It depends how technical you want to get !! A shovel would have one piece contacting the ground or the coal and would pick up using a forward motion. These are more of a "grab" picking up with two pieces coming together. I hope that makes sense! If you want to see a shovel in action, take a look at this - ruclips.net/video/Hux-_G8OmSM/видео.html although this one isn't steam powered. It was (I think) electrically powered - Andy
Apparently, loco numbered 4335 and marked Made in England was originally China Rail "MG8 4335" built by Wilkes-Barre at Vulcan Iron Works (works number 2433), USA in 1918. It's current status is not known.
If there's someone out there that would like to own 4335 ... just let me know. My wife and I will be out there in November. We'll go up to Daban and see if she's still available. I'm certain we could arrange to get her back to the USA. We did ship a C2 0-8-0 from China to the UK a few years ago. Just say the word!
You shipped an 0-8-0? Damn. Well why don't you get 4335 before the Chinese scrap her? Plenty of museums here would love to have her, considering there are 6 operating chinese locos in the states, 3 QJ's and 3 SY's I think we could take an American built steamer back from the Chinese. Like they would care, she's scrap metal to the Chinese. You should bring her back regardless. If you offered a Vulcan engine to any museum their ears would perk up. Vulcan locos are not that common in the states anymore, espcially larger models like this one.
***** I'm going to Inner Mongolia with my wife (who's from there) in November. I'll try to get up to Daban depot to see if 4335 is still there. Need somebody to pay for it and its shipping though. Do what you can for me!!
There are already a few of the QJ class 2-10-2s saved around the world. That US built mogul, I think, is probably unique. My wife hails from a few miles down the road from there, so I'm hoping to be able to check out its current condition some time soon.
There are 2 steam cranes visible in this sequence. There are still a few around today but they're very few and far between! Plenty of them lying around out of use !
I'd be more interested in saving the nice 2-10-2 shown in most of the video. That's a beauty! :) But the historical significance of the mogul is undeniable.
Nice thought but this is classic Baldwin, Alco etc. ... probably 1920s or 1930s. Cylinders and tender bogies are unmistakeably American. I can't find any records about the locomotive but I'm sure somebody out there will know!
It's good but I've seen so many railways around the world which would make super train sets. I'm building one based on the Durango & Silverton / Cumbres & Toltec ..... Andy
This whole line was mind blowing. Please look at some of my other videos of trains climbing over the mountain range. Sadly, it's all dieselised now, although they've kept a few of these QJ's that they steam very occasionally.
Well, yes, I guess it's a sort of locomotive. It is, as you say, self propelled but it's not built to move goods or people so isn't there to provide "locomotion". Maybe we're being a bit picky!! It's a fine machine that's for sure. We visited this depot again in November 2018 to take a look and they still have at least one of these steam cranes there, but not working. Andy
The last I saw it (2018) it was on display inside a facility at a nearby resort being developed by the local government. Of course, Covid hit soon afterwards so the whole project may well have been scrapped ... Andy
Yes Jared. It's sitting inside a museum/restaurant in Reshui (this is a town well known to steam fans a few miles from Daban). It has been cosmetically repainted ........ Andy
@@AndyDandanFisherSteam One doesn't rule out the other, a steam boiler can run on diesel oil. But I think the whole reason for them to keep these old machines is that they run on coal and they have a coal mine.
@@skunkjobb No coal mine anywhere near this particular place, though, but the steam is long gone from the JiTong Railway and Daban shed now. The only place that steam hangs on is at Sandaoling in north west China .... where there is still a coal mine! Please take a look at this, for the latest - ruclips.net/p/PLNKEdhmODMJwMYOtPl5p0NYnhxStAn8jN Andy
I visited Daban at the end of November 2018. At that time, 4335 was on display in a "museum cafe" in the middle of Reshui so, for the time being at least, it's safe! ...... Andy
В начале фильма паровоз с красными флагами и красной звездой как смотрится величественно!!!! У нас в паганой капиталистической стране с воровским правительством этого не увидишь . , А это пятиосный паровоз не советского производства?
