Yes. It's me again I have two suggestions for Chris concerning how his boat tracks: 1.Adjust the angle of the engine so that it puts thrust in an upward angle for the bow.(tipped forward down)2.Shift some moveable weight to the stern to cause the bow to ride naturally above the level of the stern.. If the bow is plowing the stern's tendency will be to go around it. It is a good practice to study fluid dynamics on the water. It is a good mixture of science and intuition
@@tomkellum6754 yes it made a big difference when I put weight on front deck I put generator and full gas can on front sure helped a lot of the swing back and forth 😃
The shots of your no man’s land reminds me of being on some of the lakes in Oklahoma, Missouri, and Arkansas. In the summertime, all you see are trees on the hillsides surrounding the lake. In the late fall and winter the leafless trees expose dozens of roads homes.
I'm glad someone picked up and is using that boat you gave us a tour of awhile ago. Great to show that you don't need a half million dollar 5000HP thing to get out on the water.
I really can't give an opinion of what's going on with Chris's boat not tracking right without inspecting it, but check the anoide trim adjustment above the prop, which can be adjusted to compensate for prop torque. It's just an idea
The difference in tracking is in the hull bite in the water. A larger hull with a shallow draft will not track as well as a smaller hull with more draft. there are many add-ons that will help him like two fixed fins in the front, or a shallow ventral fin. Even loading his hull to allow it more draft.
Enjoyed the video, thanks for taking us along. I went to Michigan Tech back in the early 80's and explored that whole area on weekends including Freda, Lake Linden, Chassell, and Ontonagon/Porcupine SP, but always by road. Most of the land was owned by the mining companies and/or later bought by Mead (Northern Hardwoods Division). I think that preserved the wildness of the coast. Most private coastline properties being sold off only in the last 40 years or so.
I took a boat up to torch lake one time. Fun area. Had some luck casting a Mepps spinner on small mouth bass. Nice cruise. I like Chris's boat. She is a classic.
Brenton, I would agree with David Lacey. The boat seems to be running a perfect level trim and with the Bimini on the bow the stern will attempt to push around the bow. I would add weight to the stern and try it out. Get it about three or 4 inches below the bow, also we don’t know what the hull looks like under water, but it should have some form of a keel or skeg to help with tracking. Take care
Hi Tom, the bottom of Chris' boat is a lot like mine, in that it has shallow skegs or ridges that go along the bottom from front to back. I wonder how much it has to do with being a fairly tall, long and light boat?
@@brentonsriversidehermitage Yes, been a light craft and having a lot of windage is also a contributing factor. Test should be run up and down wind and on very calm Days to see if it can track with the stern sitting lower than the bow.
Great episode you live in such a beautiful place. In reference to tracking and not knowing what the bottom of either boat is like but at least a 1 inch deep full length runner even ft apart would improve tracking without losing shallow draft and providing some hull protection. The Bimini top is great but it may track better in the down position when traveling in certain conditions as well. Call his boat Poky Hind Us. Or Skinny Dipper, Shallow Lady. Okay you just keep doing that thing that you do and we’ll keep watching with a great deal of envy. God bless my friend.
Man that was a super cool adventure bud! You hit all the cool spots...even the Freda ruins waterfall got a cameo!...Keep em coming captain! Thanks for sharing...Btw I wouldn't recommend eating fish from Torch lake...it's an EPA superfund site...just saying!!
Once again, you retrace my steps, 20 years ago. I did it with a 1984 Chris Craft Catalina 253, an I/O version the the 251, with my Weimaraner. Dam, I miss that boat and that dog. Although you have proved your seamanship many times in your travels documented by your videos, I would advise extreme caution on Lake Superior with that type of flat bottom, blunt bow, high center of gravity craft. As much as I love Lake Superior, she has scared the sh*t out of me on more than a few occasions. Another great video Brenton.
Here's my thought about your buddy Chris's tracking issue. I have a small Jon Boat that I fish in. It's a very flat shaped semi-v and looks like it may be similar in shape to Chris's hull. What I believe is happening is that the waves move the boat to side because it's flat shaped and lacks a deep V that helps a boat track a line. I suggest he make himself some sort of Keel that he sticks down in the deeper water when it's not too shallow, similar to a sail boat's steering system.
