That or Jedi Masters have truly *EPIC* expense accounts! KDY Sales rep: And how many star destroyers would you like Master....er....what was your name again?
I blame Shaak Te for order 66 1. she was at the cloning station for most of the war 2. She dosent listen to what 5s hase to say 3. ........ she keeps diying every other day
Yeah she was a bit clueless she should’ve investigated five’s claims independently. Anyone who works with Kaminoans on the reg should be able to tell that they were psychopaths
Generation Tech can’t the force be used to sense intentions or whatever? Or is it like Star Trek where they’re all like “I sense they have strong emotions”
Mace Windu to the Jedi Council: "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi. The Dark Side of the Force surrounds the Chancellor." Jedi Council: "Stop being such a worrier! Next you'll be saying they're going to attack the Temple!"
Dustin Fay the chancellor had a force power called force stealth. Which made him able to cloud the Jedi senses which meant that they could not sense him. This was often mentioned throughout episode 3 and Star Wars the clone wars.
@@mummamilk1 - Yes, but that just proves that the Jedi sucked as space cops. It's not like Palpatine wasn't acting creepy and suspicious *all the goddamn time!* Plus, the evidence that Obi-Wan found in AotC pretty blatantly pointed to Palpatine. The suspicious convenience of the Kaminoans starting to grow an illegal clone army for the Republic right after Palpatine first took office as Chancellor, as well as the assassination attempts on Padme, who was filibustering the Military Creation Act in the Senate. Neither action really benefiting the Separatists, who were only willing to fight a war of secession because they believed that the Republic was demilitarized and would be a pushover. The person who benefited the most was Palpatine - who had already managed to stay in office past his term limit solely because of the Separatist crisis and who was beginning to amass ever-greater political power as the Republic went to war.
There's 2 big ones I want to add. 1. They discovered Dooku was behind Sifo Dyas's death. They didn't connect the dots 2. Yoda saw a vision of clones turning against the jedi. But he was probably convinced it was best to let these events unfold.
and for what we know now, the Jedi-Council itself actively decided to not investigate further but to keep the clone army. Yoda's big brain time as usual
Lemaire Yves When I read about it all what went through my head was: that was the biggest fuck up the Galactic Republic could pass on through the Senate. If they kept their army, the Republic would not have needed Clones, who are in essence slaves themselves, which is pretty fucked up. The Republic during The Clone Wars literally had child soldiers. Take Ahsoka for example, she thrown into this at age 14, Caleb Dume (Kanan Jarrus) was even younger before Order 66 broke out. All the Clones at the start of the war were between 9 or 10, even 11 years old (18, 20 or 22 in Clone years). Because if the Ruusan Reformation Bill, then thinking all the Sith were eradicated, no wonder the Jedi became complacent over the rest of the 1000 years coming up to The Phantom Menace.
@@Warsie Thank small mercies, but to be fair, even that doesn't save the idiocy of the Republic to pass a bill that gives up an entire army and ~95% of the Navy.
Its not like tup said to fives the dream is finally over. I wonder if he was talking about the dream of order 66. Did the clones not have medical treatment in terms of trauma a phychologist.
Nope, they were engineered to be immune to such psychological breakdowns. It's very rare, to the point of near impossibility, for a clone to break down due to the stress of combat. Also, they would be terminated and their bodies recycled if they were found to be incapable of returning to combat operations.
There do not seem to be *any* psychologists in the Star Wars galaxy! The Jedi had to rely on vague Zen platitudes from Yoda and orders to go meditate to deal with emotional issues. Even Deanna Troi would have been a step up (and that's scary)!
Hell no actually the Clones hardly had anything more than Absolutely Necessary Medical Treatment and pretty much no privileges at all(besides some that few Jedi Chose to give to the Clones)
It's more like everyone was in agreement that expendable soldiers don't need certain amenities like psych care or therapy or even evals. The Clones were designed to be expendable. It's why Clone Medics were rare to find...what is the sense in saving a clone with an amputation? They don't have benefits. They don't have a place even on Kamino anymore. They don't have a home to go to. They cannot be a good soldier if they are not a soldier anymore. So most Clones were just left to die because there is no reason to save them if they aren't going to be useful to the Army anymore.
I highly recommend a video called “ 501st, Our Duty” it’s pretty emotional, to the point where it will want to make you cry 😂 but something I noticed from the 501st video is when Kenobi and Jango were talking on Kamino Obi-Wan says “ your clones are impressive, you must be very proud” and then Jango says “ they’ll do their job well, I’ll guarantee that” and what I think is that Jango knew about Order 66 and was hinting towards that the Clones would do their job well at wiping out the Jedi... idk that’s just me, but I recommend watching that 501st for some emotional stuff 👌🏼👌🏼
Broken Potato ya but that was quite late into the clone wars and he also didn’t know whether the Jedi actually did something in the future that was bad that made the clones have to do this
I'll say this, using an army of clones is morally dubious at best. The Jedi and Republic should only used the clones as a stopgap measure until they could transition to a military force composed of Republic citizens. (Or better yet not demilitarized in the first place).
Amber Hoke well first it’s a slave army (if that’s what you wanna call it) that love its job and very few would actually like to do something else. And theirs many advantages to that. One being that you don’t have to deal with deserters. You don’t have to worry about people really questioning orders. Not counting ones like Krells because those were suicide missions. Think about how many normal troops would question their orders. And since clones were bread to fight it already gives them such a huge advantage in combat.
Amber Hoke and their considered a slave army because they don’t have a choice of what they want to do for a living? Aren’t their so many examples of practically the same scenario that would then say you or somebody else is a slave?
