Yes, I reissue this comment for the criticisms and complaints. made these videos to better explain this topic Comics Artists vs Mangakas Explained ruclips.net/video/7RQgtqlyYyA/видео.html Comics Artists vs Mangakas - THE REVENGE ruclips.net/video/7gEhtLTBYBo/видео.html This video is meant to be entertaining, not to be taken seriously, and made for FUN. This is an art versus related only to drawing, many told me that I did not do justice to the work of many artists and there were other complaints about Togashi, I already explained everything in my video of comic artists vs mangakas explanation and comic artists vs mangakas revenge, if you do not want to see that or read the description of this video, then I will not write a wall of text, I have every right and my reasons to respond to the fanboys in my own video, do not tell me what I have to do on my own channel. Yes, Togashi has bad drawings, stop victimizing, I only mean the explicit content of the drawings, let's give the medal to the best runner to someone without legs, the intention and the merit are not related to the result, He can be very dedicated in other aspects, I ONLY MEAN THE DRAWING, he is a good writer but his drawings are full of inconsistencies, the fanboys only saw the anime and did not read the manga or analyze the drawings, do not give me the example of ONE who makes psychedelic art and izayama who was someone who was starting, Togashi has been in this business for dozens years old and liefeld, who is more criticized, draws better.
If you're gonna persist on being "empirical", then how about you start comparing fairly. You brought up how Rob Liefeld and Togashi are bad at anatomy when the first does it due to lack of experience while the latter does it due to stylization. Hell, if you wanna bring up his health problems, why don't you start using examples from when he's at his peak? Yu Yu Hakusho is one of his early works, and the character you showed wasn't even supposed to be anatomically correct or natural. Rob Liefeld's Captain America is supposed to be a fucking human, of course people are put off by it.
@@youraverageguy4930 I did not say that togashi did anatomy badly, I put that he is considered one of the worst mangakas because of the doodles and his little dedication (as I said before, he can have a drawing assistant or finish the manga) If we are going to use that logic, then let's say that what Rob Liefeld does is also an artistic style, I can also play the same game. the manga generally does not have a realistic style, in this same video I put a drawing of the toguro team that does not have a mile of comparison with the quality of the liefeld designs. the comic has a standard and liefeld brings his own touch, in my opinion the idea of captain america of liefeld is that he does not look human, he is a super human after all. But of course we are all going to defend Togashi because we have no criteria.
@@NUEBOHEMIO Most of Togashi's character designs and overall style range from cartoonish to semi-realistic. His art during his peak is nowhere near "doodles", just take a look at his recent chapters and volume covers. Compare that to Rob Liefeld whose designs are extremely repetitive and aims towards realism. His inability to express form in his drawings clash horribly with his inkers and colourists. He aims for a realistic style yet he fails to apply one of the basic fundamentals of drawing. Also, Captain America is supposed to LOOK human. Your super human argument doesn't work because he's supposed to be a buff dude with super human strength, compared to a character that *literally* changes his physical appearance.
@@youraverageguy4930 everyone will have their own way of seeing a character and their own version, nobody complains when Frank Miller makes a square batman. You do not have to defend the indefensible, Togashi put scribbles in the manga, just read the end of the chimera ant arc, on the other hand Rob Liefeld has very good drawings that I did not put in the video. Togashi's designs look better in anime, one example is Yu Yu Hakusho's anime, which improved on several of the manga's designs and the characters look more anatomically correct. I inform myself of the work of both, if you do not believe me, investigate rob liefeld's drawings to see that he has more details and does everything in a more dedicated way, I do not blame togashi, he is good at writing stories, but leaves much to be desired in the drawing.
@@NUEBOHEMIO No one complained about Frank Miller's Batman because it's an artistic choice. He was aiming for a semi-realistic art but he still knew how to apply basic fundamentals of drawing. His later works however, is another story. "I inform myself of the work of both"? "investigate Rob Liefeld's drawings to see that he has more details and does everything in a more dedicated way"? You are literally cherry-picking Togashi's works from the time when he was just starting out as a manga artist and the period when his health started to fuck him up while comparing them to Liefeld's works during his supposed prime. Have you seen Hunter x Hunter's re-released volumes of the Chimera Ant arc and the following arcs? have you seen his Volume covers?
@Shin Shaman man wtf you have problems, you are discussing in this comment thread for 3 months and now you are disrespecting one of the precursors of dark fantasy genre, if you dont like berserk then fine but you dont need to be an idiot, you fkin manchild.
I'm Japanese. I think manga considers movements to be most important, and comic considers paintings to be. So average comic picture looks less lively but more sophisticated as one artwork. Ofcourse there are many exceptions, but there's a certain tendency. I like both.
you pretty much nailed. Superheroes do not particularly have some array of named attacks , repeated over and over , showcasing every motion of it. Let's put "My Hero Academia" as an example , with Endervoir vs Human Torch: Endervoir have "Jetburn" , "Proeminence Burn" and that Fire Web attack and Fire Javelin...all of those are clear-cut attacks that you know what they do and their motion. Meanwhile , Human Torch just flies and makes fire blast , improvising on the spot , his only realy signature move is "Supernova" which is an AoE Explosion , which the closest motion to it would be "Proeminence Burn". But like you said , there are exceptions , there is not much naming and a lot of improvisation on the characters in how they fight , but Batman and Spider-Man puts movements in a more front seat , specially Spider-Man.
It's preatty visible on "Spider-Man by Bagley" vs "Spider-Man by Murata". Murata's Spider-Man looks like he could start moving at any second and his webs look like they are still mid-extending outside the screen, while Bagley's looks like a photo with perfect lightning and composition, Like Spider-Man posed mid action for the selfie. There are exceptions, of course, but in general comics and manga look like that.
Well, in a comic three people can work as a basimo inker and colorist in a manga they can work up to an entire studio in fact a manga by Kentaro Miura (Duranki) had help from a studio
The thing i like manga is that the characters are owned by their creators, all the mangakas presented here own and created their respective characters and their universes, meanwhile the american ones, they indeed draw well, but they didn't create the characters( in the majority of drawings i see) and these are owned by corporations, the only real creator was stan lee, who is resting in heaven.
Thats not fair to say at all and that's rude to comic creator there many western comics where they create there own universe and characters your just talking about marvel and DC which is rude to western comic creators.
@@upon1326 but marvel and DC are the heart of Comics, they are the ones that sell the most, but I feel you, there are some good independent creators, and none of those are presented in this video.
I'm not gonna lie, the matchups were crazy well chosen. Props for putting in extra effort to compare the artists as fairly as possible by choosing really fitting matchups.
@@bait5257 Haha, I noticed that as well. Miura's early work was... rough (both in writing and art), but the later Berserk mangas are otherworldly (sometimes literally).
@@bait5257 they probably Show them at the most similar and not at their best for example closeups of part 7 and 8 would have painted Araki in an entirely different light.
@@bigdaddyb1837 Don't come with that BS of tjis is better than this. Slrry for you if you don't enjoy both of them. But don't say manga is better than comic or comics are betrer than manga. Both of then are amazing, with amazing art and storyline.
@tom gu that could be true, but that doesn't make comics worst than manga o better. As i see, with all this Disney taking Marvel, comics has rebirth in all the world. And there's a lot of real good comics from another editorial.
@@theanimelibarian7881 The video would be two hours long if he were to compare each artist in detail and give his reasoning for each choice. The video was simply intended to be an interesting face-off of artists for us to think about. So I don't know why you assume this guy is a softy who's "averse to comparison" or hurting anyone's feelings with his opinions.
this video is proof that there is no shortage of drawing talent in america for comics, the thing that went wrong are the stories, while in Japan the creator have their own story the present it the publishers give it a chance and things go from there, in America there is a narative to push certain stories and agendas and ignore the ones that dont follow it. such a shame.
@@MrGalRoz the whole idea of certain publishers having their own universe is what kills the comic industry in the us, and that's why invincible is so highly appraised because it's its own thing
They do not sell and ended up wasted, Yes Vertigo, Image Etc broke this mold, but ironically they ended up being just like Marvel & DC with new created characters being sucked in to the Universe of each company. What the West needs is its own Shonen Jump as a way for aspiring artist to get recognition that way the mold of "insert comic house here" would be broken.
