It's nice to see that finally someone is building (AND SELLING) a printer that's actually fit for mass production, you can't afford to have people running around fixing printers all the time, micromanaging each printers performance and quality etc. 'just works' is way more important for production than it is even for consumer stuff.
@@FarazMKhan dude, 800hrs is some wood league number; some of our customers are averaging 500hrs per month per machine, but actually, im sure your printers are great, we're just doing our best to make the Voron experience scale to manufacturing companies that don't have an in house 3d printing expert. Most of them just want a machine they don't have to think about.
@@bobcao-pantheondesign3160 Yeah, totally agreed! Those machines are super beefy. I was just saying community pushed 3D printing so far that a first time designer like me, can build a machine that works from off the shelves parts.
This is super inspiring,i was thinking this morning on developing and producing a 3d printed within the next 5/7 years and some of the ideas i had where pretty similar to the solutions that you have arrived like using screws for the movement for example,keep working hard,ill try catch up to you in a few years
My take on it is, if my multi-million dollar production depends on it then a $10k printer is downright cheap. I recently read on Twitter about a user whose Y-axis bearings on his P1S broke after 6000 hours of printing, and they are not replaceable on this printer. Don't get me wrong, 6000 print hours is a lot for a printer under 1000 dollars, but when the printer is in use 24/7, 6000 print hours is nothing.
Some interesting dynamic in there, too. Am I wrong or didn't Slice go after Vez for the Goliath? Maybe what Bob is doing differently is to kick back to Slice and then for the heater, since Vez didn't patent its use in 3D printing there's no beef there. (That said, no idea of Vez was the first or if its patentable at all)
@@AntiVaganza slice went after Vez for the heater to heatsink mounting posts. Ya know the 4 rigid posts that connect the heatsink to the heat block. I can't remember how it was settled but it was a shitshow lol. Bob licensed the use of the patent from slice which is why their stuff looks identical. Same with how bondtech licensed the CHT patent from 3d solex so they could make their CHT nozzles.
Oh man! If I would live near them I would apply for a job. I love printers and motorcycles. At this moment I'm designing some PA6-CF parts for my KTM 1290SAR (extra Denali light mounts and navigation mount). Those guys at @PantheonDesign are awesome! I hope they're able to visit Formnext this year... Bob? Jason? Any chance you guys are coming over to Frankfurt?
before he said - motion plate and patented, I was thinking - great, odd that they'd be sharing the details, but alright, so now probably looking for investors to buy them out if they get granted those patents, which IMHO is just absurd, a plate with some motion hardware and patented? what kind of nonsense is that, every single thing out there is built on a principle like that, it is like trying to patent an alphabet... p.s. printing those cranks for bikes for marketing is ok and perhaps testing simulation software, but zero practicality in it
Nice dude, great tour and the machine looks super well thought out. But can you eloborate on what the mentioned patent is? Mounting a 2 axis motion system to a structural plate can't be it, right...?
i dont know the exact specifics but to my understanding its for having the entire motion system (XY and Z) being entirely mounted to a single component (the common plate) and nothing else for full functionality. and to be fair, ive yet to see any other commercial printer use this sort of design concept. and you can get around it by simply having the Z mounted to the bottom along with top.
About the latch on the drybox - I have this type of latch on 26 old thing at home, so you are really wasting time reinventing the wheel on off the shelf parts.
So, they are building/working with ESD sensitive electronics without basic ESD protection on the workplace... That will definitely add some reliability to the electronics. Also the wiring is terrible, colors are just random - green/yellow for the hot wire? Why are the ballscrews and the Z guiding rods supported only on one side - that just adds more and more resonant parts to the construction. BTW, patenting a mountig plate is really funny...
"I trust my life with our machine's capability" is a great sales technique
im currently commuting to work on a 3d printed chain ring and brake lever on my motorcycle
💀
watching your CEO live out this mantra is an emotional roller coaster 🤣
Great endorsement of the Ninja "filament dryer" near the end.
100% of our filament is fried to order
Bob is a very cool dude, thanks for the tour.
That tour was 🔥 it's dope seeing a small startup. Wish much to success to those guys!
It's nice to see that finally someone is building (AND SELLING) a printer that's actually fit for mass production, you can't afford to have people running around fixing printers all the time, micromanaging each printers performance and quality etc. 'just works' is way more important for production than it is even for consumer stuff.
were trying reeaaaaallyyy hard to make 3d printing boring
After 800+ printing hours on my custom design printer, its not hard to design a reliable printer.
@@FarazMKhan dude, 800hrs is some wood league number; some of our customers are averaging 500hrs per month per machine,
but actually, im sure your printers are great, we're just doing our best to make the Voron experience scale to manufacturing companies that don't have an in house 3d printing expert. Most of them just want a machine they don't have to think about.
@@bobcao-pantheondesign3160 Yeah, totally agreed! Those machines are super beefy. I was just saying community pushed 3D printing so far that a first time designer like me, can build a machine that works from off the shelves parts.
Bob is a great speaker and Pantheon clearly know how to build a solid machine. Awesome camera work too! Loved this video
That was dope! The use of pedometers to streamline the production process is pretty brilliant and clearly effective. Nice vid
Looks a great and passionate company. Congrats to Bob and the crew there..
