That is a red herring fallacy. If he were telling the truth and not mislead, he would say no noticeable lung issues, but they do exist physiologically if we do expensive tests to measure certain parameters.
Nelson: Did you make theories/assumptions? Martin: No Nelson: did you make assumptions about weight? Martin: Yes, very few One of the bigger self owns I've ever seen. Nelson made quick work of Martin by having him claim his work was based off of assumptions aka guessing aka I don't know. Getting a renowned Doctor to claim all the evidence he put forth was a guess is pretty good in my book.
You do know that the assumptions Dr. Martin made was by using the weights he was given? HE didn't personally weigh Chauvin, but he ASSUMED that the weight he was given was correct. It's really not the self own you think it is.
In terms of George Floyd's cause of death, Martin Tobin was probably the most important witness. If Chauvin is really guilty, the prosecution missed out. If Chauvin is really innocent, the defense missed out. If he is guilty, Tobin could've included standard deviation when he calculated average for man in 40s and "healthy". Then argued that even with the error bars and uncertainty, his arguments still hold. That would've cast away reasonable doubt when Nelson argued that he only calculated a specific nanosecond in time and that with every nanosecond, there are fluctuations. Tobin instead of just saying that he calculated assuming 50% of the weight was on the neck, he could've calculated a minimum weight, say hypothetically even if like 10% of the weight was on the neck, it would've killed him. There is no way the defense could've reasonably suggested only 10% or less of weight was on the neck and talked their way out of that. Sure, the weight can fluctuate nanosecond to nanosecond, but it is unreasonable to claim it was at any point less than 10%. It isn't hard to optimize an equation on Excel, MATLAB, R, or any software to determine minimum. Just take the derivative of the equation and calculate. If he is innocent, Nelson could've asked Tobin the above. He could've argued that if he brought in 2 scales and put his knees on each scale, he can be upright and fluctuate his weight between the two scales without notice, then be like, "If I weight 180 lbs, can you tell if I have exactly 90 lbs on each scale? I can put 140 lbs on one scale and 40 lbs on the other without you noticing. Then, I can move my weight and make it so that 120 lbs is on one scale and 60 lbs is on the other scale, again without you noticing. Tobin's equation works for 50% weight, but does it work for 40%? 45%? 48%?" That would rebut Blackwell's argument that people did not notice any movement, because shifting weight isn't noticeable with the naked eye. It would've cast reasonable doubt on the jury. He could've also argued that taking averages is misleading without a standard deviation. An average of 100 units with a sample of 2 could mean each individual was 100 units or it can mean one was 130 units and the other was 70 units. A lot of people, when I post this, say i am focusing on a narrow part of Tobin's argument. But all of Tobin's testimony, from the officers on Floyd's back etc led up to the knee on the neck killing him. So I am not ignoring Tobin's "broad" testimony so to speak as Tobin's defenders claim that I am. Nowhere in his testimony he presented statistical or error analysis that even a high school student would has taken AP statistics can do. He should've at least included standard deviation with his average calculations. Like for example, an average of 200 units can be misleading. If the sample size is 2, is it 199 and 201 giving an average of 200 or is it 300 and 100 giving an average of 200? No 95% confidence intervals, no p values, nothing.
Did Nelson get to cross examine Tobin today during the state's rebuttal? My Wash Post feed cut from a break straight to the judge releasing the jurors for the weekend.
Nelson: Did you make assumptions/theories? Martin: No Nelson: did you make assumptions about weight? Martin: Yes, very few One of the bigger self owns I've ever seen. He made quick work of Martin by having him claim his work was based off of assumptions aka guessing aka I don't know. Getting a renowned Doctor to claim all the evidence he put forth is a guess is pretty good in my book.
Tobin admits he was primed by watching hundreds of hours of Floyd’s final minutes and having dozens of conversations with the D.A basically coming up with the strategy to avoid a city meltdown. His accent also plays into this because they know he sounds smarter than he is with his accent. Why not use a Nigerian doctor or a woman.
They would've if a Nigerian or American doctor happened to be a leading expert in the field. He's not a normal doctor he's a world renowned expert that's why his input is important
Did you watch what everyone else did? That doctor not only destroyed the last few days of the defense cross about George Floyd but destroyed and hope of upcoming defense! Wake up guy
@@fuzzybunnysenpai8798 dude....! His assumptions where those of the officers weight on that exact day, and the weight of his gear according to manufacturers specs! Of course his weight will fluctuate over a few days but no chance does an intelligent person (unlike yourself) think that that flux is sufficient enough to change the outcome!
"90% of smokers have no lung issues"
Dr Tobin Martin
That is a red herring fallacy. If he were telling the truth and not mislead, he would say no noticeable lung issues, but they do exist physiologically if we do expensive tests to measure certain parameters.
Chauvin is taking notes
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Nelson: Did you make theories/assumptions?
Martin: No
Nelson: did you make assumptions about weight?
