Excellent information Rafi. Note: In this video "petitioning for US citizenship" is intended to mean completing the naturalization process (not just starting the process). Italian citizenship was not forfeited until the Oath of Alligence was signed. That often took several years after filing a petition, and sometimes was never completed.
Thank you for coming to check out our new video podcast :) Are there any particular subjects you would like to know more about regarding Italian citizenship? We'd love to get the community involved and answer questions directly in upcoming podcasts
@@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance I need clarification! Both my parents were born in italy but lost their citizenship when they acquired the Canadian citizenship. If I'm not mistaken there's a way for me to acquire citizenship if I live in italy for three years right??
I am so sad! I just received my great grandfathers naturalization document and he was naturalized eight years before my grandfather was born :( so close, yet so far! But thank you for all of the information. At least I can go and visit!
It's my favorite RUclips star and my new attorney(yup, I finally decided to start the jure sanguines process and I am in line with the rest of Los Angeles). Awesome Rafi D.! Thanks for the new podcast!! Buona fortuna e in bocca al lupo!! -Joe
I was born in the USA and was able to obtain ALL of the documents required and submitted them to the Italian Consulate in Miami in 2010. It was one of the best experiences. I purchased my house in Sicily in 2017 as an Italian Citizen and plan to retire there one day..
MAstanco- My sister and I qualify under this provision and I'm trying to get a reservation through the Italian Consulate in Miami. Bookings seem to be 2 years out. It may have changed quite a bit since 2010 but did you do anything in particular to get in?
@@gregggalzerano981 Hi, When I made the reservation for my appointment, I had to call a number that charged by the minute. The wait time was about 9 months.When I renewed my Italian Passport, I was able to book through the Consulate website and the wait time was two months (that was in 2019). I understand they have less days and hours now, maybe because of Covid.
There is a lot of great information here but the one critical piece I think I need to clarify is where I need to find the documentation to prove that my grandfather did not become an American citizen.
thank you for the information. regarding naturalization, if the Italian ancestor applied for US citizenship but was denied, does jure sanguinis remain intact?
SO FAR SOOOO GOOD.... JUST SIGNED UP TODAY WITH ICA. OUR REP JASON HAS BEEN SOOOO AWESOME! LOOKING FORWARD WITH WORKING WITH THEM AND GETTING OUR CITIZENSHIP!!
My grandparents immigrated from Italy & my father was born (here) BEFORE my grandparents became US citizens. I believe that entitled him to dual citizenship? I am going to try for my Italian passport soon. :))
Touching on the Subject of 1948 Rule, if going through Your Company and having the Case brought in front of the Court in Rome, Will I Have to go to Italy to Finalize the Process in order to Apply for My Italian Passport at the Consulate here in the US or will I have to go to Italy to Apply for My Passport after Your Company has received the Verdict from the Italian Court?
Great question Mr. D, for more information about the 1948 process check out our newest podcast ruclips.net/video/Ng2pYJS_7AU/видео.html You should find all the answers to your question there, but if you have any other questions please feel free to contact us, our contact information is in the "more info" section below the video.
So if I understand correctly, my Italian born (1947)husband would need his Italian birth certificate , his parents marriage certificate , the names of his Italian grandparents , Canadian immigration papers (1954) and his Canadian citizenship paper ? Are there other documents we would need?
Well done Rafael! Well done! You have a beautiful radio, video voice💕👍 I cannot get dual citizenship because my grandfather naturalized before my father was born, my great grandfather never naturalized. However my grandmother was born in Italy she never naturalized nor did her parents - my grandparents. I was told I could use the 1948 ruling. I have done research on her and no naturalization papers found. Can you talk more about the 1948 ruling prior being born 1948.👋👍
Hello Swisser, For more information about 1948 cases check out the newest episode of The Italian Citizenship Podcast here :ruclips.net/video/Ng2pYJS_7AU/видео.html
What was the date your grandfather naturalised and when was your father born? The 1948 ruling is basically a woman can hold Italian citizenship from 1933 but can't pass it on to her children. 01/01/1948 was the date women in the Italian heritage line could pass on citizenship to her children. www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/emigration/31488 It can be appealed on the basis of equality if your female ancestor had a child born before 1948
@@pockclash1276 my grandfather naturalized 1918, my father was born 1922, I believe this disqualified me. My grandmother never naturalized, nor did her parents ( my grandparents)
@@cmayone94 Right, so you can't apply through your grandfather but you can through your grandmother. www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/emigration/31488 This is how to appeal the 1948 rule
I'm so happy that I found this channel. I've just started the process of researching to see if I'm eligible for dual Italian citizenship. I'm looking through archives and documentations. However, I'd really like to hear more about the 1948 law because I'm still confused about it. This was a very informative video and a wonderful channel.
Let me try to explain what I know to you. So, my great-great-grandparents immigrated from Italy to Brazil around the 1890s, in Brazil they had children, including my great-grandmother who was given both Brazilian and Italian citizenship by birth. From what I have heard about Italians who immigrated to the USA, their children must have been born before they were naturalized Americans. I don't actually know how it works in Brazil LOL. So, knowing the fact my great-grandmother was Italian (born in Brazil around the 1910s), we, now have to look at her children. My grandmother was born before 1948, before this date, women couldn't pass their citizenship rights to their children, which means my great-grandmother was not allowed to pass the Italian citizenship to my grandmother! My great-grandmother had other children, one of them is my grandaunt who was born after 1948 (meaning she received the right to get her Italian citizenship). But even if my grandmother was born before 1948, there is still a way I was able to get my Italian citizenship which we in Brazil call "via judicial materna" in English: maternal judicial way. This basically means that we are suing the Italian government for being sexist in the past and not allowing women this right. As I said, my grandaunt was born after 1948, so one of my uncles was able to go to Italy and do the whole process there, it only takes a few months (In Brazil we call this process the administrative way), on the other hand, the way I did took around 2 years! And if you know your case is that one of your grandparents or parents was born after 1948, you can either go to Italy and do the whole process there, or you can do it through the Italian consulate in your country, which will probably take longer. Or if your case is like mine, I suggest doing the maternal judicial way. I suggest looking at this dailyiowan.com/2021/04/30/italian-citizenship-by-descent-can-you-get-it-with-a-maternal-lineage/#:~:text=The%20current%20Italian%20citizenship%20by,because%20they%20have%20female%20ascendants. it that's your case.
