Billie said something similar 'I had a dream I got everything I wanted Not what you'd think And if I'm being honest It might've been a nightmare' A lot of famous people feel this way
@billyrainbow & @ theswiftologist For years, they did the same to Britney, too. Pushing her into having a psychotic break, encouraging the very same circumstances that led to the conservativeship, and G-d forbid you shave your effing head, man. Guess I'm manic for my Mohawk? The public loves to dehumanize, discredit, and destructively destroy those that they turn around to claim "FREE BRITNEY". Performative public pretending to be palatable and purpose driven. 😰🤬🤮
This is truly journalistic excellence. Thank you for coming at this video from a place of sympathy while also delivering a critical conversation. Bravo Zach!!!
I was just watching Shallon Lester and she was saying that she needs to just be grateful for it a little bit more. I love your nuanced take on this situation!
I know she makes pop music, but I don’t think Chappell ever wanted to be a pop star, I think she wanted to be a ROCK star. Her performances aren’t full of choreography with back up dancers, no intricate set designs or outfit changes. It’s just her, her band, dressed in themed outfits, simple graphics on the screens, instruments, a mic and her giving insane vocals. Everything about her from her stage presence to her online presence feels like it makes more sense when you separate her from her pop girl peers and view her from an alternative artist perspective.
That’s interesting insight. Her album is also called “The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess” which feels like an homage to “The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust” by David Bowie. And David Bowie is a queer icon who is of course one of the great rock and rollers.
@@imawakemymindisalive13i just saw her latest concert in Council Bluffs IA and she covered the rock song Barracuda by Heart. She said it was her favorite so I wouldn't be surprised if she started to incorporate more rock into her music.
@@jazzjas13 True but I feel like pop and rock aren't separate categories. I would be curious what is meant by her by her wanting to be a rock star. After all, all rock music is pop music in a technical sense. David Bowie was very much a pop star.
The best-case scenario is that Chappell figures out a way to work through all this and continues to make records. It would be a travesty for her to be run off at this point in her career. She's crazy talented.
I agree! Her new unreleased song The Subway is probably my favorite song by her and it makes me excited for what could come in a 2nd album. I really hope she comes to a nice balance in her life soon
She has such a powerful voice. The channel songs from a suitcase reacted to her and she’s a voice coach. Chappell has one of the best voices in the business right now
@@crystalkadletc1944 Really? She has a decent voice, but saying she's one of the best is too much. She's no Whitney Houston or Celine Dion, and you make her sound as such. She's a proficient singer, but in no way a vocal phenomenon.
@@mystique592 you should listen again, the note changes she does on her album, you can only do with years old classical training. I'm not going to put anyone down to lift her up, that's not my style, but I'd put her up there with Whitney.
the kpop rant actually ate... like i am so thankful i got off delulu kpop stan twitter it's so toxic i feel like any kpop video essays from u would eat, b/c people talk about it within the kpop space, but it'd be interesting to see it from a sorta outsiders pov that's not delusional and obsessed for their fav idol/group
omg SAME!! it’s my 5th year in kpop and being off twt has been so good for my mental health the past year. love the music and the idols but the fandoms are so nasty and it’s hard to see when you’re inside of it all sometimes how WILD it is 😭😭😭
I started to detach from kpop after 9 years. I still LOVE the music and admire the idols but now…ot changed. Twitter is the worst place ever, I hate the fandoms, and I just don’t have the bias thing anymore, I just like the music. As a beginner singer, I listen to the music and admire them, but I love the old songs more
Korean here.... To be honest, I think non-korean fans love K-pop because they don't get to see how toxic the industry is.... Kpop fans are toxic because the industry is toxic. I was really surprised when I first felt that it really was going global. Still wonders why so many american and european fans can be on board with the trainnee system that makes kpop kpop with your belif in freedom and individuality very inherent in your society. My friend once worked as a scouter for a Kpop company and it's basically grooming. You travel around the country to find kids even as young as 7 or 8 (it is always better to discover them young because that will reduce the risk of them making any stupid mistakes and leaving them online to stop future controversies from ever happening.) You basically lock them away from any opportunity for them to grow and learn. And the whole marketing around it here in Korea is not really about parasocial relationship between fans and artists. It's parasocial ROMANTIC relationships. The friend I'm talking about quit her job when she started to look at elementary school kids and immediately think of what kinds of plastic surgeory they would need to make them look perfect. So guys.... you should remember you don't see the whole picture. I personally think it's the same as when you buy cheap clothes from H&M or whatever, but you never think about the measures clothing companies might have taken to reduce the costs, like child lobors in the 3rd world countries because it's not visible? You really see them just look perfect, sound perfect, and dance the crazy chereographies and think Wow they are so talented and amazing? I don't think I will love seeing swiftologist talk about kpop... I know how it will go.
As a Chappell stan, I approve this message. In all seriousness, I have to say that you are one of the few commentators about pop culture that is able to be objective and fair about pop stars, but particularly here. One of the things I love the most about Chappell is her authenticity and I can’t remember if it was you or another creator who said in another video that people love the idea of their faves being authentic, but in practice tend to hate it. I agree with her stance on fame and politics and I think she should say it, and I also I agree with you that a publicist could help her say it in a way that might make it harder for her words to be misconstrued or taken out of context. And yes, girl desperately needs a real break.
They want their stars to be like a bunch of mass produced “Shabby Chic” Modern Farmhouse trinkets that you find for sale in a Hobby Lobby. Like sure they have a scuffed up appearance and the colors look a bit faded like it’s been in the loft of some barn somewhere for like a century but they’re still mass produced in the same factories that make all the other baubles there’s just painted with a more pastel chalk paint and there’s a guy who’s job it is to go at it with a piece of sandpaper before it gets shipped out to consumers
Honestly i love that Chappell is acting like a real person and not just a professional celebrity machine like most other pop stars it’s a breath of fresh air to see her act so lively and genuine and not just like a shy demure sweet heart if i was a celebrity I would do the same exact thing as her
I will point out the misogyny of all of this. Everyone bows down and praises Keanu Reeves for the fact that he never touches his fans when taking pictures. He's kind and will chat. But knows how to get out and have his own life. All this has made him even MORE famous and even MORE popular with fans.
@@gumbodance reading comprehension is needed for this subject. His boundary is that he doesn’t want to touch his fans when it’s very popular to get a hug or a handshake from a celebrity.
@@elainekellogg6345 it wouldn’t matter if he was. Hozier is yelling at his fans in order to build a boundary to protect his girlfriend from harassment and he’s not being nice about it. But no body is here complaining that he’s been rude because it’s warranted
The lack of nuanced discussion actually KILLS me. Everything you said in this video is what’s been on my mind for the last couple weeks. Chappell definitely needs to step back, let the public “forget” about her for one second and return with either new material or something that will rehabilitate her position in the public’s view.
I love this video, and agree that she needs a publicist, but not for the reasons braindead stan twitter thinks. I think she needs a publicist who will help her articulate her thoughts so they’re fool-proof, rather than one who would tell her not to say something at all and hold back.
Perfection!! I'm older and I'm personally loving this young lady speak her mind. It's the audience who needs to listen. Let her say whatever she wants, let her take back things in the future, let her add things in the future etc etc. Let her speak how she feels so she won't end up sad one day or worse than sad. She makes us see what fame is truly like and it's not always appealing. She worries about her family too being harassed because of her fame. It's all legit feelings. Let her feel.
The K pop segment is so real. I don't really listen to Kpop music, but Iv'e heard stories and seen crazy fans online do crazy things... this must be stopped
Maybe she would do down the Fiona Apple route: she would release music and appearances whenever she likes. But yeah, Chappell should do with her career whatever works for her.
Another masterful think piece Zach. Congrats! You know, Chappell's situation reminds me a bit of how Marina's fans were constantly whining that she should be bigger making her feel like a failure, until she realised and admitted publicly that the level of fame people wanted for her would have completely messed her up. I think you really hit it in the head with Chappell not really wanting this level of fame. She probably just wanted to be a gay icon like Christine & The Queens, for example, a respected artist with a strong fan base and a couple crossover hits, than a full blown popstar.
I agree, and at the same time I wonder why she went for the VMAs instead of the concerts she had to cancel due to scheduling conflicts (as she put it) that had been booked for months prior. If she wanted to be more "niche", I can only assume she'd have chosen the concerts over the VMAs. I have the feeling she recognises that opportunities such as the VMAs can bring her even more resources to put more music out / do more with her art in the future, and that there may be some "sunken cost fallacy" playing a role in there (she worked *so* hard to be where she is now, that she may feel she has to take every next big opportunity that comes her way, even if that means that it all comes with added drawbacks in the shape of becoming more and more famous, more and more known).
