DOMINATING Gentoo Linux With a 32 Core Threadripper
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- Опубликовано: 27 апр 2022
- I decided to test out my threadripper by compiling Gentoo on it, it was even faster than I thought it would be.
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fear not the man who has installed 1000 distros, fear the man who has installed a distro 1000 times
If a man has installed Gentoo 1000 times, that men is inmortal, no way a mortal has enough time to do it
@@greyshopleskin2315 believe me its not that hard to install a distro 1000 times , not even for gentoo
@@armwrestling_nerd r/whooosh
LOL! But what if they are a sysadmin!?
Nah. Fear the man who has 1000 cores to compile a distro
Wow! What a HARDCORE spec, you really RAILED Gentoo with all those cores. Absolute MASSIVE LOADS of performance. I love watching these DOMINATION videos, Luke!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
i CAME to see this RIPPING, the thumbnail was so high tech!
Luke absolutely blew this video out of the park!
Kenny not Luke
@@expensive-brother r/wooosh
“The Linux kernel is super bloated.”
Ironic. He could save others from bloat, but not himself.
@@Zex-4729 or BSD
BSD is definitely much lighter
Or even HURD, it is definitely not bloated
@@WizardNumberNext HURD isn't bloated, it is malnourished
It is as only bloated as you let it be, because by default it includes all the options and firmware so that it works on every fucking device out there, even on calculators and thermometers and whatever you can think of.
Yea, exactly, why go binary when its likely no one else will. Install one of the kernel sources and show the build process...it can't take THAT long with 64 cores. Plus he could have sped up the playback to show the compile process.
does adding the - -quiet flag reduce compile time in any measurable manner? I do wish I could have a progress bar or something tho. i have an ancient optiplex with a 4 core i5-3570 so any tips is appreciated. no job still so no monster threadripper yet for me.
This brings back so many memories of sitting around waiting for DAYS on end to install my gentoo system back on slot 1 Pentium processors. Only to wipe it and install RedHat which would quickly get hacked. Then switch back to Gentoo and compile again for days.
how many days it took to compile everything you need
Why and how easily would RHEL be hacked ?
@@rishirajsaikia1323 we don't speak about the early days of RHEL or yum
As a German Gentoo user all i can say is nice music choice for that BLITZCOMPILATION.
This CPU is a dream, a very distant dream but still a dream
I never thought i'd hear my own voice in a song in a video from Mental Outlaw. I approve :D !
How in the world did *your* comment of all fell trough to the bottom of the comment section?!
Still crazy to me the amount of ram these systems can support these days, 100+ Gb is just crazy when im still running 8Gb
8 GB life :(
4 gb life :despair:
8MB windows 3.1 life
Swap life. It's not bad though, I have that on my main system and have zero issues in linux. Other OS's though are awful.
1GB and it still work (somehow)
Gentoo did take days to install back in 2004. Mainly because we had single core 32bit CPUs back then.
Big respect for the users of those days.
Can’t think of a better prank than installing gentoo on a hardware level to a school computer.
think of the possibilities bro, all it takes is a dinky little live cd
technically ChromiumOS is a gentoo-based distro, so you can patch it to look just like ChromeOS but have emerge and sudo precompiled and preinstalled into it, and i believe recent versions of ChromiumOS can even literally display wayland windows inside the default GUI, intended for virtual machines (crouton) but i think they would also work for apps running outside any chroot or VM so i believe it is possible to make an insane sleeper frankendistro like that
i want to make that some day but i dont have time right now. that is probably why nobody else has made it yet because it just makes more sense to use a different distro or use a VM that doesn't have to have a ton of library conflicts and patching needed to run apps
@@quintitschool computers should have the BIOS locked down to prevent this normally no? Not sure what school computers look like these days but I'd imagine that if the security is set up sanely then you'd have to escalate privileges first
Specially if that school uses low-end computer hardware like potatoes from early 00's with Pentium IVs or something alike.
buys 100% of cpu yet only wants to use less than 1% of cpu
@скаI thought it was another bot, goddammit
@ска wow, not a bot, suprising in this climate B)
damn they got me it was a bot
@@maxfuerstenberg5893 Of course it was. They posted three comments (almost) at the same time as a reply to the most recent comment in the section.
They're evolving…
that thumbnail might be the greatest thumbnail I've ever seen 🤣
Piper Perri agrees
"installing gentoo is not that hard"
Installing gentoo:
Nothing is too hard if you have 3-5 years of prior experience
For me I only had a problem with setting up a uefi bootloader. On the plus side they already had a clear solution unlike Arch Linux.