@@bernardooechsler116 I am in a similar situation to you except in the US - my great great grandfather immigrated to the US in 1911, had my great grandmother in 1920, he became a naturalized citizen in 1924 (so all good until now), then my grandmother was born in 1938…10 years later and it would have been so much easier! I’m happy to see your message though because it confirms that I am interpreting Italian citizenship law correctly and since I don’t plan to move there for about 5 years, it gives me hope that the process can be completed within the time frame that I was hoping for. Do you have any suggestions for helping make the process easier?
@@brandirienecker8988 Your situation is exactly like mine. I would suggest you hire a person that can assist you better. But summarizing, you will have to gather all the documents proving you are connected somehow to an Italian in your ancestral lineage (luckily my uncle had all the documents proving our connection to the Italian, I just had to gather my grandmother and mother's documents), then you will need an Italian lawyer in Italy (the person that you hire will be able to assist you with that) and send all the documents to Italy after you have them. As soon as the lawyer has your documents (translated, apostilled) he/she will file your process. After that, is just waiting. The average wait time is around 2 years now. I believe that you will have your citizenship recognized within the 5 years time frame.
Quanto costa? I assume someone is going to make more than a few dollars off this process including the marvelously efficient Italian Government. Any ideas on how much does this process cost roughly? Very helpful video!
My grandmother who was of Italian Ancestry was born in America but married and had children in Italy. During the second world war she emigrated to the US with her sons born in Italy one of whom was my father. I don't know if my father had to naturalize to the US because his mother was born in the US. How do I find out? Can I get records from the US naturalization service?
It depends on where your grandmother lived whether your father was born before or after she was possibly naturalized and if your father was born before or after january 1, 1948.
Hi Isaac, He may have been, for a free eligibility evaluation feel free to contact us directly and we would be happy to help you through the process. Our contact information is in the "more info" section below the video.
You have to go to consulate that represents the area where you live. That definitly would not be Detroit, but check online and see which one covers the state of Arizona.
Ciao, ho inviato una richiesta di valutazione iniziale ma non ho ricevuto risposta. I miei bisnonni emigrarono negli Stati Uniti nel 1911 e nel 1913. Il documento della "Dichiarazione di Intenzione" è considerato "naturalizzazione"? Nessuno dei due è mai stato contrassegnato come naturalizzato nei registri del Census Bureau. Dice solo "primi documenti". Questo si qualifica?
Both of my mother's fathers parents (wow mouthful) came here from Bene Vagienna in 1902. So my Great-Grandparents (both) came from Italy, do I qualify? Can I get dual citizenship? My Grand Father was born in the US as well as obviously my mother.
My great grandfather immigrated to US in 1912. He had my grandfather and later naturalized in 1966. My grandfather had my mother. Am I disqualified because of my mother? She was born in 1958.
Hello. If I currently live in the United States, how much would it cost for a lawyer fee? Also, how much per month and what maximum payment of installments?
Currently, it is roughly $13k for a 1948 case. Cheaper if it is a case that goes through your nearest Italian consulate. According to Peremunian's representatives, they take two payments and SOMETIMES three separate installments. The 1948 law is a very expensive route. I want to go forward with it, but the costs may deem it illogical from a financial standpoint.
Thanks so much for sharing this. How does this apply to self-employed freelance visas for people who want to work remote for U.S. companies or clients?
Once you have received citizenship through the US Italian Consulate, can you go to the Commune in Italy to obtain your passport directly? The next appointment in the US could be 2 years out so is this an alternative?
So am I correct in thinking that my GF came to the US in 1919 my father was born in 34 my GF naturalized in 1938 I am eligible for Italian citizenship?
Great information Rafael.. I have a question. I am trying to get citizenship tjeoigh my great grandfather. So if my great grandparents came from italy had my grandmother first then naturalized am I able to get citizenship?
I like these videos I have my appointment with the Italian council in October I still live with my grandmother and She was born in Italy all my grandparents were born in Italy but they all immigrated to Canada my dad was born in 1962 my grandmother became a Canadian citizen in 1978 hopefully I qualify?
This video was helpful, however, I'm still confused about discrepancies in documents, specifically minor spelling errors in last names due to my ancestors not knowing how to read or spell in English. My grandmother had many of her own marriage documents which were inconsistent in spelling. Her husband's death-related documents also had spelling errors. My own mother applied for her own marriage license with a misspelled Maiden name. My problem is that in their lifetimes, my grandmother married 4 times and my mother married twice. I am in the process of obtaining my grandmother's birth certificate and natualization documnets. What's the best way to dealing my short chain of documents having so many spelling errors?
For example in my country ( Ecuador) , one goes to the national civil registry and request for them to fix mistakes but you’ll need proof. For example , when my great grandmother was born , her dad’s last name in her birth certificate was all together, we took a copy of his Italian birth certificate and were able to fix it , then some dates where off , we fix them too.
Any suggestions on finding records from ancestors who never left Italy and marriages/births that took place there? I’ve searched and searched ancestry websites and can’t confirm my great great grandparents names or my great grandparents date and place of marriage. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you.
www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/?lang=en Not all regions have their records digitalized, for instance, I was able to trace my mothers family several generations back- they were Barese. However, I have not found any records from my dads family in northern Italy.
