Who Owns Space?
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- Опубликовано: 21 мар 2016
- Several companies are already working on plans to mine space objects, but who owns what in space?
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"We want to mine that asteroid for our own profit." - Wealthy Corporation
"You can't, there is a law preventing it." - Senator
"Here's a bunch of money, pass a law that allows us to do so." - Wealthy Corporation
Sad but true
+TheSwamper The sad thing is that this is true for much much more than just mining asteroids.
+TheSwamper There isn't. If you take the whole thing, it doesn't have an "environment."
+TheSwamper What's the moral argument against individuals, companies or countries mining asteroids, for any reason?
Would you pay billions of dollars just for making gifts for all?
Everyone should pay for the efforts if you use space materials.
Being realistic here, when money gets in the equation all these beautiful treaties get torn apart. The economic exploration of space is a reality approaching fast and is probably what will make humanity advance in space related technologies, not a government agency
Thinking the same thing. The only reason these treaties haven't been trampled to death already is because we simply don't have ease of access to other planets and asteroids. You can bet the moment the technology arrives that allows countries and companies to start taking pieces of the pie with ease is the moment any good will goes out the window and everyone is fighting over it in the exact same way we do with Earth-bound resources.
Most wars are started to make other people rich
Let's be real, it's a combination of who gets there first, and the biggest gun.
well said
LOL True
Zoinks If they can defend it
You can own whatever as long as you can keep others from taking it away from you. Iraq oil, Crimea, Sth China Sea, American Indian land, Asteroid.
+SQW0 Indeed that's exactly how it works.
+SQW0 i thought so too but apparently thats not the case when it comes ot space bodies... but im sure once we are actually able to mine and exploit space laws will be changed.... however i dont see why they would. Assuming people who put up the current space laws thought of most possible scenarios.. think about it.. space is near infinite theres enough things for everyone. The moment we start exploiting space itll be a golden age for a hundred thousand years or longer. There will be no shortage of anything so no point of fighting over it. If one country happens to be first it'll should obviously share it's moon sized refined metal supplies with the rest of the world.
+tulp35000 I am not so sure about that. Yes, space is nearly infinite, but the further you go, the faster you go, the deeper into a gravity well you go, the more expensive it is to get there, and the less desirable that location is from an economic point of view. The most desirable pieces of real estate will be struggled over. Once real money is being made in space, this will become a much more serious issue, there will be lawsuits, power struggles, potentially even armed conflicts over resources. It's like setting up an undesired stretch of desert as a national park - everyone is fine with it, until oil is discovered under that desert, and once money is involved all hell breaks loose. We will probably see a fairly turbulent period until all the desired space properties are claimed, and then things will calm down again.
+SQW0 that's why you need military power, weapons etc to defend your turf.
+tulp35000 Space is nearly infinite, our ability and resources that allow us to potentially access and use space's materials is not. There is no incentive to a country or corporation to mine the moon or asteroids if they cannot keep and use the materials and therefore make up some of the cost they personally took on to acquire those materials. The world did not help them design and build the space vehicle, and did not sit up nights making sure everything worked properly to get where it needed to go. Therefore, what claim does the world have to them, beyond threats or litigation? The world will still benefit at the influx of new resources, but specifically in how those who can reach them use them. That's the reality of exploration, the few who take the risk reap the benefits.
Who owns space? Obviously the president of space!
The president of the united space!
+qsdfcvgyjmkl haha
There is no president of space, and if you consider the Universe the president, it really belongs to the Universe.
So the only three countries capable of reaching the moon are the ones to not agree with the moon agreement.
*edit five countries, Japan and India have sent probes to the moon too. Don't want to forget them.
+MegaAwesomeNick The other way to look at it is the only countries who dont want people mining in space are those who do not have the technologies or the money or both to do so
Imagine going back in time a little over a hundred years, before we could fly and telling folks that there will someday be a time when the question of who owns bodies in space is a real question..
+Amesie's Automotive Corner LOL
+Amesie's Automotive Corner Imagine if we still lived in a colonial age. Where empires divided land among themselves; almost like Antarctica.
OMG SUPER SMILEY LADY!!!
Doesn't SciShow own space? SciShow Space.
+Shirma Akayaku IRefuseToOwnAnySp*ce
+Shirma Akayaku I would say yes, otherwise how would they be able to make someone the "President of Space"?
sounds about right, i approve
If these treaties were lifted, then companies would be more interested in space, which would also accelerate space travel technology.
