Why Sudden Sharp Pain in Hip Comes and Goes (and the FIX)
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Have hip pain that comes and goes? Learn why you get sudden sharp hip pain and exercises for chronic hip pain in this video.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro to Sudden sharp hip pains that come and go
00:24 Why do you get sudden sharp hip pain?
00:51 My own hip pain experience
02:16 Rest, Ice, Injections, Pills, Surgery (RIIPS) - the common treatments for hip pain
03:22 The real cause of hip pain
06:11 Will walking fix hip pain?
07:00 Is running or jogging good for hip pain?
08:14 Is lifting weights good for hip pain?
09:42 Practical steps and exercises for hip pain
15:32 Recap on sudden sharp hip pain
16:19 Outro/Helpful links
HELPFUL LINKS
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Matt Hsu's own battle with chronic pain from the age of 16 in his feet, knees, hips, back, shoulders, elbows, forearms, wrists, hands, and head gives him a uniquely thorough understanding of musculoskeletal pain, the ways in which it can undermine an entire life, and the mental and physical hurdles that keep people from getting out of it.
When not filming videos, he's working out in the living room, surfing, learning dance or gymnastics moves, or riding a bike with his son in tow.
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ABOUT THIS VIDEO
Sudden sharp pain in your hip can be scary and frustrating. Doctors will throw hip pain causes like "bursitis" and "arthritis" at you. But to fix your hip pain without surgery, you need to Always Think Muscles and learn exercises to fix hip pain. If you do the right exercises for your hip carefully and gradually progress them, you'll get stronger and relieve hip pain safely.
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Dude, the symptoms described are EXACTLY what I had. I wish it hadn't taken 18 months to come across your video. Within 2 weeks of doing the two exercises, I was 100% cured. Thank you so much! You gave me my life back!
WOW!! Update??
Update
I love your handle name 😉
@@robbie.sunshine update
Same here....4;45 into the video so haven't seen the exercises yet BUT I feel hope and that's good
After suffering from hip pain for the last couple of years that has steadily worsened, including so much pain sleeping at night that it was waking me up several times a night, I found this video about three weeks ago. After ONE DAY of doing these, I felt IMMEDIATE relief. And one day meant 5 reps each. That was all it took! I now do them nearly every day. I still have some hip pain, and pain in the groin, but it doesn’t wake me up at night anymore. Thank you thank you thank you!!!
I am a 74 year old woman who does workouts for seniors and thought I was flexible until sharp inner thigh pain keeps me up all night. Doctors didn't find anything wrong, but the pain persists. I found your videos on abductor stretch and started right away. Looking forward to sleep through the night. Thank you for addressing a condition so many are suffering from,
we are 2 peas in a p od - my problem started after switching from a complex at home moving pattern (garden, tree climbing and more) to doing a lot of hiking (very uniform and onesided) - we'll be back to moving well again :) - cheers from Austria!
@@friekek9683 Austria! How cool! 😊
Stay away from Dr's.
Too long talk😂
9:45 exercise 1
12:07 exercise 2
Thanks
@@nick2aim431 Saves the life story and dancing round the houses
3:22 onwards is pretty necessary information. Maybe it goes without saying, but we are here for a reason, so maybe not.
Thank you!
He takes time to address common cures that dont help. He skips over injections and surgery and directs you to another video. I wouldnt call it dancing around the kitchen when an expert/professional in his field decides to volunteer his expertise to frickin help you.
This just saved me from needless injections and an mri. I took a nasty wipe out surfing on our local reef. I did an involuntary Jean claude Van Damme split, cracked both hips and had groin injuries on both sides. It's been a week of rest, ice and ibuprofen.The left leg is good but the right side still hurt when walking or sitting. These exercises helped within 24hrs. Thank you very much. Now I have to deal with my shrinkage but that might be a whole different channel altogther!🤣
My sudden sharp hip pain turned out to be a fist-sized TUMOR right where the femoral artery/vein/nerve met, no joke. Apparently, it had been growing since I was a teen. This hip pain appeared in my early 60s, came out of nowhere. So painful, I couldn't walk, crawl, lay down- just murderous. It had nothing to do w/muscle, tendons, etc. Paramedics had to carry me out. The ER docs were almost useless until one decided to throw me in the CT where they saw the tumor. Then everything went downhill.
