Nick you should blacklist the word Flixzone for use in your comments section, its a scam and will steal money ,All pls ignore the comments mentioning it.
You mentioned about the NICEIC, was the contractor who carried the work out approved by them? If so, are the NICEIC footing the bill for to carry out your remedial works? Surely that cost cannot be passed onto the customer if an NICEIC contractor has left that mess?
Absolutely shocking work! What gets me, as an electronics engineer that works in HiPot, is that I consider myself as a competent DIY and do all my own work to code, that cowboy could sign-off on my stuff but I can't.
Why would he not be calm? It's not his work He's not the customer He's not the electricians boss And He's now making money of someone else's poor job .
@@edglue6138 better looking at them than for them. Nothing wrong with that in and of itself though. I mean you usually would want to leave 25% of a board clear anyway for future expansion. Perhaps it's just what they've had lying around.
Nothing wrong with them as long as they can only be removed by use of a tool or deliberate action. Also doesn't matter if they're plastic, as they are covered by the metal lid.
Let's face it they are obviously doing the place up with them chases who would want those 60s coving in there house,think that's a small issue compared with the way they run the cables
When we moved into this house we are in now we were told that an electrician lived here before. I thought great, no work to do then? Pulled bathroom floor up to redo bathroom and found the shaver socket above sink with no transformer was wired in with 4mm cable connected to 32amp ring! Then also found a loose connected 10mm water bond wire that went into a 20m ball of wire under floorboards other end connected to nothing! 👏👏👏
Not atypical. Thank goodness you never brought a house that a builder lived in. My parents did and the entire place was a bodge that almost needed demolishing.
Sorry, I accidently bought a few hundred of them for my own rewiring.......I haven't used many though, when I've done I could send em a box.... :-/ (overly eager noob, XD )
I’ve got a good mind to start up on my own. Been working books in/ agency and as a service contractor for 25 years. My problem is I’m not domestic albeit have 18th edition and an approved spark my standards are high because I’ve always done heavy industrial installations, boiler house fit outs, just think I’d be too neat to make any money as I couldn’t leave a job in a mess even if it wasn’t in my remit.
10 years ago had the council decide it was time for a rewire in the flat I rented in East London. After these geniuses yanked so hard they ripped red/black 2.5mm2 inside the conduit that went into the kitchen, they decide to run PVC channel throughout wherever they felt like. Guy in charge went around with a rotary hammer and 6" long 7mm bit, for the 1" plastic anchors... Wall to the toilet was 4" thick. Pushing hard on the drill hit his head on the wall as the bit inevitably went straight through and tore a foot radius of plaster over the bath on opposite side. They came back a week later to empty a tube of caulk into it.
Do council sparks have a bad rep in the industry? My dad had an ex-council electrician fit a new CU. Tails straight in with no gland. Holes bashed out top with no grommets. Cracked Henley Block on incoming live. All house circuits on single RCD.
@@kristianhumphreys7984 My boss has a team of 5 guys who subby for him and just do council rewires on a daily basis. I’m not even joking when I say this but they managed to completely rewire 5 3 bed houses in ONE WEEK. I went to one of them in the middle to help out at the end of the day and to be honest from what I saw it didn’t look too bad - considering they lashed it out in a day it was surprisingly neat although obviously I didn’t see what actually went into running the cables in
To be honest that seems to be the standard these days. I have seen a few comments about price, where I live £4k seems about right, although if he paid £10k or £1k for the job, the fact is, the job should comply with the regulations, and that clearly doesn't. My local council want rewires done in a day, and I have seen the aftermath, and it's not pretty, the installations were in a better condition before the rewiring, and the truth is, they didn't need rewiring, just a new board and IP light in the bathroom.
I'm interested in what if any sanctions were placed upon the installer by the NICEIC or if they volunteered or were forced to make a full or partial refund?
Appalling work! And that's only what you can see, dread to think of the hidden horrors you can't see. Hope customer takes them to the small claims court for the full cost & expense for another proper rewire...
Did the customer believe that NICEIC registration was a guarantee of competence? David Savery tried to report a NAPIT contractor doing work to a standard similar to this, but no action was taken.
You will find that if they are niceic normally they get the contractor back to put it right like gas Safe,that's easier said then done if the customer doesn't want them back ,not sure why nick got involved,they normally get the local inspector to visit ,
@@acelectricalsecurity yeah your right like gas Safe,when we first started with the nic they used to be a charity know they are a company selling you there manuals and software,and a yearly fee,so throwing a registered nic company is like losing money from there bank 👍
By farming this responsibility out to profit motivated organisations who have bought out all the opposition the government have created a monster........
I'm only a handyman but that's shocking . I like these channels great tips and gives me perfect examples why I recommend qualified sparks for electrical work to my customers. Yes I can change a socket but to add RCDs that's beyond me .
What the bloody hell is that. It's not quite bodge it and scarper but it ain't far short. C2 on going over pipework as the flow will be running at up to 80c. Just wow, I've seen some bad new installs but nothing quite that bad in the last year or two. Sad thing is it appears all those chases were taken up behind the coving with an angle grinder, neat cuts to put the coving back after?? It's not even half arsed it's like two different people were on site, one that knew what he was doing and another that just bodged running the cabling.