@Dan Hernández he is kiddo.Ignore him no wonder currenct American comic fall down Like shit even trash generic isekai superior than this woke currenct American comic
They overly use square-shaped, cross-hatching as being using a rule as well. The smoth transition drawn in manga by a loose cross-hatching outlining sphere shapes makes it look more "alive", the gesture and action is pushed-up. Also dirtiness spots aren't drawn in comic, making a illustration as clean as they can. There's no uneveness as in manga- even smoke is clean making motioned action scenes feel a bit dimmed compared with manga. Ah, also the diference between black and white zones are sharply distincted, there's vaguely a intermediate zone between them. That narrows a little the expresiveness of some escenes.
It almost feels like taboo if a comic artist doesn’t draw Batman or Superman. I always thought I was weird how DC and Marvel monopolize the comic industry in the west. And we have these new upcoming comic artist with unique styles that are kind of wasted on marvel and dc. And the concept of heroes and villains is too cut and dry to be relatable and kind of boring.
It isn't just hero and villain, some comics are, but not all of them, is more complex than that, of course those conceps are there, but in what story arent? Almost every story has those conceps, and its fine, what matters is what the writter does with them
@@cradodragmire1563 tbh i might have a unpopular opinion but i like superman the most because he is the OG he paved the way for most super heros in comics. But the reason i find him interesting is not because i could relate to him. But because he is inspiring. Everytime they make superman relatable he becomes more uninteresting example n52 they made his powers weaker and became more cool and it absolutely bombed...... the way to make superman is he has to be noble, a boy scout and inspire. Although i do want to see a Non american take on Marvel and DC. And im not talking about in terms of animation and drawings. Like litteral own take of it. Hopefully we do get an japanese take on DC and marvel or any other european take.
Yes and some kiddos or ( some of the fans ) just being cringe and kiddos to say comic this manga this lol . They didn't know some mangaka and comic artist loved each other art
@@memecream752 Apparently hes too prideful to hire someone to draw for him. People are saying that he should just let his wife do it (Sailor moon Author).
Togashi Sensei stated that either his manga’s story will end first ir his life’s story will end first, Hunter x Hunter was one of the most notable mangas that Togashi had written. The story is long but not boring. He wanted Hunter x Hunter to have a satisfying ending but due to his current health state, he cannot continue the manga for awhile.
Mangakas can shine better as the industry is not saturated with just a few characters.the problem with American comics is that it's soo convoluted,most of the characters have a shit ton of comics and it makes it hard to follow
Comics aren't really saturated with few characters there is millions of characters and stories and even comics aren't just Marvel/dc theres multiple different stuff
Yeah. I tried reading MARVEL/DC but I don't really know where to start. I read guides. But for some reason the start doesn't feel like a start. So yeah, i just gave it up LOL. And there's too many things going on anyway. Too messy. Searching standalone comics now though. I've watched Invincible S1 and now reading the comics. And it's good.
@@всемпривет-и1щ Nothing happend, they chose that artstyle for a Oneshot comic targeted to teenagers that is not canon. Normal comics still have amazing artwork.
As a... uhm, WEEB, i can truly say that after this video, i have a lot more respect to comic artists and illustrators, i'd even put my baises aside and say that this illustrator, Alex Ross, does art better and more realistically than any artist i've ever had the pleasure of witnessing, and this is including the manga illustrators that i hold so much biased towards, like Kentarou Miura, Takehiko Inoue, and even Junji Ito. Great vid man! 👍
There’s shitty comics and trashy mangas but there’re also a lot of great comics and mangas. Don’t judge things by it lowest point, be fair. If manga fans want to bring out Vagabond and Berserk then Comic fans can bring out masterpieces like Sandman, the Dark Knight or The Killing Joke,... Overall this video is only based around art so I think we should talk about art style more. Personally I prefer comic art style for its epic coloring and amazing anatomy, poses! Nonetheless, some mangas really exceeded those criteria too, it’s amazing to see how different culture adapt the same kind of visual storytelling
The different is only one thing. Creativity and freedom. Tell me, when is the last time you see an original comic from western reach the same height with batman/superman? Close to none. Western talent are wasted imo. They have amazing talent but never utilize it. No original character and original story. All refresh same story but with a twist here and there and spin off.
While you can't deny Kirby's influence and talent. I'm pretty sure the Father of Comics is Will Eisner. He had an amazing output of comics after serving in WWII. He even invented the term "Graphic Novel" when trying to pitch some comics.
@@hardikrai2836 just like miura, togashi become lazy shit that rather play dragon quest than drawing manga. Also, he is rich as fuck now, why bother drawing manga again?
The video was overall good. But that shade you threw at togashi was unfair. Dude has chronic back pain which is why his art is not always consistent. When he is feeling well his art is God tier. Versus lifield who has bad anatomy.
I feel it is unfair as well, looking at the amount of beautiful artwork he’s committed in YYH and HxH before his hiatus went far off shouldn’t make him even close to being one of “the worst”, he even reworked on panels in HxH which he himself knew was inexcusable. Sure I agree he is literally shitting out dialogue in the latest HxH chapters but come on, the dude himself has drawn so much beautiful artwork in the panels of his manga. Which the majority of them have been great to look at, especially for a Weekly Shonen Jump magazine.
@@HerMi.T no it’s not. It’s different in a fantasy world like one piece where the anatomy of that kind is part of the world. In the comics liefeld was making it doesn’t make sense. Like arms don’t bend that way, that extra muscle doesn’t exist. He literally hates drawing feat so hurts the story and arch for images to not fit that
I never liked this stance in these kind of discussions... cause deep down you have a preference if you're honest with yourself. Ferrari vs Lamborghini, Red or Blue, Madrid vs Barcelona, Prince or Michael Jackson... deep down you have a choice for all those, and that's ok.
@@cyspiegel8603 it’s common sense really. What you prefer is not the same as what is objectively “better". I may like metal more than rock but that doesn’t make rock worse, it’s just different, which is why art is mostly subjective rather than factual
@@cyspiegel8603 Preference is different though. What the OP is saying is that one is not objectively better than the other since they are both different styles.
I think my favorite thing from this video was seeing the similarities between these artists. In regards to Mignola vs. Atsushi, you can see how they use depth and shadow in their work. Its semi simplified but it never loses its emotion. I feel this was less like a "who did it better" and more of a "hey look, these are two different genres of art, but look at how alike they can be!" and for that, i appreciate this video, it was nice to see this.
They aren't different genre's more different adaptations of one Medium The difference is literally only the place of origin and the cultural influence in that.
Its just the style of comics, but you get used to it in my opinion. Coming from manga to comics I thought was weird too, but I learned to enjoy it and get a feel for it. I feel like some in this comment section came from a more manga background and find comics strange or even inferior when they're just different.
@@Ouchthathurt843 artistically they both have their strengths and weaknesses. Story wise and even emotionally i would pick manga. Not to mention they also have so much more variety. They can literally make a story about farming, cooking, and sleeping have a nice spin to it.
Alex Ross's art has more realism into his tone of skills but Kentaro Miura had more detail to the characteristics involving its grittiness of his style. Both of them are legends *R.I.P. Kentaro Miura*
True it's kinda sad because I use to love how western comics were colored and drawn but now everything just looks so bland while Manga is almost more artistic and expressive
I agree. But at the same time there’s stuff like dark knights death metal, king in black, x of swords, etc. which are all super recent and they have phenomenal art.
@@bryanmerel I’m not saying one is better than the other. I highly respect both. I just wanted to make it clear that there are still passionate and skilled western comic artists in the industry. And that isn’t to say that there aren’t equally as passionate and skilled manga artists.
With Comic book artists, they put a lot of shadow and detail, which I love and is really difficult to imitate With Mangakas they simplify a few things while managing to make it look cool, they create new cool characters which I like Conclusion: Comic book artists are amazing at shadow and detail Mangakas are better at fashion and characters But both are good at making characters seem 3D and realistic
I'll be honest man, the west _had_ amazing artists as household names in the comic industry at one point. But nowadays unfortunately not so much, at least the great ones aren't well known. The only ones getting any form of recognition are the ones drawing sub-par "politically correct" comics.
@@P5Joker agree, and sadly many of them only famous for superhero theme while eastern manga had more varied theme to use, even in my country manga is more popular than american comics and manga also easier to find in our bookstore, while western comic that sell in our country usually had relation to DC and marvel which didn had many variation than manga, u can correct me if im wrong im not really familiar with western comic but i many western author drawing are really good and it's such a shame to see good artist talent to be wasted and didnt being recognize by many people
Despite how different the artstyle is from comic vs manga, you can tell they are very similar. Whether it’s detailed, perspective or inking, they’re all equally amazing. They’re all amazing artists and there’s no need to say which is better. :)
@@doclouis4236 European comics is an absolute goldmine, and it deserves more attention in North America. For me, Asterix is absolutely magical. I could pick an old book every couple of years and have a completely different experience. Reading Asterix as kid: Laugh at all the funny jokes and slapstick. Reading Asterix as an adult: Suddenly notice all the historical jokes and references that completely flew over my head!