This was a great video. The last couple of months I’ve repeatedly thought why is she still booking shows and making appearance when she’s clearly having a hard time. The love/hate stage you mentioned really made sense. I agree that she needs to take significant time off and really focus on her mental health. That way, fans aren’t disappointed when she cancels and she can hopefully actually make some progress.
I think she keeps performing because she adores it. People that say, "just quit if you can't take it, " aren't seeing the love/hate relationship. You can love the stage and the fans and the music and still hate the fame. You can say that's unrealistic, but it's human for her to feel this way and understandable.
@@elliepractice1954 I wrote my comment pretty quickly. Your comment was excellent and I probably didn't even need to reply. I totally think Chappell needs to go offline for a while. It seems like she's chronically online and I think it is to the detriment of her mental health at this point.
It's always interesting when people say "Chappell has to suck up and deal with harassment because it's part of fame" when the issue can be directly stopped or mitigated by those exact people - WE as a general are the people harassing her and WE can stop !
Unfortunately some people just have no empathy, and those select few morons will never stop harassing. Be that bc of jealousy or just people being psychos, nothing can make this behavior okay. There’s of course a *normal* way to talk to celebrities when you see them in public, and Chappell has obviously been burned so many times already. It’s so sad to see. Hayley Williams is a regular at my work and she keeps coming back bc we’re not fucking weird to her
@@elainekellogg6345 this comment is not conducive to finding a solution. This comment is the real world equivalent to ignoring sexual harassment because “you can only control yourself” and the victim should just put up with it. Instead, we’re here today talking to said harassers in order to educate our actions instead of ignoring them. In fact, Chappell herself has said that she’s been treated much better in public since making her video about the boundary
That’s like telling people not to drink and drive-it’s obvious, but it won’t stop everyone. Sure, there are rules and norms, but expecting everyone to act perfectly is unrealistic. I figured this out when I was 15, working as a bag boy at a grocery store. Every day, I dealt with people who lacked basic social skills or self-awareness. Some even made me feel uneasy or unsafe, and I was just a random teenager working to buy food, beer, and weed. If I learned this at 15, someone like Chappell, who’s in the public eye, should’ve known better. She comes off as either naive or someone looking for excuses to lash out. Honestly, she seems like a narcissist using her status as a weapon and calling it “artistry.”
Measured, fair, and well-researched. THIS is why we keep coming back to the Swiftologist people!!! Slander? It could never be me. Thanks for this summary, Zack! You hit it out of the park per usual!
I think its important here to recognize that "we" dont think those behaviors are normal. "We" as a larger collective dont do crazy things like that. One of the problems here is that she is addressing crazy behaviors that most of us can recognize are *crazy* and therefore assume that she must be overreacting because we would never do that. If you ever waited outside an airport or a hotel to see a celebrity, you are the problem.
That’s a problem in and of itself though. If that’s not how you behave, why discredit her experience or take it personally? It’s a fact that people behave in crazy ways, that should not be a surprise to anyone in 2024
If you were even a little bit in celebrity fandom spaces, you would realize just how many people do this. Chappell shouldn’t have to explain how she’s been sexually harassed by fans in public just for us to understand why she would want a boundary. She shouldnt have to have a reason to be hurt to justify her reaction. She should be listened to and WE (yes you and I) shouldn’t go “oh she’s overreacting” because we don’t know her and that is a brain worm given to you by misogyny
@MoMo-ke1iq I was quite clear that I believe her and did not say she was overreacting. You might want to reread my comment. I was specifically addressing this content creator literally stating that they participated in this behavior and implied that this is a regular occurance. It's not. Fandom is a small community in relation to the rest of society and just because something is perceived as normal in a fandom space does not mean it is. these behaviors are *crazy* and people who participate in them, i.e. this creator apparently, are the problem.
I would LOVE a video of you taking about the crazy k-pop stalker fans because this is INSANE and someone NEEDS to talk about it and how It's not normal!!❤
I was listening to California the other day and BAWLING my eyes out, I can’t even imagine how she feels right now. Swiftologist thank you for all of your hard work, I’ve been a Bestie Lite on the patreon and a lizard review member since TTPD dropped, you guys make my days so much brighter and I just want to thank you for all of the laughs and smiles and pop momensos!!!!!
Zach this is magnificent. You’ve really sussed out some kind of deep beating heart of another part of the human experience. Describing the horrors of fame. And the crazy human desire to build someone up and watch them fall. In another note, the semi casual comment you made about your adhd experience really planted a seed in me and rang some alarm bells. That just might be the root of so many of my issues. Although adhd for women is much more complicated and difficult to navigate. Regardless, I’m hopefully that might change my life for the better. I really appreciate your speaking about your experience
Thank you so much for this. There are a handful of other creators I follow who have covered this, but yours is the first I clicked on because I knew you were gonna fucking cook. And you definitely did. I really hope Chappell does take a break and finds a way to navigate this while still holding boundaries. I really do respect her calling fame out for the insanity it is, but I also really want her to get a publicist and media training. For her sake. To protect her from needless and preventable backlash. I want her to still be able to love creating art and that this doesn’t turn her away from what she’s worked so hard to do.
OMG IM SO GLAD RUclips RECOMMENDED YOU TO ME. Its been a whilee since I watched such a well constructed well informed video essay. i was literally mesmerized and loved all your points. Please keep making videos like this, new sub ❤
Being here this early is crazy!! The way that a celebration can be praised and then dropped is incredibly shocking. It's reasons like these artists don't want to go mainstream. People are not taking this seriously and Chappel is still a new artist adjusting to the fame. Thank you for this video, have a great day Zach :)
I went to the last show of her tour Thursday. She had a lovely message for the crowd. It was such good energy. I saw her open for OR last April and the difference in her fame from that concert to this one is wild.
There are too many people that surround these artists that might not always have their best interests at heart. The very nature of them being commodities places them in peril. Who could possibly think that doing 80 odd shows in a matter of months isn’t a recipe for mental strain ? This on top of navigating an unnatural state of fame…
Great analysis of Clara Bow! I saw someone say that song was about Travis Kelce and I almost went crazy… people do not understand underlying themes and metaphors anymore…
@@stranger_inthealps I’ve seen a lot of people say stuff about Clara Bow like “oh she’s talking about Sabrina” “it’s about Olivia” but like I don’t think that song is about any pop girl in particular, like it’s just about the whole industry in general and nobody specific
@@phoenixfritzinger9185EXACTLY like it’s not a specific person, it’s the new generation of pop stars who will take her place and continue the cycle. Idk why people need it to just be one person.
Thoughtful as usual 😊I hope Roan of Arc finds therapy that fits her needs 🌟ACT helps accept feelings & commit to actions that align w/ core values. CBT emphasizes change. Both methods assert that you can’t change others’ views (artist vs pop star) only your own🤗 take care
Honestly i really appreciate Chappell being open and honest, fans should’ve been called out a long time ago for creepy behavior and she’s just one of the first ones to do it. I really hope pr training dies cause I’m tried of filtered answers, and especially in the age of social media and specifically Twitter people will always misconstrue your words regardless of what you say so why not say exactly how you feel🤷🏼♀️ subtlety is dead let’s stop acting like it isn’t
wellllll....you can't just say whatever you feel whenever you want no matter who you are or what you do lol. we live in a society where we have a social contract...it is simply not practical to say whatever thought enters your brain whenever.
@@theswiftologist I’m not saying “Speech without consequence” or that “Harmful” or “Reckless” speech is ok, what I’m saying is that I’m happy that we are in an era where celebrities specifically pop girls can be way more direct with their feelings, and emotions with out it being sifted through by a PR team/hirer ups if the star does not want that. Yes it’s not perfect, but again nothing is so why not be transparent if you choose to do so
How refreshing you are. You are insanely articulate, researched, intelligent and extremely entertaining. Keep on, you are a breath of fresh air in this very manipulated industry. So many props.
Zach currently enjoys Blackpink and Katseye (altho they only kinda count haha)! He’s mentioned before that it’s kind of hard for him to connect to K-Pop as it’s a different language (and he tends to need to connect to lyrics and stuff). I def hope he’d be able to enjoy more K-Pop content someday!