How much trouble would it have been to put a bit of insulation over the pipe where cables are near it? Doesn't make it neat but would drastically reduce the heat! Beyond lazy.
Looks like a professional job to me, done by a plumber using the cable as an extra source of heat. I think it's called "trace heating" - supposed to stop pipes freezing in the Winter.???
Hi im getting a socket rewire done soon because the neutral loop didnt pass the eicr test which meant the rcbo couldnt be fitted. The scores are low they were saying, I think it was 0.3 instead of a 1. They did these tests after changing the consumer unit. Should the electrician fill the walls and do put the floorboards and carpets back as they were? Thanks
The blanks are fine as they are as per manufacturers instructions. I personally prefer the Hager ones as they can't be pulled out. The trunking and outside light are fine aswell there's loads of bad stuff there so why pick up silly stuff.
I think Nick does a lot of estate agent work which mainly involves doing eicr’s picking up a lot of small details of which a lot would be fine in the eyes of a lot of sparks. ( no I’m not saying that’s not a Sh*te rewire) but a lot of the things he pulls up would only come from someone who does a lot of estate agent work
It’ll be nice if you get to film you and or Adam doing the remedial work, the before ie wrong way and after - the correct way or at least better way. I think Adam is more than capable of highlighting all that needs doing to demonstrate that there are some fully qualified electricians or businesses that even if they did employ apprentices, the business owner or apprentice mentor fails to check and offer guidance if he can easily highlight and remedy some or most of the work himself. I would find it hard leaving cables in such a mess to be able to keep track of what circuit belongs to what cable run especially when carry out checks? Perhaps they didn’t?
Who will foot the bill to remedy these issues? if the previous spark was working under nic/napit will they claim the money for the customer, what will come of there accreditation also?
Yep, there's a lot of "DIY comments" , I'm sure a lot of DIY would be better than this crap. Never mind code, common sense says no plug over the hob. FFS
Sorry, the NIC said this was ok? Kitchen light switch out of the zone, socket directly over the hob, shitty bonding clamp and joists not drilled at the center? To be fair, it doesn't look like it would be *that* much work to make this install right - at least they've left plenty of slack on the cables so you can fix them properly.
As a work of Art that would surely get an award, or a large financial grant , ive never seen anything as bad . Also somebody some day is going to have to work in that house, and going to be very worried at cut cables, are they dead or alive, i am when i find them, so stopped loft work now,unsecured cables are a trip hazard in an attic,thankfully Adam and i (Nick) are totally competent at renewing/repairing the stuff thats required.
£4500 for that! Is it in Jordans area for Artisan Electrics ?! For that price I would of taken my time and made it neater with the cables supported in the loft and away from the heating pipes which I would say is a C2 and removed old cables after,It looks like it was rushed in on a tight deadline as in get the money and scarper. I'd of renewed the earth clamp for what little effort and cost it would take. The whole job looks a mess after the consumer unit. As for the blanks in the consumer unit I'd prefer metal but I've had a couple of Hager metal consumer units lately still supplied with the plastic blanks off the shelf and the wholesalers not having the metal blanks in stock. I think consumer unit manufacturers should all supply say 5 metal blanks as standard in the packaging.
Granted its not a great install and I wouldn't leave it like that. But apart from some cable to put in trunking or clipped down. Is there anything in the regs to say it's not ok. Switch not in the prescribed zone. If its got rcd protection I thought that is technically OK. Not that I would do it. But what the regs say and best practice are 2 different things some times. What I can't understand is how people can walk away from a job like that and think yep I feel happy with that. I always wire a job expecting a spark to come in next week and look at the work if there's anything that i feel someone would pick up on I put it right.
Funny because someone mentions black on here or anywhere and the world goes mad because rascism yet Muppets like you can be rascist to others yet it's funny ....... #rascismiseverywhereyetwechoosenottoshoutaboutit.....
Hi Nick This is always a difficult call , the customer is reliant on the tradesman to do his job properly , and the tradesmen has a duty of care to the customer to do a professional job. Sounds simple you would think , but because our trade been has been allowed to be overrun by cowboys this is the inevitable result. And I blame 100% the trades governing body’s , most of them can quote the the regs with total ease, yet they couldn’t wire an out house . If they were doing their jobs properly 90% of this behaviour would be eliminated . And a proper registrar should be in place to list all those who have been found to be guilty of failing to meet the required standards. Backed up with hefty fines for those who continue to trade. We pay for inspections and monitoring . So they should be held accountable to prevent this happening. And finally I’d say to everyone out there who come across this type of work tell people, every mate , wholesaler , even next doors cat if you have to . Hit them we’re it hurts because trust me they won’t give a toss about you . Bless you Nick but you’ve got to expose these people so others will be not court out in the future .
A lot of remedial work to be done there Nick, good luck on that one Nick, I come across a lot off shoddy workmanship over the 27years being self employed you just can't get the staff these days a lot of people say they can install electrics like landlords who want to save a few quid while you're working on there rental property & they try &'wire an extra socket spuring of an existing and run the cable through the small hole where the fixing screw lugs are so when you screw socket back it damages cable with fixing screw & sharp edges of metal flush box. All the best Nick hope you sort all defects. Martin .
