This is a slice of heaven! Such great info. I've been trying to do mine for years but was overwhelmed. I'm only up to this video in my binge so excuse me if you've already talked about it in later episodes. But it would be fantastic to go over taxes with dual citizenship. Thanks again for creating these!
Interestingly enough my grandfather's mother Rosalie "Lillie" Passalaqua and her twin brother Phillip were born on the ship coming here to New Orleans from Sicily, Italy. Lillie married my great Grandfather Bernardo Cinquemani who was born in Chiusa Sclafani, Sicily, Italy. My greatgrandmothers parents were both born in Contessa Entellina Sicily, Italy but died in New Orleans. I've got find out if they became American citizens. Your channel is fantastic. What a great wealth of information you two are providing me and others.
Thank you Whitney 😁 Much appreciated! By the way here’s a link to our Italian Citizenship Podcast playlist which will have all the video podcasts in this series ruclips.net/p/PLPOJBJrNkbpJneO7OzIRE8bTaniY2njul
I went through all of this a couple of years ago (it's now 2024). It was expensive (I used a different company but, I don't know about price comparisons) but I got it a lot quicker than if I had just a jure sanguinis situation. I heard that the judge I had normally is a bit more of a hard-ass but I didn't have any problems with my case, once it was in the court system.
I have exact case 1. Great Grandparents never naturalized. Father was born in 1947, just months before the cutoff. Have seen copies of all the documents that I need. Just now getting all the certified copies and trying to put together the large chunk of Euros that it costs to hire an avvocato
No matter which way a person would pursue Italian Citizenship Please Explain about; 1. People who Adopt a Child INTO an Italian Family. 2. People Born into an Italian Family but Adopted Out. 3. A Person Born into an Italian Family Adopted Out who through doing DNA TESTS found their Birth Parents and or their Half Siblings and then learned about Italian Citizenship being a Birthright and they would like to be Recognized by Italy.
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Covid definitely has had an effect on the whole process. The NY consulate unfortunately has suspended citizenship cases. It would be interesting to see if this changes as more and more people get vaccinated.
Hi. My grandfather became a citizen in 1922 before my father was born in 1927. My grandmother became naturalized in 1946. My mothers father became a US citizen on 1923. My grandmother was born in the US when her family was living here temporarily until they went back to Italy around 1915. When they came back my grandmother met and married my grandfather. My mother was born in 1929. Would I have to use the 1948 rule?
In reference to the third category 1948 case involving the Cable Act of 1922, explained at 13:03, I have 2 very specific questions: 1) which date counts; the date of declaration of naturalisation by the husband or the actual date of naturalisation of the husband? 2)Assuming the latter, for the naturalisation of the wife to be considered involuntary, did it have to take place before January 01,1922 or before the passing of the able Act on sept. 22, 1922? I ask because my great grandfather declared his intention to naturalise his family in 1918 and was naturalised in February of 1922, which was technically before the cable Act came into effect.
@@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance Hello to you! Thanks so much for the quick reply and excellent video! This is high quality content indeed! Just keep on bein' you and keep up the good work!
This is interesting...what happened to women who maybe didn't know who the father was (for whatever reason)? Were their children citizens? Before this 1948 process, what did they do?
My husband's Great Grandfather was Itialian. He did not naturalize until after his Grandmother was born. He son (my husband's father) was born before 1948. We therefore would have to file a 1948 case. However, we were told that since my husband's mother and father never married that this could be a hick-up. What should we do?
In my case my grandfather's records were all available...except his birth record in Italy! Seems that a few years of birth records are missing...team in Italy even went to the commune and confirmed! So, we have to go through 2 females lines...one, the wife of my "missing" grandfather and the other, my mother's mother and grandfather (my great grandfather). It's weird, because all of my "missing grandfather's" siblings are all there, as well as his first wife who died. When records are completely missing, I'm thinking the preponderance of evidence must be considered if everything else is provided...including all the "missing grandfather's" documents except the actual birth record (like immigration records, non-existence as a US citizen, etc). Was notified in May that everything was being finally prepped for court...fingers crossed! My brother stupidly didn't want to join the case for a much lower fee, so his children have lost the chance, too. Their loss.