I tell you this to consider all options, not just issues you think related to musculature or connective tissues.
Thank you for sharing your experience and advice. I totally understand.
Your nip pain wasn't ordinary sorts like most people's are.
Thank you for your share🙏
Was there a lump or anything in that area?
@@MeltingRubberZ28 nope- never knew I had it until the CT scan.
You are quickly becoming my favorite go-to for instruction about my body! Precovid I was very active and fit for my age of 69. You're helping me get back to my former self! Thank you, keep up the super videos:)
Mine too...
Love him ,he is wonderful
Agree, precovid I was very active. but hanging out doing nothing but lying avout lost my muscle tone, plus the addition of a med that has weight gain, fluid retention, severe depression and a long list of other horrific side effects made me lose myself. Severe hip pain has further hobbled the recovery of myself. So thank you for this yt channel.
I have been having sharp pains in my right hip on and off for about a year. I have been doing your exercises for about a week now, and I can already feel an improvement. I did the excercises on both legs, and the right leg/hip was measurable weaker than the left. So strengthening the weak leg/hip made sense.
It helped, so I guess that I owe you a like and a comment. Thank you.
What kind of exercises did you do ???? My right hip is weak.
@@debbiec6216 Please see exercise 1 - around the 9.44-ish mark.
My right hip pain began with walking up hills and progressed from there. After doing one set of these two exercises, I can feel a difference. I will continue these exercises and rebuild my strength. Thank you so much for a simple solution presented with a delightful since of humor. Again, thank you! I look forward to your other videos.
I started my first exercises with you yesterday, and today my hips and neck already feel better. It's amazing! As a doctoral student, I spend so much time typing at the computer that it appears my muscles have been getting weak even though I work a lot in my yard. Now, I am going to include your videos as part of my daily exercise. You are so helpful!
No wonder I didn't have this pain until I stopped doing yoga a year and a half ago!!! Two weeks ago I decided to do yoga at home, and really saw how much my muscles had atrophied and have been very slowly gaining muscle strength back, but still was having pain. Now here is your video, that gives me the reason behind the pain and what to do about it. Thank you, THANK YOU!!!
Thanks so much! Getting lost in the reason for the pain I was getting no where. Your advice to just focus on muscles with these exercises has brought me closer to being pain free then anything.
I had this issue. I was sent to pt which didn’t help, then to orthopedic dr. He ordered an mri which showed the minor arthritis and cysts. Fortunately he was honest and told me to keep exercising. I am now working to build strength. Thanks for this video!
Hello mate. I want to appreciate you for these two experiences. I have had hip impingement for last two years, tried phisiyo and did exercises I felt minor improvement. Once I tried these two exercises my hip pain faded away and I don’t feel pain anymore. I bought FIX fix. But this particular exercises changed everything. I am so grateful. Keep up the good work. 👌
My word, another good one! I’m starting to feel you’ve got a hidden camera following me and capturing exactly what I need!
Thanks for your work.
You’re an angel for posting such amazing content to help people. Such informed and helpful tips.
FINALLY! I have been looking for answers to the issue you address here for SEVERAL years. And YOU have the answers bang on, man! I stopped taking pain reliever pills and creams because they did not even come close to giving relief!
Always excellent content from this channel. Thank you Matt!
Wow thank you. I have been suffering with sharp hip pain for years!. Will do these exercises along with the others you have recommended. Love your channel.
AMAZING VIDEO! To the point, easy to digest, extremely informative, and no frills ❤🎉 my hips feel better already.
So logical and instructive! Love the humor as well! Thank you for your channel. Hip exercises begin today!
For all the people commenting down below about sharp hip pain, there is a very good chance you have osteoarthritis of the hip, where some of the cartilage has worn away on the femur and also the socket of the joint, resulting in a sharp pain when the bone of the femur rubs against the bone of the socket. You may also have bone spurs on the femur which is tearing into the cartilage on the socket. Instead of assuming you have muscle problems, get x-rays done of your hip joints. Also, get ultrasound done on your hip joints which will show up any bone spurs, and you may be surprised to find out that the femur or ball is no longer round, but has hills and valleys in it from the bone spurs and bone rubbing on bone.