So my great grandfather naturalized in 1921 and my grandfather was born in 1926...my grandaunt was born in 1920...so she is an Italian citizen but my grandfather isn’t?
Precisely one month ago, my document kit was received at the Italian consulate in Miami. I have a couple of “friends” that have knowledge of this and find information from unreliable sources via utube with no knowledge of jure sangunis stating that my efforts are null and void. Whether it’s true or not, one it’s ignorant and two they are envious. I’ve tried educating them on the process and Italian laws but it falls on deaf ears. But they won’t refer to one ICA video. Folks, don’t let anyone crush your dream. Jure sangunis is alive and well.
Hello my father he's Italian and my mother she's Kenyan. And here they denied to give me identification that because of my father. I can't do anything here How can you help me
PLEASE NEXT VIDEO explain the process of the Italian citizenship for minor by parents Italian born in Italy and naturalize American. but still Italian and alive. How the parent can summit the application. I know is more easy but is still a process that not everybody understand. can you be more specific with those type of cases.
my mother's FATHER was born in Italy. My mother was born in the US in 1922. Grandpa became a US citizen in 1926. I was born in 1948. Would I qualify to apply for Italian Citizenship?
Also when the pandemic started the papers were saying that there were over 9000 Italian citizens that were infected with covid and possibly died in northern Italy. From my research seems like the high end fashion houses hire Chinese workers. That their are 300,000 or more Chinese working in a town near Milan. So the fashion houses can put the made in Italy label on their product dress shoes etc Many of these Chinese went back to China for their new year and thus also contaminated .. Question were the 9000 infected were they in fact Chinese ? Or a mix
Ok I have a question. My grandfather immigrated to the United States in 1912. In 1917 he changed his name and lied about his age to join the army. Therefore, now my dad had the new last name and me and my brother have the new last name. Do we still have a chance of gaining or Italian citizenship?
I was born in uk to Italian parents. I still have family living in Italy. What nationality am I according to Italy? Am I British but considered an Italian citizen or is my nationality Italian according to Italy? Thanks 🙏
Hi, what about non Italian family? What would the route be to follow. Would you be able to assist people like me who have no connection with Italy but wants to become a citizen?
If I'm not mistaken you'd need to live in Italy and have a job with a contract to attest it for 20(?) years and then you'd be eligible to the process, if meanwhile you have a son and he goes to school in Italy age 1-18 when he/she is 18 years old he/she must follow a citizenship course and then take a test, meaning your offspring may get citizenship before you do.
The Grandfather is used as the example in this podcast, but if it’s passed through my great grandmother is that ok? Her parents are from Italy, but she was born in the US.
What happens if ur grandfather emigrated from Italy, while Fiume/Rijeka was under Austrian rule, he was ethnically Italian and was registered as ethnic Italian but didn’t ever have Italian citizenship?thanks
Can anyone point me in the direction of getting my great grandfather's birth certificate from Italy? Is there a website or anything? My great grandfather was born in Maddaloni, Italy.
I need clarification is the date used for naturalization to exclude future generations based on the date of intent or the petition for naturalization and oath of allegiance?
Does anyone know-if your ancestor signed a declaration of intent for US citizenship before their child was born (but became fully naturalized after they were born) does that disqualify the child?
My grandmother was naturalized in 1956 and reacquired her Italian citizenship in 1994. Does that mean I can still obtain my dual citizenship since she got hers back?
In terms of name changes, what if the surname changed by just one vowel? Mustone in one generation became Mistone in the next. Would that be an issue? Great video, thank you!
Good day, my dad naturalized as an italian from the cisterna di latina comune in Italy in the year 2017, he died this year. To check if i am eligible, i want to ask if i stand a chance of applying for jure sanguinis. He wasent born in italy, he naturalised his birth certificate is registered in the comune where he resided for 10 years . Pls we are four siblings and children to the man. Pls am i eligible..he wasent born in italy he naturalised from his refugee status as a stateless man , and became an italian the year 2017..pls am i eligible?
My Grandmother (maternal) my Great grandparents (paternal) were born in Italy. Their parents were Italian as well. I have done the research. The rest of my family are Italian American. My sister did a DNA test at it told her she was 97% Italian.
So glad I found this! Definitely subscribed. I have a question maybe you can answer. My great great grandfather immigrated over here in 1882. Through all the documents I have looked at in my ancestry it looks as if he never naturalized. In the 1940 census he was still listed as alien. My great grandfather was born here and I'm not sure if he would have naturalized. So far, I have not found anything about it. My questions are these: if my ancestors never naturalized, what proof could I give of that fact for documents? Would my great grandfather have to naturalize if his father never did? I'm not seeing any documentation for him either.
What if my great great grandfather was still a child when he became naturalized? His father was the one who immigrated with his family, but they were already born in Italy. He was only 5 years old. I imagine if any of them naturalized, it must have happened when he was still a minor. Would I still be eligible?
If my paternal great grandfather was born in Italy 1870 arrived in US 1892,my grandmother born in the US 1910 , her parents naturalized 1927 , do I qualify for Jure Sanguinis ?
What year was your father born? It would need to be after 1948 for a clean case, which seems unlikely for you based on a 1910 birthday. If it was before 1948 then you would have to go through that court order process they mentioned in the video.