@@theraven.4 why its super easy to Install grub ...?
@@redrush-hp9li First problem was the lack of knowledge of the removable flag, second problem was not knowing to enable EFI in the VirtualBox machine settings, third problem was settings that didn't get saved, then I dealt with the frame buffer issue. After that I finished the install. I am planning on making the switch from Arch to Gentoo eventually. I just need to plan my setup.
If you can install arch you can install gentoo.
it's times like 4:52 why there's zero regret watching a walk-through of something that may be already redundant for me.
supporting the channel with a listen through @ 1.75x, had to roll it back, chef's kiss 👌
This is so awesome! Btw, DON"T use a swap partition but a swapfile. Also because (U)EFI/GPT are better than BIOS/MBR (failsafe mechanism for example), it should be always be used instead, even if only in hybrid mode.
BTRFS on root works perfectly fine and offers many significant improvements and features compared to different filesystems. Always use BTRFS when possible or likely even better ZFS.
march=native is more optimized than just for cpu family architecture. It also optimizes for that particular cpu model when possible.
-j option should be cpu threads +1 for IO thread. Or so the used to say. I guess that it may be beneficial to have many more for all those extra IO capabilities of NVMe drives. It's worth a test.
You really should try to use the USE flags as much as possible, especially before the installation. This should save you compile times and improve performance and add additional features for programs that other distros don't have, like for example Ubuntu doesn't include PCRE search functionality into ripgrep, (but pcre2grep is a better option for that if you can compile it there lol).
Your capture card has a problem there @ 14:47 because this is a different type/mode of low level graphical interface which works differentlu than text mode AFAIR. But that doesn't mean that a capture card shouldn't support these lesser used modes.
With mirrorselect the search for fastest mirrors should be done rather than choosing manually. It only takes a few minutes max, yet it saves download time always.
@ 19:30. No, actually selecting nomultilib profile for thhe entire system means lesser compile times and is recommended unless you still need 32 bit libs for some reason.
Does hibernation works with a swapfile?
@@zeGolem83 I've never had a problem with it. I don't see why it would since in linux's file system a partition is just a file anyway. A swapfile just makes it easier to configure later since you don't have to adjust partitions just to change the size
@@douglassmalls6934 it also doesn't always allocate all of the dedicated space for it all the time like separate swap partitions do. This is beneficial also because the more empty space you have, the better it is for the drive/performance.
i thought swapfiles are slower? because they have to be processed by the fs
also, what makes btrfs better than ext4?
Alan Aztek ?? not only you are based at cooking, computers, hitting the gym, and walks in the wood, but you also have great music taste damn
Threadripper, 128 gigs of ram, but a 5 year old video card. I feel that hahaha. I am not paying double MSRP for a new GPU.
I feel that. Sadly, prices are not going down anytime soon...a few more years at minimum and that's IF supply/demand is met.
GTX1080Ti is still a great GPU
Had a long day at work standing all day at my new job. This video is the perfect reward. Thanks!
Thanks a looooot...You helped me so much(as always).
I was installing gentoo (at same time) on my laptop MSI GT76-10SGS-128GB, I had some issues but, it was so great.
Gentoo was my fifth distro. I was still in highschool in the early 2000s when it came out. My dumb ass tried to install it on a Pentium 1 IBM with a 2 gigabyte hard drive.
I even had it overclocked to 133 MHz.
I remember having to physically swap hard drives so I could find out how to install the x window manager.
That was my initial kind of setup during that time. Got lucky and found a good place for picking up old computers but jonesy people so old as in not the latest gen stuff. At that point I had to keep some sort of second computer, be it a desktop, laptop or lately my raspberry pi. Even better when both run Linux with the appropriate keys to work with and on each other.
Linux install/tutorial vids like these are so comfy. I'd love these any chance you feel like it.
Thanks for blessing us with another Gentoo vid
I'm glad the guidebook mentions installing over ssh, made installing via minimal install way easier doing it from my already-running desktop
21 penguins in total could be displayed on the screen...
I guess it's not much worth going for that many cores after all =/
Advise: mount /var/tmp/portage as a tmpfs (if you can spare the RAM). This way, the whole compile process will be done in memory and only the install files are written to the hard drive (saves SSD cycles, too).
This is the type of counsel people need
hippity hoppity diese Kommentarsektion ist nun deutsche property
Man.. how I missed those Gentoo Installs of yours, specially now with your new threadripper.
Just followed your vid for my first gentoo installation. Dankeschön!
