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when i stared many years ago ,i kept it simple with selling puts,vertical spreads and some iron condors..thats all i did and it was a no brainer,i kept winning trades non stop because of selling puts,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so when starting out keep it simple ..............sell puts,its a win,win situation
Jose Garcia I mean, but don't you have to sell puts of low priced stocks considering you have a small account?
You didn't sell any calls?
@@ramonmm5 that would be the only way one could be enabled the ability to sell naked options. When the stock price is >$5.00 there's a greater likelihood of selling options with tier 3 enablement. With an account below $500.00 that's what an account_holder has to work with.
selling naked options is NOT GOOD
Thanks for the down-to-earth information. I got out of trading due to a loss on a position I based on poor analysis of the underlying's technical and charting. I was sure QQQ would not exceed a previous high and lost $750 on a bearish call credit spread. I will look for trades that have less defined risk and start trading more often. I will use RSI and better charting to make sure I am not trading against a trend line.
to even be allowed to trade options with any US retail brokerage a margin is required so the account just became larger, only exception to margin is if one owns the underlying - then covered calls are allowed
I agree, it doesn't look as though a beginner would be able to trade simple vertical spreads or say, the iron condor; as they limit you to covered calls, and at best buying calls/puts, and straddles. I would think being allowed to sell a call and buy a call (as protection) to form a spread would be safer than just buying a bare put/call, at least over a good sample of trades.
Bubba,
With some brokerages you can get approval to trade spreads, even if you don't have a lot of capital. That means selling spreads, buying spreads, etc.
Yes that is definitely a defined risk example, and allowable by a lot of brokerage firms if you have the approval to do so.
Sure, with very little capital one can do it but ANY brokerage will force you to have a margin account; it doesn't mean you will tap into the margin if all goes well but if it doesn't the brokerage will automatically allocate margin purchasing power and then the clock starts (interest, exposure to margin call, etc). My point (a very disappointing truth if I might add) is that no brokerage will allow one to trade spreads without a margin account even though one may never need any margin funding.
I like the idea of selling premium on low priced underlying. It's almost guaranteed consistent income.
Very very small income. It’s like buying insurance on a 1990 Chevy Cavalier…sure, you could do it, but is it worth the time/effort? Fantastic for practice - much like a 1990 cavalier, crash 2 or 3 until you learn how to drive
Hi Mike - I'm getting my teeth into options after trading outright futures directionally. I'm looking to focus on a strategy that's delta neutral in low IV environments as when the Vixx is up, my attention really focuses on my futures strategies. I'd really like to hear your opinion on what strategies may suit low IV environments that are credit collecting. Thanks a lot! Oliver
It's really hard to say - I don't prefer to sell premium in low IV, even though low IV implies less stock movement. Our credit is lower, and we have to get much closer to the stock price generally, so I honestly keep a lot of cash on the sidelines and just wait for better opportunities. I prefer diagonal spreads and calendar spreads in low IV, as those take advantage of an increase in IV.
Thanks Mike, like the format
Great stuff thanks Mike
i understand cutting loses with penny stocks but with options if it isn't performing well wouldn't you just let the option expire?
Not if you're net selling options; you don't want your options to be excercised at expiration, especially naked puts. For debit spreads and other limited risk strategies, you can let it expire, and is probably the best thing you can do, because sometimes near the very end of expiration, the stock could move in your favour and you can still make a profit from rise in premium value.
No buy it back
Do You think the "wheel" strategy is good for small accounts?
Since it calls for undefined risk, a smaller account may need to choose smaller priced stocks that still have a liquid options market. This is more rare than higher priced, household name stocks.
Thanks for the video. On a Long Put, you said that if you get exercised and you don't own the shares, you will be "short 100 shares". What does this mean exactly?
A put gives the owner the right to sell 100 shares of stock at the strike price. If you don't already own 100 shares, the contract would still execute, so you'd go from 0 shares to -100 shares. If you owned 100 shares of stock and owned a put, the contract would execute and you would go from 100 shares to 0 shares.
I hope this helps!
U r an amazing person
Is a $3k starter account okay? That's all I have to start.
Yes you can certainly open a margin account with $3000 if that's the type of account you'd like to open. I would check out tastyworks.com - the minimum is $2000 there.
When will a phone app be available to trade at Tastyworks?
Kenny,
The android app is out right now!
iPhone will be coming in the next few weeks!
Look into Robinhood. They now have options trading. $0 trades and no minimum balance. Check it out.
I started with 1k im making about 200 everyday with single options just trading spy
Mike, you and your whiteboard rock! I just wished that there was not so much focus on selling but more a neutral explanation. Unless it benefits tastytrade when signing new clients.