Hi Nick been watching your video’s for a while I’m not an electrician and don’t know the regs but I’m shour I could do a better D.I.Y. job than what has been done there
I think the NICEIC should be reported to the Ministry of Housing, or the HSE. They are churning out Domestic Installer qualifications and telling these people that they are now entitled to do this kind of work.
Based on past experience they would not entertain it, the customer needs to complain, and if you have ever seen the rubbish they have to fill in you will see why people don't complain, and these companies just carry on.
He does mention at the start that the customer have been through the correct procedures with the NICEIC and they have stated that the work need rectifying.
ok, install looks shite no doubt about it. The fuse board though? Apart from blanks and gaps between trunking what's wrong with it? Are those rcbo's or mcbs? would of liked to see inside d.b. also.
@@sandymcnair5298 hager rcbo board off the shelf like that is about £500 + installed, bonding, tails & test looking at least £1100 installed and signed off.
In my working life I designed and wired up machinery control panels. I cannot understand why domestic sparks don't do the same i.e put cables in trunking & conduit and also mark them up for easy identification.
I'm striiping out an 1880s house. Over it's 140 year lifespan it has been fully wired 3 times. I know this because there are 3 completely different sets of wiring.....Luckily only one set is connected up !
I'd rip out and start again... the workmanship of that electrican has the " don't give a flying fuck" vibe to me. How do we know there isn't more hidden shit that you would then have to put your name on if you carried out work...
I’ve seen worse than that - customer paid £5k up front for a new board with the RCD’s disconnected - new cables out of the fuse board then jointed onto the old cables above the downstairs toilet ceiling - the “spark” got the floorboards up on the landing and used a twin and earth as some strappers to a 2 way switch but used the cpc as the line conductor - customer was an elderly man and used all of his savings to get it done - oh and when he put the boards back down he screwed into a central heating pipe 6 times in different places. This went beyond rough and he was a proper rogue trader - NICEIC were trying to prosecute him for using their logo when he wasn’t registered with them - we followed him round for a couple of years and every job was the same - £4,5k to rewire a 1 bed flat which was only rewired 10 years earlier - all he did was change the switch faces - again money up front and an old lady - scumbags
Hi Nick, An absolute disgrace. There are far too many so-called electricians out there that I wouldn’t trust to put a light bulb in. It would seem logical to start again but maybe you are happy to do the remedial work. Whatever the outcome the homeowner will be assured of a first-class installation. Best wishes.
Fair play to you as your platform has given customers the opportunity to see what is acceptable or not...you mentioned the NIC so if it was an approved domestic installer or contractor, it's my understanding their guarantee should pay for the new work. one comment said it's probably labour doing the work and being signed off by a qualified electrician. Well you don't even need to leave the garage to see that the earth bonding fails. The company should be chucked out of the NICICE and banned from joining another partP organisation!!
People won't spend and will always go for the cheapest price - save some money. You get what you pay for. I've worked with many eastern European lads and the vast majority due have pride and are bloody good sparks. It doesn't matter where you were born there's a cowboy in every country.
Really that is really crap again another customer suffers 😡😡😡 if that’s what you can see on the surface who knows what is hidden. Rewire again me thinks
watching this video made my blood boil! An excellent report from N Bundy Electrical for showing it for what it is. As a Certified electrical engineer and member of the IET, with 48 years service in the electricity supply industry and also being a full SAP for both NG and DNO, I have lived and worked with the Regs throughout my entire career and some of you reading this will understand what I mean when I say you live with rules and the regulations 24 hours a day - you never switch off. Having now retired, I have been giving a great deal of thought to obtaining the latest qualifications in the 18th edition, L3 NVQ Electrical Installation and L3 NVQ Inspections which I know wont be easy!!! It absolutely infuriates me to see work like this in this video and it is my guess that the people who did this were clearly NOT fit, and probably NOT competent nor qualified to do such work but, if they were bonified and certified electricians, they should be struck off the authoritive body's register forthwith! It frustrates me no end to think even with my decades of experience and competencies, I would still need to study/train for the appropriate qualifications before I could carry out any "reportable" work.
This is what happens when you let 5 week warriors have the ability to sign off their own work!! No way an experienced spark did that job, you wouldn’t sleep at night. I blame the scheme operators they allow this to happen by giving membership to inexperienced under qualified cowboys. It seems you only need a voltstick a 10m swimming certificate the membership fee & suddenly you are a reputable contractor
I hate to say it but I've found it's generally not the 5 week warriors but the large firms who bash out rewires all day. I find the 5 week warriors look neat until you take the covers off.
@@jenton93 usually the big firms have a supervisor who checks all the jobs over & does the testing to avoid this sort of crap. This one looked like the worst kind of DIY job done by a clueless cowboy who can self cert, a case of “it works don’t it”!!. No reputable contractor would drag cables round heating pipes or leave unsecured cables routed as the “crow fly’s”. The big question is how many more of their jobs look like that. If they are leaving work like that where you can see it, imagine what it looks like under the floors. I’ve lost count of the jobs I’ve seen done by this type of idiot & the worst part is they all have some sort of cert from a 2 bit domestic installer scheme. Customers are fooled into a false sense of security by these unpoliced schemes. There is no random sampling or testing carried out by any of the providers which enables unscrupulous contractors to get away with this kind of crap
@@guymartin7757 The original wiring in the loft my 1960-built bungalow was wired "as the crow flies", straight over the top of the rafter and with no slack at all. Clearly speed of installation and using the minimum amount of cable were the main criteria. It would have been OK if nobody had ever wanted to use the loft, but it made it a bugger to lay boarding.