When was your father born? If after 01/01/1948 then yes you qualify but if not apply and appeal when they decline. www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/emigration/31488
I have for the past 5 or 6 years been gathering all the necessary information for my application for my Italian citicizenship to comply with Jure Sanguinis, along with legal help from individuals who do this sort of thing for a living. My appointment with the Italian Consulate in Miami was in May of 2019 at which time I went with the necessary fees and paperwork. I was told by the individual I dealt with in Miami that just because I did everything right an according to procedure, that it did not mean I was going to get my Italian citizenship. In a few months it will be a year since that time and I haven't heard a thing from them. If there anything you might be able to help me with to move this procedure along, I would be eternally grateful. Grazie, Geralomo. (Jerry)
They have up to two years by law. And they take it. There are many, many people doing the same. Especially right now given the Covid-19 situation, it will take longer. I hope it goes well for you, I'm prepping to do it in NY at the moment.
Rafael, I would like to see a talk about cases like mine, where my great-grandfather was an Italian Citizen jure sanguinis like us, born in Turkey and later immigrated to Venezuela.
Pock Clash The question would be as such: What would be the process of Italian citizenship JS where your Italian ancestor was born outside of Italy, but he was a recognized Italian citizen by birth right? And what would be the process of Italian citizenship JS if your ancestor was a naturalized Italian citizen?
@@Maxmouse15 Not clear. Was your last ancestor born in Italy alive after March 17 1861? I assume this would be your great great grandfather? If he moved abroad and was an Italian citizen at the time of your great grandfather's birth then he would have citizenship. If your great grandfather never gave up his Italian citizenship or naturalised after his child was born then his child (your grandfather or grandmother) would have Italian citizenship then if your grandfather or grandmother never gave up Italian citizenship they have given to their child (your mother or father) then if your mother or father never gave up citizenship then it is passed on to you.
Pock Clash That is exactly right. But, some consulates said you needed all the paperwork for your last ancestor born in Italy (GGGGF for me), even if you were just producing all transcriptions from Italy. Also, in Caracas they told my family they could not apply unless they could produce an inscription and not a transcription of birth. In my case I used my GGF’s transcription of birth in Italy, and produced a letter from his local Consulate saying he was an Italian citizen registered in their Consulate. The process is very different when you are searching for a birth certificate years after the birth of your ancestor not born in Italy, and including another country in the process.
@@Maxmouse15 you need to get the italian birth certificate of your GGF. During the process of cittizenship recognition Consulates send a Form to the italian comune where your italian ancestor born asking to inscribe the requester as a italian cittizen. It very likely the comune where your GGGGF born could give you the birth certificate of your GGF
If my parents lost their Italian citizenship when they got their Canadian citizenship, then why did my parents continue to get those postcards notifying them of Italian elections for over 40 years?
@Legio XXI Rapax my parents became Canadian citizens in 1956. I wss born after that. My understanding is that the ability to retain their Italian citizenship did not start until the late 60's. They would have had to move to Italy again and re-apply for their Italian citizenship
Ford429 hi there. My husband is going through the same issue. The only difference is that his parents recovered the citizenship, but did not pass it to my husband. I think the lawyer does not know much about this matter.
Which guts can you please tell us the exact dates your telling us about this info. With the pandemic tell us how hard it's going to be Also why ? applying for citizenship should be as easy as getting your passport. If you have all your documents. Why is it so slow and complicated
Wow that's great your rules about an immigrant from let's say Middle East etc who has a child in Italy didn't make that child Italian like here in USA which I think this law has been seriously abused ..
Has anyone worked with IDC (Italian Dual Citizenship) or ICA (Italian Citizenship Assistance)? I would like to work with them but it seems like a lot of money. I want to make sure they are legit. Thank you!
What are the Italians going to do about all the imposed immigrants invasion from Middle East a few years ago we didn't hear anything about what the Europeans did to protect all the country's in EU
I was born in Italy , but became a citizen of canada 30 years ago , I want my Italian citizenship back .
Excellent information Rafi.
Note: In this video "petitioning for US citizenship" is intended to mean completing the naturalization process (not just starting the process). Italian citizenship was not forfeited until the Oath of Alligence was signed. That often took several years after filing a petition, and sometimes was never completed.
Looking forward to the series!!
Thank you for coming to check out our new video podcast :)
Are there any particular subjects you would like to know more about regarding Italian citizenship?
We'd love to get the community involved and answer questions directly in upcoming podcasts
@@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance I need clarification! Both my parents were born in italy but lost their citizenship when they acquired the Canadian citizenship. If I'm not mistaken there's a way for me to acquire citizenship if I live in italy for three years right??
@@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance my great grand father was immigrated to Algeria in 1860 can I claim Italian citizenship?
I'm not even Italian but this was wonderful and very clear, thank you
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I am so sad! I just received my great grandfathers naturalization document and he was naturalized eight years before my grandfather was born :( so close, yet so far! But thank you for all of the information. At least I can go and visit!
You may qualify trough your grandmother?
It's my favorite RUclips star and my new attorney(yup, I finally decided to start the jure sanguines process and I am in line with the rest of Los Angeles). Awesome Rafi D.! Thanks for the new podcast!! Buona fortuna e in bocca al lupo!! -Joe
I heard recently it is a 7 year wait. Have you heard that, as well?
@@snowboardpirate25 I'm not sure yet. The good people at ICA are still gathering documents. Last I heard it was around 2 years. -Joe
@@snowboardpirate25 it can take a long time if you take a long time to get your docs together. But by law they have 2 years, I believe.
I was born in the USA and was able to obtain ALL of the documents required and submitted them to the Italian Consulate in Miami in 2010. It was one of the best experiences. I purchased my house in Sicily in 2017 as an Italian Citizen and plan to retire there one day..
MAstanco- My sister and I qualify under this provision and I'm trying to get a reservation through the Italian Consulate in Miami. Bookings seem to be 2 years out. It may have changed quite a bit since 2010 but did you do anything in particular to get in?
@@gregggalzerano981 Hi, When I made the reservation for my appointment, I had to call a number that charged by the minute. The wait time was about 9 months.When I renewed my Italian Passport, I was able to book through the Consulate website and the wait time was two months (that was in 2019). I understand they have less days and hours now, maybe because of Covid.
