We use bait boats here in the states but to solve that problem we just use cheap lazer spotting scopes to compare the distance down to a few inches. Seems to a bit quicker & a lot easier than that.
I use an Actor budget boat to drop out my pike baits, (no carping here in Ireland) and I've been using a line counter on the rods and the baitrunners set to a light enough drag to just keep tension on the counter to stop the line slipping on the counter wheel... 😎👍☘🍺
I dont use bait boats that much as I realy dont like the things but when I have in the past I have always cliped up to 1) get the right distance 2) to feel the lead down as I am 100% convinced it gives a better presentation just like feeling the lead down on a cast.
Hi mate, for me, it depends what depth of water you’re fishing over. Feeling the lead down works great in shallow water but if it’s deep, the swing back can mean your lead isn’t where your bait is.
@@archivefootage7898 No set answer, you'd have to do the maths to work it out (pythagoras triangle), the swingback depends on the distance you’re fishing and the depth. If you’re under 4m, I wouldn’t worry unless you’re fishing a rod length out.
@@matthewcollinsangler I've done the maths and it really is negligible in depths up to 5m. However, I don't know the effect that the line drag from surface tension has on the sinking rig.
@@archivefootage7898 When fishing over deep water, I spread my baits over a wide area so it doesn’t matter. If you want to fish a small trap in deep water, the simple solution is PVA mesh.
▶ Watch next: How to hit the line clip and feel the lead down: ruclips.net/video/gZzKO0SHifo/видео.html Love them or hate them bait boats are a part of the modern carp angling scene. For me, there are times when they do come into their own and if you’ve got one then why not make the very best use of it? When you need to be super accurate, there are techniques you can use to make sure your rig ends up exactly where you want it, time and time again. ▶ How to avoid line twist with a bait boat: ruclips.net/user/shorts86fFRG4GFU8?feature=share
I use actor boatman plus its great but im definitely upgrading to the gps version for this reason very hard to judge at range and also can get back out at night same spot from the click of a button i know boats arnt for everyone but ive had some nice fish using mine 👌
Wrapping up for me is my confidence at night I still at day but at night ik if I get that angle right to the spot u can wrap up say 23 1/2 wraps and ik that rig is landing within a dinner plate size of the spot
Hi mate, good point, it depends when you put the line in the clip. If you put the line in the clip with the marker float on the surface, you’re right, you have to factor in the depth. If you wind the float down tight to the lead and put the line in the clip at this point, you eliminate the water depth factor. That’s the way I do it and what I show in the video, but maybe it’s not clear.
@@matthewcollinsangler I must of missed where you took the float down first before clipping up but saying that depends on depth obviously but normally with the marker up on surface if you count that extra on the wraps it's allows a cast straight to the spot with the pendulum effect taking place
@@camocarpycuttzy If you release the bail-arm before releasing the boat trapdoor wont it sink straight down instead of acting like a pendulum ??.. 🤔 😎👍☘🍺
@@peterfitzpatrick7032 yes it will but you should have the bailarm open before using the boat anyway to reduce line twists,only down side is on choppy or fast flowing waters you will have a huge bow in you line unless you straighten it first before dropping with bailarm open again,I know it's a right faff and all and using a boat myself over many years I felt like it want rewarding as it is as feeling the donk directly through your rod so you know,am not digging boats as they are a great tool in your arsenal to own but it's each to there own what ever method works and your happy with the out come stick to it
Evening Matthew a lot of places don’t allow bait boats do you think this a good or bad thing as some of the lake I have done later a lot of lines caught up in in the trees and the bushes or do you think it’s down to poor casting
Hi Keith, there’s no black or white answer for me. If there are trees to be cast to, there’ll always be line caught in them. I allow rowing boats, bait boats, baiting poles etc. and I still see lines in some very very strange places lol. Bait boat use would reduce this for sure but bait boats can be mis-used to the detriment of other anglers and the carp. At the end of the day every lake is different and the decision lies with the lake owners/managers as to what’s best for each water.