Nowt to do with where you did you quals this is just laziness. It's not like the 5 week courses tell you this is acceptable (they teach the exact same courses that colleges teach to apprentices, it's just condensed). This is just chancers thinking they can get away with it
There isn't a regulation for using plastic blanks. You would need a tool to remove them in order to touch exposed conductive parts too so 416.2.1 is adhered to. As long as 421.1.201 is satisfied there is nothing wrong.
What will happen to the original electrician(hard to call them that)? Will they be kicked out the NIC? Get a warning?! What’s the procedure to stop them robbing other customers?
Here in lies the problem. Quote for a Consumer Unit change (fully tested and certified, etc). Customer comes back telling me they can get it for half the price I’m charging. At this point I wish them well and walk away. Pay cheap, pay twice
You didn't mention who will pay to 'put it right' and what are the consequences for the 'electrician' now the NIC know the standard of thier work (nothing)?
I swear it’s actually harder to do what they’ve done than do it properly
How to install when you loose your knipex
100 times more difficult. Lazy and untidy beyond belief
Nick you should blacklist the word Flixzone for use in your comments section, its a scam and will steal money ,All pls ignore the comments mentioning it.
hahahaha definitely true 🤣🤣
@@topgazza I recon it's malicious rewire, no other explanation for it. :))
That looks like one of the better ones mate.
lad that fitted it says its fine from my house
Bloody James and his weekend work 🤣🤣
You mentioned about the NICEIC, was the contractor who carried the work out approved by them? If so, are the NICEIC footing the bill for to carry out your remedial works? Surely that cost cannot be passed onto the customer if an NICEIC contractor has left that mess?
Absolutely shocking work!
What gets me, as an electronics engineer that works in HiPot, is that I consider myself as a competent DIY and do all my own work to code, that cowboy could sign-off on my stuff but I can't.
Yes, shocking. I see what you did there.
This is madness. It's not even my work and I won't be able to sleep tonight knowing this exists out there.
The only thing I can suggest Nick do a full written report, quote for the work . Then the customer redress in the country court to get his money back
Come across this way to often as a fire alarm installer and it boils my blood, nice work nick with keeping calm 👍
@Nichen Fauster it boils his blood 🤣🤣
Why would he not be calm?
It's not his work
He's not the customer
He's not the electricians boss
And He's now making money of someone else's poor job .
What's the problem with plastic blank plates? When you buy a DB it even comes with them?
They tend to come out really easily, especially the old Wyler plastic ones.
Nothing as long as it is the ones the manufacturer provides you with
think it was more the amount of spare ways
@@edglue6138 better looking at them than for them.
Nothing wrong with that in and of itself though. I mean you usually would want to leave 25% of a board clear anyway for future expansion. Perhaps it's just what they've had lying around.
Nothing wrong with them as long as they can only be removed by use of a tool or deliberate action. Also doesn't matter if they're plastic, as they are covered by the metal lid.
Adam would sort out that mess very quick and would do a brilliant job
hi adam
Weird that they removed bits of the coving... usually so easy to just drill behind it
The only reason to move coving if your in a shared house doing a fire alarm but for someone’s house they must of hit their head
Let's face it they are obviously doing the place up with them chases who would want those 60s coving in there house,think that's a small issue compared with the way they run the cables
When we moved into this house we are in now we were told that an electrician lived here before. I thought great, no work to do then? Pulled bathroom floor up to redo bathroom and found the shaver socket above sink with no transformer was wired in with 4mm cable connected to 32amp ring! Then also found a loose connected 10mm water bond wire that went into a 20m ball of wire under floorboards other end connected to nothing! 👏👏👏
Not atypical. Thank goodness you never brought a house that a builder lived in. My parents did and the entire place was a bodge that almost needed demolishing.
Ah that must of been down to the great cable clip shortage of 2020.
Sorry, I accidently bought a few hundred of them for my own rewiring.......I haven't used many though, when I've done I could send em a box.... :-/ (overly eager noob, XD )
This is why I do pretty much everything myself, otherwise you’ve always got to be watching the work people do
I can absolutely relate to your comments.
I’ve got a good mind to start up on my own. Been working books in/ agency and as a service contractor for 25 years. My problem is I’m not domestic albeit have 18th edition and an approved spark my standards are high because I’ve always done heavy industrial installations, boiler house fit outs, just think I’d be too neat to make any money as I couldn’t leave a job in a mess even if it wasn’t in my remit.
Probably one of ours 🤣
You're not that cheap!!!
@@stupot_64 True LOL
Lol not that far up north mate
Your Tesla wouldn't make it that far up north, Jordan.