Well done! This is a well reasoned out and a solid presentation of what we are missing out on when dealing with the hip leg back physiology. Motion, strength, balance, Pain management, ........Thanks for working at this!
I’m a triathlete and I’ve been dealing with hip/ glute pain for a while. Despite how much rest and recovery I allowed between workouts the pain came back again and again.
I started doing this exercises a month ago and I definitely can tell the difference! Thank you so much for sharing this!
Soccer player here. I feel the same symptoms.
I am a runner and struggling with the same issue, it's so frustrating.
I'm a ballroom dancer and get this all the time! I figured my inner thigh muscles were strong enough, but the rest of that area is probably just way stronger and unbalances it. Definitely going to work on this since I deal with enough chronic pain as it is!
After 16 years of limping due to a shar pain in the left hip I found a sort of miracle exercise: grasping a foot stool, kneel down fully pushing ones hips down and back to get the hip forward and stand back up leaning on the stool. Two reasons its broadly applicable to the general public: 1, most people do not get off the floor often and need practice and exercise at that; 2, forward hip position is one of the most crucial keys to sitting posture and habitual sitting in chairs tends to destroy that.
I love how you explain why and what it is all about!
Amazing. I've been in bed for almost 3 days. I tried every stretch, excersice, medication without any relief, so I was hesitant thinking that the exercise would be painful, but it stops the pain right away when I'm doing the excercice.
Great video, from the explanation to the exercises. It took me about two years to figure out that the issue with my hip had a lot more to do with muscles than with bone. These exercises look right on target, I've also found stabilization exercises help my bad hip enormously too. Thanks for your videos on hips, you've been on target for me so far.
Omg. I am only 3 minutes in...and you are so on point. I want to cry with happiness!
Thank you. This video is the perfect compliment to the instructions my trainer gave me. You me gave a perfect visual on the hip rotation exercise. 👍
As good a breakdown of the hip problems as you'll ever get!!
Thank you for posting this in such detail with these simple and easy to-apply solutions.
I LOVE that this video addresses an issue that may be deeper/more complex than simply calling a painful hip a labral tear. As an active individual I didn’t understand what could be the root of my pain and dreaded a labrum tear diagnosis. Thank you for not only giving an introduction and explanation, but also providing exercises to target the problem.
Those two exercises for full hip rotation are already relieving my mysterious, chronic hip pain. Biking, playing drums, jogging, squatting--too much movement for me in only one plane. Thinking of a similar joint, imagine if I only moved my shoulder back and forth and never out to the side or inward. That's essentially what I've doing to my poor hips for such a long time. Very logical, simple and powerful stuff. Thank you so much!!
The kick drum really caused me a lot of pain as I got older.
@@djdoolittle1315 I’m curious if you found any exercises or movements relieving for your hip pain from playing the kick drum.
As a busy drummer and a health professional, I can advise you strongly to raise your drum seat up so that your thigh bone is pointing slightly downwards. This means the angle of the hip is such that the hip joint is higher than the knee joint. This essentially opens up the hip a little and reduces the impingement we often see with drummers and especially with the bass drum side leg/hip. Chronic flexure during drumming will cause a slight increase in bone mass near where the thigh bone comes close to the labrum . As a result this will cause chronic inflammation and potentially damage your labrum, both which also may cause a cyst to form causing further discomfort and pain.
This is a common drummer injury .. do yourself a favor and raise your seat till your knee Height is below your hip joint level. Use a wider throne and preferably one with a lower back support. This helped me immensely and helped me avoid surgery. Good luck bro
@@djdoolittle1315
As a busy drummer and a health professional, I can advise you strongly to raise your drum seat up so that your thigh bone is pointing slightly downwards. This means the angle of the hip is such that the hip joint is higher than the knee joint. This essentially opens up the hip a little and reduces the impingement we often see with drummers and especially with the bass drum side leg/hip. Chronic flexure during drumming will cause a slight increase in bone mass near where the thigh bone comes close to the labrum . As a result this will cause chronic inflammation and potentially damage your labrum, both which also may cause a cyst to form causing further discomfort and pain.
