Geo Economics: India, Pakistan and Bangladesh - Uzair Younus - PTI vs PMLN - TPE
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Uzair Younus is a visiting fellow at the United States Institute of Peace looking at the region of South Asia.
Uzair Younus comes back on the podcast to discuss why Bangladesh is surging ahead of Pakistan, the geoeconomics of South Asia, what impact Biden's presidency may have on Indo-Pak relations and if the recent comments by Pakistan suggest a strategic policy shift.
We also discuss the new State Bank provisions, whether Pakistan should have gone to the IMF, food inflation, the eroding purchasing power, the petroleum crisis and rising extremism.
We get into a deep dive discussion about the sociopolitics and the economy of Pakistan - is there reason to be hopeful or are we headed for an economic disaster? What are the biggest economic challenges facing PTI right now? What are the potential solutions?
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The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications. He can be found on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Tinder.
Chapters:0:00 Introduction0:58 The case for Capitalism11:30 Biden: The Centrist Daddy18:30 I was hopeful about Imran Khan23:10 Pakistan-India diplomacy39:41 Right-wing Media only has capitalist interests41:10 Is BJP Fascist? 52:14 Why is Bangladesh moving ahead of Pakistan?1:04:48 Elite Capture in Pakistan1:20:00 Does America not manufacture anymore?1:24:00 Lack of savings and human capital in Pakistan1:44:00 Transparency International's Corruption Index1:54:00 Gross Public Debt 1:59:00 Should the State Bank be autonomous? 2:08:00 Is IMF good for Pakistan?2:13:00 Food Inflation in Pakistan and Public Transportation2:23:30 Comparing Economic Growth: Pakistan, India and Bangladesh2:32:00 Deficit to GDP and Tax to GDP 2:39:00 Positives and Conclusion
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At 16:00 he says Maharashtra se log ja rahe hai sehro ki Taraf ya north ki tarha ? Boy does he really knows India ? That migration took place when people left Maharashtra after lockdown to go at there native places. And it was chaotic because of sudden lockdown, Maharashtra is most industrialized state in India and people migrate to Maharashtra for work. The migration was one time migration and majority of those people are back in Maharashtra for work and livelihood.
I think he was right. The least common denominator for migration is climate change again.
@@shanecallum5990 But with Climate Change people from internal MH would go to Mumbai and Pune not to the North.
But CM Uddhav Thackeray appealed migrants to not leave Maharashtra at that time.
He may be referring to some other migration. Not the covid migration..
I did a basic Google search and he is right, there is migration happening in india because of climate change, from agricultural areas to cities..
@@mrgyani That migration has been happening for a 100 years. Go to cities in UP and everyone knows someone in their family who still farms. Most people realised that Farming cannot sustain families anymore in India.
Pakistan was made on the basis on religion and Islamic laws.. But they never say Pakistan are fascist 😏
That’s because intelligent people don’t call themselves intelligent.
Great discussion, watched entire 3 hrs from India and enjoyed topics shared. Keep up the good work. Hope sanity prevails.
Btw, i honestly didn't think Shezad that you also believe ki Modi has occupied Kashmir.. Really? I had thought you had a more balanced approach to the situation... :-( sad to hear you say this.
Expectataion is root of all heartache : Shakespeare
Most Pakistanis have no idea of what's going on in Kashmir.
@@redoctober4071 hahah! Well put!
@@orion7326 neither do the Indians mate. It’s all the damn politicians that are making havoc. Damn them all
He has to say that otherwise the next time he lands up in Pakistan he will get lynched
Come on. Modi was genuinely interested in connecting with Mian Nawaz because he was interested in economics. Pakistan gave them an excuse because the Pak army wanted to get rid of Mian Saab. And wanted to get Khan Saab instead. The visit gave them excuse and the subsequent attacks gave the hindutva elements their excuse. Internal politics kills it all!!