Martin: Yes, very few
One of the bigger self owns I've ever seen. Nelson made quick work of Martin by having him claim his work was based off of assumptions aka guessing aka I don't know. Getting a renowned Doctor to claim all the evidence he put forth was a guess is pretty good in my book.
You do know that the assumptions Dr. Martin made was by using the weights he was given? HE didn't personally weigh Chauvin, but he ASSUMED that the weight he was given was correct. It's really not the self own you think it is.
@@lumpyspacepickles "You do know that the assumptions Dr. Martin made was by using the weights he was given?" You said it bro....
In terms of George Floyd's cause of death, Martin Tobin was probably the most important witness.
If Chauvin is really guilty, the prosecution missed out.
If Chauvin is really innocent, the defense missed out.
If he is guilty, Tobin could've included standard deviation when he calculated average for man in 40s and "healthy". Then argued that even with the error bars and uncertainty, his arguments still hold. That would've cast away reasonable doubt when Nelson argued that he only calculated a specific nanosecond in time and that with every nanosecond, there are fluctuations. Tobin instead of just saying that he calculated assuming 50% of the weight was on the neck, he could've calculated a minimum weight, say hypothetically even if like 10% of the weight was on the neck, it would've killed him. There is no way the defense could've reasonably suggested only 10% or less of weight was on the neck and talked their way out of that. Sure, the weight can fluctuate nanosecond to nanosecond, but it is unreasonable to claim it was at any point less than 10%. It isn't hard to optimize an equation on Excel, MATLAB, R, or any software to determine minimum. Just take the derivative of the equation and calculate.
If he is innocent, Nelson could've asked Tobin the above. He could've argued that if he brought in 2 scales and put his knees on each scale, he can be upright and fluctuate his weight between the two scales without notice, then be like, "If I weight 180 lbs, can you tell if I have exactly 90 lbs on each scale? I can put 140 lbs on one scale and 40 lbs on the other without you noticing. Then, I can move my weight and make it so that 120 lbs is on one scale and 60 lbs is on the other scale, again without you noticing. Tobin's equation works for 50% weight, but does it work for 40%? 45%? 48%?" That would rebut Blackwell's argument that people did not notice any movement, because shifting weight isn't noticeable with the naked eye. It would've cast reasonable doubt on the jury. He could've also argued that taking averages is misleading without a standard deviation. An average of 100 units with a sample of 2 could mean each individual was 100 units or it can mean one was 130 units and the other was 70 units.
A lot of people, when I post this, say i am focusing on a narrow part of Tobin's argument. But all of Tobin's testimony, from the officers on Floyd's back etc led up to the knee on the neck killing him. So I am not ignoring Tobin's "broad" testimony so to speak as Tobin's defenders claim that I am. Nowhere in his testimony he presented statistical or error analysis that even a high school student would has taken AP statistics can do. He should've at least included standard deviation with his average calculations. Like for example, an average of 200 units can be misleading. If the sample size is 2, is it 199 and 201 giving an average of 200 or is it 300 and 100 giving an average of 200? No 95% confidence intervals, no p values, nothing.
Did Nelson get to cross examine Tobin today during the state's rebuttal? My Wash Post feed cut from a break straight to the judge releasing the jurors for the weekend.
I’m starting back smoking
he embarrased the "doctor"
Weak questioning. Clearly out of his depth.
Dr Tobin comes across as a principled expert and the defence as poorly prepared.
Weak comment
Poorly written
Doctor destroyed Nelson :) Man if you dont know, just say i dont know. Dont fight with a scientist about things you dont know.
Nelson: Did you make assumptions/theories?
Martin: No
Nelson: did you make assumptions about weight?
Martin: Yes, very few
One of the bigger self owns I've ever seen. He made quick work of Martin by having him claim his work was based off of assumptions aka guessing aka I don't know. Getting a renowned Doctor to claim all the evidence he put forth is a guess is pretty good in my book.
Strange how folk believe in science until it comes to 70 odd genders
PREACH!!!!!!!!
Tobin admits he was primed by watching hundreds of hours of Floyd’s final minutes and having dozens of conversations with the D.A basically coming up with the strategy to avoid a city meltdown. His accent also plays into this because they know he sounds smarter than he is with his accent. Why not use a Nigerian doctor or a woman.
They would've if a Nigerian or American doctor happened to be a leading expert in the field. He's not a normal doctor he's a world renowned expert that's why his input is important
Did you watch what everyone else did?
That doctor not only destroyed the last few days of the defense cross about George Floyd but destroyed and hope of upcoming defense! Wake up guy
Are you serious?
@@kayoed1 yea, I’d bet money that former officer(s) are done!
He contradicted himself. He claimed that he didn’t make any assumptions, but in reality he did.
@@fuzzybunnysenpai8798 dude....! His assumptions where those of the officers weight on that exact day, and the weight of his gear according to manufacturers specs! Of course his weight will fluctuate over a few days but no chance does an intelligent person (unlike yourself) think that that flux is sufficient enough to change the outcome!
The weight is also displaced in different areas of the upper body. That was also an assumption that all the weight was on one area of the body.