Hi everybody! Hopefully someone can help me here. I have a 1948 case and I am collecting the documents. Do I need to collect documents such as Birth or Death Certificate for spouses that are not part of the line of the family? For example, my grandma (the one born before 1948) is the one with Italian blood, will I need to get Birth or Death Certificate of my grandpa (her husband)? they both have passed away...
Would lineage from a great-grandfather to grandmother to father work and would 1948 apply? My great-grandfather was born in Italy, my grandmother was born in 1924 and my great-grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1926, and my father was born in the U.S. in 1950.
Great video, guys! Question: I was born and spent the first 30 years of my life in Brazil but currently I live in the USA and I naturalized as an American citizen. However, my immigrant Italian great grandparents immigrated to Brazil, so when I start applying for my Italian citizenship through the Italian courts (based on a 1948 situation) all my documents, with the exception of my great grandparents birth certificates, would be in Portuguese. Would ICA still be able to help me with my application (translations, certifications, etc, etc)?
So my Great Grandmother was born in the US to Italian Immigrants. She was born in the US before either of her parents were Naturalized. Would she be able to pass it to my Grandfather? And then to my parent and then to me? Thanks!
What if a Person wants to be Recognized as an Italian Citizen but one of their Parents or Grandparents didn't or Don't want to go through with the Process or if one or more of them are Deceased?
After the 1948 Case is Won and the Person is Recognized in the Commune of their Ancestor; will the Person Receive Any of the Documents that were Used, will the People in different Consulate Jurisdictions get the Judgment for themselves at the same time as the others that went through the Process with them, when the Person Receives Notification from Your Company that they are Recognized will they have to go to their Local Consulate for Anything?
@@dearscotty I understand that now... 7 months ago I was a "virgin" when it came to dual citizenship... I now have Marco as my 1948 lawyer, and things are progressing, albeit slowly, because of Covid..
Thanks for the information! My case is the following: My father was born in Chile in 1946, he is the second oldest of 6 other siblings. His mother's father was an Italian citizen from Sicilia and he never renounced to his citizenship. My father still lives in Chile and he is 74 now. He wanted to obtain the citizenship but the 1948 law stopped him from getting it. However, his 5 other siblings got it. Before his mother, my grandmother passed away. She went to the Italian consulate/embassy in Santiago, Chile and did all the documents so all her children (expect my father) could get it. I live here in AZ and I would like to know how I can get it. Should I get all the documents from Chile? My husband and I, would like to move in a couple of years to Europe and that would be very beneficial for us if we have the citizenship. Can you give me advice on this matter? How successful do you think a case like mine can be? Paola
Imagine if the poor judge is required to speak all the languages from people all over the world now applying for Italian citizenship... quite obvious you have to present your document in Italian 😁. Anyway another interesting video
I have 2 other Half Siblings that would want to go through a 1948 Case together. Each of have Children and I have 2 Grandchildren. I have contacted Your Company about going through a 1948 case with My Family Members. Our "LIRA" Last Italian Registered Ancestors would be Our Great Grandparents. Will the Cost be for My Half Siblings and Myself going back 3 Generations be the same as if Any one of Our Children were the ones to have Started the Process instead of the 3 of Us Half Siblings Starting it since they would be the ones starting the Process going back 4 Generations?
I prevailed in a 1948 case and frankly, it was an easier and quicker process than many people I know who went through the consulate.
Can I ask did you use this RUclipsrs service? And how much did you pay total
@@dustinbosse233 I did not. I used an attorney from Gaetano, Italy.
What documents are required and how do I obtain them? Thank you in advance.
@@amatod4 I don't know what you need but you can start your research here: www.myitalianfamily.com/apply-italian-citizenship/learn-if-you-qualify
@@christa333 I'll check it out. Thank you!
This is a slice of heaven! Such great info. I've been trying to do mine for years but was overwhelmed. I'm only up to this video in my binge so excuse me if you've already talked about it in later episodes. But it would be fantastic to go over taxes with dual citizenship. Thanks again for creating these!