When people say this same thing but with comics all the anime fans start assuming they've never read any manga's. I don't know why everyone pushes down comics so much, they are good a lot of the time, and as well as this people complain about how op the characters are and complain about scaling (and having looked at how some anime characters are scaled, making fun of comics scaling is amusingly ironic)
Wow. I honestly thought this would be just an average video of a fanboy, instead, I found an unbiased comparison of powerhouse artists and their counterpart of the other side. Well done, NUEBOHEMIO. You're obviously knowledgeable on the stuff, and you clearly did your research.
My favorites: Hirohiko Araki, Kentaro Miura (Rest in Peace), Yusuke Murata and Takehito Inoue Bonus: Akira Toriyama his style it's simple but one of the most recognizable and unique
I don't see any differences, just looking at the fact that all of this, whether comic or manga, requires great skill and great effort to become what it is today.
I think that people need to understand the vast difference between the Manga industry, the traditional comics industry in the US, and the European comics industry. In Japan, manga books are so mainstream that people left them on the subway's seats! Also, the characters are totally not owned by their creators, legally talking, the creators are bound to the magazines and publication houses they signed with. Example : when Shaman King was cancelled from Jump because the ratings got too low according to Jump magazine, which is a huge corporation in Japan, Hiroyuki Taikei could NOT self-publish or even seek another publisher...! He lost the possibility of ending is epic 32 books series, up until another publication house decided to buy the rights from Jump.
The Manga industry is a lot more like the Pop music or Hollywood industry in the West. It's hugely mainstream, competitive, the creators are rock stars, but there a whole team behind the most popular series, much more than for comics. The size and nature of the industry is entirely different. Mangas are consumed like fast-food. In the West the comics is now mostly a collectors' market; and in Europe, it turned into a collectors' market a long time ago with the large-format hardcover books. I'm not sure people get the scope of work needed to be a successful published mangaka in Japan. 60-80 hours weeks non-stop and your entire life's work, even if it's cult, can get cancelled over some rating. Think 3x the amount of work needed for a successful webcomic. It simply is not the comic paradise we want to believe it is here in the West. There is a cost to selling so many copies of anything.
It's obvious, isn't it, that other companies can't sell Spiderman exclusively on their own, even in west? The main issue is the payment of royalties to the author. manag gets royalties to the author. The comic system, where the author does not receive royalties, should be seriously considered.
I would never compare beautiful art to each other they're both honestly talented without manga and comic book artists our favorite characters would be nothing they're just important as their stories
You did a great job at finding comparable styles between comic book and manga artists. Great video, I knew a lot of these amazing artists already but not all of them, I'll take this as an opportunity to learn more , thank you very much
They’re both so amazing, I really like comics because of how usually realistic and detailed they’re drawn but I also like manga because of how expressive and fun it is. There’s no way I could ever pick one.
@@deavinwarren1412 I think that applies more to mainstream anime, would you happen to be talking of big eyes, small nose, small mouth, big head attributes?
@@DrWiki-po1hk manga also has Politics as well and notice how you don't actually know s*** about comics because they're still making incredible art dumbass look I know you're just a biased anime weep that has no real arguments and hasn't picked up already comic only watch those why manga is out selling comic videos how about actually reading comics before you try to talk about them
Hard to say, there are a-lot of great works from these artist. The only thing I can says is; in manga the artist puts in a-lot more emotion in there works.
I wouldn't say that. They have to follow a certain style to be considered manga. Comic don't have boundaries, they could even do manga looking art style. But yes I do agree they put more emotion into the faces, kind like whay Todd mcfarlane does, he breaks the anatomy.
Rip to Kentaro Miura who’s name will be known for creating a master piece and will always live on in his work. Guts- “He died doing what he wanted, no matter what right? I bet he was happy”
I love how you found on both sides artist with similar styles/techniques to judge them fairly, which just shows that at the end of the day beautuful art is beautiful art
hmmm, i personally wouldnt say Togashi was bad, the character was supposed to look grotesque, it wasnt supposed to be human. It was literally written as a monster, so it should look like one.
I just want to present some respect to Kentaro Miura, who can only be described as a genius. He gave us an excellent story, an excellent narrative, excellent character and his amazing and precious drawing in Berserk.
I can't let you get away with that togashi shit man, he's one of the best mangaka ever. His art is only really bad pretty rarely, and it has more to do with his mental health than his artistic skill. But when he's good, he's fucking good. Some of the best design sense, paneling and just visual storytelling in either comics or manga
Yeah I thought that was pretty disrespectful to Togashi. Considering the health issues he's had to deal with, while penning some of the greatest Action/Shounen of all time.
Yes, but Rob Liefeld is, actually, a better comic artist them him. or you're trying to imply that the creator is trying to say that both as trash, except that only Togashi isn't as bad as people claim? If that's the point you're trying to make, them you're being unfair.
Dont forget Hirohiko Araki's artwork too. Yes It may not be as detailed as Kentarou's or Yusuke's but It has the most unique art style I've ever seen. Different from the rest. Which made it the black sheep of the ten oldest shounen manga ever made.
Moebius = magic, mood, vibe .... He epitomises the atmospheric magical vibe which is why his artworks are rarely ever on the loud, bombastic side ... among the most sensual artist ever .. so many artists are big fans of his, even including Hayao Miyazaki ...
I don't really care about comparing them, but i think it's cool that you found similar art styles, also a great vid for manga recommendations (or for comics)
He forgot two greatest authors, Alan Moore and Kazuko Koike, Alan Moore is regarded as one of the best comics book writers, his Watchmen is regarded as one of the greatest comic books ever and his another masterpieces are V for Vendetta, From hell, Batman: the killing joke all of them are 10/10 and Kazuko Koike is one of the best mangakas, his notable manga is "Lone wolf and cub" is regarded as one of the best and influential manga his other masterpieces are Wounded Man, Lady snowblood, Crying Freeman, Oscar, all of them are 10/10
What is important in manga is not only good drawing and story, but also skillful spatial awareness, pauses, realism and movement. Akira Toriyama of Dragon Ball fame has completely mastered all of these things. Well, he grew tired of his weekly serialization and began to dislike drawing. His early drawings revolutionized manga, as did those of Osamu Tezuka and Katsuhiro Otomo.
I honestly have mass amounts of respect for both parties for their craft and and just... amazing art. They’re both completely different styles with their own charm I LOVE BOTH
@Hamza Akram it should be evident comics go for a more realistic art style. If any “anime weebs” won’t admit it I seriously doubt they are above the age of 13. Manga IMO still have much better storylines and characters.
As someone already mentioned I also think that comic artists should start to develop their own stories and characters instead of rehashing the same 10 heroes over and over again. Manga still stays fresh all the time because so many new stories and characters are constantly coming out which boosts its variety a lot over comics.
The most common thing in the most of the mangaka and comic Book artist is that they have a really amazing experience in drawing realism and that's a advantage that they can Easily stylize their Artstyle.
Honestly something interesting that this video unintentionally highlights is how the American comics industry evolved in such a way that it’s mainly ruled by the institutions set up from the original major IPs which are constantly reinterpreted and reiterated upon. So being a comic artist in America most likely means your best known work is for one of those well known and recognized IPs. Meanwhile in Japan each comic artists is usually a mangaka and is pretty much their own thing with their own series that have just as much, if not more, of a chance to make an impact as the oldest and most established IPs (which, if still around, are usually more so long running series divided into multiple sections rather than constantly reinventing/recycling themselves like in the USA). This is pretty interesting to just see and kinda makes sense when you consider each country’s general economic and cultural tendencies
All those comic artist they been drawing the same character whatever be a DC characters or marvel characters! So different when it come to Japanese mangaka that they created their OWN CHARACTER OWN STORY AND BE THE REAL LEGEND TO EVER EXIST
Most of the western artists in this video have worked on creator owned stuff as well. But video didn't incude them because everybody knows Batman and spider-man, not everybody knows The Maxx or Ninjak.