So what, use conscripts? how is that any different? they arent going to get enough soldiers just from volunteers, almost no country has ever at any point in time. Soldiers in large conflicts are almost always pressed to the front lines against their will. Its not a "slave army" any more than conscripted soldiers are. If thats a slave army, then literally every country ever to exist ever has used "slave armies". And clones, being genetically based on mandalorians and trained from birth for combat, are going to cope far better with war than any random civilian- not just in terms of skill, but psychologically as well. I simply cannot get behind this concept that somehow cloning soldiers is worse than just forcing civilians to fight for you instead. And obviously a volunteer army isnt going to compete with a nation that has devoted its entire society towards producing a larger military to defeat you.
@@TekkLuthor Of course!!! I wanna see my own family and friends shipped off to an alien wasteland mining space drugs, while im forced to watch my friends build massive alien superweapons to destroy earth, all while my mother gets pillaged by alien warlords!
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What am I supposed to do with this information? watch the prequels and tell them there's no jedis in the original trilogy so they would know about order 66?
Growing up, I always wanted to be a Jedi. Then I grew up and realized how messed up they are: too traditional, too trusting, too diplomatic, and too proud. If they weren't on the battlefield, then they were doing who knows what. Kudos to Padme for having the balls to engage on the political side of the war and stand up to Palpatine and his sympathizers. Lastly, had the Jedi provided better support (emotional, among others) to Anakin and LISTENED to him, he very well might have delivered the fatal blow to Palpatine himself. Though I wouldn't want to be a Jedi, I especially wouldn't want to be a Sith. They are way are too psychotic and sociopathic for my liking. Nowadays, when people ask me who I'd like to be in the Star Wars universe, I tell them I'd like to be a mercenary-type, skilled and equipped, with a reputation shy of infamous. I want others to like me but I definitely want them to respect me.
Jedi Spartan 38 had his units had some powersuits from Legends, they all coulda been the equivalent of Spartans from Halo. His men were all non-clone and did just as well and were obedient to the last command (not a Thrawn reference).
*Jedi council:* We have a massive new enemy to fight… Oh look, how convenient? Really lucky that… In fact *super lucky* in that the main _guy who organised it_ is now leading the deadly threat, so he obviously knew about it before we even did, yet did nothing to stop it or even co-opt it. …… Dooku could have grabbed the army for himself being a Jedi (sort of) and knowing about it before Obi-Wan and the council did, who only found out by accident(?). And even if he couldn't pull that off, the obvious move of the CIS under Dooku was to take out Kimono as the opening move before the GAR had their forces ready or even before the Jedi knew it existed. Then the CIS could have just steamrolled the Republic. He sat ideally by while they became a powerful military. *Count Dooku: [To CIS Council]* Damn, I _forgot_ about that army I helped create before I switched to your side. Should have really done something about it earlier, at least given you all the heads up. _My bad.…_
Agreed. Sidious was playing both sides. He wanted the CIS to lose after a long and hard enough war that he could consolidate power and become a dictator. Dooku was simply following orders.
@@Warsie I think Sifo Diyas never actually met with the Kaminoans, Dooku posed as him when placing the order. Dooku also played dumb at the attack on Geonosis in front of the other Seperatist leaders even though he is the one who recruited Jango Fett (using the name Tyranus) for the clones and Jango was fighting for the Seperatists on Geonosis. Confusion was the goal. The more identities Dooku took the harder it would be for the Jedi (or anyone else) to figure out what was really happening, and it worked.
Jedi: Send 14 year olds to command battalions of clones in a war Also jedi: “what the heck?! The people we sent out to die and to be replaced hate us now?”
Theres one other huge detail you forgot to mention: By the end of the Clone Wars Series, the jedi order had actually found out and completely understood that the clone army was created by their enemy (specifically dooku), and the army was just given to them after they wrote off the war ever happening. Instead of looking in to it more, they quite literally said "the clones are human enough and are compassionate beings, we can probably trust them, but we should finish this war quickly JUST IN CASE something bad were to happen involving them." Then they fully acknowledged that their enemy created the war and gave both sides ALL of the tools to fight it and basically just said "oh well." They really werent that smart
And the most glaring reason of all....... right before the war starts the whole plan is basically spelled out to obiwan when he was captured in episode 2 like , then the council flatly admits the separatists seem to know where the GAR is the weakest and attack those sectors
For starters 1. The clone army came out of literally nowhere and were placed in the service of the Jedi order 2. Fives 3.the template for the clones is based on a ruthless warrior who hates the Jedi 4. Some ARC troopers were actually trained by Jango Fett himself 5. “The dark side of the force surrounds the chancellor “ maybe y’all should do something about that before shit reaches the tipping point 6. Who tf paid for the production of the army
Spectra Phantom, It’ll be interesting if the republic security council discovered you were massive amounts of money were coming and going from like, that’s odd, I just found a massive transaction of hundreds of credits from count Dooku, The intergalactic banking clan, The trade federation and several other massive corporations to the Kaminoens
Anyone else the first time they saw ATC have a whole huh? about Komino and the dialogue about Sifus _who …_ The creation and appearance of the clone army just seemed so disjointed at the time, that I felt like I'd drifted off and missed something…
I feel like the main problem with the Council during the Clone Wars was arrogance. They had gone a long time without Sith or the like and were too blinded by arrogance to notice the threads of Palpatine’s plan coming together in a evil sweater of the Dark Side.
