Which BSD is right for you?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2023
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There are 4 main BSD variants, they all concentrate on different aspects. Which one is right for you?
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What you forgot about OpenBSD is that this project is what gave us OpenSSH, sudo/doas, LibreSSL, PF Firewall, and so on. :)
Not to mention all the encryption ciphers.
doas, yes. sudo, no. sudo (pronounced sue-due according to its inventor, Bob Coggeshall and Cliff Spencer) preceeds OpenBSD by well over a decade and is just a modification of the su command that was in version 1 of AT&T unix. It was first publicly posted to Usenet on Dec 15, 1985.
@@liquidmobius I know it's pronounced sue-due, but I don't care. It rhymes with sumo to me
@@garlottos Yeah maybe if I used su for for 5 years and then su do came out I'd say sue due. I learned the sudo command without even knowing it meant "do as su" so didn't have the pronunciation context so now it's sudough forever
@@liquidmobius Now, what exactly is OpenBSD?
Thanks for the video! I just have few things to add:
Both NetBSD and FreeBSD split from 386BSD, and two groups from the start had different goals - portability / good 386 kernel.
NetBSD was first to split over 386BSD "Unoffical Patch Kit".
Folks that were unhappy with NetBSD people still supporting Bill Jolitz from BSDi formed FreeBSD.
Theo split later from NetBSD over scsi drivers patch fiasco and founded OpenBSD; security is most important thing for OpenBSD folks.
Dillon created DragonFlyBSD from FreeBSD 4.8 code in 2003. Matthew Dillon was formerly a part of the FreeBSD community. Dillon disagreed with FreeBSD 5's approach to SMF. Also, DragonFlyBSD pays much attention on working well in multi processor environments.
Personally, I'm a FreeBSD user :D
BSD = Best Suited Distribution
I love how consistent NetBSD is across a wide range of hardware... it consistently doesn't work properly on anything you try to install it on.
I recently start to use BSD to learn a new and growing system.
I started with NomadBSD to understand but ended on FreeBSD to have the same will of Debian on Linux. Stability, a lot of packages and flexibility of use.
I'm loving and now is my second System on my daily notebook.
If you aren’t a gamer OpenBSD is the perfect operating system
Thanks for this video. Great info for a non Bsd-er interested in the topic.
I love FreeBSD, dragonfly is nice as a desktop as well. It always makes me laugh that the security focused one it labeled “open”
Yeah I always thought that's about OpenBSD too.
FreeBSD and OpenBSD are my favorites. I have two x86 machines on OpenBSD and a bakers dozen running FreeBSD. I'm only just getting started converting my machines to BSD.
DragonflyBSD was forked from FreeBSD 4 in part due to Matt Dillon not liking the multiprocessor support direction & priorities chosen on FreeBSD. Multiprocessor performance, architecture & design was definitely one of the reasons for the split.
I run FreeBSD for my storage server and for my virtualization. It's been rock solid. I use OpenBSD for my desktop/laptop and a lot of web servers, router. Healthy blend of the 2
Does GPU passthrough work on Freebsd?
@@brandonphilander661 Not sure. I haven't tried so I haven't cared to look
I use FreeBSD on most of my systems and a NetBSD on my Amiga 1200 :)
Thinking about using OpenBSD for my firewall which is now running OPNsense (FreeBSD).
Does openbsd have a web ui like opnsense?
@@rishirajsaikia1323 I don't think it has one, but I have to try it out yet.
The amiga 1200 has an MMU??
@@telesniper2 No, but with an accelerator card it can have one.
@@leonmerts702 Isn't it pretty crippled for running unix then?
Can't wait to try Nomad, Midnight and Ghost BSD.
Well, on an Intel i7 7700 PC I'm using FreeBSD 13.2 as a daily driver. setting up an HP Folio laptop with FreeBSD 14 as a suppliment daily driver, older Pentium workstation as a file/print/general server, Macintosh Quadra 800 with a 68040 CPU running NetBSD 9.2 as a play around server. It actually runs X11 and Dillo browser. It also is a host for a MUD server I can log into from an Atari 800XL. I have an old HP NetBook running NetBSD 9.2 as well. I run my experiments on here before I do it on the Quadra because that is very slow.
