They still might be...but let's not hold up reconstruction while waiting for the inevitable, years-long, legal process that's going to happen. Get'er done and sort out the money later. Will cost a lot less in the end.
Private citizens could save time and money as well if environmental concerns received the same diligence for their projects. Funny how exclusions can be easily applied at the governments whim when it benefits the outcome.
@@1972Ray The new bridge will have a higher road elevation so the approaches will be removed all the way back to a section that provides acceptable matching. Point is, if they were simply building a replacement for an old bridge they would build adjacent and tear down the old once the new was completed. Also, they wave EPA concerns whenever it fits their needs. The environment matters none.
I keep hearing "we're replacing two lanes in each direction..." I hope that includes inner and outer break down lanes. The SF Bay bridge opened in 2013, all the environmental work was done in the 90's and early 00's. Pile driving started in 2008.
The existing approach ramps can't still be used because building techniques have changed over the last 50 years and to tie in to the old stuff would not be safe. In addition to that you now have 50-year-old infrastructure that has been hit by a ship and although these piers weren't in the destruction area there would still have been seismic and other reverberatory activities which take effect on the Rebar reinforced concrete piers.
What is relevant is that a bridge be built that does not fall down. Limiting it to two lanes in each direction because of "environmental reviews" are too time consuming is a commentary on bureaucratic overreach and self-importance, and not about any meaningful threat to the environment. Given growth in the area since the 1970's, it is an insane waste of money to build a new bridge that does not add capacity just to satisfy political activists and agency apparatchiks.
@@1972RayThe only salvation for limited capacity may prove to be the decline of the city of Baltimore, and the broader decline in population statewide. These, alas, are likely the result of bad public policy, a sclerotic bureaucracy, and over taxation that make Maryland a difficult place to live for anyone not relying directly or indirectly on federal spending.
I went over it about a dozen times, maybe up to 20. Maybe I’m remembering wrong (unfortunately I don’t have any more pictures or videos of going over) anyways I remember it being 3 lanes each way or 2 and 3
2 lanes in each direction is fine for 30,000 cars a day. I drove that bridge every day for 28 years, and outside of rush hour, which isn't very busy, it's quiet.
The company who owned the Ship that took out the Bridge SHOULD PAY for the Bridge. WTF!!!!!!!!! The company that owns the ship should be on the hook for the FULL COST OF REPLACEMENT and revenue lost and any legal fees, fines and court costs. You don't let them get by with this. The Tax Payers ARE NOT TO BLAME and should NOT BE saddled with this cost in anyway!!!!!!!!!
When you accept an area of responsibility you do what's necessary to know what has problems. He got bridge assessment as late as last year because the whole country had to. He already was told of the dangers of this bridge. Lie for him if you want but the information was already put out.HE JUST DIDN'T CARE! Like Bowser and her 911 Call Center he doesn't take responsibility for his decisions. Bronze Star Recipient, that was against the law too!
An initial payment of 350 million was received. There will be more, and there are lawsuits flying. The port, the city, the state, companies affected and of course the families of the dead workers. People forget that using tax dollars to rebuild the bridge, is the Constitutionally correct use of tax dollars. US infrastructure used by US citizens. The cost will be an insignificant fraction of the money we send overseas every day. 8-10 billion is nothing relatively.
The bridge exists to carry hazardous materials, along with traffic. There are tow harbor tunnels already, and you can't even take propane thru them. Currently, a lot of truckers are breaking that rule, so lets hope there are no accidents.
one of the most disgusting issues is you have many government entities all sucking off the taxpayers working against each other greatly increasing the costs of projects like this even before any construction begins.
Yes and we should name the new bridge after a Bronze Star recipient like the guy that allowed it to get torn down in the first place Wes Moore? Let me recommend a real Bronze Star recipient and how about this a Silver Star recipient too, CHRIS KYLE???
@@1972Ray NO, he had to do with ignoring reports that said the bridge would collapse if hit and took absolutely no efforts to safeguard against the collapse. No tugs, no barriers, no upgrades. And he knew since 2006. That's called negligence.