"I think Chappell is becoming aware of the phoniness of this promise sooner why because she doesnt want it that bad" you hit the nail on the head with this one Zach
It feels like everyone is sharing their hot takes on Chappell Roan and none of the takes I've been seeing have any kind of nuance outside of Friendly Space Ninja. I'm glad that our resident Chappellologist is approaching this latest discourse with empathy. I heard this take that if Chappell was a dude, the mainstream media wouldn't give her any shit.
Exactlyyyy! If it was a dude, no one would give a single fuck. Male pop stars, generally, *never* have to do as much work for their image and persona as the girls do, and sometimes they’re just as successful. Ed Sheeran for example can just stand up there in some jeans, a t shirt, and his guitar, and still sell millions. That’s amazing that he can still do so well with that, but female singers can never get away with that
As someone that has a personality disorder like Chappel, I appreciate the way you’re handling this topic and how you’re trying to make ppl understand that this isn’t what the public makes it out to be. She isn’t a “diva” or not “cut out for this”, is her right to feel and take the time she needs to process this conflicting feelings that come with being a sensation. Thank you Zach, can’t wait for you to have your own show!
Zachary you’re wonderful. The way you word stuff and address situations in such an elegant and respectful manner is deserving of praise. I finished the whole video and, as a wannabe artist (that does want this badly)I appreciate the way you put into perspective the quote: “you can get what you wish for but it won’t be enough”. In cases like Chappel’s, we see a person that just sees the industry as a way of making people feel seen and represented, while we have cases like Taylor’s in which fame is their whole life. I identify with Taylor more and that’s why I love this video. I think every artist that wants to live of their art should watch this video. A quote I came up with says: “the biggest performance of an artist isn’t on the stage, but off of it, when the whole world is still looking at them, waiting for them to break” and this video encapsulated that perfectly. Props to you for delivering such an objective and empathetic piece of work, as always, is a pleasure to listen to you!!
Do you take meds? Our son is bipolar, and won't take his meds, he is a very vindictive person, if he feels slighted he will get back at you, like letting all indoor your declawed (fronts only) cats outside, 3 came back and the 4th it took 6 weeks before he came back. We have not seen him since 2018. It is an evil disease.
@@Violet316 i have bipolar ii and i do take meds (Lamictal). i got diagnosed at the beginning of this year and my psychiatrist said that if i don’t take meds episodes would escalate over time and lead into psychosis. so i’ll be sticking to them forever. i’m very sorry to hear about your son. i told my mom during my first episode that the things i was thinking and wanting to do weren’t aligning with who i am at all. i’m sure it is the same for your son-unless he was like that before his onset, then that’s a different story. some people choose to live without but meds are very important for a lot of people with BD. i hope you, him, and your family all find healing someday.
@@candyapple5389 I somehow doubt that he has done even more horrible things, in 2018 he abandoned his first child at school and told him to go to Nonnies house (me), we now have full custody, Matthew is autistic, his new wife, wife #3 didn't want him, but they kept is higher functioning brother who we haven't seen since 2018. 3 weeks ago we found out he gave our youngest grandson away to his 3rd wife's family and we don't know where Kaiden is, We hope he is alive, his wife had been in prison for child abuse, neglect, and drugs, and our son met her when she was on work release. They got married within 3 months after she got out of prison. Thanks for the nice thoughts, but we won't put ourselves through what he has done to us and the lies he told people about us again. For you I say, your self-awareness should keep you on the right path.
Me too, I have BP too and this would send me into a psychosis and can only pray that Chappell looks after her mental health and can continue to create such sensational, fantastic music! ❤😊
taylor and i had been on a break since 2017 and even back then i hadn’t ever considered myself a swiftie. then in may of this year i heard guilty as sin from stockholm. my mind consumed the next week a friend introduced me to pink pony club. this 2 mommy cosmos i’m currently inhabiting is the richest one i’ve yet found! gone back and experienced taylor’s entire catalog with new ears… chappell is the perfect counterpoint to taylor… which mommy is the yin, which the yang? haha zach, your outfit in this video is perfect and as always your views are illuminating
Another fascinating video Zach! I think, because Chappell is breaking the mould and touching the hearts of people that wouldn’t normally be mainstream pop fans, she won’t just be harassed by paparazzi for a picture and more the people that feel like they know her and feel seen by her.
I so, so hope she ignites the next generation of pop stars to have rock solid boundaries. Good for her. The parasocial relationship with celebrities has gone way too fuckin far. We all know -those- Swifties who truly believe taylor actually their bestie, etc. It's not normal.
I am consistently impressed by the quality of your analysis, connecting of dots, and insights. It is the main reason I watch all your videos, including the ones on topics I would normally pass by. Thanks for your time making this content!
Honestly Zach I love your videos so much, because it’s helped open my eyes to how invasive the relationships stars have with their fans can be. I’m sixteen and for a long LONG time, I’ve fed into it, it feels like they know you, that they love you. But it’s not true. The whole situation with Chappell and the way you go over it so well has really helped me understand and realize how badly these relationships can weigh on a pop star. So thanks for that diva!!! 💖
Any level of fame can be unsettling. As I gain recognition in my industry with my own brand, I'm starting to see certain events and locations becoming more about business than enjoyment. Constantly being approached for conversation can make it difficult to switch off from work mode. You find it hard to say no when approached. It's merely impossible to do it without being perceived as rude. I find myself avoiding places I used to love due to this newfound attention. While it may seem minor, the impact on my personal life is already noticeable.
Wow this was great! I can definitely relate when you speak about being so aware of how you feel, being so introspective that it’s actually detrimental. As much as therapy is great, I actually think it can sometimes be harmful, depending on the therapist, for someone like that. In order for me to get out of my pessimism and negative thought loops, I need to focus on someone or something other than myself. Giving, charity, volunteer work, etc. get outside of yourself and focus on other people!!
Absolutely LOVE listening to your take on pop music. You are so thoughtful & thorough. I'm an old lady that recently fell in love with Taylor's songwriting. Was hoping you'd speak on Chappell... You're so good!!! Thank you Zach💙
The way you so succinctly & eloquently summed up the downside to overindulgent navelgazing from the 0:50 mark (through 1:10) was incredibly effective and epiphany-inducing, for real! Chef's kiss!! 🙌🏻 Self-reflection can be truly life-changing when exercised in moderation, but as with anything else today, the moderation element is what so many are disregarding. Too much of a good thing can induce the opposite effect and end up serving as a personal blockade instead. Spending too long in a self-indulgent pitiful hole pickles the human soul. Gotta come up for fresh air and sunshine! Definitely think this applies to Chappell Roan, as well as to many others of her same generation (along with many in my generation as well, the millennials). Zack, you might have legit just solved an impending human crises here with this much needed assessment! It applies much more broadly than just to a new pop star experiencing growing pains with fame. THANK YOU!!! 🙌🏻
A good summary is Chappell's: "I don't want the world but I'll take this city", she wanted it in some "middle" level only but not the horrifically huge level she got to now where her life was fully taken away for a new one 😢
I fully support her being herself, enforcing boundaries, and trying to protect her peace. I think I just struggle with the fact that she just doesn’t seem to enjoy fame. You can’t constantly play festivals and award shows and all that and expect to be able to live a normal life. As suffocating and disappointing as I’m sure that is for her, you just can’t have it both ways. Especially not in our hyper-connected world. I don’t think she’s being “difficult” I just think she clearly needs to take a break and seriously consider if being famous is healthy for her.
7:20, she says that but goes on the biggest venues possible like the VMAs and cancels shows to do such things. I used to like her around 8/10 and even saw her in concert at the beginning of the year, then she just started saying some absurd things like comparing fame to an abusive husband and it just got out of hand. I'm down to liking her around 4/10 and haven't listened to her music as much. She is getting overexposed and her lack of media training is evident. I'm not a hater, I was on the verge of becoming a stan before but not anymore. I would categorize myself as a mild fan. Thanks for your video!