Эти локомотивы класса QJ - очень хорошие машины. Они построены в Китае, но основаны на российском классе LV. These QJ class locomotives are very fine machines. They are built in China but are based on the Russian LV class. ..... Andy
Есть много разных способов загрузки угля в тендер. Если вы посмотрите следующее видео из Зимбабве, вы увидите, что они используют угольную башню. There are many different ways to load coal into the tender. If you look at the following video from Zimbabwe you'll see them using a coaling tower. ruclips.net/video/H89mdeTqQSw/видео.html ....... Andy
All Chinese steam locos have been fitted with both horns and whistles for some years now. The whistles tend to be used for longer distance warning as the sound carries better. Around a yard, they tend to use the horns more.
Those days on the JiTong line in Inner Mongolia were amazing. Sadly, this is now all dieselised although they've kept a few of the big QJ locos steamable for special events.
Those were common in New Zealand and Australia until the mid 70's . Often used to re railing trains or locos that ha come off the tracks. In 2021 Morrison has upset his mates in beijing so those coal piles will be looking pretty low by now.
On a visit to Daban depot in November 2018, I discovered that they still had in excess of 10 QJ's although only 2 of these could be steamed with just a little work. They have a QJ and a steam crane plinthed at the entrance to the depot. The US mogul is now on display inside a museum/restaurant in the nearby town of Reshui. There is talk of making part of the line into a tourist line. I doubt this will happen. Andy
Thank you Sebastian. The sights on the JiTong Railway were certainly wonderful but it's all dieselised now I'm afraid. If you'd like to steam that's still there today (only just), take a look at this link - ruclips.net/p/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM
I agree about the pollution entirely. However, there are now hardly any steam locos left in the world. Their impact is tiny. The real damage is done by road vehicles and the generation of electricity. I'm guessing that you have a car and take hot showers - the same as I do !! We're all guilty .... not the handful of steam locos left working.
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How cool this was with not only Steam Cranes, but also China still using Steam Locomotives before 2022-2024.
Remember this was recorded almost 22 years ago - Andy
love the sights and sounds and the steam ohm myyy.
Those few years on the JiTong Railway in Inner Mongolia were the world's last great days of mainline steam. Good memories .... Andy
Is that the same thing as a steam shovel?
It depends how technical you want to get !! A shovel would have one piece contacting the ground or the coal and would pick up using a forward motion. These are more of a "grab" picking up with two pieces coming together. I hope that makes sense! If you want to see a shovel in action, take a look at this - ruclips.net/video/Hux-_G8OmSM/видео.html
although this one isn't steam powered. It was (I think) electrically powered - Andy
Apparently, loco numbered 4335 and marked Made in England was originally China Rail "MG8 4335" built by Wilkes-Barre at Vulcan Iron Works (works number 2433), USA in 1918. It's current status is not known.
Need to get her back in the US
If there's someone out there that would like to own 4335 ... just let me know. My wife and I will be out there in November. We'll go up to Daban and see if she's still available. I'm certain we could arrange to get her back to the USA. We did ship a C2 0-8-0 from China to the UK a few years ago. Just say the word!
You shipped an 0-8-0? Damn. Well why don't you get 4335 before the Chinese scrap her? Plenty of museums here would love to have her, considering there are 6 operating chinese locos in the states, 3 QJ's and 3 SY's I think we could take an American built steamer back from the Chinese. Like they would care, she's scrap metal to the Chinese. You should bring her back regardless. If you offered a Vulcan engine to any museum their ears would perk up. Vulcan locos are not that common in the states anymore, espcially larger models like this one.
*****
I'm going to Inner Mongolia with my wife (who's from there) in November. I'll try to get up to Daban depot to see if 4335 is still there. Need somebody to pay for it and its shipping though. Do what you can for me!!
***** There is a JS running in Boone, IA as well. 8419 is the only JS with a mechanical stoker in the world too.
There are already a few of the QJ class 2-10-2s saved around the world. That US built mogul, I think, is probably unique. My wife hails from a few miles down the road from there, so I'm hoping to be able to check out its current condition some time soon.