I wasn’t told by them direct but they weren’t satisfied it was a quality installation so a refund has been submitted by the previous electrician
Must of watched a few of jordon and Cory’s videos 🤠.. they love a spare way too 💰💰
Bloody Hell.. did they go in the loft, shut their eyes and just lob all the cables up in the air !!.. Hey Presto.. job done... .😱
Nah- would have looked neater than that....
Should see the council and housing association's one day rewire crews. The cables in the loft are all over the shop
10 years ago had the council decide it was time for a rewire in the flat I rented in East London. After these geniuses yanked so hard they ripped red/black 2.5mm2 inside the conduit that went into the kitchen, they decide to run PVC channel throughout wherever they felt like. Guy in charge went around with a rotary hammer and 6" long 7mm bit, for the 1" plastic anchors... Wall to the toilet was 4" thick. Pushing hard on the drill hit his head on the wall as the bit inevitably went straight through and tore a foot radius of plaster over the bath on opposite side. They came back a week later to empty a tube of caulk into it.
To be fair a rewire in one day is taking the piss out of the boys.its too much work
Do council sparks have a bad rep in the industry? My dad had an ex-council electrician fit a new CU. Tails straight in with no gland. Holes bashed out top with no grommets. Cracked Henley Block on incoming live. All house circuits on single RCD.
@@JohnSmith-ws7fq Not all of them mate
@@kristianhumphreys7984 My boss has a team of 5 guys who subby for him and just do council rewires on a daily basis. I’m not even joking when I say this but they managed to completely rewire 5 3 bed houses in ONE WEEK. I went to one of them in the middle to help out at the end of the day and to be honest from what I saw it didn’t look too bad - considering they lashed it out in a day it was surprisingly neat although obviously I didn’t see what actually went into running the cables in
To be honest that seems to be the standard these days. I have seen a few comments about price, where I live £4k seems about right, although if he paid £10k or £1k for the job, the fact is, the job should comply with the regulations, and that clearly doesn't.
My local council want rewires done in a day, and I have seen the aftermath, and it's not pretty, the installations were in a better condition before the rewiring, and the truth is, they didn't need rewiring, just a new board and IP light in the bathroom.
I'm interested in what if any sanctions were placed upon the installer by the NICEIC or if they volunteered or were forced to make a full or partial refund?
Appalling work! And that's only what you can see, dread to think of the hidden horrors you can't see.
Hope customer takes them to the small claims court for the full cost & expense for another proper rewire...
How are we all doing the big bunch of cables in the loft space? Clipping individually, clipping in bunches or running in trunking/tray?
Did the customer believe that NICEIC registration was a guarantee of competence? David Savery tried to report a NAPIT contractor doing work to a standard similar to this, but no action was taken.
You will find that if they are niceic normally they get the contractor back to put it right like gas Safe,that's easier said then done if the customer doesn't want them back ,not sure why nick got involved,they normally get the local inspector to visit ,
They don't care, I used to tell my NIC guy each year when I came across crap work, but nothing ever got done, your better off not saying anything
@@acelectricalsecurity yeah your right like gas Safe,when we first started with the nic they used to be a charity know they are a company selling you there manuals and software,and a yearly fee,so throwing a registered nic company is like losing money from there bank 👍
@@tww5719 yeah same here, they made a big thing to tell you they were a charity, now it's a corporate monster taking as much cash as they can.
By farming this responsibility out to profit motivated organisations who have bought out all the opposition the government have created a monster........
So lazy to not just change the bonding clamp
That would have cost another £250. It wasn't included in the quote.
;-)
The whole job shouts ‘laziness’...
@@frimleyfrodo whole job shouts Friday afternoon!!!
@@paulf2529 Or another more lucrative job came in which they'd lose if they didn't rush this one.
I'm only a handyman but that's shocking . I like these channels great tips and gives me perfect examples why I recommend qualified sparks for electrical work to my customers. Yes I can change a socket but to add RCDs that's beyond me .
Brown tape around the twin/earth means thats the 2 switch connections...
Correct me if im wrong here, please..
£4500 for that, my prices are going up in the morning !!! Looks like it was done in a couple of days.
Free rewire with every kitchen fitted ;) With that style of install you have to question if the cable itself etc is up to standard.
No way are they qualified should be reported I not an electrician but that is disgraceful
Sometimes I doubt how good my work is then I see this be think I must be in the top 5% that actually work properly.
What the bloody hell is that. It's not quite bodge it and scarper but it ain't far short. C2 on going over pipework as the flow will be running at up to 80c. Just wow, I've seen some bad new installs but nothing quite that bad in the last year or two. Sad thing is it appears all those chases were taken up behind the coving with an angle grinder, neat cuts to put the coving back after?? It's not even half arsed it's like two different people were on site, one that knew what he was doing and another that just bodged running the cabling.
How much trouble would it have been to put a bit of insulation over the pipe where cables are near it? Doesn't make it neat but would drastically reduce the heat! Beyond lazy.
Best thing for that is Rip it out and start again🙈
Looks like a professional job to me, done by a plumber using the cable as an extra source of heat. I think it's called "trace heating" - supposed to stop pipes freezing in the Winter.???
The plumber seems to have done a great job!
Hahaha the socket directly above the hob is a real zinger. Jeeesus.