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This is an art versus related only to drawing, many told me that I did not do justice to the work of many artists and there were other complaints about Togashi, I already explained everything in my video of comic artists vs mangakas explanation and comic artists vs mangakas revenge, if you do not want to see that or read the description of this video, then I will not write a wall of text, I have every right and my reasons to respond to the fanboys in my own video, do not tell me what I have to do on my own channel.
Yes, Togashi has bad drawings, stop victimizing, I only mean the explicit content of the drawings, let's give the medal to the best runner to someone without legs, the intention and the merit are not related to the result, He can be very dedicated in other aspects, I ONLY MEAN THE DRAWING, he is a good writer but his drawings are full of inconsistencies, the fanboys only saw the anime and did not read the manga or analyze the drawings, do not give me the example of ONE who makes psychedelic art and izayama who was someone who was starting, Togashi has been in this business for dozens years old and liefeld, who is more criticized, draws better.
If you're gonna persist on being "empirical", then how about you start comparing fairly.
You brought up how Rob Liefeld and Togashi are bad at anatomy when the first does it due to lack of experience while the latter does it due to stylization. Hell, if you wanna bring up his health problems, why don't you start using examples from when he's at his peak? Yu Yu Hakusho is one of his early works, and the character you showed wasn't even supposed to be anatomically correct or natural. Rob Liefeld's Captain America is supposed to be a fucking human, of course people are put off by it.
@@youraverageguy4930 I did not say that togashi did anatomy badly, I put that he is considered one of the worst mangakas because of the doodles and his little dedication (as I said before, he can have a drawing assistant or finish the manga)
If we are going to use that logic, then let's say that what Rob Liefeld does is also an artistic style, I can also play the same game.
the manga generally does not have a realistic style, in this same video I put a drawing of the toguro team that does not have a mile of comparison with the quality of the liefeld designs.
the comic has a standard and liefeld brings his own touch, in my opinion the idea of captain america of liefeld is that he does not look human, he is a super human after all.
But of course we are all going to defend Togashi because we have no criteria.
@@NUEBOHEMIO Most of Togashi's character designs and overall style range from cartoonish to semi-realistic. His art during his peak is nowhere near "doodles", just take a look at his recent chapters and volume covers.
Compare that to Rob Liefeld whose designs are extremely repetitive and aims towards realism. His inability to express form in his drawings clash horribly with his inkers and colourists. He aims for a realistic style yet he fails to apply one of the basic fundamentals of drawing.
Also, Captain America is supposed to LOOK human. Your super human argument doesn't work because he's supposed to be a buff dude with super human strength, compared to a character that *literally* changes his physical appearance.
@@youraverageguy4930 everyone will have their own way of seeing a character and their own version, nobody complains when Frank Miller makes a square batman.
You do not have to defend the indefensible, Togashi put scribbles in the manga, just read the end of the chimera ant arc, on the other hand Rob Liefeld has very good drawings that I did not put in the video.
Togashi's designs look better in anime, one example is Yu Yu Hakusho's anime, which improved on several of the manga's designs and the characters look more anatomically correct.
I inform myself of the work of both, if you do not believe me, investigate rob liefeld's drawings to see that he has more details and does everything in a more dedicated way, I do not blame togashi, he is good at writing stories, but leaves much to be desired in the drawing.
@@NUEBOHEMIO No one complained about Frank Miller's Batman because it's an artistic choice. He was aiming for a semi-realistic art but he still knew how to apply basic fundamentals of drawing. His later works however, is another story.
"I inform myself of the work of both"?
"investigate Rob Liefeld's drawings to see that he has more details and does everything in a more dedicated way"?
You are literally cherry-picking Togashi's works from the time when he was just starting out as a manga artist and the period when his health started to fuck him up while comparing them to Liefeld's works during his supposed prime. Have you seen Hunter x Hunter's re-released volumes of the Chimera Ant arc and the following arcs? have you seen his Volume covers?
Winner?
Both Mangaka and Comic artists. They are equally amazing
And have heavily influenced each other as well. I would say they coevolved and you can see the influence they have on each other.
Finally someone who gets it
Not really, both can be amazing in their own way, but still totally different.
@@jonnymario771 that doesn't make any sense. There are as many styles as there are artists, there is no such thing as "manga" Style.
@@VITOLLFOTOGRAFIA yep
R.I.P to the greatest Kentaro Miura - your work will forever be a legacy of greatness in the whole world
Rip legend
@Shin Shaman meanwhile Manga is outselling Western comics in their hometurf 😂😂😂
@Shin Shaman whoa dude your kind of a piece of shit
@Shin Shaman man wtf you have problems, you are discussing in this comment thread for 3 months and now you are disrespecting one of the precursors of dark fantasy genre, if you dont like berserk then fine but you dont need to be an idiot, you fkin manchild.
@@introspectivesense6485 that's probably just an inmature kid without friends, don't pay atention to him
The choice of examples for Takehiko Inoue, Kentaro Miura, and Yusuke Murata nowhere near does their work justice.
Same with Kohei Horikoshi, not even a single panel showing his backgrounds.
That's what I think when I see Murata, not even the spaceship of Boros.
Same with togashi, there are shots in the yu yu hakusho manga that’s just breathtaking and it felt so disrespectful to show so little of his work
@Carlos Gabriel Amparo the best art of hirohiko araki is volumen covers jojolion
@Shaman X troll
I'm Japanese. I think manga considers movements to be most important, and comic considers paintings to be.
So average comic picture looks less lively but more sophisticated as one artwork. Ofcourse there are many exceptions, but there's a certain tendency.
I like both.
you pretty much nailed.
Superheroes do not particularly have some array of named attacks , repeated over and over , showcasing every motion of it.
Let's put "My Hero Academia" as an example , with Endervoir vs Human Torch: Endervoir have "Jetburn" , "Proeminence Burn" and that Fire Web attack and Fire Javelin...all of those are clear-cut attacks that you know what they do and their motion.
Meanwhile , Human Torch just flies and makes fire blast , improvising on the spot , his only realy signature move is "Supernova" which is an AoE Explosion , which the closest motion to it would be "Proeminence Burn".
But like you said , there are exceptions , there is not much naming and a lot of improvisation on the characters in how they fight , but Batman and Spider-Man puts movements in a more front seat , specially Spider-Man.
It's preatty visible on "Spider-Man by Bagley" vs "Spider-Man by Murata". Murata's Spider-Man looks like he could start moving at any second and his webs look like they are still mid-extending outside the screen, while Bagley's looks like a photo with perfect lightning and composition, Like Spider-Man posed mid action for the selfie.
There are exceptions, of course, but in general comics and manga look like that.
Well, in a comic three people can work as a basimo inker and colorist in a manga they can work up to an entire studio in fact a manga by Kentaro Miura (Duranki) had help from a studio
@Shin Shaman whut? One page from Vagabond (you can pick any page) looks better than any American comic
@@liyuu7033 Just look at his channel he is completely troll
The thing i like manga is that the characters are owned by their creators, all the mangakas presented here own and created their respective characters and their universes, meanwhile the american ones, they indeed draw well, but they didn't create the characters( in the majority of drawings i see) and these are owned by corporations, the only real creator was stan lee, who is resting in heaven.
Very true
Stan Lee is a irreplaceable legend
Thats not fair to say at all and that's rude to comic creator there many western comics where they create there own universe and characters your just talking about marvel and DC which is rude to western comic creators.
@@memecream752 sad to say stan lee was very original but also took alot of work from DC because he worked for dc
@@upon1326 but marvel and DC are the heart of Comics, they are the ones that sell the most, but I feel you, there are some good independent creators, and none of those are presented in this video.
I'm not gonna lie, the matchups were crazy well chosen. Props for putting in extra effort to compare the artists as fairly as possible by choosing really fitting matchups.
Yes and Also props for not showing any of good panels from berserk at all
@@bait5257 Haha, I noticed that as well. Miura's early work was... rough (both in writing and art), but the later Berserk mangas are otherworldly (sometimes literally).
@@Vasharan Some of the best art I've seen
@@bait5257 they probably Show them at the most similar and not at their best for example closeups of part 7 and 8 would have painted Araki in an entirely different light.
@@lorddio2737 still that's not fair.
Why don't compare a manga artist with same art rather then showing miura's early work
This feels less like a versus and more like a “if you like this artist then check out this artist”
Same
Yes the way he showed similar artstyles
@Shin Shaman L
@Shin Shaman na
It’s stupid because the mangakas are all doing thousands of pages while the comic artists make about 200 and call it a career.