The fa t that they even used the clones is beyond me. I get in the beginning they needed an army bit it should have been priority to replace them as soon as possible. Following will be all the reason why they should have just sunk that facility on Camino. 1) The only reason a jedi went there was to investigate the attempted assassination of a senitor. 2) to a planet that was not only removed from public record but also the jedi archive. 3) after the jedi is introduced to the template for the clones Jengo attempts to kill Kenobi and then flees to Geonocha. 4) arriving there and investigating kenobi is taken prisoner by the separatist. 5) attempting to execute the trio ( Anny, Obi and Pad) The separatist are confronted by Mace and the template Jango is standing right there with them in the sky box awaiting tje execution. And no one o mean not a fuckimg soul questions these connection. They are just like "Oh Dyas ordered them? This must be legit then. Yeah who gave that order for him to do that by way? Did it go on his jedi express card or is it COD?"
Dyas, the guy who was known for getting kicked off the council, disobedience, and have fits and visions? A bit shifty... But maybe they're all British and their free shit radar was going off
Here are 2 more tell tale signs of order 66. 1 Palpatine increasingly influential power though out the galaxy Palpatine more than once interfered with Jedi affairs against their wishes. 2 The sith created the clone army may I say more the Jedi knowing we’re like.. Whatever that saved our lives let’s keep using them
i like the theory that yoda actually did predict order 66 but recognized that by the time he put the pieces together it was to late and only by allowing order 66 to happen would the over all war against the sith be won through the birth of luke. this was hinted at during the episode of the clone wars where yoda learns to become a force ghost but never expressly stated.
I believe the biggest sign of Order 66 was Count Dooku. According to Canon, the Jedi found out he was “Tyrannus”, the Jedi even admitted that Dooku made the clone army for them. And when Obi-Wan was captured Dooku straight up revealed the chancellor was behind the republic and a sith.
Off topic, a video or series on the army of light and the Jedi military before the Ruuson reformation. The Jedi had their own military, navy and even battle armour. And a comparison between that and the clone wars Jedi sounds interesting, also would the clone wars Jedi have checked back on their past history for ideas?
I think the biggest warning was the reveal that Dooku was the one who had commissioned the clones. And the Jedi's response was "trust in the clones we must". Another warning was when the clones who are infected with mind controling parasites from Geonosis ambush Ashoka and say "if there's one thing we clones know, it's how to stop Jedi". But then Ahsoka probably had passed out before hearing it.
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Obi-Wan must've been on death-sticks when he got to the Kaminoan cloning facility because he just walks in and agrees to take the clone army that he's never heard of without a second thought.
There were a few Jedi who weary of the Clones (in legends) most notably Quinlan Vos, who was very hostile to the clone troopers under his command; despite his suspicions he was still a victim of order 66 but he was able to best his troops and survive. Another example, again in legends, is Ram Kota, who refused to lead clones into battle and instead commanded a Republic milita force. I believe that because these Jedi were unorthodox in their ways, and because not only was the Jedi order completely consumed by group think and outright arrogance, but also had their minds clouded by Sidious, they were completely unable to see order 66 coming and hence were largely easy unassuming targets.
The Jedi might have avoided Order 66 if they had "read the manual", at least according to legends. While Order 66 is a response to betrayal of the Jedi there were at least 3 other orders the Jedi could have invoked to aid in arresting Palpatine. Doing so would have nullified Order 66 as these orders would have stripped him of his authority.
Sidious really just came out of know where and just owned and destroyed the Jedi. Can't imagine how patient and self control it took to not use the clone army against the Jedi for so long. He was in insidious artist and overmathched the Jedi by far
One of my questions is why didn't the republic try a droid army to help out the clone army if not with infantry then with star fighters. Like 3/4 ships used end up crashing and I have not to date seen a surviving clone pilot in the whole series.
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And the fact that the kaminoans kept the existence of the chip a secret until it failed should have raised red flags about them as well. The kaminoans said they were needed to keep the agressive tendecies of Jango in check, so it is something the jedi should have made aware of, since that sounds like something you would have to look out for in case of head injuries. I always thought it disappointing how little they actually investigated the clones, in the movies it's understandable they had limited time, in the clone wars series they could have dedicated some a little more to it. Could have been some episodes with Tera Sinube, he seemed interesting and would be perfectly suited to investigate the clones origin.
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Even when that toad dude with two double blades started killing clones and putting them against eachother the Jedi should have maybe realised that some clones would never look at them the same and always hold animosity over the slaughter of their brothers
My respect for Rahm Kota increases. He had his own militia where any soldier could go toe to toe with any clone. These guys even aided in the capture of Darth Vader. Even after they were likely marked as terrorists they showed immense loyalty in helping Kota try to lure out Vader in the first place.
The argument regarding Jango fett being the clone templet was known to the jedi order. The whole point of attack of the clones episode was to show why the clone army was needed. It was a desperate maneuver
Here I would highly disagree. She was a Mandalorian who put the interests of the Rebels far too high and those of the Mandalorians far too low. She was in her younger years a "fan girl" of duchess Satine (hardly a point of view many sane Mandalorian could share, Satine was a constant damsel in distress with brains as weak as her ability to rescue herself without Jedi-baby-sitters) and developed a weapon which could toast Mandos in their own armor. And she helped the rebels murder thousands defenseless Imperial soldiers and support personal without any real need at Lothol. If you call that a good person, than a scumbag-bounty hunter is really god-like.
I always wondered where the name "order 66" came from, at first I found it a little random, but I thought it should have been inspired by something. Then I couldn't stop thinking (after watching a video about WWII) that the order 66, and Executive Order 9066 are related. Both constitute in orders that led to betrayal, and very sad consequences.