Hmm, you’d have to do the maths… pythagoras triangle. Depends on how far out you’re fishing. In 30ft of water, I’d use boilies only, and big ones, anything smaller is never going hit the bottom and will be spread over a massive area. The baits will spread out and your rig will probably end up on the outskirts of that ring of bait, which is just where you want it. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks for the reply Matt , sounds like I'm doing it right then i use mostly 20 & 18 mm and add just a handful of 15mm so that should give me a decent spread. I'm not new to carp fishing only new to bait boats. 👍
I'd use big pva bags in conjuction with a boat. I've been watching lots of videos about precision and I'm thinking you can't get any more precise than dropping a pva bag off of a boat
@@Pr0ject2 Thanks I must give that a try . I've never used bags , just mesh stick's soaked in pva friendly liquid to slow down the melting time a bit. Great advice thanks 👍
Like the video and answers a few questions but initially I’m still not a bait boat fan and I believe they should never be aloud to be used either in pleasure or competition fishing. In my mind it just takes out skill & judgment of the sport, a vital part of learning!
Yes, totally get where you’re coming from. As a lake owner, I get to meet hundreds of anglers a year and not every angler is a good caster. Some anglers can’t do enough hours on the bank to develop their casting skills or have certain difficulties. So on my lake where precision is so important, bait boats enable guests to fish accurately and enjoy their holiday.
@@halilozalp379 Teknoloji bir yardımcıdır, gereklilik değil, arabalardaki tüm Teknolojiye bakın, kamyonetler, kamyonlar, ancak yine de araba kullanmayı öğrenmeniz gerekiyor.
Hi mathew you do great videos I have a question about the safety aspect bit of where you dropping rigs and if it's safe to do so well what would you do if everywhere in the lake you fish has snags and everywhere is a risk
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for replying back and quickly that's nice of you and yeah I thought that would be the answer I have had a few fish out and lost a few but ultimately the lake just needs snags removing as its just fallen trees everywhere
Seems to be a lot of pointless snipeing going on hear can't we all just agree to disagree and leave it at that .I have joined a 40acre lake and casting to the area's where the carp seem to be is just not possible so begrudgingly I got a cheap bate boat £160. Does the job most on my lake are doing the same .I tried casting over 120 yards but it's just out of my reach to hit a small spot all the time .thank you for your help. I'll be giving it a try next trip out cheers Mathew keep the tips comming.
Hello Matt, I have a query and I'm after your take. I like to use a heli setup most of the time, as you know so many places don't allow any leaders of any kind, I have my own way to set up a naked heli setup, even made a video of it. Would love it if you checked it out.. 😊. I would love your thoughts of a heli setup using tubing, I would prefer to use tubing Instead of naked mono.
Hi mate, I watched the video. I understand what you are doing and I quite like it but I’d like to see the top bead come off easier. Various companies do a naked Heli setup. I know that the Nash Heli Sleeve works with rig tubing but they might not work the way you want it to work as the top bead holds the rig right down by the swivel. The only way to hold it in place further up the line would be to use some PVA tape. Looking at the distance the bead is from the swivel I take it that you have some serious weed or silt to contend with, hence the heli setup. It’s not a problem I face TBH which is why I only use a basic running rig. If I can feel the lead hit the deck then I’d happily use a running rig anyway. Sorry I can't be of more help but if you can find a sleeve that takes the rig tubing such as the Nash heli sleeve and then a system for controlling the top bead safely then you’ve got it cracked. Best of luck, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thank you for taking the time to reply, the top bead does come off easily tbf, maybe the video doesn't really show it that well. If I suss it out I'll let you know, also thanks for the view 😁👍
Hi mate, I used to do that all the time but during Covid I ran out and I couldn't get any so I stopped doing it. My results never changed so I dropped the practice. The quality of PVA nuggets varies tremendously. Some are great, others are absolute rubbish and will cost you fish (I got some out of the lake this year after some guests had left and they still hadn't melted, just bobbed on the surface!). I would test them yourself, in a big bucket pinched onto a rig to simulate how you actually fish. It’s the only way to understand how they are working and whether they are helping or not. If I was fishing a weedy water, I’d consider using them but only if I didn't have a better option.
Hi ,quick question,when i send my bait boat out i let the bail arm off and feel tge line through my finger, however i seem to be struggle witj a lot of line twist. Any suggestions?