The winners are us, the fans for enjoying the best of this artist.
best answer
Manga better than marvel DC shit
@@bigdaddyb1837 Don't come with that BS of tjis is better than this.
Slrry for you if you don't enjoy both of them. But don't say manga is better than comic or comics are betrer than manga.
Both of then are amazing, with amazing art and storyline.
@tom gu that could be true, but that doesn't make comics worst than manga o better.
As i see, with all this Disney taking Marvel, comics has rebirth in all the world. And there's a lot of real good comics from another editorial.
@tom gu you clearly have never read any comic books if you think they died out in the 90s.
90s comic and manga artist are just insane
Yeah better than the typical anime art style that people in manga keep using.
@@y0n_8 you only saw the popular shonen mangas?
@@y0n_8 most romcom and isekai manga
90s is when creativity truly flourished after that it was all down hill
@@kaisarr7632 I beg to differ
R.I.P to the GOAT KENTARO MIURA
F.
*I gave Guts and Casca my salute.*
@Shin Shaman your whole channel is just tragic. Every video is a miss 😪
rip 😓
@Shin Shaman why did they take Kentaro and not you ? Such a cruel world smh.
@Shin Shaman another troll channel, how original! Talking trash about popular games? Daring today, aren't we?
❌VS❌
COMPARISON✅
??? i dont understand
@@NUEBOHEMIO basically what they're saying is that, it's better if you put in your wording as in Comparison and not vs
@@alesandranasywanawfa6388 fun vs are fun
@@NUEBOHEMIO were in this trophy for participation era so everyone is so adverse to competition it’s sad
@@theanimelibarian7881 The video would be two hours long if he were to compare each artist in detail and give his reasoning for each choice. The video was simply intended to be an interesting face-off of artists for us to think about. So I don't know why you assume this guy is a softy who's "averse to comparison" or hurting anyone's feelings with his opinions.
I like that the video shows the art that looks similar in style instead of some others where it'd be like cartoonish style vs realistic style.
Agreed
@Shin Shaman troll
@Shin Shaman bait
this video is proof that there is no shortage of drawing talent in america for comics, the thing that went wrong are the stories, while in Japan the creator have their own story the present it the publishers give it a chance and things go from there, in America there is a narative to push certain stories and agendas and ignore the ones that dont follow it. such a shame.
@@MrGalRoz the whole idea of certain publishers having their own universe is what kills the comic industry in the us, and that's why invincible is so highly appraised because it's its own thing
DC and Marvel should start encourage Comic artist to create their own stories. with their original characters. Just like japan
Vertigo and wherever saga is published are creator owned
@@super88cloud And Saga, Scott Pilgrim, and The Walking Dead are the only western comics I've bothered reading in a decade.
They already do that alot do it's just doesn't get out there much plus everyone has there own storylines with the characters they use its still great
They do not sell and ended up wasted, Yes Vertigo, Image Etc broke this mold, but ironically they ended up being just like Marvel & DC with new created characters being sucked in to the Universe of each company.
What the West needs is its own Shonen Jump as a way for aspiring artist to get recognition that way the mold of "insert comic house here" would be broken.
@@samueljones3668 Vertigo is DC tho. Some of their works are creator owned.
I think, Hirohiko Araki style is epic
My only problem with his work is that some scenes are so confusing at times
They didnt even show his best work, part 7 and 8, here
@@stay4rosty382 part 7 and 8 are the best
Yare Yare Daze
Yes but i think inoue is the best
I'd be interesting for mangakas to draw comic characters and comic artist draw anime characters
I would love to see that!!!
Horikoshi and Isayama have done so. Hajime Isayama I know specifically had a crossover with Marvel I believe
@@fluiddityy7398 Yes there's that Avenfers vs Titans crossover, I had a copy of it hehe
I think Yusuke Murata have drawn spiderman. I'm not so sure.
@@fluiddityy7398 wait what where can i see it??
i like when people appreciate both for being what they are instead of directly comparing them, it's a nice breath of fresh air
At this point im just walking around in a art museum.
Especially true the moment you realize that Hirohiko Araki's artwork was displayed in the Louvre Museum.
@Shin Shaman Cope lol
@Dan Hernández he is kiddo.Ignore him no wonder currenct American comic fall down Like shit even trash generic isekai superior than this woke currenct American comic
@Shin Shaman if you don’t like it, then just respect it.
Definitely Alex Ross alone should be in the Smithsonian I wish they did have like a comic book / manga museum somewhere
something about Americana comics that doesn't look as expressive as manga. May be it looks too realistic and not and exaggerated in facials.
Maybe you haven't read enough American comics or maybe you've read the wrong ones
Both style are amazing, but still preferred manga expressions.
That could also be a plus, no?
They overly use square-shaped, cross-hatching as being using a rule as well. The smoth transition drawn in manga by a loose cross-hatching outlining sphere shapes makes it look more "alive", the gesture and action is pushed-up.
Also dirtiness spots aren't drawn in comic, making a illustration as clean as they can. There's no uneveness as in manga- even smoke is clean making motioned action scenes feel a bit dimmed compared with manga.
Ah, also the diference between black and white zones are sharply distincted, there's vaguely a intermediate zone between them. That narrows a little the expresiveness of some escenes.
@@Shyntie Great comparison
It almost feels like taboo if a comic artist doesn’t draw Batman or Superman. I always thought I was weird how DC and Marvel monopolize the comic industry in the west. And we have these new upcoming comic artist with unique styles that are kind of wasted on marvel and dc. And the concept of heroes and villains is too cut and dry to be relatable and kind of boring.
I mean... You are not wrong
It isn't just hero and villain, some comics are, but not all of them, is more complex than that, of course those conceps are there, but in what story arent? Almost every story has those conceps, and its fine, what matters is what the writter does with them
Spiderman and Daredevil are the only ones I could see people relate too.
But unfortunately neither has gotten a really faithful movie adaptation.
@@cradodragmire1563 tbh i might have a unpopular opinion but i like superman the most because he is the OG he paved the way for most super heros in comics. But the reason i find him interesting is not because i could relate to him. But because he is inspiring. Everytime they make superman relatable he becomes more uninteresting example n52 they made his powers weaker and became more cool and it absolutely bombed...... the way to make superman is he has to be noble, a boy scout and inspire. Although i do want to see a Non american take on Marvel and DC. And im not talking about in terms of animation and drawings. Like litteral own take of it. Hopefully we do get an japanese take on DC and marvel or any other european take.
Why does everything have to be relatable?
Honestly, there is no better or worse here, just different styles and preferences
Totally 100%
@Shin Shaman Nice bait
yes there is,manga is way better
Comics are stuck on superheroes and the joker too much.
@@krunkle5136 no it's not go look into the indies comics that's like saying video games are stuck on call of duty
C'mon can we just agree that both are great?
Agree uwu.
Yes and some kiddos or ( some of the fans ) just being cringe and kiddos to say comic this manga this lol . They didn't know some mangaka and comic artist loved each other art
@Shaman X being toxic online sure is veeerrryy cool right mate?
@Shaman X why?? Both have beautiful arts
Edit: i am a brazilliam Sorry for my poor english
@Shaman X oh, self awareness!
RIP Kentarō, you may live forever in our Hearts
@Shin Shaman please have respect for the dead you may have not liked his work but respect him as a human being atleast okay
6:14 god tier both guys.
Add alex ross to that
Jim Lee has a lot of respect for manga artist. He talked about it during a panel at fan expo.
which manga
god yes
Jim Lee was better in the 90s. His anatomy nowadays is somewhat weird. And manga was important for him.
Rest in peace Miura sensei.
@Shin Shaman Actually disgusting, I feel ashamed for living in the same planet as you
Togashi doesnt have bad art, he just has bad schedules plus a lot of the art he redrew looked better than their original
Nah it's mostly heath problems that affect his art. When he's feeling better his art is amazing.
Damn he needs to retire then
@trihard ok?
@trihard what the fuck was the point of your comment?
@@memecream752 Apparently hes too prideful to hire someone to draw for him. People are saying that he should just let his wife do it (Sailor moon Author).
Togashi Sensei stated that either his manga’s story will end first ir his life’s story will end first, Hunter x Hunter was one of the most notable mangas that Togashi had written. The story is long but not boring. He wanted Hunter x Hunter to have a satisfying ending but due to his current health state, he cannot continue the manga for awhile.