Speaking of tracking, that guy on Jones World has a little hand held device. So he can steer from any where on the boat. Don't know much one would cost. You could put some runners/strakes under it .👍
@@billydaniel900 yes I watched his videos also I sure would like to have a remote control or on big lake like this Auto pilot that sure be nice on long day voyage
i think i have around 8 ft 1 or 2 on the front of my houseboat it would be tight under that bridge. should plug the holes in your motor well and put in a bilge pump. less water weight and more floating up in back end👍👍
My suggestion for what may be causing Chris' tracking problems, if it's a flat hull, he may not have any skeg like extensions running along the hull. I have plans for a boat called a Waterlodge Too, a 24' houseboat/shantyboat that comes from Glenn L Marine. It has two strips of wood that are attached to the barge like hull. I knew someone who built the 20' version of that boat and they did over 7,000 river miles on rivers from California to the Hudson in that boat. It stayed on a true line and we had that big river going house boat with a semi v type bow that became a flat hull from midships back to the stern. On its centerline, it had one of those skeg like structures on it and that boat steered and stayed straight and true. Chris may want to look at his hull the next time he hauls it out to see if he has such "skegs." If not, he may want to try to figure out how to put one or more of them on the bottom. Both the 20 and 24 foot versions of the Waterlodge, have two of them that run from bow to stern. This is really a beautiful area where you guys were cruising. Good luck in figuring out his tracking issues.
That town ( Hope Hancock?) is lovely! I would absolutely love to live there! Away from the hustle and bustle, loudness and everyone probably speaks English there still! Hoke Hancock!
@hobartelam3799 for what it is, it's a cool little scoot. I might be getting a bigger one "the hauler" soon. This one is easy to zip around for short distances.
So, your wearing a coat and hat? It’s a little cooler here in Troy NY to. Did I mention that I think we’re taking a motorcycle trip up to Maine in September?
Another great video. Thank you for taking us along. Um is that a puppy pic 🐶 of wavey on your solar controller???!!! My wife loves watching she’s a huge wavey fan . lol
We did;) to a fella right there in town. He's repowering it. After using the barge for almost a year, I realized I can take it almost everywhere I could take the Vagabond...including isle royal. I'm down to 2 boats (barge and fishing machine) trying to simplify down to a manageable life ;)
Some boats are inherently bad at tracking. I have a 27 foot monohull with a IO that won’t track straight unless you’re up on a plane. if you’re going seven, 10 mph, you have to be at the wheel correcting constantly. it drives me crazy when I’m trying to conserve gas before I run out of it.
I figured it was a food motor, being high thrust and EFI. I had to buy the pontoon and trailer with it, then sell the pontoon and trailer to recoup most of the money. It's been a great motor.
I can take a guess: the trailer is a terrible monster in need of replacement. With the proper aluminum trailer under the barge, I'd guess 6k pounds? Maybe a bit less
That town of Hancock looks like a an old industrial town, and many nice small towns in that area, it's like going back in time . And I see you have a different or new scooter? I'm really loving that whole area, don't see a lot of people and the beaches look great. So maybe someday if I have to pack up and move, I should consider moving around there somewhere around there.. is property and rent reasonably priced in that area?
Howdy ;) an ebike company called "hiboy" sent us an e scooter to try out. So far it's fun and easy. I think you'd love it up here...summer ans fall. Winters are long and cold, good time to go elsewhere;)
Deep copper mines all up the Keweenaw peninsula to Copper Harbor. It is said there is still copper there but it costs too much to pull it out from mines that deep.
@@brentonsriversidehermitage sounds great. I'm Viking, so cold doesn't bother me too much, but you're right , great time take the boat to travel South for a bit
@brentonsriversidehermitage he might have to put a deeper keel or add 1 more on each side . I worked on houseboats for years , also try taking the trim tab off the lower unit , or check to see if it even has one
Yes it does :) if you look up "Portland Pudgy" there's a lot of info about them. The company just sold to some new folks I believe and they're trying to promote them more.