There's a thing with these old steam beauties that are still working hard and treated like regular machines in an era where they're one of a kind.
They are beautiful machines. Sadly, the ones featured here are long gone now .... Andy
There are 2 steam cranes visible in this sequence. There are still a few around today but they're very few and far between! Plenty of them lying around out of use !
Stunningly beautiful!
These QJ class 2-10-2's were fabulous machines. Sadly no longer working, except a couple preserved in the USA.
I'd be more interested in saving the nice 2-10-2 shown in most of the video. That's a beauty! :) But the historical significance of the mogul is undeniable.
There are two QJs in America. They are operated by the Iowa Interstate railway.
Nice thought but this is classic Baldwin, Alco etc. ... probably 1920s or 1930s. Cylinders and tender bogies are unmistakeably American.
I can't find any records about the locomotive but I'm sure somebody out there will know!
This is the ultimate train set really
It's good but I've seen so many railways around the world which would make super train sets. I'm building one based on the Durango & Silverton / Cumbres & Toltec ..... Andy
Great videos
Thank you !
You're welcome
This is amazing. Like a working museum. Just think how much more efficient a wheel loader would be; except it can't burn coal.
This whole line was mind blowing. Please look at some of my other videos of trains climbing over the mountain range. Sadly, it's all dieselised now, although they've kept a few of these QJ's that they steam very occasionally.
count me in I'm interested in saving locomotives from the scrapyard ill save the mogul
If you're serious Chris, send me a private message with contact details. Andy
What's the present status of that American locomotive that you saw today in 2020 was it saved or was it cut up
It's currently sitting inside a cafe/museum in the nearby town of Reshui. It's not been steamed since the 1990's ....... Andy
I would love to help save that mogul! What needs to be done? Better yet, let's save all of it! The moguls, the 2-10-2s, the cranes, EVERYTHING!
Peter Ronney if only others shared our passion
Would one consider that steam crane a locomotive? As far as I know it is self propelled and is equipped with couplers
Well, yes, I guess it's a sort of locomotive. It is, as you say, self propelled but it's not built to move goods or people so isn't there to provide "locomotion". Maybe we're being a bit picky!! It's a fine machine that's for sure. We visited this depot again in November 2018 to take a look and they still have at least one of these steam cranes there, but not working.
Andy
Wonder what happened to the Mogul. Looks like a nice lil’ loco. Shame it isn’t in the states, or running for that matter.
The last I saw it (2018) it was on display inside a facility at a nearby resort being developed by the local government. Of course, Covid hit soon afterwards so the whole project may well have been scrapped ... Andy
Ah damn. Well at least someone still cared about it until the world shut down lol
Does anybody know the current status of the Vulcan Mogul?
Yes Jared. It's sitting inside a museum/restaurant in Reshui (this is a town well known to steam fans a few miles from Daban). It has been cosmetically repainted ........ Andy
it COULD be england. they built 4-8-4s for china that were pretty american looking
A mogul is a 2-6-0 locomotive
Is the crane running on diesel?
No Nathan. The crane was steam powered as well. Almost all sadly gone now though. Andy
@@AndyDandanFisherSteam One doesn't rule out the other, a steam boiler can run on diesel oil. But I think the whole reason for them to keep these old machines is that they run on coal and they have a coal mine.
@@skunkjobb No coal mine anywhere near this particular place, though, but the steam is long gone from the JiTong Railway and Daban shed now. The only place that steam hangs on is at Sandaoling in north west China .... where there is still a coal mine! Please take a look at this, for the latest -
ruclips.net/p/PLNKEdhmODMJwMYOtPl5p0NYnhxStAn8jN
Andy
Is 4335 still over there?
I visited Daban at the end of November 2018. At that time, 4335 was on display in a "museum cafe" in the middle of Reshui so, for the time being at least, it's safe! ...... Andy
@@AndyDandanFisherSteam Ah. Well that's nice to hear, is there a photo or video that shows it?