This channel is like think before you sleep combined with me at 3am and I love it
You have some amazing music! And one incredible computer jesus
The music in the compiling sessions is on point, I had to vibe so bad
I absolutely love the concept of Gentoo. It’s like someone got tired of computers being fast, so they came up with a way to artificially slow them down to a crawl. And people like it. Amazing…
I mean just some extra overhead for installing software and if you have a fast computer it's not going to take that long. General performance is comparable to any other distro.
@@theodis8134 Oh of course, I know it’s only when you’re installing and updating software. For people who want fast hardware but don’t have a real use for it, it’s the best of both worlds: you’re daily activities stay fast, but you can still justify the cores when updating your system.
General performance should be better than any other distros because by compiling from source the binaries are optimized for your machine and not generic ones.
@@TheInvoker Exactly...not a massive difference, but being able to squeeze every bit of performance out of the hardware we buy is definitely worth it.
Linux and masochism are like peanut butter and jelly.
44 minute long mental outlaw
done blessed by the good Lord today
True
@@-..._-. heretic
I know man, I love these longer videos.
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Daaamn, That moment you hear german music an a mental outlaw Gentoo video!! Nice One, bra!!
Sweet video! Fyi the music/sfx cuts are a bit loud compared to your voice, but otherwise a very enjoyable video that kept me watching the whole way thorough. :)
A big thumbs up from me. Twas the gentoo that started my bsd...and NOW back to gentoo. RTFM, should really be, PAY TENSION, else STRESS.
Hey Mental Outlaw! Thanks to you I swapped to Gentoo about 6 month ago and I'm very happy I did. I got a Threadripper 1950 with 16 cores and 32 threads.
I installed Gentoo in 2001. I have used it at home and at work since. I approve of this video.
good video! waiting for the custom kernel
"Fastest swimming penguin species."
-wiki
That's correct...I wasn't familiar with Gentoo. Now I am; thanks MO✌
I truely appreciate it.
Ngl, that's one of the best thumbnails I've seen in a while
Stabile Installation mein Kerl!
Da fühle ich mich als Arch user gar nicht mehr special. Aber naja, die Gentoo User mussten unseren Ruf als Linux Elitists natürlich klauen :P
Thanks to your videos I began installing Gentoo on a G4 Mac Mini. Two days ago. Not even reached compiling the kernel yet. It's very slow. BUT it's a current linux on a eighteen year old Mac with a ppc cpu. At least... If it will finish before it dies.
Omg that song is so fire. German happy hardcore is just absolute bae
One of your best walkthroughs yet. I’m on Artix and don’t know if I’ll ever get around to a Gentoo install, but glad to have this point of reference as a good starting point. I know, I know, just consult and rtfm, but still, it’s nice to have someone break it down pretty thoroughly. (Kernel compilation aside).
Thanks again. Great vid/tutorial.
startx =) what a great time I had with gentoo. Gentoo introduced me to Linux. Ubuntu didnt work on my mashine, so I had to switch to Gentoo
Great video. And great taste in music.
Weiter so!
Diese Gentoo-installation gehört der Bundesrepublik Deutschland!
Lol, didn't expect Bassmark (german hardbasn) in here lmao, good song, fits in here perfectly
Kannte den noch gar nicht. Richtig gut.
@@linus.
Kannte den auch nur von nem Kumpel xD
Sind im Auto voll drauf abgegangen, als wir 4h fahren mussten lmao
This "walkthrough" took 5.5 hours on my tiny Intel NUC, with a i3-6100U and 16Gb Ram. Totally worth it :) Everything worked at first try, so thank you Sir! Oh and nice music too :) I owe you a beer!
Careful there. The 32 cores might be too spicy for Susan. 😏
The performance paradox. With gentoo you can optimize your system for minimal resource usage, but need a beefy CPU for all that coompiling, yet if you have a powerful CPU, those performance gains don't matter so much. I think the best use case for Gentoo is being a Monero mining node
It gives you the bragging rights to other neckbeards.
Maybe cross-compiling onto another weaker system is a good idea?
@@Jupiter__001_ I'm interested in how you do that
@@Jupiter__001_ so you buy an expensive computer exclusively to compile software onto your normal one
For me Gentoo is not just about performance, it’s also about being able to see the source code of everything that is being installed.
Just a tip: I used to put /home in a separate partition. If something goes wrong in an future update and that needs a fresh (re)install, you not lose your data or need a difficult recuperation. With this ton of space, you can spare around 200GB to /root and the rest to /home.