The BIGGEST clue that the Jedi not just overlooked, but flat-out ignored was learning Count Dooku was Darth Tyranus, and as such provided for them the Clone Army in the first place. This should've been a smoking gun, but the Jedi idiotically decided to keep this a secret from the Republic, on the grounds that it would "undermine the clones sacrifices, and the people's faith in them." It's almost like they were TRYING to get their order destroyed, or something.
Has it ever been explained why the first time we see the clones (the scene where they're sitting and eating on Camino) look totally different? Then in the next movie they all look like Jango?
The thing about fett is that he is a bounty hunter. Hired killers that can be trusted to honor there contract(if they want to be hired, reputation mathers) I dont think people care about a hired killer being used for clone dna. If anything it makes sense to hire someone who's loyalty is for sale. No idiology to get in the way.
Revan didn't take Mandalores mask. The mask belonged to a female mandalorian that was killed when she tried to defend the cathar. But despite this nice Video.
The #1 sign of order 66
*"I hear we're getting new orders soon"*
daniel hyde yep!
Even though that wasn't what he was talking about it's just so true😂😂
Hey!Nice Job Using Jedi Fallen Order
*Top 5 things said before a distaster*
ok how did i not connect that in star wars fallen order
Really, it's like the old saying, "There's no such thing as a free clone army of genetically-engineered super-soldiers."
Yup
Unless you have a coupon for a buy one get one free.
Oh look what we have here, how convenient!
TANSTAAFL
That or Jedi Masters have truly *EPIC* expense accounts!
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I blame Shaak Te for order 66
1. she was at the cloning station for most of the war
2. She dosent listen to what 5s hase to say
3. ........ she keeps diying every other day
Yeah she was a bit clueless she should’ve investigated five’s claims independently. Anyone who works with Kaminoans on the reg should be able to tell that they were psychopaths
Oh my God! They killed Shaak Te! You bastards!!
Generation Tech can’t the force be used to sense intentions or whatever? Or is it like Star Trek where they’re all like “I sense they have strong emotions”
How many times has Shaak Te died? I'm aware of her dying in Episode 3 and force unleashed but not any other times.
@@aliastheabnormal About 5 or 6 death that they cancelled
Well, Fives was one sign
Indiana Jones the sign of five
Yeah it was kinda subtle though
More like 5 signs in one
A BIG ONE!!! Along with his buddy Tup.
@@cmp4237 *tup
*Did you do it? Did you execute Order 66?*
Darth Sidious: *Yes.*
*What did it cost?*
Darth Sidious: *Absolutely nothing(LOL)*
@Uganda Knuckles
Are you sure he gave value to his face?
@Uganda Knuckles yeah now sidious's face is a scrotum.
@@jacobweatherford4696 Robot Chicken reference
@@arrowtt3364 so it did cost him something lol
Darth syphilis
Mace Windu to the Jedi Council: "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi. The Dark Side of the Force surrounds the Chancellor."
Jedi Council: "Stop being such a worrier! Next you'll be saying they're going to attack the Temple!"
Lol it's funny because that happens
Exactly, after rewatching episodes 1-3 and the clone wars tv series I honestly don't know how they didn't know the Chancellor was evil
Dustin Fay the chancellor had a force power called force stealth. Which made him able to cloud the Jedi senses which meant that they could not sense him. This was often mentioned throughout episode 3 and Star Wars the clone wars.
we'll talk about it after lunch
@@mummamilk1 - Yes, but that just proves that the Jedi sucked as space cops. It's not like Palpatine wasn't acting creepy and suspicious *all the goddamn time!* Plus, the evidence that Obi-Wan found in AotC pretty blatantly pointed to Palpatine. The suspicious convenience of the Kaminoans starting to grow an illegal clone army for the Republic right after Palpatine first took office as Chancellor, as well as the assassination attempts on Padme, who was filibustering the Military Creation Act in the Senate. Neither action really benefiting the Separatists, who were only willing to fight a war of secession because they believed that the Republic was demilitarized and would be a pushover. The person who benefited the most was Palpatine - who had already managed to stay in office past his term limit solely because of the Separatist crisis and who was beginning to amass ever-greater political power as the Republic went to war.
There's 2 big ones I want to add.
1. They discovered Dooku was behind Sifo Dyas's death. They didn't connect the dots
2. Yoda saw a vision of clones turning against the jedi. But he was probably convinced it was best to let these events unfold.
and for what we know now, the Jedi-Council itself actively decided to not investigate further but to keep the clone army. Yoda's big brain time as usual
So Kota did everything right:
1) refusing to use a slave army.
2) using real men instead.
Lemaire Yves Blame The Rusaan Reformation.
@@rangerslayer2260 This reforms only made a perfect place for the Sith to act in the shadow of a demilitarized republic and its jedi
Lemaire Yves When I read about it all what went through my head was: that was the biggest fuck up the Galactic Republic could pass on through the Senate. If they kept their army, the Republic would not have needed Clones, who are in essence slaves themselves, which is pretty fucked up. The Republic during The Clone Wars literally had child soldiers. Take Ahsoka for example, she thrown into this at age 14, Caleb Dume (Kanan Jarrus) was even younger before Order 66 broke out. All the Clones at the start of the war were between 9 or 10, even 11 years old (18, 20 or 22 in Clone years). Because if the Ruusan Reformation Bill, then thinking all the Sith were eradicated, no wonder the Jedi became complacent over the rest of the 1000 years coming up to The Phantom Menace.