I am just beginning the process, but will be going thru Miami also. My retirement plan is to live in Southern Italy.
There is a lot of great information here but the one critical piece I think I need to clarify is where I need to find the documentation to prove that my grandfather did not become an American citizen.
Go to health.ny.gov. Go to section menu. Then to Geneology records. It's all there. Everything you need. Just look at the menu. Hope this is helpful
@@donnacoelho3543 I'm not sure that's the correct website.
Extremely informative. Thank you.
You are freaking awesome! Perfect.
Thank you Jeanne for coming to check out this new project 😁
thank you for the information. regarding naturalization, if the Italian ancestor applied for US citizenship but was denied, does jure sanguinis remain intact?
SO FAR SOOOO GOOD.... JUST SIGNED UP TODAY WITH ICA. OUR REP JASON HAS BEEN SOOOO AWESOME! LOOKING FORWARD WITH WORKING WITH THEM AND GETTING OUR CITIZENSHIP!!
Can you tell me if you managed with them? I am not sure if I should hire them or no
This helped me so much! Thank you for this!
My grandparents immigrated from Italy & my father was born (here) BEFORE my grandparents became US citizens. I believe that entitled him to dual citizenship? I am going to try for my Italian passport soon. :))
Touching on the Subject of 1948 Rule, if going through Your Company and having the Case brought in front of the Court in Rome, Will I Have to go to Italy to Finalize the Process in order to Apply for My Italian Passport at the Consulate here in the US or will I have to go to Italy to Apply for My Passport after Your Company has received the Verdict from the Italian Court?
Great question Mr. D, for more information about the 1948 process check out our newest podcast ruclips.net/video/Ng2pYJS_7AU/видео.html
You should find all the answers to your question there, but if you have any other questions please feel free to contact us, our contact information is in the "more info" section below the video.
So if I understand correctly, my Italian born (1947)husband would need his Italian birth certificate , his parents marriage certificate , the names of his Italian grandparents , Canadian immigration papers (1954) and his Canadian citizenship paper ? Are there other documents we would need?
the double taxation treaty (article 18) agreement between Italy and the USA should prevent double taxation for pensioners from either country?
Well done Rafael! Well done! You have a beautiful radio, video voice💕👍 I cannot get dual citizenship because my grandfather naturalized before my father was born, my great grandfather never naturalized. However my grandmother was born in Italy she never naturalized nor did her parents - my grandparents. I was told I could use the 1948 ruling. I have done research on her and no naturalization papers found. Can you talk more about the 1948 ruling prior being born 1948.👋👍
Hello Swisser,
For more information about 1948 cases check out the newest episode of The Italian Citizenship Podcast here :ruclips.net/video/Ng2pYJS_7AU/видео.html
What was the date your grandfather naturalised and when was your father born? The 1948 ruling is basically a woman can hold Italian citizenship from 1933 but can't pass it on to her children. 01/01/1948 was the date women in the Italian heritage line could pass on citizenship to her children. www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/emigration/31488 It can be appealed on the basis of equality if your female ancestor had a child born before 1948
@@pockclash1276 my grandfather naturalized 1918, my father was born 1922, I believe this disqualified me. My grandmother never naturalized, nor did her parents ( my grandparents)
@@cmayone94 Right, so you can't apply through your grandfather but you can through your grandmother. www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/emigration/31488 This is how to appeal the 1948 rule
These guys are awesome!
Do you assist in the process of obtaining the required paperwork for Australians looking for citizenship?
I'm so happy that I found this channel. I've just started the process of researching to see if I'm eligible for dual Italian citizenship. I'm looking through archives and documentations.
However, I'd really like to hear more about the 1948 law because I'm still confused about it. This was a very informative video and a wonderful channel.
Let me try to explain what I know to you. So, my great-great-grandparents immigrated from Italy to Brazil around the 1890s, in Brazil they had children, including my great-grandmother who was given both Brazilian and Italian citizenship by birth. From what I have heard about Italians who immigrated to the USA, their children must have been born before they were naturalized Americans. I don't actually know how it works in Brazil LOL. So, knowing the fact my great-grandmother was Italian (born in Brazil around the 1910s), we, now have to look at her children. My grandmother was born before 1948, before this date, women couldn't pass their citizenship rights to their children, which means my great-grandmother was not allowed to pass the Italian citizenship to my grandmother! My great-grandmother had other children, one of them is my grandaunt who was born after 1948 (meaning she received the right to get her Italian citizenship). But even if my grandmother was born before 1948, there is still a way I was able to get my Italian citizenship which we in Brazil call "via judicial materna" in English: maternal judicial way. This basically means that we are suing the Italian government for being sexist in the past and not allowing women this right. As I said, my grandaunt was born after 1948, so one of my uncles was able to go to Italy and do the whole process there, it only takes a few months (In Brazil we call this process the administrative way), on the other hand, the way I did took around 2 years! And if you know your case is that one of your grandparents or parents was born after 1948, you can either go to Italy and do the whole process there, or you can do it through the Italian consulate in your country, which will probably take longer. Or if your case is like mine, I suggest doing the maternal judicial way. I suggest looking at this dailyiowan.com/2021/04/30/italian-citizenship-by-descent-can-you-get-it-with-a-maternal-lineage/#:~:text=The%20current%20Italian%20citizenship%20by,because%20they%20have%20female%20ascendants. it that's your case.
@@bernardooechsler116 I am in a similar situation to you except in the US - my great great grandfather immigrated to the US in 1911, had my great grandmother in 1920, he became a naturalized citizen in 1924 (so all good until now), then my grandmother was born in 1938…10 years later and it would have been so much easier! I’m happy to see your message though because it confirms that I am interpreting Italian citizenship law correctly and since I don’t plan to move there for about 5 years, it gives me hope that the process can be completed within the time frame that I was hoping for. Do you have any suggestions for helping make the process easier?