He should end it fast. The fans are assholes
The problem is he cant his back is killing him
@Shaman X sounds like bullshit for me
@Shin Shaman bro chill
@Shin Shaman Daddy chill 🙄👋
19:08 That's not Eiichiro Oda. Thats Eiji Aonuma
. A video game designer from Nintendo
Thanks for say it.
Thank you so much for playing my game! 😜
18:34***
@Madu Abeykoon ??
@@luissantiagomijareso.2450 Cómo que tu juego bro?
Respect for Stan Lee and Kentaro Miura, they are probably watching us and waiting us to become the greatest comic/manga artists of all time.
Stan Lee wasn't an artist
@@ErenYeager-yc2do filthy weeb without respect
Mangakas can shine better as the industry is not saturated with just a few characters.the problem with American comics is that it's soo convoluted,most of the characters have a shit ton of comics and it makes it hard to follow
Comics aren't really saturated with few characters there is millions of characters and stories and even comics aren't just Marvel/dc theres multiple different stuff
So true, just discovered Invisible. It's way better than another rehashed known hero marvel/DC they keep writing.
It gets tiresome.
@@Elricsedric by comic people mostly mean dc and marvel which are and that being one of the big reasons mangas are outselling comics
Yeah. I tried reading MARVEL/DC but I don't really know where to start. I read guides. But for some reason the start doesn't feel like a start. So yeah, i just gave it up LOL.
And there's too many things going on anyway. Too messy.
Searching standalone comics now though.
I've watched Invincible S1 and now reading the comics. And it's good.
@@kominatoriku5483 even then i still disagree with that assumption
Conclusion: if given enough time the most talented artists will have godly work no matter what they draw
Refined conclusion: time exist so does practice.
yeah just use Made in Heaven and your draftsmanship skills will rise from 20 to 150 in one day.
@@handmethatpochitussy Unless you Rohan Kishibe then you will just be the only one to keep up with the pace for a long time.
@@lorddio2737 true😭😭😭😭
doubt
The examples for Miura and Inoue don't do their work justice at all.
Yup
And araki, Part 7 is gorgeous but isnt showed here
@@justarandomgundhamtanakaen3344 ho Enrico!
What a nice gravity this place has collected.
And Murata
And murata
I love how back then comics were so menacing and cool, and we now fucking get “I’m not starfire” lmaooo
One thing I miss especially is the art style. Man wtf happened
Read some alien comics ;)
This is completely downplaying so many other comicbooks that are not for a certain demographic. This anti-sjw babble is useless.
@@всемпривет-и1щ Nothing happend, they chose that artstyle for a Oneshot comic targeted to teenagers that is not canon.
Normal comics still have amazing artwork.
@Dr.Sir Bruce Armstrong Mother Fucker The Third I'd say the recent death metal comics from DC was pretty good for modern day comics
As a... uhm, WEEB, i can truly say that after this video, i have a lot more respect to comic artists and illustrators, i'd even put my baises aside and say that this illustrator, Alex Ross, does art better and more realistically than any artist i've ever had the pleasure of witnessing, and this is including the manga illustrators that i hold so much biased towards, like Kentarou Miura, Takehiko Inoue, and even Junji Ito. Great vid man! 👍
Ya Alex Ross is possibly the GOAT when it comes to comic art imo
@@joeclarke7982 his art is absolutely insane
@Shaman X damn bro that's gonna change somebody's mind if not for the broken English you wrote.
@Shin Shaman congratulations
@@joeclarke7982 it’s too realistic for me xD but he is great!
There’s shitty comics and trashy mangas but there’re also a lot of great comics and mangas. Don’t judge things by it lowest point, be fair. If manga fans want to bring out Vagabond and Berserk then Comic fans can bring out masterpieces like Sandman, the Dark Knight or The Killing Joke,... Overall this video is only based around art so I think we should talk about art style more. Personally I prefer comic art style for its epic coloring and amazing anatomy, poses! Nonetheless, some mangas really exceeded those criteria too, it’s amazing to see how different culture adapt the same kind of visual storytelling
This
Preach
Killing Joke is overrated and rushed, not a masterpiece.
@@giornogiostar3214 cap
@@thelastgigachad7994
No cap, even Moore said it.
The different is only one thing. Creativity and freedom.
Tell me, when is the last time you see an original comic from western reach the same height with batman/superman?
Close to none. Western talent are wasted imo. They have amazing talent but never utilize it. No original character and original story. All refresh same story but with a twist here and there and spin off.
Because they only care about what is popular and what will make their comic sell.
This is what I wish changed about the western comic industry
The only comics are old ones, when the industry was just born. There are barely any new western comics that apply to what you speak off sadly
Exactly....
@@post-humangod2575 the irony is that the top selling comics in the world are not western comics but mangas and it isn't even close
While you can't deny Kirby's influence and talent. I'm pretty sure the Father of Comics is Will Eisner. He had an amazing output of comics after serving in WWII. He even invented the term "Graphic Novel" when trying to pitch some comics.
You can't say yoshihiro togashi like the "worst" mangaka.
The man is a genius . His physical condition rendered him unable to draw
Nah he just lazy
@@kekbin1697 would you mind shutting up
@@hardikrai2836 just like miura, togashi become lazy shit that rather play dragon quest than drawing manga. Also, he is rich as fuck now, why bother drawing manga again?
@@kekbin1697 sorry I don't speak wrong
@@hardikrai2836 bruh why are you so childish
I like the fact that all the comic artists and manga artists are line up is base on how each of their work mirrors each other.
The video was overall good. But that shade you threw at togashi was unfair. Dude has chronic back pain which is why his art is not always consistent. When he is feeling well his art is God tier. Versus lifield who has bad anatomy.
I feel it is unfair as well, looking at the amount of beautiful artwork he’s committed in YYH and HxH before his hiatus went far off shouldn’t make him even close to being one of “the worst”, he even reworked on panels in HxH which he himself knew was inexcusable.
Sure I agree he is literally shitting out dialogue in the latest HxH chapters but come on, the dude himself has drawn so much beautiful artwork in the panels of his manga. Which the majority of them have been great to look at, especially for a Weekly Shonen Jump magazine.
Shin Shamen was making fun of Muira's passing in another video; saying he was glad that he died.
@Punch Line It doesn't surprize me though from other comments
Bad anatomy of liflied is just his artstyle like Eichiro oda's artstyle of one piece.
@@HerMi.T no it’s not. It’s different in a fantasy world like one piece where the anatomy of that kind is part of the world. In the comics liefeld was making it doesn’t make sense. Like arms don’t bend that way, that extra muscle doesn’t exist. He literally hates drawing feat so hurts the story and arch for images to not fit that
Winner: Jim Davis for Garfield 🏆
Bringing imagination to life with a pencil is a very amazing thing, I don't think we should compare them, they're different styles
I never liked this stance in these kind of discussions... cause deep down you have a preference if you're honest with yourself. Ferrari vs Lamborghini, Red or Blue, Madrid vs Barcelona, Prince or Michael Jackson... deep down you have a choice for all those, and that's ok.
@@cyspiegel8603 yeah you have no control over your preferences so why hide them. At the end it's just an opinion
@@damianogiolitti3416 yeahh but many people become toxic and hate each other
There are some toxic comic and manga reader
@@cyspiegel8603 it’s common sense really. What you prefer is not the same as what is objectively “better". I may like metal more than rock but that doesn’t make rock worse, it’s just different, which is why art is mostly subjective rather than factual
@@cyspiegel8603 Preference is different though. What the OP is saying is that one is not objectively better than the other since they are both different styles.
I think my favorite thing from this video was seeing the similarities between these artists.
In regards to Mignola vs. Atsushi, you can see how they use depth and shadow in their work. Its semi simplified but it never loses its emotion.
I feel this was less like a "who did it better" and more of a "hey look, these are two different genres of art, but look at how alike they can be!" and for that, i appreciate this video, it was nice to see this.
They aren't different genre's more different adaptations of one Medium
The difference is literally only the place of origin and the cultural influence in that.
Same, I never realized how close some of these artists are, it's very interesting.
Both are amazing, but there is something 'alive and breathing ' inside manga drawings. I dont know how to describe it
Probably because the face are too perfect. I duuno don't flame me
Its just the style of comics, but you get used to it in my opinion. Coming from manga to comics I thought was weird too, but I learned to enjoy it and get a feel for it. I feel like some in this comment section came from a more manga background and find comics strange or even inferior when they're just different.
@@Ouchthathurt843 do you have any recommendations?
@@mohammadshabih5293 What are you looking for?