This is a common drummer injury .. do yourself a favor and raise your seat till your knee Height is below your hip joint level. Use a wider throne and preferably one with a lower back support. This helped me immensely and helped me avoid surgery. Good luck bro
@@Taleb1160 Thank you SO much for your response. Very wise and helpful. A couple follow-up questions if you don't mind:
What brand of drum stool do you use?
Curious if you've played around with heel down on the kcik drum and if that has provided relief?
Wow!! I got woken up at 6 am with a sudden outer rear/hip pain and have been trying to find anything to help at all. I could barely walk to the bathroom! These stretches lessened the pain about halfway immediately! Subscribing!
Most informative demo I've seen and thank you for mentioning to use available range of motion when starting these stretches a very key point 👍 thank you so much
Started to do these. Best advice for me was to do more exercise on my weak side, and even if I barely get my leg off the ground on exercise number one don't let back tip, keep straight. This exercise used to make me worse, because I was doing it with bad form, and has now has made me much better. 75 years old, small scoliosis, huge lordosis, and doc advised no surgery as pelvis is fused to spine at S3-tailbone. This is helping!!
I’m so lucky to have discovered this video, I had real trouble with right sided groin pain and just knew exercise 2 would be hell, oh boy was I right. But, you know what!? The range of motion increased massively just after a couple of sets. Still a long way to go but can see this being such a helpful tool. Thank you so much!!
Matt @uprighthealth, I have watched a ton of videos after being diagnosed with right inner hip arthritis. Yours is the first one I've seen that emphasizes range of motion. Your movements in this video include way more range of motion than any of the others I have watched. And those others have not been that effective for a year now. I'm going to give yours a try in this video because of the range of motion aspect. Thank you for publishing this video, Matt!
Good Morning Matt. It is morning, not that it matters to me as I've been awake all night with pain. In my efforts to find anything to relieve this pain enough to get some sleep I came across your channel. I've been in pain for decades and lately it's become unbearable. I've had plenty of advice from friends, family, professionals, and complete strangers and it all points to knee replacement surgery. I say to them "Why stop at my knees when all other parts of me hurt just as much if not more?"
It's my birthday today (73) and my birthday wish came true. I finally found someone who is aligned with what I've thought for years but didn't know what to do about it. I may have to get surgery but I want to try some other methods first starting with your channel. Now that I've subscribed I'll begin today.
Cheers from Canada 🖐🙂
@curiousCanuck wishing you much success with self healing.
@@Myresha100 Thank you. 🙂
@curiouscanuck how is it going after 3 months?
@@psofia164 yah we want answers!
Check to see if your feet are whack. My arches collapsing in pregnancy gave me terrible back pain.
Thank You So Much I’ll give it a try starting right now. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Right here, right now, as of this moment - you are my hero! I did ONE SET (5 reps each side as you describe) of the first exercise and ONLY the first exercise ~2 hours ago and........75% of the past three straight months of intermittent needling pain in my right hip is gone (I cycled to the gym and did legs today after doing those movements and my workout was also much better than it normally is). This regimen is now included in my list of maintenance/strengthening exercises - looking forward to see how much actual, long-term improvements I can achieve.
THANK YOU!!!!
Happy to help!
@@Uprighthealth Have had three years of right upper buttock pain when I bend over to pick something up, then it really hits when I stand up. Its in one distinct spot every time. MRI of pelvis/SI was negative. So no one knows whats going on. I need to exercise more.
You have given me hope! Numerous visits to physical therapist and chiropractor have not given results. Thank you.
Great info, thanks for sharing. Lots of things I hadn't thought about. Will be implementing this with my son whose quite flexible, but still got injured running cross country.
Great video, thanks!
wow, thank you. I kept telling my ortho that I thought it was just alignment. they wanted to replace my hip. so grateful i found u.
Thank you so much! For years, I’ve had major hip pain that starting cause low back pain. Never occurred to me that my hips were weak. A week of doing targeted moves and I feel so much better!