+Joshua Real If these treaties were lifted, companies would be completely uninterested. Someone could just come and say "Hah! That land you were mining? It's ours now!"
A more reasonable solution would be to make entirely new treaties encouraging the mining and exploitation of celestial bodies by allowing long-term ownership of limited amounts of land.
QuantumSeanyGlass yes
How about doing it like we have always done? With colonialism? Whoever gets to a space body first owns it ... until someone else shows up with more firepower. What could possibly go wrong?
Occupy Olympus Mons!
This is an interesting topic. It would be great for a movie or a show. - Person A
There is one already. It's called Planetes. Watch all of it, you won't regret it. - Person B
thank God finally found some who like that anime..
it's so underrated
I loved it all I can say is its awesome it deals with these kinda topic really good....
So if I stole a Luna sample, could I use the Outer Space Treaty in my defence? If no one can own space stuff, I'm technically not stealing anything
+MicroBlogganism you sir are a genuis.
+MicroBlogganism No, space is like the ocean; what you take from it is yours but you don't own the ocean.
+MicroBlogganism Well, if you brought back a moon rock, it's not like anyone can do anything about it.
*spends 35 million dollars to get to the moon and picks up a bag of samples^ "Hey guys, look at what I got!!!"
UN- "Put it back"
My idea for a universal space law would be to 1. Only corporations or people not affiliated with a government can own Asteroids or comets (Ceres does not count because its a dwarf planet) 2. If a Colonies on other planets/Bodies reaches sustainability or there population reaches 60,000 they *WILL* become independent from corporations or nations that set up the colonies. (this goes for Antarctica as well) 3. Military bases in space can *ONLY* be owned by the U.N 4. U.N can seize asteroids if there is a need for it (this need can not be economic unless its for infrastructure) and 5. Only the U.N can send Military forces into space (This includes things like Military Ships and Troops, but governments can send unmanned spy satellites into space.)
This is a great idea
This is a great idea
This is a great idea
The "companies" part can easily be abused by the government.
Earthling1: "I own it."
Earthling2: "No. I own it!"
Universal Resident: "Arrogant primitives."
All the more reason to spur space advancements through private competition so we become the "Universal Resident" that has the power to judge others
Let me know when I should buy stock in space mining.
+FirstRisingSouI now
Somehow, it feels hypocritical that space is owned by everyone, while our own planet is divided up from old conquests and greedy land grabs.
+neverAskMeWhy07 People are just too barbaric and territorial.
Feynstein 100
Lets just say that evolution is slow :)
neverAskMeWhy07 I guess but people are even slower ;)
Bigger Army Diplomacy. That's how you figure out who owns what in space. It's not the best, or most peaceful method, but it's the only method we humans know.
I own everything in space, if you don't like that, go take it from me.
+Uncle Phil I claim to own the sun and I will charge people for using it to grow crops, charge solar cells, and to tan. lol
You must be rich after those 6 hours... lol.
The TNT HIPPIE Nope, I haven't figure out "How do you get the sun to shine just on those guys who pay?"
Lol. Then you need to pay yourself... lol.
Space politics is so depressing that I kind of hope aliens show up to straighten us out.
businesses will claim rights to parts of space and their governments will own it through taxes.
Well, we've had Crash Course Astronomy, and Crash Course US Government & Politics, but we've never had Crash Course Space Law. Possibly a new Crash Course, for a very niche audience?
...turns off SciShow to go fill out paperwork to register my new band's name 'The Moon Agreement'. PS - wasn't actually planning to start a band, but couldn't pass up the opportunity to capitalize on such a great name. (next step...place Craig's List ad to recruit band mates)
I like the idea that space should be like the wild west. No holds barred, if you want exclusive rights to an asteroid you need to be able to defend your claim.
+Sentinalh That would involve war on Earth beginning.
+Just Another War in space*. Not necessarily on earth, looking back at the cold war. Most of the major battles after ww2 was in isolated places like Korea and Vietnam. I bet space will be the same. People will put money in bombing each others space bases. But not the actual H.Q's which is situated on Earth. I'm no expert in politics. But, from a safe standpoint. Destroying someone's' toy seem more easy than destroying the person owning that toy.