About distro itself: Gentoo is all about optimizations. You can fine-tuning the system to offer only the absolutely necessary to run. A little example: FFMPEG package haves 40+ dependencies. Most of them is to support obscure or not-so-popular formats of audio and video. In a popular distro, all of these goes together. Useless to 99% of users. In Gentoo, you get only what you want.
A case here at home: recently I get an i3-9100F machine. 4GB RAM, 256GB SATA SSD. First I tried MX Linux. My machine goes irritating slow. Tried Fedora after, same thing. So I tried Gentoo, despite I not install it in other machines in a while. What a f***ing diference. From start to graphical login, less than 10 seconds. Then around 10 seconds or less to enter GNOME 40 and just start working. Of course, it is not for beginners. And the compilation times is a pain depending on packages installed. At least for some big ones like Firefox, LibreOffice and others they have pre-compiled binaries ready to use.
Damn I wish I had these specs, gratz man
Do you want a bigger electricity bill?
@@sfa22 Yes.
@@sfa22 just don't pay your bills duhhhh
28:55 No words more truly spoken.
Be Gentoo with me baby. Threadripper: No.
@Locked Sugma nuts
Running a 3960x and 128gb as well. And lemme tell ya, gentoo will never be the same lol
Emerging Firefox, rust, llvm, and gcc in one go takes less than just Firefox on my 12 thread laptop lol. Add a tmpfs with all the ram and it's just perfect
Back in the days, I compiled Gentoo on a VIA C6. Running Gentoo was useful, as the C6 is a pseudo-586 platform, and lacks some CPU instructions normally present. Compiling from source then still gives better performance than running a 386-compatible distro.
Anyway, it was painfully slow compiling from stage 1.
I have nightmares of Cyrix CPU's, I didn't run Linux back then (late 90's) so blue screen heaven with Windows. Eventually moved to AMD K6 and never looked back since, currently running Ryzen.
Great video. I noticed on your initial boot into the installed system that you had a read error on /boot because your /etc/fstab has /dev/sda1's filetype specified as ext4 when it should be vfat. Many thanks for introducing more people to Gentoo!
the image in my head of a 4-eyed cat vibing to german hardbass is hilarious to me
That was super fast! must be nice!
Reminds me of my first Arch install.
Well I use a Gen. kernel as a safety belt and my own custom kernel. Building your own kernel is a roller coaster. Either it works brilliantly or it panics at the boot process.
I would do this on my laptop or if I ever get a newer computer. As it is right now, I'm stuck with no tools to transfer over things over from windows and such. T_T
For some reason this install worked better for me than his actual install guide
Hahahaha nice that you included that German party banger :)
The volume of this video is all over the place! :-)
das ist ein sehr gutes Video
Haha those BassMark lyrics :D
Wow. What a thorough test. You've totally nailed qtwebengine and electron compilation.
Is no one going to talk about the Thumbnail? His thumbnail creativity reached a new peak today
The music is great
Endlich mal vernünftige Musik :D Ein Hoch auf BassMark :D
Ah, yes. The perfect content before bed after a 12 hour night shift
Aw yes!, a tutorial I'm unable to do, nice
Gute Musikwahl :)
I swear you have the best thumbnails
Are you planing on hibernating your desktop with the swap partition so much smaller than RAM?
He literally forgot he was in chroot at the end. 🤣 Nice build btw. I think I'll build me one later this year when the new ryzens come out.
LOL, I was thinking the exact same thing, and the errors didn't register with him at all.
Hey mind sharing your process for taking notes? Do you use paper or text? How do you organize it?
I have no interest in ever swapping to linux fully, but I genuinely love this channel's linux/privacy content and the way you explain things. Easily one of my favorute channels on this website, keep it up Mr outlaw!
why no interest?.. bought a new laptop recently and arch actually installed much easier than Windows... Windows didn't have drivers for my nvme controller apparently
with the arch AUR i haven't come across any software i wanted thati couldn't get (yet)
@@baucelabs1159 I am a freelance texture artist who relies on the adobe substance suite and 3DS max/blender for work.
I personally run an Ubuntu VM on the side for fun but outside of that completely changing my OS has never appealed to me. I have still taken steps to improve my online privacy and security, including swapping browser and debloating windows.
@@ballsticseal Blender is open source and works on linux, but yeah, the rest of your software stack not so much. You could dual boot or even have two PCs so you can separate personal (linux) from work (windows or macOS)
I installed gentoo onto a hard drive from my laptop a while ago... It took 9 hours. My first install went well.
thanks bro, again
I have the TempleOS hymn set as my wake up alarm, I got so confused when it started playing in the video lol
Hello Mental Outlaw, very cool
Diese Kommentarsektion ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschland.
Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Kommentarbereich!
"My system is too powerful to use nano"...best line ever! Hahahahaha
I know for many power-users Gentoo is like a pilmigrage end goal to achieve, but i want to remind everyone that Gentoo isn't for everyone. If for your professional or personal needs you don't need an absolute configurability or familiarity with the system or if the wait times you will need to endure for recompiling during updates or installation is inexcusable for you then don't go for it. From my experience, people who use Gentoo do it because they find the experience more enjoyable than other distros in their daily drive. Gentoo is not a miracle drug for your work optimization, Arch linux, Mint and even Ubuntu are as capable of doing your work done as Gentoo.
I used gentoo for a while and I agree with you, it's not for everyone. The level of configurability/flexibility is really unnecessary for those who just want a daily driver. However I still recommend everyone give it a try to get a deep dive into Linux and really understand how things work
It's easier to do things like compile all my drivers into the kernel than to deal with modules. It's also easier to use an EFI stub to boot rather than try to configure a boot loader. It's also nice not having a billion -dev packages because on gentoo every package is compiled from source, so you already have the source code ready.
Gentoo is for people who want to configure their system the way they want and don't need training wheels to keep them from fucking up. It has a steep learning curve but it's easily the best distro once you know what you're doing.
For me, the pilgrimage end goal to achieve, is LFS.
YES I am obsessed about Linux as an ex windows-user, started out with a RasPi 3b+ 3+ years ago. I run Arch, BTW lol. I want to learn the ins and outs of my OS and software in general,so I feel Gentoo is a worthwhile time-investment for me. Not that its that hard to install FreeBSD with a desktop but I did, and then I thought I was PRO. lol, I was not. Gentoo is a different beast.
I would've used BSD as an OS but I had weird issues Ive never had on Linux. Linux is ready, BSD is not ready for desktops I feel
It's not for everyone... but I have more fun and satisfaction from it than from other distros, I like Arch but Gentoo is just fun and frustrating all at the same time.
The thumbnails are always the best 😂
That's one helluva thumbnail bro 😂 And I do get it...
Thumbnail Gold 🏆 💯
zoom really nice but i guess its not possible in all video
Just in the place I got stuck 😂
But its very helpfull
Thank you
I'm following along in an apt building at 4am (most of my neighbors are sleeping) and all of a sudden he puts on the German electronica (several decibels higher than his voice) - luckily I have a manual audio kill switch to disconnect my KRK V6 speakers. Somebody had to have gotten jolted awake by that.
Bro, die Musik geht richtig hart
Hey Mental Outlaw, I'm not sure if you read comments but I want to give a video suggestion, recently a lot of free nintendo switch piracy shops have been closed down because of google drive nuking all education drives. This has also hurt normal users storing data in that only for the sake of "anti-piracy".
I don't know if there will be enough content for the video but in that case, then I just wanted to let you know about it.
23:08 “Autism is too powerful to let me use nano, so i’m going to emerge vim” hahah
Ive got a 5950x but gentoo is still confusing to me lol LOVE the channel though man
GCC 12_pre9999 -- GentooLTO overlay, LTO (single partition instead of multi), PGO, Ofast, Devirtlto, Seminterpos, Ipapta, Noplt.
Dual core laptop at 2.3ghz.... So it really takes forever to compile, but the results speaks for itself. Obviously with tuned kernel.
You forgot autoFDO and PGO
Would you not want to use gdisk if doing a gpt type setup? I haven't seen any issues or difference using fdisk or gdisk...
Out of curiosity, what's the need for swap when you have 128G ram?
just in case you want to open more than 3 chrome tabs
hybernate
@@Saturate0806 can you use a swap file for hibernation?
@@julezleo3624 lmao
Well, you have 4TB of hard drive ;o)
In general I think swap is useless, but I would have swap file, especially on SSD there's no point in having swap partition.
One possible reason might be that you are having a lot of software open, and then you want to install some software. Compiling might take just enough of memory that some bits would need to be swapped. Not with the settings Mental is using, but if you have LTO + PGO and other more aggressive optimization flags, then the use of RAM goes up.
Thank you for being yourself mr outlaw.
This high end stuff is nice to look at.
Any advice/preference on an old laptop to purchase that predates intel management engine?
Harvard Mark III
You can install libre boot on a thinkpad X200 and entirely remove the management engine