Hi im getting a socket rewire done soon because the neutral loop didnt pass the eicr test which meant the rcbo couldnt be fitted. The scores are low they were saying, I think it was 0.3 instead of a 1. They did these tests after changing the consumer unit. Should the electrician fill the walls and do put the floorboards and carpets back as they were? Thanks
I know it’s minor but the plastic blanks are surely okay with the metal cover flap over them?
The blanks are fine as they are as per manufacturers instructions. I personally prefer the Hager ones as they can't be pulled out. The trunking and outside light are fine aswell there's loads of bad stuff there so why pick up silly stuff.
I think Nick does a lot of estate agent work which mainly involves doing eicr’s picking up a lot of small details of which a lot would be fine in the eyes of a lot of sparks.
( no I’m not saying that’s not a Sh*te rewire) but a lot of the things he pulls up would only come from someone who does a lot of estate agent work
My new rewire looks similar to this. I thought it's a bit messy but been issued the eic. So I can't really withhold money.
It’ll be nice if you get to film you and or Adam doing the remedial work, the before ie wrong way and after - the correct way or at least better way. I think Adam is more than capable of highlighting all that needs doing to demonstrate that there are some fully qualified electricians or businesses that even if they did employ apprentices, the business owner or apprentice mentor fails to check and offer guidance if he can easily highlight and remedy some or most of the work himself. I would find it hard leaving cables in such a mess to be able to keep track of what circuit belongs to what cable run especially when carry out checks? Perhaps they didn’t?
Can you do a video on how to live splice incoming house supply cable please?
Exactly what I've been dealing with today🙄... its soul destroying! Loving the vids 👍🏿
Summed up perfectly nick.,, absolutely disgraceful!
Nick you say NICEIC contractor did you file a complaint and what was the reply
I have wired dozens of houses in my time and each one was done as if it was my own. I have never seen such a mess in 50 years of doing electrics.
Who will foot the bill to remedy these issues? if the previous spark was working under nic/napit will they claim the money for the customer, what will come of there accreditation also?
This is the sort of Job that makes the public think they can rewire without any worry, judging by that rewire.
Yep, there's a lot of "DIY comments" , I'm sure a lot of DIY would be better than this crap. Never mind code, common sense says no plug over the hob. FFS
Hi some advise please how much would fully rewire cost on a 3 bed 1930s fully empty-house code ? Cheers
Name and shame!!! This is absolutely ridiculous 🤯🤯
Sorry, the NIC said this was ok? Kitchen light switch out of the zone, socket directly over the hob, shitty bonding clamp and joists not drilled at the center? To be fair, it doesn't look like it would be *that* much work to make this install right - at least they've left plenty of slack on the cables so you can fix them properly.
Nothing like taking a bit of pride in your work...
As a work of Art that would surely get an award, or a large financial grant , ive never seen anything as bad .
Also somebody some day is going to have to work in that house, and going to be very worried at cut cables, are they dead or alive, i am when i find them, so stopped loft work now,unsecured cables are a trip hazard in an attic,thankfully Adam and i (Nick) are totally competent at renewing/repairing the stuff thats required.
£4500 for that! Is it in Jordans area for Artisan Electrics ?!
For that price I would of taken my time and made it neater with the cables supported in the loft and away from the heating pipes which I would say is a C2 and removed old cables after,It looks like it was rushed in on a tight deadline as in get the money and scarper.
I'd of renewed the earth clamp for what little effort and cost it would take.
The whole job looks a mess after the consumer unit.
As for the blanks in the consumer unit I'd prefer metal but I've had a couple of Hager metal consumer units lately still supplied with the plastic blanks off the shelf and the wholesalers not having the metal blanks in stock.
I think consumer unit manufacturers should all supply say 5 metal blanks as standard in the packaging.
It was probably less dangerous before the rewire ....
With rubber cable I would say not, but the new install is absolute crap.
How the hell do you sort that mess out?
Surely you would have to pull out all the loft cables and start re run them
So you don't have electrical permits and inspections in your area?
That floor put back down with electrical tape 😂😂
Run out of screws £500 quote to carry on with same ones.....just tape it then please
Granted its not a great install and I wouldn't leave it like that. But apart from some cable to put in trunking or clipped down. Is there anything in the regs to say it's not ok. Switch not in the prescribed zone. If its got rcd protection I thought that is technically OK. Not that I would do it. But what the regs say and best practice are 2 different things some times. What I can't understand is how people can walk away from a job like that and think yep I feel happy with that. I always wire a job expecting a spark to come in next week and look at the work if there's anything that i feel someone would pick up on I put it right.
I presume they also did some new tarmac on the drive at the same time - you know "do ya like dags"
Funny because someone mentions black on here or anywhere and the world goes mad because rascism yet Muppets like you can be rascist to others yet it's funny ....... #rascismiseverywhereyetwechoosenottoshoutaboutit.....