Why would any laws made on earth effect other celestial bodies? They are not earth, and the majority of them do not orbit earth, so why would earth have any dictation over them? this question especially applies if there are independent nations or other with claims or settlements elsewhere?
If there is an open market I think space mining would benefit mankind. Its when companies are trying to play ugly games when you need to set up straight rules and limit their freedom.
I think space mining would be similar to mining here on earth. Overall there should be a government that sees that things arent out of order in space, and the rest is up to the market forces.
+Ahldor. Yeah I think there should be a government apointed to manage spacial affairs
It should be elected by earth people though
at least until there are true space humans
Those treaties mean nothing once a company can actually mine asteroids.
Small point: There's a difference in international law between treaties (which are legally binding) and agreements (which aren't). The UN general assembly can propose agreements, but can't create treaties. The moon agreement therefore has less legal power than the outer space treaty, no matter the number of signatories. Regardless, the only thing you can be sure to own in outer space is whatever you bring with you. Moving through the different modules of the ISS is basically like passing through the different countries that own them.
I'd fly a Saturn V rocket through that hole.
Ford Prefect probably knows the answer to this question.
It's 42
The fact that I am starting to see this question more and more makes me think we are going to have Star Wars IRL soon
Space. The final frontier.
Frontier, as in, y'know, the wild west. Claim jumpers and cattle rustlin'.
Except instead of cattle, space stuff.
Yeah, but why is there hair around Uranus????
+emailchrismoll ruclips.net/video/BgsdhmLrLPA/видео.html
+SciShow Space This answer is downright genius.
oooooohhhhhhh Snap! XD
Lol
I'm a guy
What if all countries paid some part of their budget yearly to fond like international version of NASA, and the space ownership would be of that organisation, therefore international
i like the idea that no one can say mine the moon or an asteroid and sell to become rich, but I also like the idea of a collaboration where countries agree to mine celestial objects and to share to resources so for example, if we find a bunch of uranium on the moon, we agree it goes to whoever needs it most rather than who pays the highest bid.
I watched an anime called Aldnoah.Zero a bit ago and I really liked the base of the story. It goes that the mars colony basically pull a USA independence and says fuck earth we ant giving you shit. This video just reminded me and made me think how it would be viewed with these laws.
Maybe aliens already own a bunch of stuff in space. #SillyHumans #SoPetty #AndTiny
I’m just imagining some alien on Mars approaching Opportunity with a shotgun and yelling, “Get off my lawn”!
and so Gundam universe will become a reality
If there is an intelligent alien civilisation observing us, they shoud not allow a species discussing who's owning the space to travel through it.
Yep. Basically we'll just have to wait until that day comes and then fight over it, like with anything else.
Let me claim the sun and charge everyone and everything that receives even the slightest bit of solar energy.
Basically the observable universe.
Basically the observable universe.
Basically the observable universe.
there should be just a finders keepers policy
+Sushma Nomula then america owns all of mars..... but in truth we all know the only way you can own something is by having a bigger gun than everyone else.
+chris spencer america won't own mars, Christian Huygens would because he decoverd it first. This means the Dutch would own mars.
Were slowly getting to a future where Cowboy Bebop is real.
Its a pretty wild thought to think in my lifetime, I could grab a telescope, point it at the moon, and see a small colony of people working.
If I had the money could I build a moon base and create it as a tourist attraction to make money?
+Weapon Valhalla Sure, nobody has an official ownership over the moon land.
Constantine:D
+Constantine Welp, time to start building my rocket. and launchpad. and coms. and gather materials... space is hard : (
Like the 2nd Futurama episode?
as long as you give the money to me :) But actually that would be the hole in the agreement. You wouldn't be taking anything from the moon, so you should be good. Just don't blow up the moon and we should be fine. :)
Freeza own all of space.
Fuck no
Here's my idea for how to handle it:
Companies can start mining whatever they want, but the second they start work everything within 100km of the mine becomes the property of the government of whichever country their headquarters is in, and they get a permit to mine it. Part of the permit would require that the overwhelming majority of the profits from the mining go into a national income fund.
If BHP starts mining a 50km asteroid, the whole thing becomes part of Australia's territory and most of the profits go to the Australian public.
Oh, and don't think that locating your headquarters on a boat or space station will prevent government ownership. Try that and you will be jailed for piracy. Legitimate companies must be located within the territory of a recognised UN member state.