I've learned to just enjoy the peace of being on the water and if the fish don't bite I just figure even the fish don't want to disturb my peacefulness.
issn't there a specific adjustment you spoosed to do on the motor... like peeeeehole spoosed to be 3 inches above the water at idle..... or something like that??? I rember that about what my dad had said looooooong time ago, and ''you have to be aware of where the motor pulls the water in!'' soo yea...
the ''peehole'' on the outboard boat motor I have the experience on/with, was on the very back of the spline V and part of the ''is it sittin right'' adjustment we had to do was specific location of that water exit ;) was what I rememmber... went from a 30 to a 60 on a 16' THOMSON WOODEN BOAT, engines were old tossaways that my dad rebuilt and set to using lol he was handy like that, did HVAC & PLUMBIN and WALK-IN COOLERS & FREEZERS ....
Hello Brenton it was great seeing you, Wavey and Chris over at Madeline Island gas dock. We hope you have fair winds on your adventure
Howdy! It was good meeting you also. ;) the wind really picked up today eh? (Sunday)
@@brentonsriversidehermitage Yes it did 😬 stay safe out there and enjoy the islands
Yes. It's me again I have two suggestions for Chris concerning how his boat tracks: 1.Adjust the angle of the engine so that it puts thrust in an upward angle for the bow.(tipped forward down)2.Shift some moveable weight to the stern to cause the bow to ride naturally above the level of the stern.. If the bow is plowing the stern's tendency will be to go around it. It is a good practice to study fluid dynamics on the water. It is a good mixture of science and intuition
I would agree with you, the stern needs to be lower than the bow!
@@tomkellum6754 yes it made a big difference when I put weight on front deck I put generator and full gas can on front sure helped a lot of the swing back and forth 😃
mooveble weight.... time to move the water tank to the aft section??? :) or insert another water tank in a ''space'' ?? :)
Great video thanks, the U.P. is my happy place !
The shots of your no man’s land reminds me of being on some of the lakes in Oklahoma, Missouri, and Arkansas.
In the summertime, all you see are trees on the hillsides surrounding the lake. In the late fall and winter the leafless trees expose dozens of roads homes.
I'm glad someone picked up and is using that boat you gave us a tour of awhile ago. Great to show that you don't need a half million dollar 5000HP thing to get out on the water.
I really can't give an opinion of what's going on with Chris's boat not tracking right without inspecting it, but check the anoide trim adjustment above the prop, which can be adjusted to compensate for prop torque. It's just an idea
The difference in tracking is in the hull bite in the water. A larger hull with a shallow draft will not track as well as a smaller hull with more draft. there are many add-ons that will help him like two fixed fins in the front, or a shallow ventral fin. Even loading his hull to allow it more draft.
It has 4 fins or I call them keels they are about 4 min inch deep 2 inch wide
Enjoyed the video, thanks for taking us along. I went to Michigan Tech back in the early 80's and explored that whole area on weekends including Freda, Lake Linden, Chassell, and Ontonagon/Porcupine SP, but always by road. Most of the land was owned by the mining companies and/or later bought by Mead (Northern Hardwoods Division). I think that preserved the wildness of the coast. Most private coastline properties being sold off only in the last 40 years or so.
Great video alot of great scenery and those caves there is bound to be some fish hiding there i would think.
I took a boat up to torch lake one time. Fun area. Had some luck casting a Mepps spinner on small mouth bass. Nice cruise. I like Chris's boat. She is a classic.
No wonder you high tail up the east coast that some nice boating and beautiful view to boot.
That looked so beautiful.
“An inch is as good as a mile, as long as you miss” 😉👍 That an interesting looking scooter. 🤔
Brenton, I would agree with David Lacey. The boat seems to be running a perfect level trim and with the Bimini on the bow the stern will attempt to push around the bow.