Thanks! It does not benefit tastytrade, just our style of trading. Long options have a lot going against them, unless we are using them as part of a spread and we're using them intelligently (reducing extrinsic value as much as possible). Poor Man's Covered Calls are a good example of this.
@@tastyliveshow That makes sence :) Thanks for taking time to explain for newbies as me & looking forward to more whiteboard action:)
If u just have few hundred , $ge $snap or $bac have cheap options . Hope u have low trading fees
tastyworks.com has very competitive fees! Check them out here:
tastyworks.com/pricing.html
this is great advice honestly
Do you trade
I'm creating an options algorithm. What are some tips of things I should consider?
ZurkuGaming It would help if you knew about Options in the first place.😂
Zurku do you got it ?
can I start with a $500 account thats all I have for trading Options I also opened and account with Trade station
You can open a tastyworks account with less than $500 but it wouldn't be a margin account. There are regulations that require a minimum deposit of $2000 for margin, but cash and IRA accounts can be opened with any value.
Well I opened a RobinHood account with $500. It's great, they charge no commission fees and you can trade stocks and options. I couldn't deal with paper trading. It was too boring for me. So $500 is enough for me to get my feet wet and get comfortable trading real money.
@@tastyliveshow Can cash account with $1000 trade option???
A contributor to Reddit mentioned Optionistics as a platform to find low priced underlying stocks. Can you also recommend some?
I like to use the 52 week low watchlist on the tastyworks.com platform - it scans for stocks that are within a % of their 52 week low for the year.
@@tastyliveshow I understand that you folks have your brand to promote. But I do like the idea of bottom fishing with the 52-week lows.
So lets say a person has 100 to start with is there any way for that person to buy a premium option? @tastytrade
Sure - it would just have to be an option that's worth less than $100. The max loss when buying options is simply the debit paid.
Some brokers allow dummy accounts, so you can learn without losing any money.
True, but with play money you make different decisions compared to real money. At Least most people tend to do that :)
thats paper trading, he talks about that in the beginning.
PadMAD3k I use Thinkorswim. My demo trading win rate is around 80%. When I apply same strategy in live trading, my win rate is less than 20% all because of bad luck.
Getting out and managing has been the big challenge...
10 grand? I got $300 to start with.
That will be tough with options, but at least you're learning for the future!
It’s doable . Don’t get discouraged
I got $180 to start with lol.
Zarne soe Lets you get lucky and you manage to get 20% pa. You made 36$ in a year... that is not even worth your time..
I have a 1600$ account how do i grow it
Trading options can be a very lucrative buisness and it should be treated like a buisness ...they are not investments but vehicles to trade stocks...1 thing that should be mentioned is that all though selling puts is a great way to enter a trade it is basically a long position and if the underlying stock does not advance you will not have a winning trade.. also your account will be charged the total cost of the stock purchase at the time you sell that put option diminishing your buying power immediately...
This is a good viewpoint to have - it should be treated like a business, as we are taking undefined risk and need to take care with that.
A short put option does benefit most from a bullish movement in the stock, but it will be profitable at expiration as long as it is out of the money - that means the stock can stay the same, go down a little bit, whatever, as long as the option stays OTM. The strike chosen will change the range in which we can be successful.
In an IRA/cash account, you would have to put up the full value of the stock when selling a put. In these cases we typically go far OTM and purchase a put to create a wide spread and reduce our BPR dramatically - in a margin account, we get relief on this buying power, and typically put up around 20% of the strike price, unless the broker requires more to be taken. (volatility products for example)
i get a headache every time i try to learn options.
Do you have an IB agreement with tastyworks?
They do not - tastyworks does not connect to any other brokerage at this time.
someone just watched the Kreil video, lol
good stuff
Strategies ........
too much too early for me. glazed. where is your naked options 101. But I still appreciate the language lesson. Keep it up
neal mcconochie check out the beginner course
www.tastytrade.com/tt/shows/step-up-to-options
Or
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Or
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I really don't understand anything he just said. I guess small accounts sucks :(
the problem is he's talking about advance options is a lil bit confusing but if you study you can get it
Is there a specific book or video that I can learn what the hell he's talking about? Lol
You have to watch all the 100s of videos they have to be in a position to understand this conversation.
Akasha after a year how are you doing with your trading ?
Lots of info but it is possible to learn
How did you know it's Friday...
We get it. Larger accounts are better...
A resting order?
A resting order is just an order that is active for multiple days, like a GTC or good-til-cancelled order
Someone with a small trading account isn't allowed naked short options in the first place!
Sell puts and roll them out forever
None of this bullshit made sense smh
You brag about sending you questions you will answer, but you do not answer any questions
we answer all questions the same day that come through support@tastytrade.com - this channel may take a bit longer - I suggest shooting questions to support@tastytrade.com if you'd like a quick answer.
Sorry for the inconvenience!