I'm a senior in high school and I've been writing a paper exactly about this subject for months! I'm still in the drafting process but would love it if you guys were interested in reading it!
+Ashley C. What are your ideas about ownership of things in space?
Laws don't exist, only the enforcement of laws exist.
Unless we're talking about actual laws, physical laws. Those are real.
+enticed2zeitgeist true dat
but WHY DOES URANUS HAVE HAIR?
Stop now.
+No... perfect name.
but really. Stop.
it's time to stop.
+jedi22300 fucking genius
"international law" is something that I always found funny. Most countries struggle to keep their own laws consistent so... Yeah...
+Mathieu LANCE yeah i have a country, i did not agree to that international law, who are you and your group of leaders to say that i have to obey it
I'm betting that the following rule highlighted by CGP Grey will sadly prevail:
- Bigger army diplomacy
By definition, ownership is something you need to enforce. Hence, the most powerful nations will be the ones setting the rules.
The only thing we can hope is that said powerful nations will do so wisely...
My god Mexico's government actually did something good for the people. 😮😮😮
Saying that nobody can benefit from the moon except by sciencing it is not that beneficial. It is the equivalent of saying "if i cant have it noone can". Whereas the US is saying "advance our technology and knowledge and you could get rich for it"
+Raul Baltazar well, signing that treaty is fairly easy when you don't have an actual space program.. :/
This video is completely wrong.
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Because, I own space.
I loved that "...MINE!" :D
I may not be able to conquer space but I can still win Pluto's heart.
But who enforce these laws? what's the consequences of breaking the laws?
Nomulus Norwegicus
what?
+Seyha Leonhartz FUNDING
The guy with the biggest missiles is always right.
The UN
All your space are belong to U.S.
+Anticonny You, sir, deserve a space rock
+Anticonny learn how to write a proper sectence before you make a comment.
darkfight light Obviously doesn't get the joke
Also sectence
Flame Doesn't Game
:P
..until alien space fleet warp in, fire at anything in space belonging to ours then say "say what? all your base are belong to us!"
BBC News just did a piece on Project Greenglow, "anti-grav propulsion" Whaaa??? Is this for realz? Love you guys, btw :)
everytime i see this host, i stop video, give a thumbs down, and go back to subs page. I'm sure shes a very nice lady but I can't stand her.
Why
+Kyle Pulley wtf
+Kyle Pulley I like her. But I do the same thing with the guy with the black hair and blonde patch. Just can't stand him.
+Kyle Pulley So you are the single thumbs down I see, out of 856 views. C'mon, man!
+Kyle Pulley this just makes no sense
Asteroid mining? Yayy! Waiting for The Expanse to begin!
(book reference)
the earth is in space... sooo maybe treat it like that too.
This video made me realize we aren't ready for colonization, we need to achieve peace on the earth first.
Let's just make sure we treat future denizens of Luna (Loonies, if you will) fairly. We wouldn't want them to get into a war with us with the help of a sentient computer that just wanted to figure out if jokes were funny or not.
That's it. I'm totally making a band named Moon Agreement.
Get those Minovsky Particles to fuel your mobile suits.
It's nice how fast she speaks, its puts my english to test.
I own space. All of it. But I do allow free use out of my own amazing generosity as I don't want to hamper space development.
Wait, the moon has an environment? I thought it was just a dead rocky world that orbits us?
We'd better start acting more like the people on the Starship Enterprise before considering who owns what from space.
+r77xxl
Star Trek's government and economy cannot function in reality. They started off with "nice ideals," but quickly violated pretty much everything to make the stories sort-of work as long as you don't examine those structures too closely. Just like the plots themselves.
Fair points, you have, but of course fictional governments and economy cannot be real. "more like" couldn't hurt though, if we pick and choose what we like from it.
I think the only time any conflict will break out is if you want something that somepony else does. And that is what needs to be dealt with. As for ownership of other things in space in general i dont think that we can really properly deal with that till we can do something useful with them.
Aah, the dream of the Helium-3 reactor. When we're gonne start the Minovsky physics?
Great video - thanks:)
I remember when someone in Spain tried to claim the Sun and charge people for the use of the light.
Watching something like the E-cat reactor technology unfold, I'm not too worried about Helium-3 extraction.
My idea of a law for this matter is: If you can stand on the object in space and plant a flag on it, you own it...