Yeah they lay it nice and tick 😂
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Hi Nick This is always a difficult call , the customer is reliant on the tradesman to do his job properly , and the tradesmen has a duty of care to the customer to do a professional job. Sounds simple you would think , but because our trade been has been allowed to be overrun by cowboys this is the inevitable result. And I blame 100% the trades governing body’s , most of them can quote the the regs with total ease, yet they couldn’t wire an out house . If they were doing their jobs properly 90% of this behaviour would be eliminated . And a proper registrar should be in place to list all those who have been found to be guilty of failing to meet the required standards. Backed up with hefty fines for those who continue to trade. We pay for inspections and monitoring . So they should be held accountable to prevent this happening. And finally I’d say to everyone out there who come across this type of work tell people, every mate , wholesaler , even next doors cat if you have to . Hit them we’re it hurts because trust me they won’t give a toss about you . Bless you Nick but you’ve got to expose these people so others will be not court out in the future .
A lot of remedial work to be done there Nick, good luck on that one Nick, I come across a lot off shoddy workmanship over the 27years being self employed you just can't get the staff these days a lot of people say they can install electrics like landlords who want to save a few quid while you're working on there rental property & they try &'wire an extra socket spuring of an existing and run the cable through the small hole where the fixing screw lugs are so when you screw socket back it damages cable with fixing screw & sharp edges of metal flush box. All the best Nick hope you sort all defects. Martin .
Should it not be a requirement for property to have a plan showing all services electric, gas and water for each room?
Hi Nick been watching your video’s for a while I’m not an electrician and don’t know the regs but I’m shour I could do a better D.I.Y. job than what has been done there
Are they skunk plant cutting on kitchen window ledge ,, just a thought after u saying customer wants to board loft an noticed fans in loft to 🤐
Enjoy your new rewire, just don't put the heating on.
Yeah fact
@@NBundyElectrical Fucking cowboys
please tell me you can report them for the work. would be nice to feel as a consumer action could be taken to remove their certification.
I think the NICEIC should be reported to the Ministry of Housing, or the HSE. They are churning out Domestic Installer qualifications and telling these people that they are now entitled to do this kind of work.
Have you sent your video to the niceic? Interested to hear what they say
Based on past experience they would not entertain it, the customer needs to complain, and if you have ever seen the rubbish they have to fill in you will see why people don't complain, and these companies just carry on.
He does mention at the start that the customer have been through the correct procedures with the NICEIC and they have stated that the work need rectifying.
Was it an occupied? 4500 seems on the low for an occupied and make good
ok, install looks shite no doubt about it. The fuse board though? Apart from blanks and gaps between trunking what's wrong with it? Are those rcbo's or mcbs? would of liked to see inside d.b. also.
Looks like they took the cheapest quote 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
At £4,500?
@@greenyamo1321 most likely the kind of guy who said "I'll match anything cheaper, it's not normally the kind of job I would do though, lotta work!"
That was my first thought also.
I am just a Consultant, but for a new consumer unit and re wire £4.5k sounds about right. Only issue here is quality of install
@@sandymcnair5298 hager rcbo board off the shelf like that is about £500 + installed, bonding, tails & test looking at least £1100 installed and signed off.
In my working life I designed and wired up machinery control panels. I cannot understand why domestic sparks don't do the same i.e put cables in trunking & conduit and also mark them up for easy identification.
That's a hell of a lot of cables for a switch.
I'm striiping out an 1880s house. Over it's 140 year lifespan it has been fully wired 3 times. I know this because there are 3 completely different sets of wiring.....Luckily only one set is connected up !
Watching this video shaking my head, as a young spark even I can see that’s disgraceful
I’d be happy with that.... if I paid a grand for it.
Joking aside, I wouldn’t wanna be you right now sorting it out 😩
I'd rip out and start again... the workmanship of that electrican has the " don't give a flying fuck" vibe to me. How do we know there isn't more hidden shit that you would then have to put your name on if you carried out work...
I’ve seen worse than that - customer paid £5k up front for a new board with the RCD’s disconnected - new cables out of the fuse board then jointed onto the old cables above the downstairs toilet ceiling - the “spark” got the floorboards up on the landing and used a twin and earth as some strappers to a 2 way switch but used the cpc as the line conductor - customer was an elderly man and used all of his savings to get it done - oh and when he put the boards back down he screwed into a central heating pipe 6 times in different places. This went beyond rough and he was a proper rogue trader - NICEIC were trying to prosecute him for using their logo when he wasn’t registered with them - we followed him round for a couple of years and every job was the same - £4,5k to rewire a 1 bed flat which was only rewired 10 years earlier - all he did was change the switch faces - again money up front and an old lady - scumbags
Shocking
This is the sort of guy trading standards should be taking to court as the customer probably can’t afford to risk the money
Things like this make me happy I'm paying nothing upfront for my rewire.
Hi Nick,
An absolute disgrace. There are far too many so-called electricians out there that I wouldn’t trust to put a light bulb in. It would seem logical to start again but maybe you are happy to do the remedial work. Whatever the outcome the homeowner will be assured of a first-class installation.
Best wishes.
Fair play to you as your platform has given customers the opportunity to see what is acceptable or not...you mentioned the NIC so if it was an approved domestic installer or contractor, it's my understanding their guarantee should pay for the new work. one comment said it's probably labour doing the work and being signed off by a qualified electrician. Well you don't even need to leave the garage to see that the earth bonding fails. The company should be chucked out of the NICICE and banned from joining another partP organisation!!
Hi nick I will not be happy if I got someone to do the full rewire that if I was a customer and I will do the same job but neat and tidy
When the customer asked the installer, "how longs the guarantee on this mate?" he got the reply "how long it take me to get to the M1"
How can you work with all that fluff up there ?