That production shop is tight. Very impressive.
0:19 "good enough" LOL
That was really cool, thanks!
10:30 -- LOL. 30ft tower of filament.... "I just got back from SF" ... "I have no clue".
Great ! Respect to these Guys ! We need one 😅 Greetings from Germany ✌️
Thanks, that was very enjoyable 😊
So exiting ... Thanks Bob for letting us see inside.
This is super inspiring,i was thinking this morning on developing and producing a 3d printed within the next 5/7 years and some of the ideas i had where pretty similar to the solutions that you have arrived like using screws for the movement for example,keep working hard,ill try catch up to you in a few years
Who else saw that bug fly across the screen at 13:55?
you saw nothing.....
should have seen our old shop 😂 1 bug = luxury
a bought one a couple months ago. I've printed two spools. I'm a happy camper.
Neat-o, now to wait for the comments talking crap on the cost of the hand built printers that are baller.
sadly true
My take on it is, if my multi-million dollar production depends on it then a $10k printer is downright cheap.
I recently read on Twitter about a user whose Y-axis bearings on his P1S broke after 6000 hours of printing, and they are not replaceable on this printer. Don't get me wrong, 6000 print hours is a lot for a printer under 1000 dollars, but when the printer is in use 24/7, 6000 print hours is nothing.
we love a good debate... but you guys seem to correct these comments before we even get the chance to 👌
You can't argue with the results of a quality hot tip unit. I still stand on the theory that the VZ goliath is just a hot tip converted to a hot end.
Some interesting dynamic in there, too. Am I wrong or didn't Slice go after Vez for the Goliath? Maybe what Bob is doing differently is to kick back to Slice and then for the heater, since Vez didn't patent its use in 3D printing there's no beef there. (That said, no idea of Vez was the first or if its patentable at all)
@@AntiVaganza slice went after Vez for the heater to heatsink mounting posts. Ya know the 4 rigid posts that connect the heatsink to the heat block. I can't remember how it was settled but it was a shitshow lol.
Bob licensed the use of the patent from slice which is why their stuff looks identical. Same with how bondtech licensed the CHT patent from 3d solex so they could make their CHT nozzles.
@@gregorypfeifer9117 we licensed the 4 post mount from the slice, it's a really good solution to building a thermally isolated but ridgid coupling
Oh man! If I would live near them I would apply for a job. I love printers and motorcycles. At this moment I'm designing some PA6-CF parts for my KTM 1290SAR (extra Denali light mounts and navigation mount). Those guys at @PantheonDesign are awesome! I hope they're able to visit Formnext this year... Bob? Jason? Any chance you guys are coming over to Frankfurt?
Ahh not this year! were cooking up some stuff for 2025 though...
@@logannimmo4135 would love too :)
Awesome!!!
wow. they just seem like good people
How are they patenting a simple base plate?? What are they gonna patent next? Air?
its on our list!
Great video, love the printer!
This was fun to watch, especially him not knowing why the boxes were all stacked up . I'd totally buy one if I had a use case and the $$$ for one
Finally working.
pretty cool tour but i doubt they're going to get their patent granted as that building technique is fairly common in the industrial automation space.
14:48 - It's just enough kill!
Very beefy machine. Would love to have one.
I'll take two..... :)
before he said - motion plate and patented, I was thinking - great, odd that they'd be sharing the details, but alright, so now probably looking for investors to buy them out if they get granted those patents, which IMHO is just absurd, a plate with some motion hardware and patented? what kind of nonsense is that, every single thing out there is built on a principle like that, it is like trying to patent an alphabet...
p.s. printing those cranks for bikes for marketing is ok and perhaps testing simulation software, but zero practicality in it
eww no, were not looking for buy outs, thats no fun.
@@bobcao-pantheondesign3160thank for not being like micronics
I wonder how klipper handles ball screw backlash. I know on my CNC machines I use a dial indictor and do backlash compensation.
Hey! We use preloaded ball screws, so a few tenths at most in backlash
this is cool printer and I thought about similar to build myself... but green/yellow wire for DC? Really?
Nice dude, great tour and the machine looks super well thought out. But can you eloborate on what the mentioned patent is? Mounting a 2 axis motion system to a structural plate can't be it, right...?
i dont know the exact specifics but to my understanding its for having the entire motion system (XY and Z) being entirely mounted to a single component (the common plate) and nothing else for full functionality.
and to be fair, ive yet to see any other commercial printer use this sort of design concept. and you can get around it by simply having the Z mounted to the bottom along with top.
Nice
About the latch on the drybox - I have this type of latch on 26 old thing at home, so you are really wasting time reinventing the wheel on off the shelf parts.
What’s the print volume on these ?
300mm3
So, they are building/working with ESD sensitive electronics without basic ESD protection on the workplace... That will definitely add some reliability to the electronics. Also the wiring is terrible, colors are just random - green/yellow for the hot wire? Why are the ballscrews and the Z guiding rods supported only on one side - that just adds more and more resonant parts to the construction. BTW, patenting a mountig plate is really funny...
Canadia
Wait is Bob Taiwanese?
no clue
nahh im bobanese
first :) 😁😁😁😁