GhostBSD automates desktop setup. It's not an official fork, but might be useful for beginners. The system even found and installed my Toshiba wifi.
As far as I understand, GhostBSD isnt a fork, but a distrobution, because ot builds on top of FreeBSD :)
@@Felix-ve9hs Isn't the distribution worth mentioning? I used FreeBSD and now I am currently using GhostBSD: easier to install and connect to devices.
Just downloaded GhostBSD and installed it. Is the Michael Lucas book still a good one to use? So far the only thing that I’ve found is I can’t get “Incognito” mode in Firefox to kick in like I did with the other OS. 🤓
I got incognito with control-shift-P -- it might or might not work based on how you installed.
@@stevejohnson1321 Hey Steve, yep I was able to get incognito mode to work but I had to start a regular Firefox window first. I guess I was trying to get it to work like it does on my Windows install. On that, there was an option to have an extra incognito button on the desktop. You know, I just got this installed last night... I’ll probably figure it out later. What knocks me out is how much faster and efficient this BSD install is. Wow❗️Kicks butt on Windows and Linux... ❗️
Hey Gary -- this one was quite interesting as I'd not heard of Dragonfly BSD before this. If you ever get around to looking at Hammer2, let us know what you think. ZFS was a big game-changer for me, so I'd be interested in how you think the HAMMER2 feature set compares, including ease of administration. Thanks for another good video!
Hello, Gary. I've been enjoying your videos for some while now, and thought finally to comment upon this one, with a couple of ancillary thoughts to add. My apologies for the so-called "long-form" writing, but it is what I am known for, and what, being ancient, I grew up learning and loving. So, firstly, thank you for this video. I think it immensely helpful to any viewers; but let us say especially to folks such as I, who use linux, and have for nearly three decades now. I have nothing against BSD, and in fact, have much to admire it for, but at the time I adopted linux, due to "political" and economic issues, either BSD was not ready for me (and especially my teacher wife's work and home desktops), or we were not ready for BSD, fair play. I want to experiment with many BSD's, especially now, perhaps, that the corporate side of linux developers has been so controversial, and by my lights, so wrong-headed. Of the major branches of linux, these shenanigans (my view) have essentially reduced my choices of major linux systems, or those based on the mother systems, by an alarming 40% to 60%, depending on how one demarcates those boundaries. So I well behooves me to discover whether at this point in time/space, any or many BSD's would suffice should I need, unlikely, but as Paddington Bear says, "Things happen.", to replace my linux systems with elsewise.
I note you did not cover ghostbsd, and of course, I understand that it is, or seems to me that it is, FreeBSD with a more beginner friendly gui set up. Perhaps a follow up video some time from you on the history of BSD's which have tried, past and present, to make BSD more desktop/gui accessible?
Now, on a point of personal privilege. A few videos ago, you spoke movingly of your recent travails regarding family health matters, and what the author Dan Jenkins called "life its own self", one may say. I thought I'd send you a virtual hug, not being a huggy type guy myself, but in the circumstance, to let you know that merely because the cluster of crises which had you missing a video has seemingly (dea volente and the crick don't rise) abated a bit, doesn''t mean we listeners/viewers have forgotten how hard a time you have had. A heartfelt hope that things are as good as can be got for you and your wife and family--and that when things become less so, that you manage to persevere with the talents and aplomb you seem to possess. We care out here, and silent or not, you remain close in mind and close in heart. Please know this, friend.
And finally, bringing it all back home (yes, I like Dylan, but so does the Nobel committee, lol) to software, I would like to suggest a topic to you. I should be delighted if you made a video addressed to any of us who did wish, for either economic, political, OR simply curiosity reasons (or, hell, because BSD is meretorious) to switch over from linux to BSD. I know you've addressed some of the differences benefits, benefits to, and impediments to such conversions in the past. I'm thinking of a more nuanced video, something that might explain to us linux users just what we'd be getting if we changed--or had to change--in terms of both benefits and difficulties--and a sort of road map as to how to make that change over. It sounds exhaustive, but in fact, you could address this in anything from one overview video, to several dedicated tutorials, as your whim dictated, or your viewers dictated, perhaps. And, Gary, thank you for your agnostic videos; it is immeasurably helpful to hear a sensible view of all the BSDs here, sir.