Seeing Chappell being so genuine just makes us, that are capable of comprehension and critical thinking, love her even more! This is why I also love Kelly Clarkson, she’s always unapologetically herself and always authentic. I NEEEEED Chappell to go on Kelly’s show and be interviewed and sing some songs together 🗣️💞
its nice to hear your take on this aside from the tidbits like on the vmas stream, it's always a very well thought out opinion that you share with us and i appreciate it
I'm only seven minutes into the vid but I have to say that first, you look gorgeous in that shirt. Second, I really hope Chappell Roan gets a pr team because I don't think it worth it having an 'honest' and 'unfiltered' celebrity at the cost of a woman's mental health and perhaps her career in the long run. Ok now I'll keep watching 😊
When you talk about the human rights that celebrities are supposed to opt out of, it made me think of some of the debates I've been in concerning the monarchy in Sweden; there you have children who are actually born into lives which are constitutionally exempt from the human rights of other children. I would guess that's true for other monarchies as well, but I hadn't really thought about it regarding celebrities. Like, does the fact that they one time agreed to or even worked hard for the fame mean that they are not allowed to ever resent being public property? I honestly don't understand how they don't all go batshit crazy.
I just love the irony in the fact that I saw numerous comments glamorizing her lack of publicity training because they wanted something “real” and now that she was actually exercising said realness they turn on her and they wonder why that’s an unobtainable reality for a celebrity to have!
@@tylerbucklin6871 the people don’t actually want “real” they want like, distressed pre-ripped jeans from like SHEIN. Edgy and raw on a superficial level but still coming from the same factory that makes everything else new and shiny
Wow, Zack. This is so thoughtful and well crafted. I have had to stay away from Chappell discourse because it's been harmful to my own mental health due to the unhinged opinions haphazardly thrown around by casual fans. I took a chance on this video because I usually appreciate your level headed, thoughtful videos and I'm glad I did. Well done.
Zach you’re just so incredibly articulate and you handle the nuances of this subject with such skill. This is the definitive video on this subject. You covered so much of all the sides I feel have been lacking in other discourse I’ve seen. So happy you share your talent with us ❤
This video helped me realize why motherhood has been so hard for me (and many others!). It is traumatic to suddenly not be able to do the things you once enjoyed & have the freedom to go places on a whim. I totally realize it’s completely different than fame, but something about the way you described this really just clicked with me. I love my children and I WOULD CHOOSE to sacrifice for them!! But that doesn’t mean that I don’t feel grief. Thank you for your amazing content ❤️
"comparing two queens" LOLOLOLOLOLOLO! I spit my water everywhere! You make me laugh! I've been watching for quite a while and I really enjoy you and your videos! Keep up the great work, I'd miss ya if you weren't around! XO from Colorado!
Have just remembered the playback speed options and discovered my feel good resp. catch/comprehend most playback speed of your broadcasts is 75 or if, such as today, have had an excruciating day at work 50%. Grew up in England partly as a child, but German born, and found myself constantly rewinding your videos (which got to be a pain in the arse), but this function is a gift and revelation.
Fantastic as usual Zach. I'm so concerned in general about the loss of media literacy (and all literacy, let's be real) and I'm not sure what the solution could be. All I can hope is that thoughtful and intelligent commentary like yours reaches enough young people that it starts to have a positive effect on how we process and interact online and IRL. It's very scary to think about losing the ability to have healthy discourse and debate.
Chappell really helped me through some dark patches of my life, and I treasure the luxury of grow up with her music. At the same time, I really want to respect her privacy, but it's frustrating that there's really nothing we can do about it. Thanks for bringing this issue with celeb culture to light Zach.
What I don’t understand is a popular talking point in response to her not always wanting to interact in public- “the fans gave you your success and fame so be grateful!”. People act like the public picked a random woman off the street and graciously gifted her money. She EARNED it by WORKING for it. By making music and performing. That is the exchange. You buy an album, you get to listen. You buy a ticket, you get a concert. Artists ARE giving you something. Why are they expected to give up so much else for us too? She didn’t ask for you to be so obsessed with her as a person that you have to harass her in public. It’s so self-important. I understand this behavior is a normalized part of our culture and it’s difficult to just up and change, but the amount of defense I’ve seen of it makes me feel insane.
@theswiftologist ofcourse ive watched every chappell segment on your opinion reaction videos but a full video on chappell roan? we just got FED, love your work 💕💕
journalistic excellence 👏🏼 as always ❤️🔥 may i ask which microphone you‘re using in your videos? i‘m a youtube-colleague from germany and i absolutely adore your sound quality 😭 thanks so much in advance and keep up the great work! your channel has become one of my favs ever since i discovered you 💖
Hi Zach! I found your channel around a year ago and you've quickly become one of my favorite creators. Your smart and informed takes are so refreshing to hear. I think this video might be my favorite of yours, thank you for talking about this and adding to the conversation the parasocialism and fan culture in kpop. Also I love your look on this video! ❤
Thanks Zach, such an intelligent well thought out observation. Spot on. So many excellent points. You are sublime. Loved the K Pop take n T Swift take as well. Thanks! ❤ from 🇦🇺
only 9 minutes in and i can already say this is the most insightful and nuanced think piece i’ve seen on chappell’s dilema thus far, thank u for not being insane🙏
Every time I pray for a certain video from you, you never cease to deliver it expeditiously… been a fan of yours for years and you’ve remained my #1 since
Fantastic reporting, supportive without letting empathy carry you away. And your supportive statements every time you made a comment on her behavior are necessary because so many people are just waiting to jump, either to criticize or defend. That girl really does need a rest.
Another great video! I don’t comment much on yt but I started *really* watching your content when you made the born to die video and was just struck. I just love your writing and the way you deliver it. I mostly watch documentaries about history and art, you’re basically the only youtuber I really like watching especially with how you still have your own values and beliefs despite being a taylor fan (the billionaire video was so informative and just great) given the reputation her fanbase has was very refreshing. Just wanted to say you are absolutely awesome at what you do!
I always feel like this is the kind of thing that Olivia Rodrigo meant by saying ‘I got the things I wanted, it's just not what I imagined.’
me too!!
facts!! i’ve always said the biggest performance of an artist isn’t on the stage but out of it when the public can’t stop looking at their every move
FR
Billie said something similar
'I had a dream
I got everything I wanted
Not what you'd think
And if I'm being honest
It might've been a nightmare'
A lot of famous people feel this way
“And I tell someone I love them just as a distraction
They tell me that they love me like I'm some tourist attraction”
it’s so refreshing being able to have nuanced conversations about chappell rather than the constant polarized takes everyone on tiktok has of her
period!!
The internet's ability to simultaneously scream "FREE BRITNEY" while criticising Chappell for standing up for herself is so insane.
EXACTLY
Preach!
They never realize until it is too late.
period.
@billyrainbow & @ theswiftologist For years, they did the same to Britney, too. Pushing her into having a psychotic break, encouraging the very same circumstances that led to the conservativeship, and G-d forbid you shave your effing head, man. Guess I'm manic for my Mohawk?
The public loves to dehumanize, discredit, and destructively destroy those that they turn around to claim "FREE BRITNEY".
Performative public pretending to be palatable and purpose driven. 😰🤬🤮
This is truly journalistic excellence. Thank you for coming at this video from a place of sympathy while also delivering a critical conversation. Bravo Zach!!!
thank you for watching!!
this is why we appreciate Zach so much in this space
@@xFolkmore so true
Couldn’t agree more! 🙌
I was just watching Shallon Lester and she was saying that she needs to just be grateful for it a little bit more. I love your nuanced take on this situation!
I know she makes pop music, but I don’t think Chappell ever wanted to be a pop star, I think she wanted to be a ROCK star. Her performances aren’t full of choreography with back up dancers, no intricate set designs or outfit changes. It’s just her, her band, dressed in themed outfits, simple graphics on the screens, instruments, a mic and her giving insane vocals. Everything about her from her stage presence to her online presence feels like it makes more sense when you separate her from her pop girl peers and view her from an alternative artist perspective.
if she goes rock i’ll go crazy i love her already but as a rock star??? omfg i’d be seated
That’s interesting insight. Her album is also called “The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess” which feels like an homage to “The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust” by David Bowie. And David Bowie is a queer icon who is of course one of the great rock and rollers.
@@imawakemymindisalive13i just saw her latest concert in Council Bluffs IA and she covered the rock song Barracuda by Heart. She said it was her favorite so I wouldn't be surprised if she started to incorporate more rock into her music.
@@jazzjas13 True but I feel like pop and rock aren't separate categories. I would be curious what is meant by her by her wanting to be a rock star. After all, all rock music is pop music in a technical sense. David Bowie was very much a pop star.
@@loadishstonethey’re similar in that they’re commercially successful. they’re very different in sound and aesthetic approach.