@@rangerslayer2260 there were existing sector and planetary fleets which were the backbone for the small Republic Navy
@@Warsie Thank small mercies, but to be fair, even that doesn't save the idiocy of the Republic to pass a bill that gives up an entire army and ~95% of the Navy.
Its not like tup said to fives the dream is finally over. I wonder if he was talking about the dream of order 66.
Did the clones not have medical treatment in terms of trauma a phychologist.
Nope, they were engineered to be immune to such psychological breakdowns. It's very rare, to the point of near impossibility, for a clone to break down due to the stress of combat. Also, they would be terminated and their bodies recycled if they were found to be incapable of returning to combat operations.
There do not seem to be *any* psychologists in the Star Wars galaxy! The Jedi had to rely on vague Zen platitudes from Yoda and orders to go meditate to deal with emotional issues. Even Deanna Troi would have been a step up (and that's scary)!
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Hell no actually the Clones hardly had anything more than Absolutely Necessary Medical Treatment and pretty much no privileges at all(besides some that few Jedi Chose to give to the Clones)
It's more like everyone was in agreement that expendable soldiers don't need certain amenities like psych care or therapy or even evals. The Clones were designed to be expendable. It's why Clone Medics were rare to find...what is the sense in saving a clone with an amputation? They don't have benefits. They don't have a place even on Kamino anymore. They don't have a home to go to. They cannot be a good soldier if they are not a soldier anymore. So most Clones were just left to die because there is no reason to save them if they aren't going to be useful to the Army anymore.
I highly recommend a video called “ 501st, Our Duty” it’s pretty emotional, to the point where it will want to make you cry 😂 but something I noticed from the 501st video is when Kenobi and Jango were talking on Kamino Obi-Wan says “ your clones are impressive, you must be very proud” and then Jango says “ they’ll do their job well, I’ll guarantee that” and what I think is that Jango knew about Order 66 and was hinting towards that the Clones would do their job well at wiping out the Jedi... idk that’s just me, but I recommend watching that 501st for some emotional stuff 👌🏼👌🏼
Big brain time
Only five? There's like a thousand more signs about Order 66 the Jedi were oblivious to.
Calvin Matthews like what?
@@Its-Av3rage when Yoda visited the Ancient Sith world.. He has a vision about order 66
Broken Potato ya but that was quite late into the clone wars and he also didn’t know whether the Jedi actually did something in the future that was bad that made the clones have to do this
Yes, well..I doubt anyone would want to sit through a "Top 1,000" list.
So, for the sake of time, this list had to be scaled down a bit.
Yep, Yoda wasn’t the brightest person.
I'll say this, using an army of clones is morally dubious at best. The Jedi and Republic should only used the clones as a stopgap measure until they could transition to a military force composed of Republic citizens. (Or better yet not demilitarized in the first place).
Benjamin Griggs not really
Amber Hoke well first it’s a slave army (if that’s what you wanna call it) that love its job and very few would actually like to do something else. And theirs many advantages to that. One being that you don’t have to deal with deserters. You don’t have to worry about people really questioning orders. Not counting ones like Krells because those were suicide missions. Think about how many normal troops would question their orders. And since clones were bread to fight it already gives them such a huge advantage in combat.
Amber Hoke and their considered a slave army because they don’t have a choice of what they want to do for a living? Aren’t their so many examples of practically the same scenario that would then say you or somebody else is a slave?
@@Its-Av3rage my guy are you actually advocating for slave fighters? just making sure I'm reading this right
So what, use conscripts? how is that any different? they arent going to get enough soldiers just from volunteers, almost no country has ever at any point in time. Soldiers in large conflicts are almost always pressed to the front lines against their will. Its not a "slave army" any more than conscripted soldiers are. If thats a slave army, then literally every country ever to exist ever has used "slave armies". And clones, being genetically based on mandalorians and trained from birth for combat, are going to cope far better with war than any random civilian- not just in terms of skill, but psychologically as well.
I simply cannot get behind this concept that somehow cloning soldiers is worse than just forcing civilians to fight for you instead. And obviously a volunteer army isnt going to compete with a nation that has devoted its entire society towards producing a larger military to defeat you.
Last night i saw my neighbor had a "Humanity First" bumper sticker. What a good time to be alive!!!
Lol, that offended you?
@@TekkLuthor Of course!!! I wanna see my own family and friends shipped off to an alien wasteland mining space drugs, while im forced to watch my friends build massive alien superweapons to destroy earth, all while my mother gets pillaged by alien warlords!
I'm sorry, but is there a filthy xeno issue going on here?
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Sign number 1
There were no more Jedi in the original trilogy
A Jojo Reference underated comment
What am I supposed to do with this information? watch the prequels and tell them there's no jedis in the original trilogy so they would know about order 66?
Michael R/woooosh
A Jojo Reference R/DeadMeme
@@michaelesquivel1003 thats... not how it works.
Growing up, I always wanted to be a Jedi. Then I grew up and realized how messed up they are: too traditional, too trusting, too diplomatic, and too proud. If they weren't on the battlefield, then they were doing who knows what. Kudos to Padme for having the balls to engage on the political side of the war and stand up to Palpatine and his sympathizers. Lastly, had the Jedi provided better support (emotional, among others) to Anakin and LISTENED to him, he very well might have delivered the fatal blow to Palpatine himself.
Though I wouldn't want to be a Jedi, I especially wouldn't want to be a Sith. They are way are too psychotic and sociopathic for my liking. Nowadays, when people ask me who I'd like to be in the Star Wars universe, I tell them I'd like to be a mercenary-type, skilled and equipped, with a reputation shy of infamous. I want others to like me but I definitely want them to respect me.