Please tell me you picked up the scrap they missed weighed it in use the money from the scrappy and sent them a couple of boxes of tower clips
Thay should have got you in. Well done .
People won't spend and will always go for the cheapest price - save some money. You get what you pay for. I've worked with many eastern European lads and the vast majority due have pride and are bloody good sparks. It doesn't matter where you were born there's a cowboy in every country.
How much would a full rewire be on a standard 2 bedroom house ?
how can that person who id the rewire call himself "electrician"? does he even have a real license? 🤣🤣
Really that is really crap again another customer suffers 😡😡😡 if that’s what you can see on the surface who knows what is hidden. Rewire again me thinks
watching this video made my blood boil! An excellent report from N Bundy Electrical for showing it for what it is. As a Certified electrical engineer and member of the IET, with 48 years service in the electricity supply industry and also being a full SAP for both NG and DNO, I have lived and worked with the Regs throughout my entire career and some of you reading this will understand what I mean when I say you live with rules and the regulations 24 hours a day - you never switch off. Having now retired, I have been giving a great deal of thought to obtaining the latest qualifications in the 18th edition, L3 NVQ Electrical Installation and L3 NVQ Inspections which I know wont be easy!!! It absolutely infuriates me to see work like this in this video and it is my guess that the people who did this were clearly NOT fit, and probably NOT competent nor qualified to do such work but, if they were bonified and certified electricians, they should be struck off the authoritive body's register forthwith! It frustrates me no end to think even with my decades of experience and competencies, I would still need to study/train for the appropriate qualifications before I could carry out any "reportable" work.
Madness? No, that is SPARTA!
Workman’s ship is definitely not there however it looks pretty safe to be used by a regular person.
Sorry Nick, twas a Friday, I found an open pub. Had to be gone
Makes it harder for sparks to get any work, charging correct rates, when 'handymen' can come and do this for half the price
100%. Customers need to know that cheap is rubbish
Also, you're right in what you say, 'correct rates', which doesn't mean rip off rates, just a fair rate for the work involved.
@@JD-gi9pl paying for our knowledge and education of safe working practices
Did the house have a flood / leak?
I suppose none of us are without "sin" however that was Mortal ☘️🇮🇪☘️
This is what happens when you let 5 week warriors have the ability to sign off their own work!!
No way an experienced spark did that job, you wouldn’t sleep at night. I blame the scheme operators they allow this to happen by giving membership to inexperienced under qualified cowboys. It seems you only need a voltstick a 10m swimming certificate the membership fee & suddenly you are a reputable contractor
I hate to say it but I've found it's generally not the 5 week warriors but the large firms who bash out rewires all day. I find the 5 week warriors look neat until you take the covers off.
Arnold j Rimmer. BSC.
Bronze swimming certificate
@@jenton93 usually the big firms have a supervisor who checks all the jobs over & does the testing to avoid this sort of crap. This one looked like the worst kind of DIY job done by a clueless cowboy who can self cert, a case of “it works don’t it”!!. No reputable contractor would drag cables round heating pipes or leave unsecured cables routed as the “crow fly’s”. The big question is how many more of their jobs look like that. If they are leaving work like that where you can see it, imagine what it looks like under the floors.
I’ve lost count of the jobs I’ve seen done by this type of idiot & the worst part is they all have some sort of cert from a 2 bit domestic installer scheme. Customers are fooled into a false sense of security by these unpoliced schemes. There is no random sampling or testing carried out by any of the providers which enables unscrupulous contractors to get away with this kind of crap
@@guymartin7757 The original wiring in the loft my 1960-built bungalow was wired "as the crow flies", straight over the top of the rafter and with no slack at all. Clearly speed of installation and using the minimum amount of cable were the main criteria. It would have been OK if nobody had ever wanted to use the loft, but it made it a bugger to lay boarding.
Nowt to do with where you did you quals this is just laziness. It's not like the 5 week courses tell you this is acceptable (they teach the exact same courses that colleges teach to apprentices, it's just condensed). This is just chancers thinking they can get away with it
We are looking for a complete rewire of our semi bungalow in Mansfield shortly hope to god it dosent end up like this what a bloody bodge.
Give us a shout if you need a quote Tony 👍
@@NBundyElectrical Hey will do thanks for that.
There isn't a regulation for using plastic blanks.
You would need a tool to remove them in order to touch exposed conductive parts too so 416.2.1 is adhered to.
As long as 421.1.201 is satisfied there is nothing wrong.
What will happen to the original electrician(hard to call them that)? Will they be kicked out the NIC? Get a warning?! What’s the procedure to stop them robbing other customers?
Here in lies the problem.
Quote for a Consumer Unit change (fully tested and certified, etc).
Customer comes back telling me they can get it for half the price I’m charging. At this point I wish them well and walk away.
Pay cheap, pay twice
You didn't mention who will pay to 'put it right' and what are the consequences for the 'electrician' now the NIC know the standard of thier work (nothing)?
Let's face it,doesn't take that longer to run the cables neatly and in trunking if needed,feel sorry for the customer
Where do u start fixing this .and how long would this take