The best-case scenario is that Chappell figures out a way to work through all this and continues to make records. It would be a travesty for her to be run off at this point in her career. She's crazy talented.
sayyyy that
I agree! Her new unreleased song The Subway is probably my favorite song by her and it makes me excited for what could come in a 2nd album. I really hope she comes to a nice balance in her life soon
She has such a powerful voice. The channel songs from a suitcase reacted to her and she’s a voice coach. Chappell has one of the best voices in the business right now
@@crystalkadletc1944 Really? She has a decent voice, but saying she's one of the best is too much. She's no Whitney Houston or Celine Dion, and you make her sound as such. She's a proficient singer, but in no way a vocal phenomenon.
@@mystique592 you should listen again, the note changes she does on her album, you can only do with years old classical training. I'm not going to put anyone down to lift her up, that's not my style, but I'd put her up there with Whitney.
the kpop rant actually ate... like i am so thankful i got off delulu kpop stan twitter it's so toxic
i feel like any kpop video essays from u would eat, b/c people talk about it within the kpop space, but it'd be interesting to see it from a sorta outsiders pov that's not delusional and obsessed for their fav idol/group
omg SAME!! it’s my 5th year in kpop and being off twt has been so good for my mental health the past year. love the music and the idols but the fandoms are so nasty and it’s hard to see when you’re inside of it all sometimes how WILD it is 😭😭😭
@@now_chemical it took me explaining the wonyoung strawberry thing to an irl to get how insane kpop standom is...
I started to detach from kpop after 9 years. I still LOVE the music and admire the idols but now…ot changed. Twitter is the worst place ever, I hate the fandoms, and I just don’t have the bias thing anymore, I just like the music. As a beginner singer, I listen to the music and admire them, but I love the old songs more
@@skyofbob I don't think people will look at me the same when I say I am a kpop fan after I explain whatever the hell wonyoungs hate train was...
Korean here.... To be honest, I think non-korean fans love K-pop because they don't get to see how toxic the industry is.... Kpop fans are toxic because the industry is toxic. I was really surprised when I first felt that it really was going global. Still wonders why so many american and european fans can be on board with the trainnee system that makes kpop kpop with your belif in freedom and individuality very inherent in your society. My friend once worked as a scouter for a Kpop company and it's basically grooming. You travel around the country to find kids even as young as 7 or 8 (it is always better to discover them young because that will reduce the risk of them making any stupid mistakes and leaving them online to stop future controversies from ever happening.) You basically lock them away from any opportunity for them to grow and learn. And the whole marketing around it here in Korea is not really about parasocial relationship between fans and artists. It's parasocial ROMANTIC relationships. The friend I'm talking about quit her job when she started to look at elementary school kids and immediately think of what kinds of plastic surgeory they would need to make them look perfect. So guys.... you should remember you don't see the whole picture. I personally think it's the same as when you buy cheap clothes from H&M or whatever, but you never think about the measures clothing companies might have taken to reduce the costs, like child lobors in the 3rd world countries because it's not visible? You really see them just look perfect, sound perfect, and dance the crazy chereographies and think Wow they are so talented and amazing? I don't think I will love seeing swiftologist talk about kpop... I know how it will go.
As a Chappell stan, I approve this message. In all seriousness, I have to say that you are one of the few commentators about pop culture that is able to be objective and fair about pop stars, but particularly here. One of the things I love the most about Chappell is her authenticity and I can’t remember if it was you or another creator who said in another video that people love the idea of their faves being authentic, but in practice tend to hate it. I agree with her stance on fame and politics and I think she should say it, and I also I agree with you that a publicist could help her say it in a way that might make it harder for her words to be misconstrued or taken out of context. And yes, girl desperately needs a real break.
that was meeee that said that, thank you for watching diva!! xx
@@theswiftologist 😘
They want their stars to be like a bunch of mass produced “Shabby Chic” Modern Farmhouse trinkets that you find for sale in a Hobby Lobby. Like sure they have a scuffed up appearance and the colors look a bit faded like it’s been in the loft of some barn somewhere for like a century but they’re still mass produced in the same factories that make all the other baubles there’s just painted with a more pastel chalk paint and there’s a guy who’s job it is to go at it with a piece of sandpaper before it gets shipped out to consumers
@@phoenixfritzinger9185ur comment is absolute literary art
Idk, the more she rants the more I love her. She’s telling it how it truly is.
Honestly i love that Chappell is acting like a real person and not just a professional celebrity machine like most other pop stars it’s a breath of fresh air to see her act so lively and genuine and not just like a shy demure sweet heart if i was a celebrity I would do the same exact thing as her
I will point out the misogyny of all of this. Everyone bows down and praises Keanu Reeves for the fact that he never touches his fans when taking pictures. He's kind and will chat. But knows how to get out and have his own life. All this has made him even MORE famous and even MORE popular with fans.
Because he’s not rude about it?
@@janisvaro4949 that isn't misogyny it's 2 totally different things. He doesn't touch women out of respect for women. Weird comment.v
@@gumbodance reading comprehension is needed for this subject. His boundary is that he doesn’t want to touch his fans when it’s very popular to get a hug or a handshake from a celebrity.
@@elainekellogg6345 it wouldn’t matter if he was. Hozier is yelling at his fans in order to build a boundary to protect his girlfriend from harassment and he’s not being nice about it. But no body is here complaining that he’s been rude because it’s warranted
@@MoMo-ke1iq is he whining online about it
The lack of nuanced discussion actually KILLS me. Everything you said in this video is what’s been on my mind for the last couple weeks. Chappell definitely needs to step back, let the public “forget” about her for one second and return with either new material or something that will rehabilitate her position in the public’s view.
CHAPPELLOLOGIST IS BACK WE CHEERED🎉🎉
well yesssss
YESSS
I love this video, and agree that she needs a publicist, but not for the reasons braindead stan twitter thinks. I think she needs a publicist who will help her articulate her thoughts so they’re fool-proof, rather than one who would tell her not to say something at all and hold back.
Please keep on making such smart & eloquent dissection videos about pop culture!!
as long as you keep watching!!
@@theswiftologistobviously !! 🫶
Perfection!! I'm older and I'm personally loving this young lady speak her mind. It's the audience who needs to listen. Let her say whatever she wants, let her take back things in the future, let her add things in the future etc etc. Let her speak how she feels so she won't end up sad one day or worse than sad. She makes us see what fame is truly like and it's not always appealing. She worries about her family too being harassed because of her fame. It's all legit feelings. Let her feel.
The K pop segment is so real. I don't really listen to Kpop music, but Iv'e heard stories and seen crazy fans online do crazy things... this must be stopped
Maybe she would do down the Fiona Apple route: she would release music and appearances whenever she likes. But yeah, Chappell should do with her career whatever works for her.
Yeah I think she could absolutely do that just like Fiona, Beyoncé, and Adele. I just hope that she would still be just as successful if she did that
Yessss, sunday is saved! Thank you for you thoughtful analysis of pop culture, Zach!
Any time!
Another masterful think piece Zach. Congrats! You know, Chappell's situation reminds me a bit of how Marina's fans were constantly whining that she should be bigger making her feel like a failure, until she realised and admitted publicly that the level of fame people wanted for her would have completely messed her up.
I think you really hit it in the head with Chappell not really wanting this level of fame. She probably just wanted to be a gay icon like Christine & The Queens, for example, a respected artist with a strong fan base and a couple crossover hits, than a full blown popstar.
I agree, and at the same time I wonder why she went for the VMAs instead of the concerts she had to cancel due to scheduling conflicts (as she put it) that had been booked for months prior.
If she wanted to be more "niche", I can only assume she'd have chosen the concerts over the VMAs. I have the feeling she recognises that opportunities such as the VMAs can bring her even more resources to put more music out / do more with her art in the future, and that there may be some "sunken cost fallacy" playing a role in there (she worked *so* hard to be where she is now, that she may feel she has to take every next big opportunity that comes her way, even if that means that it all comes with added drawbacks in the shape of becoming more and more famous, more and more known).
@@tripodologia so true, I've thought that too. she has a label, I think that affects things as well.
This was a great video. The last couple of months I’ve repeatedly thought why is she still booking shows and making appearance when she’s clearly having a hard time. The love/hate stage you mentioned really made sense. I agree that she needs to take significant time off and really focus on her mental health. That way, fans aren’t disappointed when she cancels and she can hopefully actually make some progress.
I think she keeps performing because she adores it. People that say, "just quit if you can't take it, " aren't seeing the love/hate relationship. You can love the stage and the fans and the music and still hate the fame. You can say that's unrealistic, but it's human for her to feel this way and understandable.