That's where the United Nations Space Command comes in
Interesting Pretty sure theyll change the laws once they can actually land on some space body and begin mining operations. It'll be something like first come.. first to have more money than entire earth population kinda thing. We'd be finally able to build massive ships in space from space mined and refined metals.. cause building ships on ground and launching them is impractical.. even in parts. Thats one of the reasons space exploration is moving so slowly. The difficulty getting to space and living there.
+tulp35000 imagine this, so many spaceships in our solar system and spae stations, you could life your live without even ever been on earth =D.
You live in titan, work in a jupiter football station
+João Morais A footbal station?
Willian Gabriel
space station with sports and bars x D
This is not more complicated than deciding who owns what on Earth.
... Have holes so big you could fly a Saturn rocket through them... LOLZ!
yea that ....ur facial expression tells ...that "ROCKET" thingy u jst said !!
I smell a full-scale space War
hmmmm... This sounds like space pirates is going to be a very real and very high demand soon.
Everybody knows you need to grow some potatoes first
When we finally get people living on the moon, there is gonna be a huge ass war over lunar land.
Ok, so here's a question: What if a group goes and set's up a base on say, the Moon and declares themselves an independent nation, claiming the Moon in its entirety as their sovereign land?
Keep in mind, that's also assuming that they have the resources and manpower available to enforce their claim, & they aren't associated in any way with a nation here on Earth, would it still be legal in the eyes of the treaty? What if you were to do so on Mars? Would it even be worth it try and enforce such a treaty?
Can we just wait until Earth is united under one nation BEFORE we even think of going to space?
+blazebluebass Ah, famous "we shouldn't invent electricity before we cured all the diseases and wars" argument. =_=
if we wait for everyone to be united we'll never get to got to space again
+Darth Biomech No more fire until Og is cured of his toenail fungus.
+blazebluebass I feel united government is an impossibility. At least with the mindset of most people living on the earth today.
The boundaries of religion, culture, language, tradition, hell, even the way you react to things, all are boundaries that are extremely difficult to overcome. Some you can even argue are impossible.
If you somehow got every country to sign a treaty of sorts to unite under one government (which, like you already implied, is pretty much impossible), I feel it would fall into turmoil very quickly. The only way this sort of thing would work is by, again, setting up boundaries for the cultures and peoples. Essentially dividing this government. Keeping these cultures open to each other would only result in conflict.
-Or, you know, you could always refer to dystopia, and maintain order and peace under force, which would be far more likely and probably than a utopia.-
Patrickmen11
I think real time language translation will go a long way towards bridging those cultural gaps.
Gahh, I just went through three layers of deja vu. The matrix is collapsing! Not enough RAM to render space exploration? 😄
If anyone uses that band name and makes it big, you have to donate $100 a week to this channel because she made it up.
The scenario in the beginning of the episode sounds more like an opportunity for international cooperation than conflicting interests. I might be overly optimistic because of how well the ISS is working as an international collaboration. Scientists tend to be much happier to cooperate peacefully than corporations that exist primarily to make money tend to be...
Canada- "we want the asteroid!"
USA- "ok that's fine just send one of your rockets up... Oh wait"
the US would only disagree with canada here if the asterioid had oil and did not have democracy
"Sounds like a good band name" Pretty much any two words that don't make sense out of context makes a 'good' band name.
one option would be to have a single governing body (something similar to the UN) to act as a third party. A number of companies can do the mining etc and then the resources can be sold by the third party?
if you want something you take it then you defend your claim
And I can crown me Tarzan, King of Mars.
This can actually be the cause of many future conflicts later in the century and beyond.
'You don't own space, stop acting like you do.' - Master Shake
Well, if it were me, the law'd be along the lines of:
"Whoever gets there first can claim ownership for as long as they have people staying there".
Of course, there'd be the problem of remote operations in space-claiming property using remote probes presents interesting questions.
***** Not necessarily. America got to the moon before the Soviets did.
You don't claim all of space, only the places that you get to (and most likely are using in some manner).
America for example couldn't claim ownership of the entire moon, but it might be able to claim some parts of it.
If you can defend it it is yours!
-So simple will it be
Soon enough we will become so advanced to leave Earth, we will be colonizing all of the Milky Way. Then there will be Star Wars.
Hah, that's funny. I can't be China if I'm watching this video.