Interestingly enough my grandfather's mother Rosalie "Lillie" Passalaqua and her twin brother Phillip were born on the ship coming here to New Orleans from Sicily, Italy. Lillie married my great Grandfather Bernardo Cinquemani who was born in Chiusa Sclafani, Sicily, Italy. My greatgrandmothers parents were both born in Contessa Entellina Sicily, Italy but died in New Orleans. I've got find out if they became American citizens. Your channel is fantastic. What a great wealth of information you two are providing me and others.
I’m totally putting this in the description box of my Italian citizenship video.
Thank you Whitney 😁
Much appreciated!
By the way here’s a link to our Italian Citizenship Podcast playlist which will have all the video podcasts in this series
ruclips.net/p/PLPOJBJrNkbpJneO7OzIRE8bTaniY2njul
Rafael- this is amazingly helpful. Thank you so much. anche Marco!
I went through all of this a couple of years ago (it's now 2024). It was expensive (I used a different company but, I don't know about price comparisons) but I got it a lot quicker than if I had just a jure sanguinis situation. I heard that the judge I had normally is a bit more of a hard-ass but I didn't have any problems with my case, once it was in the court system.
This information is SO helpful - grazie.
I have exact case 1. Great Grandparents never naturalized. Father was born in 1947, just months before the cutoff. Have seen copies of all the documents that I need. Just now getting all the certified copies and trying to put together the large chunk of Euros that it costs to hire an avvocato
Very good information really enjoying these episodes.
No matter which way a person would pursue Italian Citizenship Please Explain about; 1. People who Adopt a Child INTO an Italian Family. 2. People Born into an Italian Family but Adopted Out. 3. A Person Born into an Italian Family Adopted Out who through doing DNA TESTS found their Birth Parents and or their Half Siblings and then learned about Italian Citizenship being a Birthright and they would like to be Recognized by Italy.
Yes! I have this situation too.
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Could you do a video for updates to the current delays in the court systems due to COVID-19?
Covid definitely has had an effect on the whole process. The NY consulate unfortunately has suspended citizenship cases. It would be interesting to see if this changes as more and more people get vaccinated.
Hi. My grandfather became a citizen in 1922 before my father was born in 1927. My grandmother became naturalized in 1946.
My mothers father became a US citizen on 1923. My grandmother was born in the US when her family was living here temporarily until they went back to Italy around 1915. When they came back my grandmother met and married my grandfather. My mother was born in 1929. Would I have to use the 1948 rule?
In reference to the third category 1948 case involving the Cable Act of 1922, explained at 13:03, I have 2 very specific questions: 1) which date counts; the date of declaration of naturalisation by the husband or the actual date of naturalisation of the husband? 2)Assuming the latter, for the naturalisation of the wife to be considered involuntary, did it have to take place before January 01,1922 or before the passing of the able Act on sept. 22, 1922? I ask because my great grandfather declared his intention to naturalise his family in 1918 and was naturalised in February of 1922, which was technically before the cable Act came into effect.
Hello! Here are the answers 1) the date of actual naturalization 2) before the passing of the cable act
@@ItalianCitizenshipAssistance Hello to you! Thanks so much for the quick reply and excellent video! This is high quality content indeed! Just keep on bein' you and keep up the good work!
Marco, where is/are your office(s) located in the U.S. any on the West Coast? San Francisco, Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle?
This is interesting...what happened to women who maybe didn't know who the father was (for whatever reason)? Were their children citizens? Before this 1948 process, what did they do?
My husband's Great Grandfather was Itialian. He did not naturalize until after his Grandmother was born. He son (my husband's father) was born before 1948. We therefore would have to file a 1948 case. However, we were told that since my husband's mother and father never married that this could be a hick-up. What should we do?
In my case my grandfather's records were all available...except his birth record in Italy! Seems that a few years of birth records are missing...team in Italy even went to the commune and confirmed! So, we have to go through 2 females lines...one, the wife of my "missing" grandfather and the other, my mother's mother and grandfather (my great grandfather). It's weird, because all of my "missing grandfather's" siblings are all there, as well as his first wife who died. When records are completely missing, I'm thinking the preponderance of evidence must be considered if everything else is provided...including all the "missing grandfather's" documents except the actual birth record (like immigration records, non-existence as a US citizen, etc). Was notified in May that everything was being finally prepped for court...fingers crossed! My brother stupidly didn't want to join the case for a much lower fee, so his children have lost the chance, too. Their loss.