How do you build on time and under budget. It is a replacement for one destroyed by freeloader. Goods being transported and vessel transporting them all have insurance. Bridge was just there doing what bridges are supposed to be doing. Somebody already paid for it.
Weak start is an understatement. Need a concrete batch plant and an American Flag are the first two steps and not some clown who has talking points that no one is interested in. Clearly need something spectacular here and massive as well to secure USA National Security interests for the Region not a bunch of cheap junk as a for profit enterprise which is how the previous bridge collapsed.
PISSES ME OFF with that phone receiving messages in the background.
Checked my phone twice now 😁
Glad someone is still following this catastrophe…keep us up-to-date. Thanks!
I still think the shipping company SHOULD BE LIABLE for the disaster that was clearly their fault
They still might be...but let's not hold up reconstruction while waiting for the inevitable, years-long, legal process that's going to happen. Get'er done and sort out the money later. Will cost a lot less in the end.
No it's not.
I think if you look it up, 'clearly' is likely the last thing this will be about whose at fault in a court.
Especially when that same vessel was involved in the Antwerp collision in 2016. It doesn’t matter though. But I’m sorry this just doesn’t happen
@annhenry793
Bridge needs to be rebuilt ASAP. It's a vital transportation Bridge.
All the correct pockets need to be filled
You'd be saying this no matter what.
Yea Wes Moore's!
Private citizens could save time and money as well if environmental concerns received the same diligence for their projects. Funny how exclusions can be easily applied at the governments whim when it benefits the outcome.
And, the approaches are already in place. And there is a real benefit to rushing the paperwork. That bridge carries 30,000 cars each day.
@@1972Ray The new bridge will have a higher road elevation so the approaches will be removed all the way back to a section that provides acceptable matching. Point is, if they were simply building a replacement for an old bridge they would build adjacent and tear down the old once the new was completed. Also, they wave EPA concerns whenever it fits their needs. The environment matters none.
I keep hearing "we're replacing two lanes in each direction..." I hope that includes inner and outer break down lanes. The SF Bay bridge opened in 2013, all the environmental work was done in the 90's and early 00's. Pile driving started in 2008.
They are talking about the replacement of that bridge, which they started the process in 2016 and is ongoing. Spend, spend, spend
How far are locals travelling to get over until new bridge ?
Maybe we could borrow the money from Ukraine ?
Or Isreal?
Or just one of those Russian Oligarchs Yaughts
This was very informative, thank you 🙏
I would like to know why the ramps can't still be used.
The existing approach ramps can't still be used because building techniques have changed over the last 50 years and to tie in to the old stuff would not be safe. In addition to that you now have 50-year-old infrastructure that has been hit by a ship and although these piers weren't in the destruction area there would still have been seismic and other reverberatory activities which take effect on the Rebar reinforced concrete piers.
@@bryanparkhurst17 Thank you
What is relevant is that a bridge be built that does not fall down. Limiting it to two lanes in each direction because of "environmental reviews" are too time consuming is a commentary on bureaucratic overreach and self-importance, and not about any meaningful threat to the environment. Given growth in the area since the 1970's, it is an insane waste of money to build a new bridge that does not add capacity just to satisfy political activists and agency apparatchiks.
Two lanes each direction is perfect for 30,000 cars a day.
@@1972RayThe only salvation for limited capacity may prove to be the decline of the city of Baltimore, and the broader decline in population statewide. These, alas, are likely the result of bad public policy, a sclerotic bureaucracy, and over taxation that make Maryland a difficult place to live for anyone not relying directly or indirectly on federal spending.
Is 2 lanes in each directions in the same direction good? Like ?
I went over it about a dozen times, maybe up to 20. Maybe I’m remembering wrong (unfortunately I don’t have any more pictures or videos of going over) anyways I remember it being 3 lanes each way or 2 and 3
@@Pacific_05 2 lanes each way.
2 lanes in each direction is fine for 30,000 cars a day. I drove that bridge every day for 28 years, and outside of rush hour, which isn't very busy, it's quiet.