I feel like people also forget that she has a deal with a record label....and to some extent, they are dictating what she does with her time
@@chrismcmurry8508 Yes - I didn’t really expand on it, but that’s why the love/hate explanation in the video was so eye opening to me.
@@elliepractice1954 I wrote my comment pretty quickly. Your comment was excellent and I probably didn't even need to reply.
I totally think Chappell needs to go offline for a while. It seems like she's chronically online and I think it is to the detriment of her mental health at this point.
We've all been knew this was the next video topic. And I'm so sat
It's always interesting when people say "Chappell has to suck up and deal with harassment because it's part of fame" when the issue can be directly stopped or mitigated by those exact people - WE as a general are the people harassing her and WE can stop !
Unfortunately some people just have no empathy, and those select few morons will never stop harassing. Be that bc of jealousy or just people being psychos, nothing can make this behavior okay. There’s of course a *normal* way to talk to celebrities when you see them in public, and Chappell has obviously been burned so many times already. It’s so sad to see. Hayley Williams is a regular at my work and she keeps coming back bc we’re not fucking weird to her
You can only control your own behavior
@@elainekellogg6345 this comment is not conducive to finding a solution. This comment is the real world equivalent to ignoring sexual harassment because “you can only control yourself” and the victim should just put up with it. Instead, we’re here today talking to said harassers in order to educate our actions instead of ignoring them. In fact, Chappell herself has said that she’s been treated much better in public since making her video about the boundary
That’s like telling people not to drink and drive-it’s obvious, but it won’t stop everyone. Sure, there are rules and norms, but expecting everyone to act perfectly is unrealistic.
I figured this out when I was 15, working as a bag boy at a grocery store. Every day, I dealt with people who lacked basic social skills or self-awareness. Some even made me feel uneasy or unsafe, and I was just a random teenager working to buy food, beer, and weed.
If I learned this at 15, someone like Chappell, who’s in the public eye, should’ve known better. She comes off as either naive or someone looking for excuses to lash out. Honestly, she seems like a narcissist using her status as a weapon and calling it “artistry.”
Seriously, do you sleep? Doing 40 minute detailed video essays every week is an amazing accomplishment! We loooove a productive king
Measured, fair, and well-researched. THIS is why we keep coming back to the Swiftologist people!!! Slander? It could never be me. Thanks for this summary, Zack! You hit it out of the park per usual!
the way i stalked your account, trying to find chappell roan content
welllll its your lucky day xx
I can always count on Swiftologist for a detailed, nuanced and timely breakdown of current popstar news. THANK YOU, and I am seated!
This is church for cool people 💚
REAL
amen
For real!
No REALLY THOOOO
i guess you could call it a "chappell" :^)
I think its important here to recognize that "we" dont think those behaviors are normal. "We" as a larger collective dont do crazy things like that. One of the problems here is that she is addressing crazy behaviors that most of us can recognize are *crazy* and therefore assume that she must be overreacting because we would never do that. If you ever waited outside an airport or a hotel to see a celebrity, you are the problem.
That’s a problem in and of itself though. If that’s not how you behave, why discredit her experience or take it personally? It’s a fact that people behave in crazy ways, that should not be a surprise to anyone in 2024
If you were even a little bit in celebrity fandom spaces, you would realize just how many people do this. Chappell shouldn’t have to explain how she’s been sexually harassed by fans in public just for us to understand why she would want a boundary. She shouldnt have to have a reason to be hurt to justify her reaction. She should be listened to and WE (yes you and I) shouldn’t go “oh she’s overreacting” because we don’t know her and that is a brain worm given to you by misogyny
@MoMo-ke1iq I was quite clear that I believe her and did not say she was overreacting. You might want to reread my comment. I was specifically addressing this content creator literally stating that they participated in this behavior and implied that this is a regular occurance. It's not. Fandom is a small community in relation to the rest of society and just because something is perceived as normal in a fandom space does not mean it is. these behaviors are *crazy* and people who participate in them, i.e. this creator apparently, are the problem.
I would LOVE a video of you taking about the crazy k-pop stalker fans because this is INSANE and someone NEEDS to talk about it and how It's not normal!!❤
I was listening to California the other day and BAWLING my eyes out, I can’t even imagine how she feels right now.
Swiftologist thank you for all of your hard work, I’ve been a Bestie Lite on the patreon and a lizard review member since TTPD dropped, you guys make my days so much brighter and I just want to thank you for all of the laughs and smiles and pop momensos!!!!!
awww thank you for tuning in diva!!!
Zach this is magnificent. You’ve really sussed out some kind of deep beating heart of another part of the human experience. Describing the horrors of fame. And the crazy human desire to build someone up and watch them fall. In another note, the semi casual comment you made about your adhd experience really planted a seed in me and rang some alarm bells. That just might be the root of so many of my issues. Although adhd for women is much more complicated and difficult to navigate. Regardless, I’m hopefully that might change my life for the better. I really appreciate your speaking about your experience
Thank you so much for this. There are a handful of other creators I follow who have covered this, but yours is the first I clicked on because I knew you were gonna fucking cook. And you definitely did. I really hope Chappell does take a break and finds a way to navigate this while still holding boundaries. I really do respect her calling fame out for the insanity it is, but I also really want her to get a publicist and media training. For her sake. To protect her from needless and preventable backlash. I want her to still be able to love creating art and that this doesn’t turn her away from what she’s worked so hard to do.
OMG IM SO GLAD RUclips RECOMMENDED YOU TO ME.
Its been a whilee since I watched such a well constructed well informed video essay. i was literally mesmerized and loved all your points.
Please keep making videos like this, new sub ❤
welcome aboard diva
I hate how it would apparently kill most people to admit that fame IS a traumatic experience
Being here this early is crazy!! The way that a celebration can be praised and then dropped is incredibly shocking. It's reasons like these artists don't want to go mainstream. People are not taking this seriously and Chappel is still a new artist adjusting to the fame. Thank you for this video, have a great day Zach :)
This is journalism gold. I loved how you gave her empathy but can be critical. You keep making gold! Keep it up Zach!
I went to the last show of her tour Thursday. She had a lovely message for the crowd. It was such good energy. I saw her open for OR last April and the difference in her fame from that concert to this one is wild.
There are too many people that surround these artists that might not always have their best interests at heart. The very nature of them being commodities places them in peril. Who could possibly think that doing 80 odd shows in a matter of months isn’t a recipe for mental strain ? This on top of navigating an unnatural state of fame…
Great analysis of Clara Bow! I saw someone say that song was about Travis Kelce and I almost went crazy… people do not understand underlying themes and metaphors anymore…
no one gets anything.....its sad
@@stranger_inthealps I’ve seen a lot of people say stuff about Clara Bow like “oh she’s talking about Sabrina” “it’s about Olivia” but like I don’t think that song is about any pop girl in particular, like it’s just about the whole industry in general and nobody specific
@@phoenixfritzinger9185EXACTLY like it’s not a specific person, it’s the new generation of pop stars who will take her place and continue the cycle. Idk why people need it to just be one person.
Thoughtful as usual 😊I hope Roan of Arc finds therapy that fits her needs 🌟ACT helps accept feelings & commit to actions that align w/ core values. CBT emphasizes change. Both methods assert that you can’t change others’ views (artist vs pop star) only your own🤗 take care
Honestly i really appreciate Chappell being open and honest, fans should’ve been called out a long time ago for creepy behavior and she’s just one of the first ones to do it. I really hope pr training dies cause I’m tried of filtered answers, and especially in the age of social media and specifically Twitter people will always misconstrue your words regardless of what you say so why not say exactly how you feel🤷🏼♀️ subtlety is dead let’s stop acting like it isn’t
wellllll....you can't just say whatever you feel whenever you want no matter who you are or what you do lol. we live in a society where we have a social contract...it is simply not practical to say whatever thought enters your brain whenever.
@@theswiftologist I’m not saying “Speech without consequence” or that “Harmful” or “Reckless” speech is ok, what I’m saying is that I’m happy that we are in an era where celebrities specifically pop girls can be way more direct with their feelings, and emotions with out it being sifted through by a PR team/hirer ups if the star does not want that. Yes it’s not perfect, but again nothing is so why not be transparent if you choose to do so
Always thankful for your Sunday worship services, Zach!
How refreshing you are. You are insanely articulate, researched, intelligent and extremely entertaining. Keep on, you are a breath of fresh air in this very manipulated industry. So many props.