@@Ouchthathurt843 artistically they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Story wise and even emotionally i would pick manga. Not to mention they also have so much more variety. They can literally make a story about farming, cooking, and sleeping have a nice spin to it.
Alex Ross's art has more realism into his tone of skills but Kentaro Miura had more detail to the characteristics involving its grittiness of his style. Both of them are legends
*R.I.P. Kentaro Miura*
I reaaly want to see Junji Ito in here...
Holy words
Berserk takes it away.
He just didn't show any good panels at all
@@bait5257 tastes are indusputable :/
you mean the TREVOR HENDERSON of Japan?
take a shot when you see another batman.
I'm so fucking wasted rn
You’re gonna kill somebody.
So you've chosen death
Stop! Im ded already!
Manga better than marvel DC shit
If the comparison was done current year, witch comics like "Im Not Starfire" and "New Warriors", manga will mop the floor with comics. ._.
True it's kinda sad because I use to love how western comics were colored and drawn but now everything just looks so bland while Manga is almost more artistic and expressive
I agree. But at the same time there’s stuff like dark knights death metal, king in black, x of swords, etc. which are all super recent and they have phenomenal art.
@@zombiecandy570 can't say that's enough. Specialy since for every one good comic out there, there's 20 good manga to challenge it.
@@bryanmerel I’m not saying one is better than the other. I highly respect both. I just wanted to make it clear that there are still passionate and skilled western comic artists in the industry. And that isn’t to say that there aren’t equally as passionate and skilled manga artists.
@@zombiecandy570 True there are definitely still a number of amazing western comic artists
Rest in peace miura kentaro, I huge respect for you
With Comic book artists, they put a lot of shadow and detail, which I love and is really difficult to imitate
With Mangakas they simplify a few things while managing to make it look cool, they create new cool characters which I like
Conclusion: Comic book artists are amazing at shadow and detail
Mangakas are better at fashion and characters
But both are good at making characters seem 3D and realistic
What the title should be: Legendary western artists vs. Legendary eastern artist.
I'll be honest man, the west _had_ amazing artists as household names in the comic industry at one point. But nowadays unfortunately not so much, at least the great ones aren't well known. The only ones getting any form of recognition are the ones drawing sub-par "politically correct" comics.
@@P5Joker now we have " I'm not Starfire"
@@user-ow1qs7jo7f 🤮🤮🤮
@@P5Joker agree, and sadly many of them only famous for superhero theme while eastern manga had more varied theme to use, even in my country manga is more popular than american comics and manga also easier to find in our bookstore, while western comic that sell in our country usually had relation to DC and marvel which didn had many variation than manga, u can correct me if im wrong im not really familiar with western comic but i many western author drawing are really good and it's such a shame to see good artist talent to be wasted and didnt being recognize by many people
Despite how different the artstyle is from comic vs manga, you can tell they are very similar. Whether it’s detailed, perspective or inking, they’re all equally amazing. They’re all amazing artists and there’s no need to say which is better. :)
I'm Japanese myself and prefer mangas over comics overall, but The Adventures of Tintin has special place in my heart. It's my childhood.
Its great.
I'm surprised no one has done a video about European comics vs. Manga yet.
Exactly my words
@@doclouis4236 European comics is an absolute goldmine, and it deserves more attention in North America.
For me, Asterix is absolutely magical. I could pick an old book every couple of years and have a completely different experience.
Reading Asterix as kid: Laugh at all the funny jokes and slapstick.
Reading Asterix as an adult: Suddenly notice all the historical jokes and references that completely flew over my head!
When people say this same thing but with comics all the anime fans start assuming they've never read any manga's.
I don't know why everyone pushes down comics so much, they are good a lot of the time, and as well as this people complain about how op the characters are and complain about scaling (and having looked at how some anime characters are scaled, making fun of comics scaling is amusingly ironic)
Wow. I honestly thought this would be just an average video of a fanboy, instead, I found an unbiased comparison of powerhouse artists and their counterpart of the other side. Well done, NUEBOHEMIO. You're obviously knowledgeable on the stuff, and you clearly did your research.
My favorites: Hirohiko Araki, Kentaro Miura (Rest in Peace), Yusuke Murata and Takehito Inoue
Bonus: Akira Toriyama his style it's simple but one of the most recognizable and unique
I think both comic artists and magakas are amazing at their art.
I don't see any differences, just looking at the fact that all of this, whether comic or manga, requires great skill and great effort to become what it is today.
I think that people need to understand the vast difference between the Manga industry, the traditional comics industry in the US, and the European comics industry. In Japan, manga books are so mainstream that people left them on the subway's seats!
Also, the characters are totally not owned by their creators, legally talking, the creators are bound to the magazines and publication houses they signed with. Example : when Shaman King was cancelled from Jump because the ratings got too low according to Jump magazine, which is a huge corporation in Japan, Hiroyuki Taikei could NOT self-publish or even seek another publisher...! He lost the possibility of ending is epic 32 books series, up until another publication house decided to buy the rights from Jump.
The Manga industry is a lot more like the Pop music or Hollywood industry in the West. It's hugely mainstream, competitive, the creators are rock stars, but there a whole team behind the most popular series, much more than for comics. The size and nature of the industry is entirely different. Mangas are consumed like fast-food. In the West the comics is now mostly a collectors' market; and in Europe, it turned into a collectors' market a long time ago with the large-format hardcover books.
I'm not sure people get the scope of work needed to be a successful published mangaka in Japan. 60-80 hours weeks non-stop and your entire life's work, even if it's cult, can get cancelled over some rating. Think 3x the amount of work needed for a successful webcomic. It simply is not the comic paradise we want to believe it is here in the West. There is a cost to selling so many copies of anything.
European comics industry are dead!!!!!!!!!!
@@cyberman1305 Yes
It's obvious, isn't it, that other companies can't sell Spiderman exclusively on their own, even in west? The main issue is the payment of royalties to the author. manag gets royalties to the author. The comic system, where the author does not receive royalties, should be seriously considered.
The worst thing is they take like hours or days to paint them and some people only watch it for like 10 seconds T-T
I take my time to know and analyze how they did such amazing work
The Berserk manga takes months for each chapter to release because Kentarou needs time to do his "Magic" on the manga.
I just love seeing Guts and Wolverine side by side
Those two gritty would secretly like each other
@@Wellshem
And both of their lives have been filled with nothing but pain and suffering.
Gambino and Thomas Logan are pieces of SHIT MAN.
John Howlett Sr is the Dad that we need.
I would never compare beautiful art to each other they're both honestly talented without manga and comic book artists our favorite characters would be nothing they're just important as their stories
You did a great job at finding comparable styles between comic book and manga artists. Great video, I knew a lot of these amazing artists already but not all of them, I'll take this as an opportunity to learn more , thank you very much
You never knew how similar yet different comics and manga art is until you see them side to side
They’re both so amazing, I really like comics because of how usually realistic and detailed they’re drawn but I also like manga because of how expressive and fun it is. There’s no way I could ever pick one.
Notice how a lot of the comic artists' works shown here are superheroes/supervillains but mangakas have a wider array of character types.
Notice how most of the Manga look the same while the comics have very different art styles and character designs
@@deavinwarren1412 I think that applies more to mainstream anime, would you happen to be talking of big eyes, small nose, small mouth, big head attributes?
@@deavinwarren1412 Notice how comics are for identity politics while manga is about conceptual art?
@@prajawalgurung6121 Yes because he doesn't read manga. Don't let the wannabe anime in his profile picture fool you. Japan doesn't draw that.
@@DrWiki-po1hk manga also has Politics as well and notice how you don't actually know s*** about comics because they're still making incredible art dumbass look I know you're just a biased anime weep that has no real arguments and hasn't picked up already comic only watch those why manga is out selling comic videos how about actually reading comics before you try to talk about them
Hard to say, there are a-lot of great works from these artist. The only thing I can says is; in manga the artist puts in a-lot more emotion in there works.
Plus alot of screen tone hehe
That's why it's their own characters that they put a little bit of their persona in them
I wouldn't say that. They have to follow a certain style to be considered manga. Comic don't have boundaries, they could even do manga looking art style. But yes I do agree they put more emotion into the faces, kind like whay Todd mcfarlane does, he breaks the anatomy.
The selling rate of manga us much higher
@@dc3540 That's because stupid kids like boys that look like girls. Weirdest generation ever...
Okay, seeing Darwyn Cooke paired with Akira Toriyama was just one of the godliest things I've ever seen.