@@brandirienecker8988 Your situation is exactly like mine. I would suggest you hire a person that can assist you better. But summarizing, you will have to gather all the documents proving you are connected somehow to an Italian in your ancestral lineage (luckily my uncle had all the documents proving our connection to the Italian, I just had to gather my grandmother and mother's documents), then you will need an Italian lawyer in Italy (the person that you hire will be able to assist you with that) and send all the documents to Italy after you have them. As soon as the lawyer has your documents (translated, apostilled) he/she will file your process. After that, is just waiting. The average wait time is around 2 years now. I believe that you will have your citizenship recognized within the 5 years time frame.
@@brandirienecker8988 I believe that even them from this channel/company can assist you with that, try to contact them.
Spot on!
Quanto costa? I assume someone is going to make more than a few dollars off this process including the marvelously efficient Italian Government. Any ideas on how much does this process cost roughly? Very helpful video!
My grandmother who was of Italian Ancestry was born in America but married and had children in Italy. During the second world war she emigrated to the US with her sons born in Italy one of whom was my father. I don't know if my father had to naturalize to the US because his mother was born in the US. How do I find out? Can I get records from the US naturalization service?
I need some clarification. Since my grandmother was an Italian citizen during the birth of my father, he's technically an Italian citizen?
It depends on where your grandmother lived whether your father was born before or after she was possibly naturalized and if your father was born before or after january 1, 1948.
Hi Isaac,
He may have been, for a free eligibility evaluation feel free to contact us directly and we would be happy to help you through the process. Our contact information is in the "more info" section below the video.
When was your father born
How do i prove my gradmother was never naturalized? Only my grandfather was naturuzed.
Soo glad to hear Italy is protecting her ancestry
Hi loved this. I live in Arizona so close to the L consulate, do I have to use the LA or can I make an appointment in Detroit?
Your link seems to be wrong and only goes to a page that indicates YT.
You have to go to consulate that represents the area where you live. That definitly would not be Detroit, but check online and see which one covers the state of Arizona.
Ciao, ho inviato una richiesta di valutazione iniziale ma non ho ricevuto risposta. I miei bisnonni emigrarono negli Stati Uniti nel 1911 e nel 1913. Il documento della "Dichiarazione di Intenzione" è considerato "naturalizzazione"? Nessuno dei due è mai stato contrassegnato come naturalizzato nei registri del Census Bureau. Dice solo "primi documenti". Questo si qualifica?
Hi Nicole, Lisa from our office will send you an email shortly (today)
Both of my mother's fathers parents (wow mouthful) came here from Bene Vagienna in 1902. So my Great-Grandparents (both) came from Italy, do I qualify? Can I get dual citizenship? My Grand Father was born in the US as well as obviously my mother.
My great grandfather immigrated to US in 1912. He had my grandfather and later naturalized in 1966. My grandfather had my mother. Am I disqualified because of my mother? She was born in 1958.
I have a question. My mother and father were not married. However, my father is on my birth certificate. Is that enough?
I'M DOING MY ITALIAN NOW
Hello. If I currently live in the United States, how much would it cost for a lawyer fee?
Also, how much per month and what maximum payment of installments?
Currently, it is roughly $13k for a 1948 case. Cheaper if it is a case that goes through your nearest Italian consulate. According to Peremunian's representatives, they take two payments and SOMETIMES three separate installments.
The 1948 law is a very expensive route. I want to go forward with it, but the costs may deem it illogical from a financial standpoint.
Thanks so much for sharing this. How does this apply to self-employed freelance visas for people who want to work remote for U.S. companies or clients?
Once you have received citizenship through the US Italian Consulate, can you go to the Commune in Italy to obtain your passport directly? The next appointment in the US could be 2 years out so is this an alternative?
The wait time at your consulate to get your passport is 2 years? It usually is shorter
So am I correct in thinking that my GF came to the US in 1919 my father was born in 34 my GF naturalized in 1938 I am eligible for Italian citizenship?
I believe so
Yes
my father became italian citizen recently can i acquire citizenship through him
Great information Rafael.. I have a question. I am trying to get citizenship tjeoigh my great grandfather. So if my great grandparents came from italy had my grandmother first then naturalized am I able to get citizenship?
Yes, if all the other requirements are met. Contact us through our website for more info :)
Thank you...I think I will go through my great grandfather, grandfather, then through my dad. Is it a better route than grandmother?
Are copies of documents acceptable? For example, printouts of documents from genealogy web sites.
What if my grandmother was born in Italy and never was naturalized?
Is is only the man?
Birth certificate for Italian nationality must be from normal entry? plz ans me request
I like these videos I have my appointment with the Italian council in October I still live with my grandmother and She was born in Italy all my grandparents were born in Italy but they all immigrated to Canada my dad was born in 1962 my grandmother became a Canadian citizen in 1978 hopefully I qualify?
This so helpful- thank you so much
This video was helpful, however, I'm still confused about discrepancies in documents, specifically minor spelling errors in last names due to my ancestors not knowing how to read or spell in English. My grandmother had many of her own marriage documents which were inconsistent in spelling. Her husband's death-related documents also had spelling errors. My own mother applied for her own marriage license with a misspelled Maiden name. My problem is that in their lifetimes, my grandmother married 4 times and my mother married twice. I am in the process of obtaining my grandmother's birth certificate and natualization documnets. What's the best way to dealing my short chain of documents having so many spelling errors?
For example in my country ( Ecuador) , one goes to the national civil registry and request for them to fix mistakes but you’ll need proof. For example , when my great grandmother was born , her dad’s last name in her birth certificate was all together, we took a copy of his Italian birth certificate and were able to fix it , then some dates where off , we fix them too.