I would add weight to the stern and try it out. Get it about three or 4 inches below the bow, also we don’t know what the hull looks like under water, but it should have some form of a keel or skeg to help with tracking. Take care
Hi Tom, the bottom of Chris' boat is a lot like mine, in that it has shallow skegs or ridges that go along the bottom from front to back. I wonder how much it has to do with being a fairly tall, long and light boat?
@@brentonsriversidehermitage
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Yes, been a light craft and having a lot of windage is also a contributing factor. Test should be run up and down wind and on very calm Days to see if it can track with the stern sitting lower than the bow.
Great episode you live in such a beautiful place.
In reference to tracking and not knowing what the bottom of either boat is like but at least a 1 inch deep full length runner even ft apart would improve tracking without losing shallow draft and providing some hull protection. The Bimini top is great but it may track better in the down position when traveling in certain conditions as well. Call his boat Poky Hind Us. Or Skinny Dipper, Shallow Lady. Okay you just keep doing that thing that you do and we’ll keep watching with a great deal of envy. God bless my friend.
Skinny dipper or shallow lady would be work thank you
What do you think of fireflies Serenity ?
Man that was a super cool adventure bud! You hit all the cool spots...even the Freda ruins waterfall got a cameo!...Keep em coming captain! Thanks for sharing...Btw I wouldn't recommend eating fish from Torch lake...it's an EPA superfund site...just saying!!
Hey man ;) I've heard that about Torch lake. We got conflicting reported about it. Good thing we didn't catch any fish there! ;) enjoy paradise
Look at the vertical fin on the lower unit. It can be adjusted for tracking.
Think about Lee-Boards. One each side you can raise or lower. Common on flat barges.
Hi 👋 Brenton and Wavey 😊
Hi Greg! -Wavey ;)
Very enjoyable video. Thank you.
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Once again, you retrace my steps, 20 years ago. I did it with a 1984 Chris Craft Catalina 253, an I/O version the the 251, with my Weimaraner. Dam, I miss that boat and that dog. Although you have proved your seamanship many times in your travels documented by your videos, I would advise extreme caution on Lake Superior with that type of flat bottom, blunt bow, high center of gravity craft. As much as I love Lake Superior, she has scared the sh*t out of me on more than a few occasions. Another great video Brenton.
We're headed to the Apostles soon...;)
Love the title of the episode.
It's true! ;)
In '21we boated all the way around the Keweenaw in a day. That was our first time there & I look forward to going back again.
In '22 we put our boats in at the Hancock City Campground & spent a few days on Isle Royale.
I saw a video of a Holiday House camper trailer restoration that came up in my feed the other day.
@@kirkdesmond I'll look for that. They're really we're ahead of their time.
When you said wild and rugged, in my mind's eye I saw You chugging up the Amazon or the Orinoco River!
Like the movie. Its actually not bad buddy! But I love all movies with boats ;)
Yet another nice post thanks
Here's my thought about your buddy Chris's tracking issue. I have a small Jon Boat that I fish in. It's a very flat shaped semi-v and looks like it may be similar in shape to Chris's hull. What I believe is happening is that the waves move the boat to side because it's flat shaped and lacks a deep V that helps a boat track a line. I suggest he make himself some sort of Keel that he sticks down in the deeper water when it's not too shallow, similar to a sail boat's steering system.
Speaking of tracking, that guy on Jones World has a little hand held device. So he can steer from any where on the boat. Don't know much one would cost. You could put some runners/strakes under it .👍
@@billydaniel900 yes I watched his videos also I sure would like to have a remote control or on big lake like this Auto pilot that sure be nice on long day voyage
i think i have around 8 ft 1 or 2 on the front of my houseboat it would be tight under that bridge. should plug the holes in your motor well and put in a bilge pump. less water weight and more floating up in back end👍👍
My suggestion for what may be causing Chris' tracking problems, if it's a flat hull, he may not have any skeg like extensions running along the hull. I have plans for a boat called a Waterlodge Too, a 24' houseboat/shantyboat that comes from Glenn L Marine. It has two strips of wood that are attached to the barge like hull. I knew someone who built the 20' version of that boat and they did over 7,000 river miles on rivers from California to the Hudson in that boat. It stayed on a true line and we had that big river going house boat with a semi v type bow that became a flat hull from midships back to the stern. On its centerline, it had one of those skeg like structures on it and that boat steered and stayed straight and true. Chris may want to look at his hull the next time he hauls it out to see if he has such "skegs." If not, he may want to try to figure out how to put one or more of them on the bottom. Both the 20 and 24 foot versions of the Waterlodge, have two of them that run from bow to stern. This is really a beautiful area where you guys were cruising. Good luck in figuring out his tracking issues.