Hi everybody! Hopefully someone can help me here. I have a 1948 case and I am collecting the documents. Do I need to collect documents such as Birth or Death Certificate for spouses that are not part of the line of the family? For example, my grandma (the one born before 1948) is the one with Italian blood, will I need to get Birth or Death Certificate of my grandpa (her husband)? they both have passed away...
Did you ever find the answer to this? This applies to me as well and would be helpful to know now since I am very early in the process. Thanks!
Would lineage from a great-grandfather to grandmother to father work and would 1948 apply? My great-grandfather was born in Italy, my grandmother was born in 1924 and my great-grandfather became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1926, and my father was born in the U.S. in 1950.
Great video, guys!
Question: I was born and spent the first 30 years of my life in Brazil but currently I live in the USA and I naturalized as an American citizen. However, my immigrant Italian great grandparents immigrated to Brazil, so when I start applying for my Italian citizenship through the Italian courts (based on a 1948 situation) all my documents, with the exception of my great grandparents birth certificates, would be in Portuguese. Would ICA still be able to help me with my application (translations, certifications, etc, etc)?
I imagine maybe it would be helpful if you first translated the documents into English?
does jure sanguini have any cost of living financial requirements that need to be met?
The costs are only for the lawyer and legal fees. It's recognizing that you're already an unrecognized citizen, so it's not like immigration
My grandmother father was italian would we qualify thru my grandmother she was born in 1936
So my Great Grandmother was born in the US to Italian Immigrants. She was born in the US before either of her parents were Naturalized. Would she be able to pass it to my Grandfather? And then to my parent and then to me? Thanks!
Yes correct. As long as the documents support that.
If I've understood the law correctly, yes because she's getting it via a masculine ascendant.
What if a Person wants to be Recognized as an Italian Citizen but one of their Parents or Grandparents didn't or Don't want to go through with the Process or if one or more of them are Deceased?
After the 1948 Case is Won and the Person is Recognized in the Commune of their Ancestor; will the Person Receive Any of the Documents that were Used, will the People in different Consulate Jurisdictions get the Judgment for themselves at the same time as the others that went through the Process with them, when the Person Receives Notification from Your Company that they are Recognized will they have to go to their Local Consulate for Anything?
If I apply for a 1948 case, is my wife also entitled to become a citizen in the same petition??
I would guess no, because all the petitioners are fighting for citizenship to be recognized at birth
@@dearscotty I understand that now... 7 months ago I was a "virgin" when it came to dual citizenship... I now have Marco as my 1948 lawyer, and things are progressing, albeit slowly, because of Covid..
@@christopherboczkus989 Rad, I've signed up with ICA as well!
@@christopherboczkus989 so any news?
@@dearscotty how much was it? I tried to contact them but still have not received anything from them
Thanks for the information!
My case is the following: My father was born in Chile in 1946, he is the second oldest of 6 other siblings. His mother's father was an Italian citizen from Sicilia and he never renounced to his citizenship. My father still lives in Chile and he is 74 now. He wanted to obtain the citizenship but the 1948 law stopped him from getting it. However, his 5 other siblings got it. Before his mother, my grandmother passed away. She went to the Italian consulate/embassy in Santiago, Chile and did all the documents so all her children (expect my father) could get it.
I live here in AZ and I would like to know how I can get it. Should I get all the documents from Chile? My husband and I, would like to move in a couple of years to Europe and that would be very beneficial for us if we have the citizenship. Can you give me advice on this matter?
How successful do you think a case like mine can be?
Paola
www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/emigration/31488 Most if not all cases succeed
Imagine if the poor judge is required to speak all the languages from people all over the world now applying for Italian citizenship... quite obvious you have to present your document in Italian 😁. Anyway another interesting video
I have 2 other Half Siblings that would want to go through a 1948 Case together. Each of have Children and I have 2 Grandchildren.
I have contacted Your Company about going through a 1948 case with My Family Members.
Our "LIRA" Last Italian Registered Ancestors would be Our Great Grandparents.
Will the Cost be for My Half Siblings and Myself going back 3 Generations be the same as if Any one of Our Children were the ones to have Started the Process instead of the 3 of Us Half Siblings Starting it since they would be the ones starting the Process going back 4 Generations?