EU new jedi order stuff '.' also the Cade Skywalker comic's good
lmao u want to be the mandolorian
I would be a gray Jedi gray Jedi follow only the will of the force
I would want to be a jedi they had fucking powers and could move things with their mind
@I want to suplex Joe Cecot faxx I want powers
KOTOR reference for the win!
" like Kevin spacey, there were warring signs" Lmao 🤣🤣
You mean Mandolorians are the usual suspects or that they are harassing their enemy?
Talk about all the species that can have children with each other and what the kids look like.
GREAT IDEA!!!
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A clone had two kids with a twi'lek
Easy human plus duro equals chiss
Good job some Jedi like Kota had some common sense... at least in Legends.
Jedi Spartan 38 had his units had some powersuits from Legends, they all coulda been the equivalent of Spartans from Halo. His men were all non-clone and did just as well and were obedient to the last command (not a Thrawn reference).
*Jedi council:* We have a massive new enemy to fight…
Oh look, how convenient?
Really lucky that…
In fact *super lucky* in that the main _guy who organised it_ is now leading the deadly threat, so he obviously knew about it before we even did, yet did nothing to stop it or even co-opt it.
……
Dooku could have grabbed the army for himself being a Jedi (sort of) and knowing about it before Obi-Wan and the council did, who only found out by accident(?).
And even if he couldn't pull that off, the obvious move of the CIS under Dooku was to take out Kimono as the opening move before the GAR had their forces ready or even before the Jedi knew it existed.
Then the CIS could have just steamrolled the Republic.
He sat ideally by while they became a powerful military.
*Count Dooku: [To CIS Council]* Damn, I _forgot_ about that army I helped create before I switched to your side. Should have really done something about it earlier, at least given you all the heads up.
_My bad.…_
The CIS and the Republic were run by Sidious to gain control of the galaxy. If he gave the CIS the clones it wouldn't work
Agreed. Sidious was playing both sides. He wanted the CIS to lose after a long and hard enough war that he could consolidate power and become a dictator. Dooku was simply following orders.
The beliefs were Sifo Dyas ordered it, also Dooku did order an attack on Kamino early on
@@Warsie I think Sifo Diyas never actually met with the Kaminoans, Dooku posed as him when placing the order. Dooku also played dumb at the attack on Geonosis in front of the other Seperatist leaders even though he is the one who recruited Jango Fett (using the name Tyranus) for the clones and Jango was fighting for the Seperatists on Geonosis. Confusion was the goal. The more identities Dooku took the harder it would be for the Jedi (or anyone else) to figure out what was really happening, and it worked.
First up there were no "sides" just sith puppets. Second why sould Dooku undermine the Sith plan when he was a Sith?
Jedi: Send 14 year olds to command battalions of clones in a war
Also jedi: “what the heck?! The people we sent out to die and to be replaced hate us now?”
The mere fact that the Jedi were happy to have expendable slave soldiers fight their war for them shows that they were no longer fit to rule.
They weren't happy for it, they were desperate.
they didn't rule
Theres one other huge detail you forgot to mention:
By the end of the Clone Wars Series, the jedi order had actually found out and completely understood that the clone army was created by their enemy (specifically dooku), and the army was just given to them after they wrote off the war ever happening. Instead of looking in to it more, they quite literally said "the clones are human enough and are compassionate beings, we can probably trust them, but we should finish this war quickly JUST IN CASE something bad were to happen involving them." Then they fully acknowledged that their enemy created the war and gave both sides ALL of the tools to fight it and basically just said "oh well."
They really werent that smart
Hey we clones were just following orders, its NOT our fault.
Very true mark
Yeah, a computer chip in your mind made you do it.
nazis said the same thing...
@@glass4breakfast gasp. You right. Wait... Clones basicly were a form of nazis after order 66. Hunting down all jedi. Basicly committing a genocide.
@Amber Hoke now that you mention it, you're right
And the most glaring reason of all....... right before the war starts the whole plan is basically spelled out to obiwan when he was captured in episode 2 like , then the council flatly admits the separatists seem to know where the GAR is the weakest and attack those sectors
The jedi should have yeetus the clone fetus
Lol
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For starters
1. The clone army came out of literally nowhere and were placed in the service of the Jedi order
2. Fives
3.the template for the clones is based on a ruthless warrior who hates the Jedi
4. Some ARC troopers were actually trained by Jango Fett himself
5. “The dark side of the force surrounds the chancellor “ maybe y’all should do something about that before shit reaches the tipping point
6. Who tf paid for the production of the army
Spectra Phantom, It’ll be interesting if the republic security council discovered you were massive amounts of money were coming and going from like, that’s odd,
I just found a massive transaction of hundreds of credits from count Dooku, The intergalactic banking clan, The trade federation and several other massive corporations to the Kaminoens
Sign 7 the Jedi knew dooku hired jango fett since the pykes told them
Your saviour wears black leather trench coat and has anger problems.
Anyone else the first time they saw ATC have a whole huh? about Komino and the dialogue about Sifus _who …_
The creation and appearance of the clone army just seemed so disjointed at the time, that I felt like I'd drifted off and missed something…
I feel like the main problem with the Council during the Clone Wars was arrogance. They had gone a long time without Sith or the like and were too blinded by arrogance to notice the threads of Palpatine’s plan coming together in a evil sweater of the Dark Side.
The fa t that they even used the clones is beyond me. I get in the beginning they needed an army bit it should have been priority to replace them as soon as possible. Following will be all the reason why they should have just sunk that facility on Camino.