Take care, and take chances, too. -- Steve S.
A video on FreeBSD and Risc-V will be a nice topic...
Dragonfly was from the Ex-Amiga dev, right? I think a lot of his kernel multithread ideas are in the main kernel now. Not sure if Hammer will end up being widely adopted, although I applaud the pushing forward of things.
When I was young, I used to compile Gentoo and made sure nothing broke. Now I'm a man, I set up a FreeBSD build with poudriere, and go to bed right on time.
The one with proper wifi and bluetooth support. That one.
You could explore and the other unix os's i.e Solaris and Open Indiana
also midnight bsd but i dislike how the dev hates RMS
there is also Haiku but this is not meant to be BSD or Unix although some claim it is Unix Like which might be but not so close as Solaris or BSD
IMO FreeBSD is the gateway to the others since it’s more general and stable. I feel that all other BSD are well support in additional to their focus area. Why not try them all, they all have something to offer
Agreed. FreeBSD got me hooked and now I'm primarily an OpenBSD user. But I don't plan on dropping the handful of FreeBSD servers I have
I know you didn't cover GhostBSD here but that's not one of the major ones. I started with that a month ago and last night, I decided to switch over to FreeBSD. Love it so far. I just wish my Elgato Stream Deck XL would work with it.
I'm trying to install FreeBSD 10.3 or 11 on my older computer because the video card needs nvidia 304 drivers and xorg-server 1.19 or earlier.
But the installers always fail and can't connect to the FreeBSD repositories to download files.
Anyone know what's going on or what I can do??
I feel like if my dad was into computer nerding out he would follow you lol. Old finds old I've seen him browsing.
Not to tease you on that, was interested in what the heck netbsd was since i only heard about openBSD and freeBSD. I find the distinctions confusing since netbsd sounds like it'd be more networking based but if it's more compatible with hardware? I suppose if you had some obscure piece of legacy tech laying around for a server that makes sense because most would presumably be horribly vulnerable on OS's from their eras on the internet. I will likely not be using any BSD any time soon, but i do hope it is all secure because of careful contribution/development and not security by obscurity though because that sounds cool to have around.
Is Free-BSD right for PfSense Firewall? VM or Hardware Install - same for OpnSense.
MacOS is kinda BSD
I would like to see virtualization on freeBSD. Currently I run Arch linux for server and desktops. On desktops I'm surprised that firefox can take down my pc. I have also seen virtual guest bring down the host. Neither one of these situations should happen.
The BSD that's right for me is the BSD with the lowest requirements. Anything that works well on 32mb RAM.
FreeBSD 14.1 won't open x11 on my brand new GMKtek K8 with 780M graphics. rtw88 WiFi driver would associate on 14.1-release, but won't on 14.1-stable. I have NEVER had audio out of HDMI on my Intel i3,i7 systems. None of these issues appear with Mint or Neon.
theres a PCBSD version too
✊ BSD
Double-Free...BSD?
netbsd=we have a working serial port=architecture supported tbh I hardly find any pro over other linuxes or bsds where netbsd would even stand out
So Linux is not a "pure" Unix, but FreeBSD arguably is. I'm using GhostBSD for a few months now, it feels good. I have been a Linux user since 2016.
The lost opportunity of actually showing the toaster running NetBSD when you said it could probably run on a toaster :P
You forgot to mention that OpenBSD was forked from NetBSD.
