin est pimpin
taught by the best
6 max all the way! No nit ring!
haha can appreciate that. although the nitring hands always the spiciest lol
villain should donk flop last hand 4b oop on QT9 i think
also TT hand is so marginal, no reason to waste brain power on worrying about marginal shove vs call when the ev diff is basially nil
yeah think donk is good
dw i didn't waste time - i shoved fairly quickly
Kinda skeptical of the first hand. You mention blockers are great against A9s, which shouldn't be in a BB 3b range vs. BU, and against 98s, which would never be played as a XC-XC. And river don't we just have too much SDV still against KQhh, JThh, T8s, J8s, and even A6, that could all take this line, for us to bluff this?
I think 98 would take this like very very often. they took this like with 76 which is an extremely similar hand after all. I also think flush draws get cbet or check shoved ott, and further to that they should xf JThh
@@BenaBadBeatPoker Eh, I'd say there's a pretty big difference here between top and 2nd pair here. 98s I would still consider a value hand here while 76s is more of a catcher. Like if you xr flop jam turn with 98s here you should still be called by plenty worse whereas 76s would be mostly value cutting itself vs. 88, 87s, A7s etc.
@13:00 , doesn't he always jam AQ of his own for 1/2p? Do u not expect AQ to limp/3b pre?
some regs will do this but not the average 1k reg if i'm honest
@@BenaBadBeatPoker would u say the SB limp raising range is weaker than optimal? I imagine it's only natural to not limp enough strong stuff to begin with and then maybe get a little too excited with the trash part?
good question and I’m not sure. I think I would assume that due to the 1k pool being generally quite cally but not overly agg, the limp raise will still be too nutted
@@BenaBadBeatPoker gotcha, thanks Ben!
Boom
ayyy
I'm always jamming v a recreational simply bc they do weird shit. They will just reopen with QsJs and call without thinking about your range. For $300 in a $1400 pot I dont believe a recreational is ever folding anything they decided to reopen the river with. Unless its one of those super passive recs that only bets the nuts on the river its a clear AI imo.
yep agree mate!
6max only
fair fair
Do you play full ring while playing 6 max?? Im gonna guess there are alot nore recs on full ring? Prob stupid question, if you arent that well studied and still choose to play em? Lol must be? Do enjot your series. Not filtering the KQ 4b hand def got ya his full stack and AQ must be super standard, why raise in position? We wanna keep 100% bluffs in, especially bluffing almost every thing that is beating our hand.
thanks mate! yeah i play both. im only understudied in ante. i have played over 5mil hands of full ring in my life haha
@@BenaBadBeatPoker only 5mil huh lol. God speed bruv, rooting for ya to get all the monies
AQ is gonna way better than KQ since he can happily shove AQo,AQs,AA for value vs KJs. With that said i wouldnt muck KQ either lol
definitely fair enough mate! I still think it’s the other way around but honestly who even knows haha
@@BenaBadBeatPokeru dont Think shoves AQ no? If not then i obv agree with you haha
definitely does but what about AJs and A5/A4/A3s combos
@@BenaBadBeatPokeryeah sure, but the A5s is getting in pre most often, and cant really say if villain Can find a pure bluff with A4,A3 - maybe AJ he Will find pure. But compared to him just having a raw amount of AQ,AA pure in this spot, right? Thats a ton of combos compared
8:54 You mentioned you never have AQo co iso vs. SB 3b. Are you playing 4b/f with AQ?
yeah I think that’ll be my approach
@BenaBadBeatPoker How do you play AQo sb when there are 2 limpers and a 7bb iso? 2 ep limpers, HJ iso 7bb at 100bb effective. All options seem ok to me. 3b > call > fold? All seem pretty equal whether I think of the iso as a 3b or just a raise.
OOP I’ll always 3b AQo and never cold call!
@BenaBadBeatPoker last question. On Wizard, they have 7x ranges, and there is no cold calling, but it goes 7bb to 17bb 3bet OOP (2.5x). I'm used to 3x IP and 4x OOP. But do you agree with a small 3bet size with a tight range OOP vs. these large opens? If fish open large, usually they don't fold to 3bet, so we should go larger. I'm not sure about having two 3bet sizes.
it’s a slippery slope changing your 3b sizes vs rec and reg but if there are no regs behind then you can do what you want
how many subscribers we need for two videos a week?
more than you can crowdsource mate 🤣
@@BenaBadBeatPoker you underestimate my powers!
never ever just calling with TT vs 43 vpip chinese dude
easy!
how can this be road back to high stakes if each week you loose £10k
you misread - it's road back to micro stakes!
Replying here to help the Algorith so you can make RUclips money if your Poker career doesn't succeed.
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thanks bro!