As a Korean Swiftologist subscriber, Jack mentioning Kpop wasn't on my 2024 bingo board
I was so happy he did, also a bit shocked. Now I wonder who he listens to 😂
@@itsiraahes mentioned kpop before actually. He definitely listens but hes never shouted out specific artists
Zach currently enjoys Blackpink and Katseye (altho they only kinda count haha)! He’s mentioned before that it’s kind of hard for him to connect to K-Pop as it’s a different language (and he tends to need to connect to lyrics and stuff). I def hope he’d be able to enjoy more K-Pop content someday!
"I think Chappell is becoming aware of the phoniness of this promise sooner why because she doesnt want it that bad" you hit the nail on the head with this one Zach
It feels like everyone is sharing their hot takes on Chappell Roan and none of the takes I've been seeing have any kind of nuance outside of Friendly Space Ninja. I'm glad that our resident Chappellologist is approaching this latest discourse with empathy. I heard this take that if Chappell was a dude, the mainstream media wouldn't give her any shit.
Exactlyyyy! If it was a dude, no one would give a single fuck. Male pop stars, generally, *never* have to do as much work for their image and persona as the girls do, and sometimes they’re just as successful. Ed Sheeran for example can just stand up there in some jeans, a t shirt, and his guitar, and still sell millions. That’s amazing that he can still do so well with that, but female singers can never get away with that
As someone that has a personality disorder like Chappel, I appreciate the way you’re handling this topic and how you’re trying to make ppl understand that this isn’t what the public makes it out to be. She isn’t a “diva” or not “cut out for this”, is her right to feel and take the time she needs to process this conflicting feelings that come with being a sensation. Thank you Zach, can’t wait for you to have your own show!
period!!!
i’ve been waiting for this one…thank you for feeding us as usual🙏🏼
Zachary you’re wonderful. The way you word stuff and address situations in such an elegant and respectful manner is deserving of praise. I finished the whole video and, as a wannabe artist (that does want this badly)I appreciate the way you put into perspective the quote: “you can get what you wish for but it won’t be enough”. In cases like Chappel’s, we see a person that just sees the industry as a way of making people feel seen and represented, while we have cases like Taylor’s in which fame is their whole life. I identify with Taylor more and that’s why I love this video. I think every artist that wants to live of their art should watch this video. A quote I came up with says: “the biggest performance of an artist isn’t on the stage, but off of it, when the whole world is still looking at them, waiting for them to break” and this video encapsulated that perfectly. Props to you for delivering such an objective and empathetic piece of work, as always, is a pleasure to listen to you!!
as a fellow bipolar woman, i can’t imagine what she’s going through.
Do you take meds? Our son is bipolar, and won't take his meds, he is a very vindictive person, if he feels slighted he will get back at you, like letting all indoor your declawed (fronts only) cats outside, 3 came back and the 4th it took 6 weeks before he came back. We have not seen him since 2018. It is an evil disease.
@@Violet316 i have bipolar ii and i do take meds (Lamictal). i got diagnosed at the beginning of this year and my psychiatrist said that if i don’t take meds episodes would escalate over time and lead into psychosis. so i’ll be sticking to them forever. i’m very sorry to hear about your son. i told my mom during my first episode that the things i was thinking and wanting to do weren’t aligning with who i am at all. i’m sure it is the same for your son-unless he was like that before his onset, then that’s a different story. some people choose to live without but meds are very important for a lot of people with BD. i hope you, him, and your family all find healing someday.
@@candyapple5389 I somehow doubt that he has done even more horrible things, in 2018 he abandoned his first child at school and told him to go to Nonnies house (me), we now have full custody, Matthew is autistic, his new wife, wife #3 didn't want him, but they kept is higher functioning brother who we haven't seen since 2018. 3 weeks ago we found out he gave our youngest grandson away to his 3rd wife's family and we don't know where Kaiden is, We hope he is alive, his wife had been in prison for child abuse, neglect, and drugs, and our son met her when she was on work release. They got married within 3 months after she got out of prison. Thanks for the nice thoughts, but we won't put ourselves through what he has done to us and the lies he told people about us again. For you I say, your self-awareness should keep you on the right path.
@@candyapple5389my mom has had BP 2 for 10 years now. That’s why I sympathize with Chappell so much. Stay strong!❤️
Me too, I have BP too and this would send me into a psychosis and can only pray that Chappell looks after her mental health and can continue to create such sensational, fantastic music! ❤😊
The microscope zoomed in on her too suddenly, especially given her mental health struggles. I feel so much for her. I could NOT be that visible.
taylor and i had been on a break since 2017 and even back then i hadn’t ever considered myself a swiftie. then in may of this year i heard guilty as sin from stockholm. my mind consumed
the next week a friend introduced me to pink pony club.
this 2 mommy cosmos i’m currently inhabiting is the richest one i’ve yet found! gone back and experienced taylor’s entire catalog with new ears… chappell is the perfect counterpoint to taylor… which mommy is the yin, which the yang? haha
zach, your outfit in this video is perfect and as always your views are illuminating
Another fascinating video Zach!
I think, because Chappell is breaking the mould and touching the hearts of people that wouldn’t normally be mainstream pop fans, she won’t just be harassed by paparazzi for a picture and more the people that feel like they know her and feel seen by her.
I so, so hope she ignites the next generation of pop stars to have rock solid boundaries. Good for her. The parasocial relationship with celebrities has gone way too fuckin far. We all know -those- Swifties who truly believe taylor actually their bestie, etc. It's not normal.
you have reminded me that there IS nuance in the pop area, and it's not just mindless stan wars.. thank you
I am consistently impressed by the quality of your analysis, connecting of dots, and insights. It is the main reason I watch all your videos, including the ones on topics I would normally pass by. Thanks for your time making this content!
Honestly Zach I love your videos so much, because it’s helped open my eyes to how invasive the relationships stars have with their fans can be. I’m sixteen and for a long LONG time, I’ve fed into it, it feels like they know you, that they love you. But it’s not true. The whole situation with Chappell and the way you go over it so well has really helped me understand and realize how badly these relationships can weigh on a pop star. So thanks for that diva!!! 💖
Any level of fame can be unsettling. As I gain recognition in my industry with my own brand, I'm starting to see certain events and locations becoming more about business than enjoyment. Constantly being approached for conversation can make it difficult to switch off from work mode. You find it hard to say no when approached. It's merely impossible to do it without being perceived as rude.
I find myself avoiding places I used to love due to this newfound attention. While it may seem minor, the impact on my personal life is already noticeable.
Wow this was great! I can definitely relate when you speak about being so aware of how you feel, being so introspective that it’s actually detrimental. As much as therapy is great, I actually think it can sometimes be harmful, depending on the therapist, for someone like that. In order for me to get out of my pessimism and negative thought loops, I need to focus on someone or something other than myself. Giving, charity, volunteer work, etc. get outside of yourself and focus on other people!!
Absolutely LOVE listening to your take on pop music. You are so thoughtful & thorough. I'm an old lady that recently fell in love with Taylor's songwriting. Was hoping you'd speak on Chappell... You're so good!!! Thank you Zach💙
The way you so succinctly & eloquently summed up the downside to overindulgent navelgazing from the 0:50 mark (through 1:10) was incredibly effective and epiphany-inducing, for real! Chef's kiss!! 🙌🏻 Self-reflection can be truly life-changing when exercised in moderation, but as with anything else today, the moderation element is what so many are disregarding. Too much of a good thing can induce the opposite effect and end up serving as a personal blockade instead. Spending too long in a self-indulgent pitiful hole pickles the human soul. Gotta come up for fresh air and sunshine! Definitely think this applies to Chappell Roan, as well as to many others of her same generation (along with many in my generation as well, the millennials). Zack, you might have legit just solved an impending human crises here with this much needed assessment! It applies much more broadly than just to a new pop star experiencing growing pains with fame. THANK YOU!!! 🙌🏻
LMAOOO thank you for saying that diva!!! we are pro moderate navel gazing on this channel!!!
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A good summary is Chappell's: "I don't want the world but I'll take this city", she wanted it in some "middle" level only but not the horrifically huge level she got to now where her life was fully taken away for a new one 😢
Mr Ologist I would lovvveee to hear you talk more about the K-pop world
I fully support her being herself, enforcing boundaries, and trying to protect her peace. I think I just struggle with the fact that she just doesn’t seem to enjoy fame. You can’t constantly play festivals and award shows and all that and expect to be able to live a normal life. As suffocating and disappointing as I’m sure that is for her, you just can’t have it both ways. Especially not in our hyper-connected world.