Rip to Kentaro Miura who’s name will be known for creating a master piece and will always live on in his work. Guts- “He died doing what he wanted, no matter what right? I bet he was happy”
I love how you found on both sides artist with similar styles/techniques to judge them fairly, which just shows that at the end of the day beautuful art is beautiful art
I love both comics and Manga art. ❤️❤️
Tanto los creadores de cómics como mangakas tienen una pasión increíble por dibujar y crear historias.
hmmm, i personally wouldnt say Togashi was bad, the character was supposed to look grotesque, it wasnt supposed to be human. It was literally written as a monster, so it should look like one.
We have the same 💭thoughts
Indeed
I just want to present some respect to Kentaro Miura, who can only be described as a genius. He gave us an excellent story, an excellent narrative, excellent character and his amazing and precious drawing in Berserk.
Broke: Comics vs Manga
Woke: Comic Artists vs Mangakas
Broke and woke are one in the same.
I really like the artists you chose to compare with each other, they seem to have the same art direction but off course using different skills
Actually funny how people get so defensive. Is just a video HxH is good, stop whining
Want to use killer queen on them?
I agree, I also love yu yu hakusho but it's undeniable what is stated about the author
@Shaman X you are garbage
@Shin Shaman Okay cool
@@TheUltimaBoxer You are all garbage!
(Keanu Reeves reference)
I can't let you get away with that togashi shit man, he's one of the best mangaka ever. His art is only really bad pretty rarely, and it has more to do with his mental health than his artistic skill. But when he's good, he's fucking good. Some of the best design sense, paneling and just visual storytelling in either comics or manga
Yeah I thought that was pretty disrespectful to Togashi. Considering the health issues he's had to deal with, while penning some of the greatest Action/Shounen of all time.
@hobo I mean yea lol, there's a point where that shit is just unreadable. But when hunter hunter is good, it's really fucking good
Yes, but Rob Liefeld is, actually, a better comic artist them him. or you're trying to imply that the creator is trying to say that both as trash, except that only Togashi isn't as bad as people claim? If that's the point you're trying to make, them you're being unfair.
Why dont use part jojo 8 and 7 pannels.they have best art .
Part 7 is the best part
It's because this is supposed to be a comparison between two fairly similar work, not nessesarly the best
true, Araki shines
also i didnt see D Gray mans mangaka Katsura Hoshino here yet despite of her ETHERAL art
Ehh I liked part 3-6 more since the characters rn feel like they have same face syndrome
True?
My three favorites are Moebius, Yoshitaka Amano, and Kentaro Miura. Their art has a special magic quality to them that you can’t find anywhere else.
Don’t forget Takehiko Inoue’s art
Dont forget Hirohiko Araki's artwork too. Yes It may not be as detailed as Kentarou's or Yusuke's but It has the most unique art style I've ever seen. Different from the rest. Which made it the black sheep of the ten oldest shounen manga ever made.
Moebius = magic, mood, vibe ....
He epitomises the atmospheric magical vibe which is why his artworks are rarely ever on the loud, bombastic side ... among the most sensual artist ever .. so many artists are big fans of his, even including Hayao Miyazaki ...
I lol'd at the "worst" comic artist and "worst" manga artist.
Whoever does Mob Psycho 100 should've gotten an honorable mention in that category 😂😂
Thats the same dude that did one punch man lol. He wasnt an artist to begin with but he is a pretty damn good storyteller
@@cyspiegel8603 "One" the same guy behind OPM
i love how you pair the different artist with almost the same art style so that no more argument between which is better
Honestly, that was harder than I thought it would be. Every one of these artists is amazing!
Same profession.different countries. All equally good.
Anyway you can clearly see they all took inspiration from each other and the old masters so..
I honestly prefer manga to comics but comics still look amazing
The art is more refined in realismwhile manga tend to stylise.
Yeah but comic don't have many charater then manga
@@jsonboy2365 they will counter that with crossovers.
I don't really care about comparing them, but i think it's cool that you found similar art styles, also a great vid for manga recommendations (or for comics)
Agreed
He forgot two greatest authors, Alan Moore and Kazuko Koike, Alan Moore is regarded as one of the best comics book writers, his Watchmen is regarded as one of the greatest comic books ever and his another masterpieces are V for Vendetta, From hell, Batman: the killing joke all of them are 10/10 and Kazuko Koike is one of the best mangakas, his notable manga is "Lone wolf and cub" is regarded as one of the best and influential manga his other masterpieces are Wounded Man, Lady snowblood, Crying Freeman, Oscar, all of them are 10/10
Frank Miller’s work is personally my favourite, I also like Kentaro Miura’s art (Rest in peace)
You cannot judge them by their differences, they are all very impressive, they all practiced doing what they love (drawing) to become their best.
What is important in manga is not only good drawing and story, but also skillful spatial awareness, pauses, realism and movement. Akira Toriyama of Dragon Ball fame has completely mastered all of these things. Well, he grew tired of his weekly serialization and began to dislike drawing. His early drawings revolutionized manga, as did those of Osamu Tezuka and Katsuhiro Otomo.
I honestly have mass amounts of respect for both parties for their craft and and just... amazing art. They’re both completely different styles with their own charm I LOVE BOTH
This guy is being disrespectful to Togashi. I can see which this guy favors to
How?
Shut up
💀what?
@@zeflox_ who me?
Relax jeagerist. Continue following eren to destroy marley rather than being picky
Comic book artists take it for me. Very close but the fact that they have a more realistic art style in the comics is what I like more personally
Go look at vagabond art, it's incredibly realistic
@@guts1859 one artist doesn’t make up for a collective of artist. Sorry just not how it works
@Hamza Akram it should be evident comics go for a more realistic art style. If any “anime weebs” won’t admit it I seriously doubt they are above the age of 13. Manga IMO still have much better storylines and characters.
@Hamza Akram I was agreeing with you idiot
I have read both comics and manga so
Manga:artistic
Comics:realistics
In the end both are equally good cause both have there pros and cons
As someone already mentioned I also think that comic artists should start to develop their own stories and characters instead of rehashing the same 10 heroes over and over again. Manga still stays fresh all the time because so many new stories and characters are constantly coming out which boosts its variety a lot over comics.
Alot of them did that and most of them are published by image comics like James Harren he was doing thor now he went on to do rumble and ultramega now
I'm late, but this comment sounds like it comes from someone who doesn't read much American comics.
@@dushaunlewis7574 usually people that say this don't, I've met people that didn't know TWD and Riverdale were based on comics.
De ce que je sais y'a des comics independant et puis moi ça me dérange pas
I jusr hate how much of comics have this exaggerated looks on them
I expected manga to blow it out of the water (even though I've read more comics) but was surprised to find out I liked them almost exactly 50/50
The most common thing in the most of the mangaka and comic Book artist is that they have a really amazing experience in drawing realism and that's a advantage that they can Easily stylize their Artstyle.
Honestly something interesting that this video unintentionally highlights is how the American comics industry evolved in such a way that it’s mainly ruled by the institutions set up from the original major IPs which are constantly reinterpreted and reiterated upon. So being a comic artist in America most likely means your best known work is for one of those well known and recognized IPs. Meanwhile in Japan each comic artists is usually a mangaka and is pretty much their own thing with their own series that have just as much, if not more, of a chance to make an impact as the oldest and most established IPs (which, if still around, are usually more so long running series divided into multiple sections rather than constantly reinventing/recycling themselves like in the USA). This is pretty interesting to just see and kinda makes sense when you consider each country’s general economic and cultural tendencies
弐瓶勉さんが入ってんの嬉しいな
作風が似てるもの同士を比較してんのか
編集とチョイスがうまい
似た作風の作家同士で比べていてすごい。コミック・マンガ両方へのリスペクトを感じる
分かる。
よく調べであるし、愛感じる。
個人的にはあんまり比較が上手くできてないような…
yes
メビウスの一人勝ちでしょ
Dang, you could see the talent of the artists and the effort they out in to polish their art
Каждый из них может с лёгкостью повторить работы другого, это великолепно
All those comic artist they been drawing the same character whatever be a DC characters or marvel characters! So different when it come to Japanese mangaka that they created their OWN CHARACTER OWN STORY AND BE THE REAL LEGEND TO EVER EXIST
Most of the western artists in this video have worked on creator owned stuff as well. But video didn't incude them because everybody knows Batman and spider-man, not everybody knows The Maxx or Ninjak.