Hi mate, it doesn’t sound like you’re doing anything wrong… sounds like your line was twisted in the first place. This is usually down to how you’ve spooled up. (I’ve got a spooling video if you want to check it out: ruclips.net/video/4Ub64QWEF9c/видео.html)
So if you taking the boat out until you hit the clip and drop on a slack line you could be in weed and not fishing because if you swing back that could be a area of gravel but 3 feet forward is weed
Okay, I understand your concern but you’d know that from the type of drop you get. It also depends on the size of the feature and whether you mark the front or the back of it. If the feature is really small then there’s no way that you’d be able to accurately fish it with a bait boat anyway. The only way to do it is to row out and drop it by hand. TBH on weedy waters I’d just lob solid PVA bags at them. Works for me 😁
awesome video as always! baiting boat seems nice, however, my budget thinks otherwise. for now ill stick to my homemade 30m baiting spoon. its not perfect, but does the job. tight lines!
And that's what matters mate! Bait boats are not essential but they have their uses in certain situations and if you're not a confident caster yet. I use my baiting spoon as well a lot.
I hardly use mine anymore but they're a tool that can help anglers not confident in their casting or who have difficulties. I see hundreds of anglers a year at my lake and not every one has had enough practice and experience to develop their skills and be accurate.
Sorry matt only time I will disagree with you what's the point in learning the art of casting under arm over arm long chuck short chuck bait boat is just cheating just like this new twig that ali gas bought out self hooking snare
No worries mate. To be honest, I hardly use mine anymore. If I can’t cast to the spot, I use a combination of baiting pole and rowing boat, much more accurate. The other side to consider is that not every angler is a good caster because it can take a lot of time to be good at it. Trust me, I see hundreds of anglers a year at the lake and not every one has had enough practice and experience to develop their skills and be accurate. So in that situation, bait boats enable them to enjoy their carp fishing holiday/session - especially on my lake where precision is so important. Cheers, Matt
@matthewcollinsangler yeah most carp fisherman now days have jumped in to the sport because of tv shows without learning the fundamental skills poor fish have no chance now with a self hooking system now out from one more cast
Casting into trees and leaving line and hooks for wildlife is a far worse sin in my opinion. I can safely say i have not done that once in 20 plus years of using a baitboat. And yes, i can still cast as accurately as i could before i started using one. I wouldn't advise someone to get a boat in their first few years of fishing, and even if they did, if they don't have the ability to locate spots and fish, chances are a boat will not help therm catch any more fish anyway. Do you also think rowing a bait out 150 plus yards and dumping it is cheating?
@fcgash that's why clips and distances sticks are for isn't it and if you fish safe not using 30lb hooklink with 15lb mainline you only ever lose a hook at most and as I use the hit and run the safest leader system to fish with I only lose a hook I don't use plastic baits why would using a rowing boat be cheating your learning another skill needed I know a couple of lads with GPS all they do when fishing press one button just about the boat does it on its own what's the point will you be using this self hooking this called the twig then to
@fcgash and when did I say about boats do you always jump in putting words in people's mouth like a woman pml because I touched a nerve because I have a opinion that different to yours muggins
We use bait boats here in the states but to solve that problem we just use cheap lazer spotting scopes to compare the distance down to a few inches. Seems to a bit quicker & a lot easier than that.
That's an interesting method and one I've not heard of before.
I use an Actor budget boat to drop out my pike baits, (no carping here in Ireland) and I've been using a line counter on the rods and the baitrunners set to a light enough drag to just keep tension on the counter to stop the line slipping on the counter wheel...
😎👍☘🍺
I dont use bait boats that much as I realy dont like the things but when I have in the past I have always cliped up to 1) get the right distance 2) to feel the lead down as I am 100% convinced it gives a better presentation just like feeling the lead down on a cast.
Hi mate, for me, it depends what depth of water you’re fishing over. Feeling the lead down works great in shallow water but if it’s deep, the swing back can mean your lead isn’t where your bait is.
How much swingback are we talking about here and at what depth?
@@archivefootage7898 No set answer, you'd have to do the maths to work it out (pythagoras triangle), the swingback depends on the distance you’re fishing and the depth. If you’re under 4m, I wouldn’t worry unless you’re fishing a rod length out.