Any suggestions on finding records from ancestors who never left Italy and marriages/births that took place there? I’ve searched and searched ancestry websites and can’t confirm my great great grandparents names or my great grandparents date and place of marriage. Any help would be appreciated! Thank you.
www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it/?lang=en
Not all regions have their records digitalized, for instance, I was able to trace my mothers family several generations back- they were Barese. However, I have not found any records from my dads family in northern Italy.
So my great grandfather naturalized in 1921 and my grandfather was born in 1926...my grandaunt was born in 1920...so she is an Italian citizen but my grandfather isn’t?
Precisely one month ago, my document kit was received at the Italian consulate in Miami. I have a couple of “friends” that have knowledge of this and find information from unreliable sources via utube with no knowledge of jure sangunis stating that my efforts are null and void. Whether it’s true or not, one it’s ignorant and two they are envious. I’ve tried educating them on the process and Italian laws but it falls on deaf ears. But they won’t refer to one ICA video. Folks, don’t let anyone crush your dream. Jure sangunis is alive and well.
Can I apply for carta d identita before I get my citizenship jure Sanguin
You say immigrant but does that include my grandmother even if my grandfather became naturized?
Hello my father he's Italian and my mother she's Kenyan. And here they denied to give me identification that because of my father. I can't do anything here How can you help me
PLEASE NEXT VIDEO explain the process of the Italian citizenship for minor by parents Italian born in Italy and naturalize American. but still Italian and alive. How the parent can summit the application. I know is more easy but is still a process that not everybody understand. can you be more specific with those type of cases.
my mother's FATHER was born in Italy. My mother was born in the US in 1922. Grandpa became a US citizen in 1926. I was born in 1948. Would I qualify to apply for Italian Citizenship?
Also when the pandemic started the papers were saying that there were over 9000 Italian citizens that were infected with covid and possibly died
in northern Italy. From my research seems like the high end fashion houses hire Chinese workers. That their are 300,000 or more Chinese working in a town near Milan. So the fashion houses can put the made in Italy label on their product dress shoes etc
Many of these Chinese went back to China for their new year and thus also contaminated ..
Question were the 9000 infected were they in fact Chinese ? Or a mix
Ok I have a question. My grandfather immigrated to the United States in 1912. In 1917 he changed his name and lied about his age to join the army. Therefore, now my dad had the new last name and me and my brother have the new last name. Do we still have a chance of gaining or Italian citizenship?
I was born in uk to Italian parents. I still have family living in Italy. What nationality am I according to Italy?
Am I British but considered an Italian citizen or is my nationality Italian according to Italy? Thanks 🙏
My grandparents were not married at the time of the my fathers birth, but married after and he is listed on his birth certificate. Is this a problem?
Hi, what about non Italian family? What would the route be to follow. Would you be able to assist people like me who have no connection with Italy but wants to become a citizen?
If I'm not mistaken you'd need to live in Italy and have a job with a contract to attest it for 20(?) years and then you'd be eligible to the process, if meanwhile you have a son and he goes to school in Italy age 1-18 when he/she is 18 years old he/she must follow a citizenship course and then take a test, meaning your offspring may get citizenship before you do.
@@jacopogabrielli2024 I think IL be looking for some one to marry then
The Grandfather is used as the example in this podcast, but if it’s passed through my great grandmother is that ok? Her parents are from Italy, but she was born in the US.
Will you post on apple podcasts?
What happens if ur grandfather emigrated from Italy, while Fiume/Rijeka was under Austrian rule, he was ethnically Italian and was registered as ethnic Italian but didn’t ever have Italian citizenship?thanks
I think I'm screwed since my father became a Canadian citizen (1969) two years before I was born.
Can anyone point me in the direction of getting my great grandfather's birth certificate from Italy? Is there a website or anything? My great grandfather was born in Maddaloni, Italy.
We can get it!...please contact us through our website italiancitizenshipassistance.com
Outstanding video, if my wife and kids were able to prove lineage to citizenship, would it be mandatory to take the B1 language test
I need clarification is the date used for naturalization to exclude future generations based on the date of intent or the petition for naturalization and oath of allegiance?
Hi, oath of allegiance (when person is admitted to became a citizen of the US)
My parents got an aquired citizenship by living in italy for a period of time. Is it possible for me to get citizenship too if i am over 18?
Does anyone know-if your ancestor signed a declaration of intent for US citizenship before their child was born (but became fully naturalized after they were born) does that disqualify the child?
My grandmother was naturalized in 1956 and reacquired her Italian citizenship in 1994. Does that mean I can still obtain my dual citizenship since she got hers back?
I think so. The line then starts with her and u gotta proof ur links from her to you.
In terms of name changes, what if the surname changed by just one vowel? Mustone in one generation became Mistone in the next. Would that be an issue? Great video, thank you!
My great grandfather and great grandmother both are from oliveto citra I believe . Very interested in finding documents and possible returning home.
Also a person should beable to acquire their duel citizenship no matter where they currently live from USA to Canada etc
Good day, my dad naturalized as an italian from the cisterna di latina comune in Italy in the year 2017, he died this year. To check if i am eligible, i want to ask if i stand a chance of applying for jure sanguinis. He wasent born in italy, he naturalised his birth certificate is registered in the comune where he resided for 10 years . Pls we are four siblings and children to the man. Pls am i eligible..he wasent born in italy he naturalised from his refugee status as a stateless man , and became an italian the year 2017..pls am i eligible?
My Grandmother (maternal) my Great grandparents (paternal) were born in Italy. Their parents were Italian as well. I have done the research.
The rest of my family are Italian American.
My sister did a DNA test at it told her she was 97% Italian.
I plan to retire in Italy as an italian American !