1) The only reason a jedi went there was to investigate the attempted assassination of a senitor.
2) to a planet that was not only removed from public record but also the jedi archive.
3) after the jedi is introduced to the template for the clones Jengo attempts to kill Kenobi and then flees to Geonocha.
4) arriving there and investigating kenobi is taken prisoner by the separatist.
5) attempting to execute the trio ( Anny, Obi and Pad) The separatist are confronted by Mace and the template Jango is standing right there with them in the sky box awaiting tje execution.
And no one o mean not a fuckimg soul questions these connection. They are just like "Oh Dyas ordered them? This must be legit then. Yeah who gave that order for him to do that by way? Did it go on his jedi express card or is it COD?"
Dyas, the guy who was known for getting kicked off the council, disobedience, and have fits and visions? A bit shifty...
But maybe they're all British and their free shit radar was going off
Here are 2 more tell tale signs of order 66.
1 Palpatine increasingly influential power though out the galaxy Palpatine more than once interfered with Jedi affairs against their wishes.
2 The sith created the clone army may I say more the Jedi knowing we’re like.. Whatever that saved our lives let’s keep using them
Number one: all good soldiers followed orders
TUP! NOOOOOOOOO!
No ones going to talk about the Christmas tree in a July video..?
wtf...
Christmas in July
ah my favorite Jedi all time Revan prodigal knight
Allen’s editorials are so great. I love his anti-Jedi, anti-Republic stuff.
For the empire!
Thumbs up for the Christmas tree in July. Merry Christmas to all!!!
i like the theory that yoda actually did predict order 66 but recognized that by the time he put the pieces together it was to late and only by allowing order 66 to happen would the over all war against the sith be won through the birth of luke. this was hinted at during the episode of the clone wars where yoda learns to become a force ghost but never expressly stated.
I believe the biggest sign of Order 66 was Count Dooku. According to Canon, the Jedi found out he was “Tyrannus”, the Jedi even admitted that Dooku made the clone army for them. And when Obi-Wan was captured Dooku straight up revealed the chancellor was behind the republic and a sith.
Off topic, a video or series on the army of light and the Jedi military before the Ruuson reformation. The Jedi had their own military, navy and even battle armour.
And a comparison between that and the clone wars Jedi sounds interesting, also would the clone wars Jedi have checked back on their past history for ideas?
I think the biggest warning was the reveal that Dooku was the one who had commissioned the clones. And the Jedi's response was "trust in the clones we must".
Another warning was when the clones who are infected with mind controling parasites from Geonosis ambush Ashoka and say "if there's one thing we clones know, it's how to stop Jedi".
But then Ahsoka probably had passed out before hearing it.
I always found it odd that they all looked the same. It was definitely a clue I think.
They were clones... that's the point
luftwaffe pilot but clones could have many different meanings
@@Mushruums you sir are a fucking idiot.
On a total binge of your content again. Love the work you do. Great comedic timing. And... I rode down to venice beach again this year. If your down to ride down next year for the SBK in Monterey let me know. Cheers bro.
Hindsight always is 20/20
“5 warning signs that order 66 was going to happen” bro the thumbnail is literally a Jedi 2 seconds away from being shot no wonder it was gonna happen
He was probably running round Felucia forest licking mushrooms and local wildlife- Generation Tech
Fun fact, the white Kamanoan walls are actually colors on the Ultraviolet spectrum (Kamanoans can see Ultraviolet light)
Well, Aayla Secura was in the thumbnail so I'm obligated to watch. Keep up the kick ass vids!
Man i love watching your vids as I am in between projects. Thanks again
Obi-Wan must've been on death-sticks when he got to the Kaminoan cloning facility because he just walks in and agrees to take the clone army that he's never heard of without a second thought.
There were a few Jedi who weary of the Clones (in legends) most notably Quinlan Vos, who was very hostile to the clone troopers under his command; despite his suspicions he was still a victim of order 66 but he was able to best his troops and survive.
Another example, again in legends, is Ram Kota, who refused to lead clones into battle and instead commanded a Republic milita force. I believe that because these Jedi were unorthodox in their ways, and because not only was the Jedi order completely consumed by group think and outright arrogance, but also had their minds clouded by Sidious, they were completely unable to see order 66 coming and hence were largely easy unassuming targets.
Syfo Dias placing the order for the Grand Army of the Republic - "Do you take cashier's check?"
That one dislike is order 66
Mace Windu seemed to think it was a party.
The Jedi might have avoided Order 66 if they had "read the manual", at least according to legends. While Order 66 is a response to betrayal of the Jedi there were at least 3 other orders the Jedi could have invoked to aid in arresting Palpatine. Doing so would have nullified Order 66 as these orders would have stripped him of his authority.
“ *5* warning signs that order 66 was going to happen”
*5*
*Five*
*Fives*
Sidious really just came out of know where and just owned and destroyed the Jedi.
Can't imagine how patient and self control it took to not use the clone army against the Jedi for so long.
He was in insidious artist and overmathched the Jedi by far
"Think for yourself, you know ... Rah rah rah, all that good stuff" I love it
“Like Kevin Spacey” hahaha that’s a good one😂
Thank you for saying that the rams moving back to LA was d*** move!! Overall the rest of the video was great!!
One of my questions is why didn't the republic try a droid army to help out the clone army if not with infantry then with star fighters. Like 3/4 ships used end up crashing and I have not to date seen a surviving clone pilot in the whole series.