@@matthewcollinsangler I've done the maths and it really is negligible in depths up to 5m. However, I don't know the effect that the line drag from surface tension has on the sinking rig.
@@archivefootage7898 When fishing over deep water, I spread my baits over a wide area so it doesn’t matter. If you want to fish a small trap in deep water, the simple solution is PVA mesh.
▶ Watch next: How to hit the line clip and feel the lead down: ruclips.net/video/gZzKO0SHifo/видео.html
Love them or hate them bait boats are a part of the modern carp angling scene. For me, there are times when they do come into their own and if you’ve got one then why not make the very best use of it? When you need to be super accurate, there are techniques you can use to make sure your rig ends up exactly where you want it, time and time again.
▶ How to avoid line twist with a bait boat: ruclips.net/user/shorts86fFRG4GFU8?feature=share
I use actor boatman plus its great but im definitely upgrading to the gps version for this reason very hard to judge at range and also can get back out at night same spot from the click of a button i know boats arnt for everyone but ive had some nice fish using mine 👌
They're only accurate to within 2m so can still end up in overhanging branches if you're fishing tight to them.
@@archivefootage7898 very true mate, The GPS on bait boats is not that accurate.
Wrapping up for me is my confidence at night I still at day but at night ik if I get that angle right to the spot u can wrap up say 23 1/2 wraps and ik that rig is landing within a dinner plate size of the spot
This method does work but you forgot to take off the water depth when your on the sticks so your actually sending your rods further than the marker
Hi mate, good point, it depends when you put the line in the clip. If you put the line in the clip with the marker float on the surface, you’re right, you have to factor in the depth. If you wind the float down tight to the lead and put the line in the clip at this point, you eliminate the water depth factor. That’s the way I do it and what I show in the video, but maybe it’s not clear.
@@matthewcollinsangler I must of missed where you took the float down first before clipping up but saying that depends on depth obviously but normally with the marker up on surface if you count that extra on the wraps it's allows a cast straight to the spot with the pendulum effect taking place
@@camocarpycuttzy
If you release the bail-arm before releasing the boat trapdoor wont it sink straight down instead of acting like a pendulum ??.. 🤔
😎👍☘🍺
@@peterfitzpatrick7032 yes it will but you should have the bailarm open before using the boat anyway to reduce line twists,only down side is on choppy or fast flowing waters you will have a huge bow in you line unless you straighten it first before dropping with bailarm open again,I know it's a right faff and all and using a boat myself over many years I felt like it want rewarding as it is as feeling the donk directly through your rod so you know,am not digging boats as they are a great tool in your arsenal to own but it's each to there own what ever method works and your happy with the out come stick to it
One could get GPS positioning of fish mouths. Then deliver it down their Cake Holes.
😂👍
Evening Matthew a lot of places don’t allow bait boats do you think this a good or bad thing as some of the lake I have done later a lot of lines caught up in in the trees and the bushes or do you think it’s down to poor casting
Hi Keith, there’s no black or white answer for me. If there are trees to be cast to, there’ll always be line caught in them. I allow rowing boats, bait boats, baiting poles etc. and I still see lines in some very very strange places lol. Bait boat use would reduce this for sure but bait boats can be mis-used to the detriment of other anglers and the carp. At the end of the day every lake is different and the decision lies with the lake owners/managers as to what’s best for each water.
Hi Matt thanks for another great video . Could i ask how you would do the same thing in 30ft water as our lake is 30ft deep almost all over.
Hmm, you’d have to do the maths… pythagoras triangle. Depends on how far out you’re fishing. In 30ft of water, I’d use boilies only, and big ones, anything smaller is never going hit the bottom and will be spread over a massive area. The baits will spread out and your rig will probably end up on the outskirts of that ring of bait, which is just where you want it. Cheers, Matt
@@matthewcollinsangler Thanks for the reply Matt , sounds like I'm doing it right then i use mostly 20 & 18 mm and add just a handful of 15mm so that should give me a decent spread. I'm not new to carp fishing only new to bait boats. 👍
I'd use big pva bags in conjuction with a boat. I've been watching lots of videos about precision and I'm thinking you can't get any more precise than dropping a pva bag off of a boat
@@Pr0ject2 Thanks I must give that a try . I've never used bags , just mesh stick's soaked in pva friendly liquid to slow down the melting time a bit. Great advice thanks 👍
Like the video and answers a few questions but initially I’m still not a bait boat fan and I believe they should never be aloud to be used either in pleasure or competition fishing. In my mind it just takes out skill & judgment of the sport, a vital part of learning!