This is amazing, literally have the exact same issues as you i'am 21 now only a few days in and already feeling a massive difference
This is the first time I finally understand what was causing the groin pain I randomly felt, along with my knee pain. I've been going to P. T. to strengthen my leg and hip muscles because I'd stopped walking due to knee and groin pain, and a fear of injury or a fall while walking. Since I've started stretching my muscles, I have less pain in both my knee and my groin, and better mobility/stability. Thank you for helping me understand why my groin pain was happening. I'm saving this video for sure.
this is exactly what i feel. 15 years of doing muay thai (dealing with weird hip / groin pain) and finally found this video. thank you
Subscribed!!! Love how you explain everything and your exercises as well
Wonderful presentation. Thank you!
I have researched the “big medical” websites (essentially stuck in western medicine: “ take meds and rest”) for weeks. I came across your RUclips channel and watched this video, saved it, smashed the like and bell icon. This is the gold standard of advice for all of us hip pain sufferers. I can’t Thank You enough.
Yes! Thanks for this video! I have this sharp groin/hip pain and plantar fasciitis (for like 3 years) I'm so glad I found your channel!
I’m soo happy I can across this because the video before this one was saying I might need surgery!! I swear I felt immediate relief when I did these exercises as you were explaining them 🥰
This is the best video I have seen, complete informative
I hope this helps me so I can get back into bowling without pain on my left hip muscles. Thanks for these videos Matt. They really do help me.
Started these exercises the 1st day I saw this video what a relief from the pain. Been doing this 3x day awesome results can't believe the pain relief. Now I can sleep and not have to worry if I needed surgery, thank you!
Thank you! Extremely helpful. I am one of those folks who started experiencing the sharp pain and was told I have early arthritis. Doing these exercises now :) Appreciate you!
I really appreciate you for helping us with this wonderful information and thank you for being so sincere in sharing with all of us who need the help. Much success to you in your endeavors.
Thank you VERY much, Angella!! Really appreciate the kind words and the support!
Your videos and approach are a god-send!
Well, I started your exercises for the hip, doing them in the morning after waking. The pain intensified to a point I thought my head was going to blow off my shoulders... but then...... this morning I was at the kitchen counter, and the pain was bad I was struggling to make coffee, and I simply lifted my left leg from the knee allowing my hip to fall into place... and it popped, GLORY! The intense torque dissipated immediately. It still feels weak and wobbly... but have mercy, the pain has lessened. For love and mercy, THANK YOU! I am subscribed!
Omg i loved this video I searched the whole youtube but couldn't find like yours
thank you my man
Thank you for this, it really helps to have a full perspective on this issue.
I started getting hip pain - soft mattress, too much sitting and the one activity I love playing hockey became a source of sharp pain as it taxed these weakened muscles.
Now I have a game plan, thanks!
After recently walking extensively every day on a 10 day holiday, I started to suffer from extremely very sore outer hip pains, and started to suffer from restless legs at night too. I looked up your channel, as I remembered you always explain things very clearly. Thankfully I've found you, and it all makes perfect sense regarding the little mussel usage surrounding the hips, as I was walking a minimum of 6 to 8 miles a day! I am going to gentle start these exercises and hopefully I will see some relief. Thank you Upright Health. (plus you make your clips really interesting and fun to watch)
For me it was piriformis syndrome making me think sciatic nerve. My butt would hurt after a move then go away, then come back, then go away again. This was driving me crazy. My doctor wanted to medicate, NO! Then I found this channel and with Matt's wisdom and sharing of knowledge, I am able to correct years of bad posture habits and now my intermittent butt pain has almost diminished completely. There is a reason humans were meant to squat all their lives.
Can you recommend any specific excersice?
@@ronnyschimmeck7338 I’m not the one whom you asked but: Clamshell exercises and strengthening my core are what cured my piriformis syndrome. I learned them from my physical therapist, but there are a lot of helpful videos on RUclips too!
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I'm only a third of the way through this video and already am feeling very benefitted by it! Really helpfully affirms my previous intuitive sense (in which I had yet to develop confidence) that my hip pain is repelled by engaging my adductors in resistance training. Now I know where to focus. Thanks so much!!