I don’t think she’s being “difficult” I just think she clearly needs to take a break and seriously consider if being famous is healthy for her.
Oh I’ve been WAITING for your take on this. Can’t wait to attend the weekly Sunday service 🖤
7:20, she says that but goes on the biggest venues possible like the VMAs and cancels shows to do such things. I used to like her around 8/10 and even saw her in concert at the beginning of the year, then she just started saying some absurd things like comparing fame to an abusive husband and it just got out of hand. I'm down to liking her around 4/10 and haven't listened to her music as much. She is getting overexposed and her lack of media training is evident. I'm not a hater, I was on the verge of becoming a stan before but not anymore. I would categorize myself as a mild fan. Thanks for your video!
I also would like to mention that one of the differences with other artists is the age in which Chappell got famous. She is 26. Taylor was 19.
Oh and when the whole snakegate thing happened Taylor happened to be 27, a year older.
Debut came out when she was 16! Just a baby, I can't even imagine.
The Clara Bow lyrics reminds me of the quotation “The same people that applauded your coronation will applaud your beheading.”😊
Seeing Chappell being so genuine just makes us, that are capable of comprehension and critical thinking, love her even more! This is why I also love Kelly Clarkson, she’s always unapologetically herself and always authentic. I NEEEEED Chappell to go on Kelly’s show and be interviewed and sing some songs together 🗣️💞
its nice to hear your take on this aside from the tidbits like on the vmas stream, it's always a very well thought out opinion that you share with us and i appreciate it
I'm only seven minutes into the vid but I have to say that first, you look gorgeous in that shirt. Second, I really hope Chappell Roan gets a pr team because I don't think it worth it having an 'honest' and 'unfiltered' celebrity at the cost of a woman's mental health and perhaps her career in the long run.
Ok now I'll keep watching 😊
Always CLOCKED IN for a new swiftologist video 🥰😚
When you talk about the human rights that celebrities are supposed to opt out of, it made me think of some of the debates I've been in concerning the monarchy in Sweden; there you have children who are actually born into lives which are constitutionally exempt from the human rights of other children. I would guess that's true for other monarchies as well, but I hadn't really thought about it regarding celebrities. Like, does the fact that they one time agreed to or even worked hard for the fame mean that they are not allowed to ever resent being public property? I honestly don't understand how they don't all go batshit crazy.
I hit the like button the moment you said “it’s up to you to decide” whether glass is half full or half empty.
Complete. Concise. Articulate. Stellar points made. Zach, you have given yet another excellent take on our pop world. 👏👏👏
I just love the irony in the fact that I saw numerous comments glamorizing her lack of publicity training because they wanted something “real” and now that she was actually exercising said realness they turn on her and they wonder why that’s an unobtainable reality for a celebrity to have!
@@tylerbucklin6871 the people don’t actually want “real” they want like, distressed pre-ripped jeans from like SHEIN. Edgy and raw on a superficial level but still coming from the same factory that makes everything else new and shiny
Wow, Zack. This is so thoughtful and well crafted. I have had to stay away from Chappell discourse because it's been harmful to my own mental health due to the unhinged opinions haphazardly thrown around by casual fans. I took a chance on this video because I usually appreciate your level headed, thoughtful videos and I'm glad I did. Well done.
Zach you’re just so incredibly articulate and you handle the nuances of this subject with such skill. This is the definitive video on this subject. You covered so much of all the sides I feel have been lacking in other discourse I’ve seen. So happy you share your talent with us ❤
This video helped me realize why motherhood has been so hard for me (and many others!). It is traumatic to suddenly not be able to do the things you once enjoyed & have the freedom to go places on a whim. I totally realize it’s completely different than fame, but something about the way you described this really just clicked with me. I love my children and I WOULD CHOOSE to sacrifice for them!! But that doesn’t mean that I don’t feel grief. Thank you for your amazing content ❤️
FINALLY someone smart makes a video about her. I’m so sick of TikTok having the most psycho takes.
Fairest, most nuanced overview of the situation I've come across. New fan. Thank you
Welcome aboard!
"comparing two queens" LOLOLOLOLOLOLO! I spit my water everywhere! You make me laugh! I've been watching for quite a while and I really enjoy you and your videos! Keep up the great work, I'd miss ya if you weren't around! XO from Colorado!
thanks for watching!! xx
Literally got whiplash when you said “Austin City Limits” because I JUST saw her there and she SLAYED!!!
Have just remembered the playback speed options and discovered my feel good resp. catch/comprehend most playback speed of your broadcasts is 75 or if, such as today, have had an excruciating day at work 50%. Grew up in England partly as a child, but German born, and found myself constantly rewinding your videos (which got to be a pain in the arse), but this function is a gift and revelation.
The speed was really annoying me-thanks for the playback reminder
Fantastic as usual Zach. I'm so concerned in general about the loss of media literacy (and all literacy, let's be real) and I'm not sure what the solution could be. All I can hope is that thoughtful and intelligent commentary like yours reaches enough young people that it starts to have a positive effect on how we process and interact online and IRL. It's very scary to think about losing the ability to have healthy discourse and debate.
Chappell really helped me through some dark patches of my life, and I treasure the luxury of grow up with her music. At the same time, I really want to respect her privacy, but it's frustrating that there's really nothing we can do about it. Thanks for bringing this issue with celeb culture to light Zach.
What I don’t understand is a popular talking point in response to her not always wanting to interact in public- “the fans gave you your success and fame so be grateful!”. People act like the public picked a random woman off the street and graciously gifted her money. She EARNED it by WORKING for it. By making music and performing. That is the exchange. You buy an album, you get to listen. You buy a ticket, you get a concert. Artists ARE giving you something. Why are they expected to give up so much else for us too? She didn’t ask for you to be so obsessed with her as a person that you have to harass her in public. It’s so self-important. I understand this behavior is a normalized part of our culture and it’s difficult to just up and change, but the amount of defense I’ve seen of it makes me feel insane.
Wonderfully said!
the debut of roanologist!!! ✨️✨️✨️
he's risen before......do your homework queenie!!
@@theswiftologistGAHHAHHAHAHH
@theswiftologist ofcourse ive watched every chappell segment on your opinion reaction videos but a full video on chappell roan? we just got FED, love your work 💕💕
@@callumcartiniI watched the other videos, too, and you're simply complimenting him. I agree with you.
@@thejoeyjason i didn't know that im gonna go kms
journalistic excellence 👏🏼 as always ❤️🔥
may i ask which microphone you‘re using in your videos? i‘m a youtube-colleague from germany and i absolutely adore your sound quality 😭
thanks so much in advance and keep up the great work! your channel has become one of my favs ever since i discovered you 💖
Hi Zach! I found your channel around a year ago and you've quickly become one of my favorite creators. Your smart and informed takes are so refreshing to hear. I think this video might be my favorite of yours, thank you for talking about this and adding to the conversation the parasocialism and fan culture in kpop.
Also I love your look on this video! ❤
thank you for watching lina!!
Thanks Zach, such an intelligent well thought out observation. Spot on. So many excellent points. You are sublime. Loved the K Pop take n T Swift take as well. Thanks! ❤ from 🇦🇺
Divaologist is back! Your videos are amazing!
Your content is one of a kind Zach. Thanks for your work again😀
King, kudos for saying that, for uploading
only 9 minutes in and i can already say this is the most insightful and nuanced think piece i’ve seen on chappell’s dilema thus far, thank u for not being insane🙏
Every time I pray for a certain video from you, you never cease to deliver it expeditiously… been a fan of yours for years and you’ve remained my #1 since
Fantastic reporting, supportive without letting empathy carry you away. And your supportive statements every time you made a comment on her behavior are necessary because so many people are just waiting to jump, either to criticize or defend. That girl really does need a rest.
Another great video! I don’t comment much on yt but I started *really* watching your content when you made the born to die video and was just struck. I just love your writing and the way you deliver it. I mostly watch documentaries about history and art, you’re basically the only youtuber I really like watching especially with how you still have your own values and beliefs despite being a taylor fan (the billionaire video was so informative and just great) given the reputation her fanbase has was very refreshing. Just wanted to say you are absolutely awesome at what you do!
thank you for making this video! ive wanted to hear you talk about this for a bit
You're so welcome!