Teknolojiyi her zaman kullanmalisin
Yes, totally get where you’re coming from. As a lake owner, I get to meet hundreds of anglers a year and not every angler is a good caster. Some anglers can’t do enough hours on the bank to develop their casting skills or have certain difficulties. So on my lake where precision is so important, bait boats enable guests to fish accurately and enjoy their holiday.
@@halilozalp379 Teknoloji bir yardımcıdır, gereklilik değil, arabalardaki tüm Teknolojiye bakın, kamyonetler, kamyonlar, ancak yine de araba kullanmayı öğrenmeniz gerekiyor.
@@matthewcollinsangler ah right understood. I guess everything has its pros and cons, I guess I’m just old school.
Hi mathew you do great videos I have a question about the safety aspect bit of where you dropping rigs and if it's safe to do so well what would you do if everywhere in the lake you fish has snags and everywhere is a risk
Sorry mate, based on what you’ve said, I wouldn’t fish the lake. If I can’t land them safely, I don’t fish for them.
@@matthewcollinsangler thanks for replying back and quickly that's nice of you and yeah I thought that would be the answer I have had a few fish out and lost a few but ultimately the lake just needs snags removing as its just fallen trees everywhere
@@Yarpycarpyadventures Yeah, sounds like it mate. Hopefully they can get a work party organised to sort it out.
Seems to be a lot of pointless snipeing going on hear can't we all just agree to disagree and leave it at that .I have joined a 40acre lake and casting to the area's where the carp seem to be is just not possible so begrudgingly I got a cheap bate boat £160. Does the job most on my lake are doing the same .I tried casting over 120 yards but it's just out of my reach to hit a small spot all the time .thank you for your help. I'll be giving it a try next trip out cheers Mathew keep the tips comming.
Thanks very much mate 👍 They're a tool that can be very useful in certain situations for sure.
Hello Matt, I have a query and I'm after your take. I like to use a heli setup most of the time, as you know so many places don't allow any leaders of any kind, I have my own way to set up a naked heli setup, even made a video of it. Would love it if you checked it out.. 😊. I would love your thoughts of a heli setup using tubing, I would prefer to use tubing Instead of naked mono.
Hi mate, I watched the video. I understand what you are doing and I quite like it but I’d like to see the top bead come off easier. Various companies do a naked Heli setup. I know that the Nash Heli Sleeve works with rig tubing but they might not work the way you want it to work as the top bead holds the rig right down by the swivel. The only way to hold it in place further up the line would be to use some PVA tape. Looking at the distance the bead is from the swivel I take it that you have some serious weed or silt to contend with, hence the heli setup. It’s not a problem I face TBH which is why I only use a basic running rig. If I can feel the lead hit the deck then I’d happily use a running rig anyway. Sorry I can't be of more help but if you can find a sleeve that takes the rig tubing such as the Nash heli sleeve and then a system for controlling the top bead safely then you’ve got it cracked. Best of luck, Matt.
@@matthewcollinsangler thank you for taking the time to reply, the top bead does come off easily tbf, maybe the video doesn't really show it that well. If I suss it out I'll let you know, also thanks for the view 😁👍
Do you put anything over the hook point like foam when using the bait boat. To stop the hook going into a bollie or bit of hemp.
Hi mate, I used to do that all the time but during Covid I ran out and I couldn't get any so I stopped doing it. My results never changed so I dropped the practice. The quality of PVA nuggets varies tremendously. Some are great, others are absolute rubbish and will cost you fish (I got some out of the lake this year after some guests had left and they still hadn't melted, just bobbed on the surface!). I would test them yourself, in a big bucket pinched onto a rig to simulate how you actually fish. It’s the only way to understand how they are working and whether they are helping or not. If I was fishing a weedy water, I’d consider using them but only if I didn't have a better option.