@michaelgarrity6090 thank you for your suggestions on this issue.
Neat looking bike out front. We are looking for ours and can't make up our minds what we need. Size and wait.
Hiboy sent us this one. It works great so far ;)
Could be he needs some more keel on that boat. Imagine two 2X6’s running the length of the hull parallel.
Does Chris" boat say NIMBLE anywhere on it? That would explain it! Agree on shifting weight toward the stern. Perhaps a Norms fin?
The Norms fin is a good idea. I think he's already on that
The deeper the outboard bites into the water the better the boat tracks, at a price, its the compromise between efficiency and control.
one reason your boat may track well is because your prop is currently deeper in the water. when you raise it on a jack plate see what happens.
Looks like you anchor winch is made by Armstrong 😀😉
That town ( Hope Hancock?) is lovely! I would absolutely love to live there! Away from the hustle and bustle, loudness and everyone probably speaks English there still! Hoke Hancock!
@@BR-bj3ot English...and Finnish! ;)
@@brentonsriversidehermitage and Yooper English - Say yah to da UP, eh!
Trac ribs, bonded
Torch lake very expensive area!! Iv done a lot of directional drilling in that area!;
How's the e-bike thats cool looks like it will be great for fuel runs
@hobartelam3799 for what it is, it's a cool little scoot. I might be getting a bigger one "the hauler" soon. This one is easy to zip around for short distances.
So, your wearing a coat and hat? It’s a little cooler here in Troy NY to. Did I mention that I think we’re taking a motorcycle trip up to Maine in September?
Yes sir Tom, headed to Maine this fall. I don't think it will be on 2 wheels, but I'll bring a motorcycle with us
Check steering cable. Might be loos or wore ought
Another great video. Thank you for taking us along. Um is that a puppy pic 🐶 of wavey on your solar controller???!!! My wife loves watching she’s a huge wavey fan . lol
I'll send you a sticker and post card. Send me your address? bnetz95959@yahoo.com
We pulled into the Washburn WI marina yesterday with our C-Dory, and my husband recognized your Nimble right away. Did you sell it?
We did;) to a fella right there in town. He's repowering it. After using the barge for almost a year, I realized I can take it almost everywhere I could take the Vagabond...including isle royal. I'm down to 2 boats (barge and fishing machine) trying to simplify down to a manageable life ;)
Torch Lake....Michael Moore has a home there...
How long is Chris’s front porch with the overhang? … and how much free board does he have?
The overhang is probably around 4 feet.
You need skegs on the bottom of the pontoons, three or four inches in hight will do.
@@James-zj9ky not pontoon boat
In one shot it looked like Chris's boat might lean to the left some, I wonder if that's consistently that way maybe that affects the tracking issue?
I know Chris has been experimenting with weight distribution to even it out. We have another long trip coming soon...
How high is your anchor light above the water?
TRACKING, try having him adjust the skeg on his motor.
Some boats are inherently bad at tracking. I have a 27 foot monohull with a IO that won’t track straight unless you’re up on a plane. if you’re going seven, 10 mph, you have to be at the wheel correcting constantly. it drives me crazy when I’m trying to conserve gas before I run out of it.
What did they produce at Freda?
Cool video
@@logoseven3365 I think it was a copper smelting plant
How did you pick your "Workhorse"? Was it new? Anything you'd do different?
I figured it was a food motor, being high thrust and EFI. I had to buy the pontoon and trailer with it, then sell the pontoon and trailer to recoup most of the money. It's been a great motor.