The company who owned the Ship that took out the Bridge SHOULD PAY for the Bridge. WTF!!!!!!!!! The company that owns the ship should be on the hook for the FULL COST OF REPLACEMENT and revenue lost and any legal fees, fines and court costs. You don't let them get by with this. The Tax Payers ARE NOT TO BLAME and should NOT BE saddled with this cost in anyway!!!!!!!!!
When you accept an area of responsibility you do what's necessary to know what has problems. He got bridge assessment as late as last year because the whole country had to. He already was told of the dangers of this bridge. Lie for him if you want but the information was already put out.HE JUST DIDN'T CARE! Like Bowser and her 911 Call Center he doesn't take responsibility for his decisions. Bronze Star Recipient, that was against the law too!
I don't think it all should be refunded because this is the Port & States fault this even happened.
You are mistaken.
@@1972Ray
U are Mistaken
I didn't hear any conversation as to what the company that caused the damage was paying
An initial payment of 350 million was received. There will be more, and there are lawsuits flying. The port, the city, the state, companies affected and of course the families of the dead workers. People forget that using tax dollars to rebuild the bridge, is the Constitutionally correct use of tax dollars. US infrastructure used by US citizens. The cost will be an insignificant fraction of the money we send overseas every day. 8-10 billion is nothing relatively.
Seems like there should be insurance to cover the cost of the accident.
The shipping company had insurance, but like all insurance it's fighting for any reason to not pay.
@@appleintosh of course
Listen to the video starting at about 3:05
Why not build a sub sea tunnel instead ? That would be a much safer solution !
The bridge exists to carry hazardous materials, along with traffic. There are tow harbor tunnels already, and you can't even take propane thru them. Currently, a lot of truckers are breaking that rule, so lets hope there are no accidents.
Not sure why it has to take 3 years to build. I realize it will take time but THREE YEARS????
one of the most disgusting issues is you have many government entities all sucking off the taxpayers working against each other greatly increasing the costs of projects like this even before any construction begins.
Which crowd do you want stealing from you, private sector or public sector ?
I'm a taxpayer and I'd like to get sucked off lmfao
Hopefully Kamala Harris won't be in office either
Build back better?
Yes and we should name the new bridge after a Bronze Star recipient like the guy that allowed it to get torn down in the first place Wes Moore? Let me recommend a real Bronze Star recipient and how about this a Silver Star recipient too, CHRIS KYLE???
Wes Moore had nothing to do with the bridge collapse.
@@1972Ray NO, he had to do with ignoring reports that said the bridge would collapse if hit and took absolutely no efforts to safeguard against the collapse. No tugs, no barriers, no upgrades. And he knew since 2006. That's called negligence.
Are these women tv personalities?
How do you build on time and under budget. It is a replacement for one destroyed by freeloader. Goods being transported and vessel transporting them all have insurance. Bridge was just there doing what bridges are supposed to be doing. Somebody already paid for it.
Gotta deregulate just like we did with the "banks" so the elite can steal even faster.
I’m sure word came down from on high to speed up the process, “environment be damned, we’ve got an election to win”
It's also critical infrastructure.
@@JV-pu8kx The only "critical infrastructure" in America right now is the DNC bank roll and getting Scamala elected.
It's being treated as a brownfield site. For that matter, if Maryland's in play for the Republicans, the election's all but over.
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Nobody from this country will be hired to build it.
Weak start is an understatement. Need a concrete batch plant and an American Flag are the first two steps and not some clown who has talking points that no one is interested in. Clearly need something spectacular here and massive as well to secure USA National Security interests for the Region not a bunch of cheap junk as a for profit enterprise which is how the previous bridge collapsed.
Why can't they use the parts that didn't fall down
Just because they didn't fall down, doesn't mean they didn't get some damage.
Also, even the parts that didnt fall down are not up to modern standards.
bridge's all have a lifetime before they need to be replaced. Why use old parts that will need to be replaced sooner on a brand new-bridge.
Obsolete, old construction standard.
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Shipping company gets zfree ride , Seize the ship and make them pay !