Hi ,quick question,when i send my bait boat out i let the bail arm off and feel tge line through my finger, however i seem to be struggle witj a lot of line twist. Any suggestions?
Put a bit of sponge in the eye nearest your real, works for me
Hi mate, it doesn’t sound like you’re doing anything wrong… sounds like your line was twisted in the first place. This is usually down to how you’ve spooled up. (I’ve got a spooling video if you want to check it out: ruclips.net/video/4Ub64QWEF9c/видео.html)
@matthewcollinsangler i was thinkin kinda the same thing . Thanks for your reply
So if you taking the boat out until you hit the clip and drop on a slack line you could be in weed and not fishing because if you swing back that could be a area of gravel but 3 feet forward is weed
Okay, I understand your concern but you’d know that from the type of drop you get. It also depends on the size of the feature and whether you mark the front or the back of it. If the feature is really small then there’s no way that you’d be able to accurately fish it with a bait boat anyway. The only way to do it is to row out and drop it by hand. TBH on weedy waters I’d just lob solid PVA bags at them. Works for me 😁
One question, who sells the prodding stick. :)
Haha, do you like my curtain pole with a bit of string stuck to it 😂
"Patent pending"🤣@@matthewcollinsangler
It's in progress mate 😂
Thanks
Thank you, much appreciated 😊
awesome video as always! baiting boat seems nice, however, my budget thinks otherwise. for now ill stick to my homemade 30m baiting spoon. its not perfect, but does the job.
tight lines!
And that's what matters mate! Bait boats are not essential but they have their uses in certain situations and if you're not a confident caster yet. I use my baiting spoon as well a lot.
The Actor baitboat is cheap enough, I use one for dropping my pike baits over here !! 🙂
😎👍☘🍺
I call it cheating using bait boat, my lake band them
I hardly use mine anymore but they're a tool that can help anglers not confident in their casting or who have difficulties. I see hundreds of anglers a year at my lake and not every one has had enough practice and experience to develop their skills and be accurate.
Do you sleep while fishing??? Well, that's cheating because they wake you up!!!!!
supprised people arnt using drones by now
Promo sm
Sorry matt only time I will disagree with you what's the point in learning the art of casting under arm over arm long chuck short chuck bait boat is just cheating just like this new twig that ali gas bought out self hooking snare
No worries mate. To be honest, I hardly use mine anymore. If I can’t cast to the spot, I use a combination of baiting pole and rowing boat, much more accurate. The other side to consider is that not every angler is a good caster because it can take a lot of time to be good at it. Trust me, I see hundreds of anglers a year at the lake and not every one has had enough practice and experience to develop their skills and be accurate. So in that situation, bait boats enable them to enjoy their carp fishing holiday/session - especially on my lake where precision is so important. Cheers, Matt
@matthewcollinsangler yeah most carp fisherman now days have jumped in to the sport because of tv shows without learning the fundamental skills poor fish have no chance now with a self hooking system now out from one more cast
Casting into trees and leaving line and hooks for wildlife is a far worse sin in my opinion. I can safely say i have not done that once in 20 plus years of using a baitboat. And yes, i can still cast as accurately as i could before i started using one. I wouldn't advise someone to get a boat in their first few years of fishing, and even if they did, if they don't have the ability to locate spots and fish, chances are a boat will not help therm catch any more fish anyway. Do you also think rowing a bait out 150 plus yards and dumping it is cheating?
@fcgash that's why clips and distances sticks are for isn't it and if you fish safe not using 30lb hooklink with 15lb mainline you only ever lose a hook at most and as I use the hit and run the safest leader system to fish with I only lose a hook I don't use plastic baits why would using a rowing boat be cheating your learning another skill needed I know a couple of lads with GPS all they do when fishing press one button just about the boat does it on its own what's the point will you be using this self hooking this called the twig then to
@fcgash and when did I say about boats do you always jump in putting words in people's mouth like a woman pml because I touched a nerve because I have a opinion that different to yours muggins
A bait boat? You playing video games or are you fishing