I guess this is as good a place as any to ask Brenton: Do you know the weight of your boat on the trailer?
I can take a guess: the trailer is a terrible monster in need of replacement. With the proper aluminum trailer under the barge, I'd guess 6k pounds? Maybe a bit less
@@brentonsriversidehermitage Thanks. Never had a chance to run it over a scale?
That town of Hancock looks like a an old industrial town, and many nice small towns in that area, it's like going back in time . And I see you have a different or new scooter?
I'm really loving that whole area, don't see a lot of people and the beaches look great. So maybe someday if I have to pack up and move, I should consider moving around there somewhere around there.. is property and rent reasonably priced in that area?
Howdy ;) an ebike company called "hiboy" sent us an e scooter to try out. So far it's fun and easy. I think you'd love it up here...summer ans fall. Winters are long and cold, good time to go elsewhere;)
Deep copper mines all up the Keweenaw peninsula to Copper Harbor. It is said there is still copper there but it costs too much to pull it out from mines that deep.
@@brentonsriversidehermitage sounds great. I'm Viking, so cold doesn't bother me too much, but you're right , great time take the boat to travel South for a bit
It's called clappotis when the waves hit a wall like that.
@@gregpackard2659 thank you!
I see you have a electric scooter how do you like it so far ?
It's very handy for short little jaunts to a store ,) 20 mile'ish range
What's it have for a keel ??
It has small (shallow) keels/runners down the length of the hull. 4 or 6...I can't remember. A lot like mine does
@brentonsriversidehermitage he might have to put a deeper keel or add 1 more on each side . I worked on houseboats for years , also try taking the trim tab off the lower unit , or check to see if it even has one
Does your dingy have the ability to put a sail on it?
I see it has a keel
Yes it does :) if you look up "Portland Pudgy" there's a lot of info about them. The company just sold to some new folks I believe and they're trying to promote them more.
Im good at fishing for about 20 minutes and if I don't get a bite I just figure there are no fish In the entire lake and quit.
Same!! Lol ;)
My kids never liked my cooking, I don’t get offended when the fish don’t.
I've learned to just enjoy the peace of being on the water and if the fish don't bite I just figure even the fish don't want to disturb my peacefulness.
The lil scooter you got looks kinda cool. Im assuming its electric...
Nope
@jasonalvey3194 yes sir ;) hiboy sent it to us ;)
@brentonsriversidehermitage I'll check them out. I'm a little over a mile from my job now and something like that would be ideal!
Chris doesn’t have any “skags” on the bottom of his boat
I wanted to see the fire works
@hobartelam3799 I'm sorry! Wavey was terrified. I should have taken some video out the windows
Probably not proud enough strakes. There should be at least 2 garboard strakes on either side of the keel.
issn't there a specific adjustment you spoosed to do on the motor... like peeeeehole spoosed to be 3 inches above the water at idle..... or something like that??? I rember that about what my dad had said looooooong time ago, and ''you have to be aware of where the motor pulls the water in!'' soo yea...
I believe so. I think mine is a little low
the ''peehole'' on the outboard boat motor I have the experience on/with, was on the very back of the spline V and part of the ''is it sittin right'' adjustment we had to do was specific location of that water exit ;) was what I rememmber... went from a 30 to a 60 on a 16' THOMSON WOODEN BOAT, engines were old tossaways that my dad rebuilt and set to using lol he was handy like that, did HVAC & PLUMBIN and WALK-IN COOLERS & FREEZERS ....
27:00 there has to be treasure hidden in those
Hi
Hi Logan;)
Kinda looks like the bald eagle’s nest.
@maggieward1892 that was a huge eagle too!
If his winch will pull the anchor through the sand, couldn't the boat?
Probably;) I think he was just playing around with it. First time on the new boat ;)
@@brentonsriversidehermitage We all like new toys! LOL!
hi
Hi Logan;)
Not a bad video but I think I need more cowbell.
Always! :) lol
It looks like you replaced your scooter with an electric one
For the time being;) Hiboy gave us a scooter to try out
IFJAW (instantfunjustaddwter) boat name woohoo