So glad I found this! Definitely subscribed. I have a question maybe you can answer. My great great grandfather immigrated over here in 1882. Through all the documents I have looked at in my ancestry it looks as if he never naturalized. In the 1940 census he was still listed as alien. My great grandfather was born here and I'm not sure if he would have naturalized. So far, I have not found anything about it.
My questions are these: if my ancestors never naturalized, what proof could I give of that fact for documents? Would my great grandfather have to naturalize if his father never did? I'm not seeing any documentation for him either.
What is the time frame to file at a Comune?
how do I get ahold of Marco ??
Marco@italiancitizenshipassistance.com
What if my great great grandfather was still a child when he became naturalized? His father was the one who immigrated with his family, but they were already born in Italy. He was only 5 years old. I imagine if any of them naturalized, it must have happened when he was still a minor. Would I still be eligible?
Yes
If my paternal great grandfather was born in Italy 1870 arrived in US 1892,my grandmother born in the US 1910 , her parents naturalized 1927 , do I qualify for Jure Sanguinis ?
What year was your father born? It would need to be after 1948 for a clean case, which seems unlikely for you based on a 1910 birthday. If it was before 1948 then you would have to go through that court order process they mentioned in the video.
When was your father born? If after 01/01/1948 then yes you qualify but if not apply and appeal when they decline. www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/emigration/31488
My kids 19 and 17 years old are italian. How can I apply for italian citizenship as their mother?
Please send us a message through our website italiancitizenshipassistance.com
We’d be happy to assist :)
Do you have Italian heritage?
I have for the past 5 or 6 years been gathering all the necessary information for my application for my Italian citicizenship to comply with Jure Sanguinis, along with legal help from individuals who do this sort of thing for a living. My appointment with the Italian Consulate in Miami was in May of 2019 at which time I went with the necessary fees and paperwork. I was told by the individual I dealt with in Miami that just because I did everything right an according to procedure, that it did not mean I was going to get my Italian citizenship. In a few months it will be a year since that time and I haven't heard a thing from them. If there anything you might be able to help me with to move this procedure along, I would be eternally grateful. Grazie, Geralomo. (Jerry)
They have up to two years by law. And they take it. There are many, many people doing the same. Especially right now given the Covid-19 situation, it will take longer. I hope it goes well for you, I'm prepping to do it in NY at the moment.
Rafael, I would like to see a talk about cases like mine, where my great-grandfather was an Italian Citizen jure sanguinis like us, born in Turkey and later immigrated to Venezuela.
Need more info to answer your question
Pock Clash The question would be as such: What would be the process of Italian citizenship JS where your Italian ancestor was born outside of Italy, but he was a recognized Italian citizen by birth right? And what would be the process of Italian citizenship JS if your ancestor was a naturalized Italian citizen?
@@Maxmouse15 Not clear. Was your last ancestor born in Italy alive after March 17 1861? I assume this would be your great great grandfather? If he moved abroad and was an Italian citizen at the time of your great grandfather's birth then he would have citizenship. If your great grandfather never gave up his Italian citizenship or naturalised after his child was born then his child (your grandfather or grandmother) would have Italian citizenship then if your grandfather or grandmother never gave up Italian citizenship they have given to their child (your mother or father) then if your mother or father never gave up citizenship then it is passed on to you.
Pock Clash That is exactly right. But, some consulates said you needed all the paperwork for your last ancestor born in Italy (GGGGF for me), even if you were just producing all transcriptions from Italy. Also, in Caracas they told my family they could not apply unless they could produce an inscription and not a transcription of birth. In my case I used my GGF’s transcription of birth in Italy, and produced a letter from his local Consulate saying he was an Italian citizen registered in their Consulate. The process is very different when you are searching for a birth certificate years after the birth of your ancestor not born in Italy, and including another country in the process.
@@Maxmouse15 you need to get the italian birth certificate of your GGF. During the process of cittizenship recognition Consulates send a Form to the italian comune where your italian ancestor born asking to inscribe the requester as a italian cittizen.
It very likely the comune where your GGGGF born could give you the birth certificate of your GGF
I'm Italian and my last name is Gianni so people always ask if I'm Italian
If my parents lost their Italian citizenship when they got their Canadian citizenship, then why did my parents continue to get those postcards notifying them of Italian elections for over 40 years?
@Legio XXI Rapax my parents became Canadian citizens in 1956. I wss born after that. My understanding is that the ability to retain their Italian citizenship did not start until the late 60's. They would have had to move to Italy again and re-apply for their Italian citizenship
Ford429 hi there. My husband is going through the same issue. The only difference is that his parents recovered the citizenship, but did not pass it to my husband. I think the lawyer does not know much about this matter.
What about 1912 rule?
Which guts can you please tell us the exact dates your telling us about this info. With the pandemic tell us how hard it's going to be Also why ?
applying for citizenship should be as easy as getting your passport. If you have all your documents. Why is it so slow and complicated
If they want us to come back why do they make it so long and difficult?
Wow that's great your rules about an immigrant from let's say Middle East etc who has a child in Italy didn't make that child Italian like here in USA which I think this law has been seriously abused ..
Ahh so the southern Italians were smarter than the northern Italians to go to America rather than Brazil or a South American country
Plenty of southern italians came to south america..
My wife,sister and cousin are interested in using your service. Please send contact info
Hello you can email us at info@italiancitizenshipassistance.com
Has anyone worked with IDC (Italian Dual Citizenship) or ICA (Italian Citizenship Assistance)? I would like to work with them but it seems like a lot of money. I want to make sure they are legit. Thank you!
I am working with ICA now. They're fantastic. Detailed, diligent, patient, and responsive. I would recommend them.
What are the Italians going to do about all the imposed immigrants invasion from Middle East a few years ago we didn't hear anything about what the Europeans did to protect all the country's in EU