@@karlosbricks2413 Yes, I took a photo through the window of the place (it was closed) but I can't send it in this message, I'm afraid ..... Andy
В начале фильма паровоз с красными флагами и красной звездой как смотрится величественно!!!! У нас в паганой капиталистической стране с воровским правительством этого не увидишь . , А это пятиосный паровоз не советского производства?
Эти локомотивы класса QJ - очень хорошие машины. Они построены в Китае, но основаны на российском классе LV. These QJ class locomotives are very fine machines. They are built in China but are based on the Russian LV class. ..... Andy
@@AndyDandanFisherSteam спасибо
и китай с их паровозами самые богатая страна в мире а мы банановая республика, в полной жопе!!!!
Экипировать углём паровой кран только вручную можно было? Или другой паровой кран сыпал уму ковшик в бункер?
Есть много разных способов загрузки угля в тендер. Если вы посмотрите следующее видео из Зимбабве, вы увидите, что они используют угольную башню. There are many different ways to load coal into the tender. If you look at the following video from Zimbabwe you'll see them using a coaling tower. ruclips.net/video/H89mdeTqQSw/видео.html
....... Andy
I guess the country with the most coal in the world can allow itself to be nostalgic (especially if it's this convenient).
they buy the most coal in the World because most of what they have is not suitable for making steam.
why horns not whistles ?
All Chinese steam locos have been fitted with both horns and whistles for some years now. The whistles tend to be used for longer distance warning as the sound carries better. Around a yard, they tend to use the horns more.
So. Cool thanks 🙏👍🏼🙏
I'm glad you enjoyed my video ...... Andy
wow... this is awesome
Those days on the JiTong line in Inner Mongolia were amazing. Sadly, this is now all dieselised although they've kept a few of the big QJ locos steamable for special events.
Could be a glimpse of the future
I think that's doubtful ...... coal is a fuel of the past now! ..... Andy
i love steamp loco !!!!
And so do I !!!! ....... Andy
Thats a 1st 4 me😳steam powered crane wtf 🥇👍🦘cheers oz straya ! 2019
Those were common in New Zealand and Australia until the mid 70's . Often used to re railing trains or locos that ha come off the tracks. In 2021 Morrison has upset his mates in beijing so those coal piles will be looking pretty low by now.
Wow you still replieng to comments
Respect☝
I always try to reply! .... Andy
Паровой экскаватор?))) впервые такое вижу😯
Эти паровые погрузчики были распространены в Европе в 1950-х и 1960-х ........ Andy
Ну это не экскаватор, это паровой кран. А навешивается на него вот такой ковш.
А какая разница паровой или дизельный или электрический главное работает
As China modernizes, I hope it sees fit to keep some of the steam engines and cranes and other machinery!
On a visit to Daban depot in November 2018, I discovered that they still had in excess of 10 QJ's although only 2 of these could be steamed with just a little work. They have a QJ and a steam crane plinthed at the entrance to the depot. The US mogul is now on display inside a museum/restaurant in the nearby town of Reshui. There is talk of making part of the line into a tourist line. I doubt this will happen. Andy
wonderful
Thank you Sebastian. The sights on the JiTong Railway were certainly wonderful but it's all dieselised now I'm afraid. If you'd like to steam that's still there today (only just), take a look at this link -
ruclips.net/p/PLNKEdhmODMJxI2j-Vg4jtbeZqw2GfatEM
Good
A steam shovel!
These were the normal tools for loading coal across much of the world for many years. Sadly, all gone even in China now ..... Andy
They smoke hard.
They do!! ....... Andy
My Godness
So an old technik.
Why?
It ins' t good for the planet.
CO 2 is a poisson .Don ' t tehey see that?
I agree about the pollution entirely. However, there are now hardly any steam locos left in the world. Their impact is tiny. The real damage is done by road vehicles and the generation of electricity. I'm guessing that you have a car and take hot showers - the same as I do !! We're all guilty .... not the handful of steam locos left working.
Cheep Chinese
Ana Maria Oliveira they don't care...sad. Shalom
Please read my comments above, Gabe and Motorhead.
A woman would never understand. Please, change channel.