I'm just trying to figure out why Net and FreeBSD take up so much memory. Net base install with no services running burns 850MB in the cli, 1.6GB xfce. Same with Free. Compare that with OpenBSD which is only 35MB base install cli and ~200MB xfce. I had boot problems on Net. Would boot half the time just fine, other half would freeze. Still need to mess around with bootmanager though to see if I can fix it, but I'm hoping when Net10 is released it'll be fixed. I think the medal definitely has to go to OpenBSD for the security.
Hmm that’s weird. I just tried FreeBSD and base install for me was around 60MB and around 500MB with hyprland.
@@emptydata-xf7ps Weird indeed
Look at freebsd on a raspberry pi 4?
Yes, I'm not too sure on this but if you can find out wether BSD is supported on ARM CPU's you should be good to go. Graphics and sound may be an issue but i'm sure someones figured it out somewhere on Google. I recommend Gnome on the Raspberry-Pi 4 as that's what Raspbian is based off of. Good luck!
@@megatronskneecap Raspbian is no longer considered the de facto OS for the Raspberry Pi, they have split and are not calling it "Raspberry Pi OS". Additionally, they are not using GNOME but PIXEL which is a custom mix of XFCE and lxqt/lxde components focusing on a lightweight experience. It does however LOOK signifiicantly like the GNOME/MATE UI/UX, however it's different. Not trying to be overly pedantic but your post is a little dated and people looking at Raspberry Pi stuff tend to be newer to linux!
nah i am an arch guy.
macOS is technically BSD 🌚
neither, I use linux
For most people, the Windows BSD.
freeBSD is crap in terms of hardware support, openBSD have much better hardware support. my 3-4 years old wifi card is not working on freebsd. Openbsd is much better in my opinion and have often updated packages and not too many like on freebsd but al of them are recent versions. X11 on openbsd is aslo patched/modified for security
MacOS
I thought DragonFly BSD was a distro based on another BSD, and not a BSD in itself. Oh well, learn something new...
shoots about BSD and uses Windows.
If you watch my videos you will see that I clearly advocate using what is right for you.
Windows is fine if you're a dummy who doesn't care about security, privacy, freedom, bloatware, telemetry, built in malware.
I know it's technically not a BSD but the best BSD related OS for desktop is macOS.
The most correct BSDs for the most people are MacOS and iOS.
I found OpenBSD in 2009 as a result of my 3Com router being a very stupid design. Hackers found my IP address and decided to just start hammering my router trying to break in. My routers way to handle those break in attempts was to take itself offline for 1 minute then try to grab a new WAN IP address. With a static IP address that was obviously useless and it's way handling the attacks was absolutely stupid. I built my first OpenBSD router with some old PC hardware I had laying around and my internet connection has been rock solid ever since. I keep all my router config files backed up so it literally only takes a few minutes to get back up and running if the hard drive fails. I keep an extra preconfigured system on hand so if the current one dies I just replace it with the backup system so my down time is kept to a few minutes. I'm currently in the process of replacing my Windows PC's with FreeBSD or GhostBSD. I'm probably going to go with FreeBSD in the end but GhostBSD is certainly seems to be a nice polished solution. My only issue is I can't get my sound to work. In Windows it works perfectly, with Linux it randomly makes popping noises and with BSD it won't work at all despite the hardware being recognized and drivers loaded. They're Lenovo Tiny 710q PC's so changing the sound card isn't an option.
Hmmmm now that's interesting, I have an m710q myself, I might try to replicate that.
@@GaryHTech I'm installing it on a m720q now to try it and then I'll try it on my m910q's. I have a couple of m920q's on the way to try it on those that I just bought on eBay tonight. I'll let you know how I make out with all these systems.
i chose openbsd over freebd, because it s true unix. drivers doesnt use linux layers to get them working
Non of the BSDs are true unix including freebsd and openbsd.
Do you know how the video drivers (AMD/Intel) work on OpenBSD in the first place? DRM (direct rendering manager) from the Linux Kernel.
And do you know how Wayland on OpenBSD made progresses? That's right, feature compatibility with Linux Kernel.
The BSDs may be descendants to the old school AT&T Unix, but they have evolved far from that point, AT&T code is no longer included there, so there's no "True Unix".
BSD is an OS of its own.