You are such a gifted teacher !! Handsome, bright and funny too .. thank you for your great videos ❤️
Im 67 and a physiotherapist. I got sudden sharp hip pain a month ago and have been hobbling around trying to open up my hip, go walking with poles. Ive been almost unable to straighten up properly until I have warmed up a little and it hurts most of the night and is getting hard to reach my feet as it hurts. today I went to the pool and did the first exercise in the water before seeing this video. my hip felt better- so when I saw the video I knew you were onto something. Ive had a go and although my range is limited compared to yours it already feels little better. Im going to keep doing your exercises and go skiing next week. Thanks so much- you present really well- funny and sound sense. Good job.
In an attempt to improve my hip mobility I had overstretched in a manner similar to the presenter , I took on board his take on the problem - it made perfect sense , so I did the exercises he demonstrated , they worked really well and I will continue them, thanks.
This video is FOR ME! Thank you.
Echoing others statements. Pre-covid I was active. Lately I've had pain in my hips and glutes. This level of engagement including explanation and demonstration is respectful and extremely helpful. Thank you!!
Just discovered your channel and watched several videos so far. This one resonates with me. Being told that rest is the solution to issues that are caused by a sedentary lifestyle just keeps people trapped in a cycle and it's disappointing that it's the most common answer doctors give. I wish physiotherapy was more accessible so people could get help from experts in these issues instead of a doctor who had just a crash course on joint pain many years ago.
you are a genius! i love you did these for about a week and feel better already !
All I have to say is YOU ARE SPOT ON!! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
your ankle Dorsiflexion and Knee VMO videos have really helped me, so am excited to try these exercises!
I have been so discouraged until i saw this. I am going to try this very excited to see if this does help. Thanks
I started feel the left hip pain a year ago, Dr. gave me injection and rest for sooooo long , no jogging running climbing , but the left hip pain is still there, and the right said hip pain just started. thank you so much for the videos and I will start to the 2 exercises you showed , I will give you update in the future if it kills my hip pain, appreciated you very much ahead of time .
that first one is brilliant, I could feel the weakness areas straight away, thanks.
Awesome information
Thank you!
Thank you for these!!! Happy I found you!
Brilliant video,thank you!
Thank you.I do this, and I'm so glad to see that you do as well 😊😊
I just accidentally watched this video, I love it, you explain so well and it is easy for me to understand. Thank you so so much. I am sure I will get a lot of benefits from this video.👍👍
OMG....going through this!!! Video so helpful!!! Thought no one could understand what I'm experiencing
This helped a lot. I strained my obturador externus way back in 2012 running and it flares up a lot when I run, but I have tight hips and weak abs from sitting so much. The first exercise felt like a workout without any added weight. I guess I tend to work on the inner part where I got hurt instead of the outside as much. Thank you so much! I’m going to start doing these every day to help combat my sitting so much.
Thank you for this information. It makes so much sense.
Thank you for the fabulous instruction. I especially like that you give good non-examples: do this, not this. Very helpful, thank you so much! I had a pain free afternoon yesterday after trying these exercises.
Wow, I so wish you had been around before I fell for the RIIPS! My diagnosis was Labrum Tear and yes, I got the surgery. Well… you guessed it, the pain is back again but thanks to you I have the option of a new and more sustainable approach to my groin pain.
Thanks for the demonstration of stretching the muscles on the inner thighs. I really needed this.
Absolutely brilliant video, totally agree with your thoughts on muscle imbalance. Much gratitide to you.
So glad to find your channel
Awesome video! I will start doing the exercises u shared!
Thanks for the encouragement. I'll try that.
Totally agree with this approach and diagnosis! Thank you!
Definitely take it easy at first, you'll probably want to start out like he says with just one rep for the first few days. My husband overdid it and he was in a lot of pain for a few days until he started over again and kept it light at first. It's been a couple of weeks and he says he's never felt better and can walk and move around without pain. Amazing since he's had that issue for a few years and has been to 3 physical therapist who he's thinking overworked his groin and hip muscles with hard exercises. Thank you thank you so much!!
Good, better, best! You always hit me where I live. Thank you!!
Thank you sir. This is what I was looking for.
I'm going to be doing these workouts for the next few weeks, for starters.
Thanks Matt I will try it ..so grateful