I'm from St. Louis. The Rams had like 2 good seasons, they hardly had fans, them leaving was a non-issue. The Arizona Cardinals used to be ours too. STL is a baseball town
And hockey. No matter how many losses, we're not gonna turn our backs on The Blues. 😅
And the fact that the kaminoans kept the existence of the chip a secret until it failed should have raised red flags about them as well. The kaminoans said they were needed to keep the agressive tendecies of Jango in check, so it is something the jedi should have made aware of, since that sounds like something you would have to look out for in case of head injuries.
I always thought it disappointing how little they actually investigated the clones, in the movies it's understandable they had limited time, in the clone wars series they could have dedicated some a little more to it. Could have been some episodes with Tera Sinube, he seemed interesting and would be perfectly suited to investigate the clones origin.
Hondo Ohnaka confirmed that Jango was honorable to Boba Fett in the season 2 finale of Clone Wars.
Great shot at Kevin Spacey LOL :)
This is the funniest matter of fact channel I’ve seen ever
"Fertilized Jango Fett egg" I can never unhear that. 1:29
Great review/video 👍☯️👍
I watch alot of your videos. I don't comment on very many. . . but this one made me laugh. . . l wanna thank you for that. . . especially in this COVID shit going on. . . Be safe, keep making videos. . . I will keep watching.
Actually canonically Jango and boba fett were not Mandalorian but were just skilled bounty hunters that adopted the armour
Seems like Mandalorian is a way of life and not a race.
Not anymore
Jango was a Mandalorian Foundling - essentially an individual adopted by the Mandalorians to become one of them
Nah that was just Zatine’s government saying some BS
@@willhyde5026 like another we know , Din
Your references were so good haha
Even when that toad dude with two double blades started killing clones and putting them against eachother the Jedi should have maybe realised that some clones would never look at them the same and always hold animosity over the slaughter of their brothers
"Feline species, who probably deserved it. I'm a dog guy"
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
This one of my favorite vids from you. Your comparisons made me laugh
My respect for Rahm Kota increases. He had his own militia where any soldier could go toe to toe with any clone. These guys even aided in the capture of Darth Vader. Even after they were likely marked as terrorists they showed immense loyalty in helping Kota try to lure out Vader in the first place.
Don't forget the hubris that was the Jedis' demise. You're spot on about the groupthink, though.
'Unnecessarily cool and modern looking chairs', made me ROFL!
8:38 "unnecessarily cool and modern looking chairs" That's a soup spoon
"Not someone you would want to invite into your house" Hahahahaha, brilliant
Jango Fett is not a real mandalorian, he just wears mandalorian armor
He was in legends which retconned itself a lot
You're vids are so in depth I was like but you missed and you brought up the clone with the family
I think the biggest warning sign was when the clones started pointing guns at Jedi Generals
The argument regarding Jango fett being the clone templet was known to the jedi order. The whole point of attack of the clones episode was to show why the clone army was needed. It was a desperate maneuver
Why is the Christmas tree up and it’s July 2019?
Not all mandaloriens were bad, Sabine had a sketchy past but overall she was a good person
Here I would highly disagree. She was a Mandalorian who put the interests of the Rebels far too high and those of the Mandalorians far too low. She was in her younger years a "fan girl" of duchess Satine (hardly a point of view many sane Mandalorian could share, Satine was a constant damsel in distress with brains as weak as her ability to rescue herself without Jedi-baby-sitters) and developed a weapon which could toast Mandos in their own armor. And she helped the rebels murder thousands defenseless Imperial soldiers and support personal without any real need at Lothol. If you call that a good person, than a scumbag-bounty hunter is really god-like.
Marc Bartuschka how do you have a defenseless soldier? That’s a freaking oxymoron I believe
The Jedi was so arrogant sitting in their palace that they were oblivious to the obvious sign that order 66 was going to happen.
I always wondered where the name "order 66" came from, at first I found it a little random, but I thought it should have been inspired by something. Then I couldn't stop thinking (after watching a video about WWII) that the order 66, and Executive Order 9066 are related. Both constitute in orders that led to betrayal, and very sad consequences.
Kind of didnt think of the fact that the clones were in a way a mandalorian superarmy
The BIGGEST clue that the Jedi not just overlooked, but flat-out ignored
was learning Count Dooku was Darth Tyranus, and as such provided for them the Clone Army in the first place.
This should've been a smoking gun, but the Jedi idiotically decided to keep this a secret from the Republic,
on the grounds that it would "undermine the clones sacrifices, and the people's faith in them."
It's almost like they were TRYING to get their order destroyed, or something.
Has it ever been explained why the first time we see the clones (the scene where they're sitting and eating on Camino) look totally different? Then in the next movie they all look like Jango?
The Jedi intercepted many transmissions between Darth Sidious and Dooku, why didn’t they recognise palpatine’s voice and chin?
The thumbnail is just gorgeous.
The fact he had django on Jangos head was hilarious
The thing about fett is that he is a bounty hunter.
Hired killers that can be trusted to honor there contract(if they want to be hired, reputation mathers)
I dont think people care about a hired killer being used for clone dna.
If anything it makes sense to hire someone who's loyalty is for sale.
No idiology to get in the way.
Sorry if this ruins one of your facts but the Kaminoans see in a different spectrum and there plain interiors look extravagant to them
what's the clip at 3:32 from?
Great points!
Hell yeah brother, I’m from
STL and I rooted against them in the super bowl
Revan didn't take Mandalores mask. The mask belonged to a female mandalorian that was killed when she tried to defend the cathar. But despite this nice Video.
I feel like this is an apology for that one time a few years ago where he said Jango wasn't a mandolorian, and you know what. I'll take it.
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