As a indian i absolutely agree with everything being said today. All the other pak origin channels simply talk about fascism and hitler when referring to modi. You are different as you and your guest spoke on a wide range of issues and as an indian i loved it . Thank you
Golwalkar is fascist for wanting a Hindu Rashtra while Jinnah is Liberal for wanting a Muslim Country. And what about hounding of Modi by congress?
lol 🤣 pakistan whole existence is in question by this
Before you question the ideology of Hinduvata/ Hindus . Do some introspection about Islamic Republic of Pakistan where they have used Islamic hatred towards the non believers as a state policy against Hindus, Sikhs, Jain's & Christians . stop being Naive
These guys give fair and nuanced analysis of everything, sir. First watch his other podcasts and then accuse. He even had Indian guests, btw
@@adwaitab.3622 He is talking about this podcast
Only podcast from pakistan after ganjeswag i watch to love....
Same here
Muzamil Hasan's Thoughts behind things is great too
@@xyz-fq5nm too centrist, that podcast is ok as long as it doesn't touch politics. You can see clearly when Ali Hameed tries to talk about the establishment and Manzoor, he clearly avoids further discussion. TPE is only one which i have found to have the guts to at least talk about all issues.
@@umayr2935 agreed. These podcasts can be good but I feel sometimes TPE tends to be very subjective. Like just to prove the point that Pakistan's economic growth is too slow they showed that India's gdp contracted - 8% while contraction was actually around - 23%. And Bangladesh is practically under one party rule right now 🤷♀️
Like at least they should TRY to give an objective perspective
@@xyz-fq5nm nobody has to prove Pakistan's economic growth to be slow, its very obvious when the government celebrates remittances, which actually proves that more people dont want to work here.
The stats you mentioned might be correct but i dont think that one would rely only on these to prove a point so obvious, however that level of neutrality might be present in any podcast
This was good! Always nice to listen to you both. Please know that not all Indians are as sensitive as you might find in these comments. We may disagree but we also understand the reasons for your opinions. We all want to improve the life standards of people of subcontinent. A shared history of colonial era can take lot of the blame. The least we can do is do our work honestly. And you are doing that brilliantly, for sure.
Mid day meal scheme in schools was started in Tamilnadu in 70s. Then they added one egg to it. A massive chicken industry sprouted near the rice de husking areas because rice bran was the major food for chicks.
Modi is a tireless worker .
He sleeps only 6 hrs or less
Doesn't waste even second .
Every second he is full of energy.
He has intelligence bigger than Harward Univ grads ...
Practical ones . Usefull ones ..
He is a genius
lol are you his maid? how do you know? You clowns believe in worshipping people rather than treating them what they are, an average human who is not perfect.
Itna hard working hai toh mere khet dehadi lagage bhej do.
Sara kaam ek bande ko nai karna hota. Modiji ko baith ke sari chize apne hath se nai karni hai. 5 hours sleep isn't a criteria for anything
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahhahahahahahahahahahah
But of all the points and opinions, "Kitnaa bhi padhe, khatne ka asar nahin choot-tha", has been proved.
I watch your video {from bangladesh} I live in a small town tangail and our 12 municipality ward councillor is studying 5 standards .but during his last 5 year terms he changes enter area road electricity tax security every sector, he had made this area beautiful living place. because of his success, the main things have determent of development, I think Pakistani politician has no dedication, commitment and positive thinking of development perfectly.
Well I am from India visited Bangladesh last year.. really changed a lot
Hopefully bangladesh india relation will be part of success story in progress of both nations.
Three hours honestly flew by😂 Uzair is a brilliant conversationalist, and i honestly learn so much from his talks. Its also rare that a host is so well informed and forms such nuanced arguments about complex issues on a wide range of topics. Ps. Zarar khurho ko bhi wapis lao, bara time hogaya hai😂
It is not farmer protest in India but it is middle man protest.
Ajit Agarkar is actually much better bowler than akhater. He has won a match in Australia for india while pakistan has not won a test in Australia since 1995.
Good podcast but his perspective on India felt like a third rate interpretation of already third rate interpretation of India by the Western press. Implying that India somehow is the aggressor or this is what sells in Indian politics can't be farther from the truth. If general Pakistani population is that peace loving then what is the whole hind banega Pakistan thing on the TV?
TBH peace between India and PK is never possible as long as Pakistani army runs the show because peace with India will render its existence useless.
@@ThePakistanExperience Bro " "hind banayega Pakistan" is not just not mainstream, it is the fringest of the fringe." -
It would not be socially acceptable to run that ad on Indian TV even now, with all the so called Hindutva fascism etc on in full steam. India will be supplying 45 million vaccine doses to Pakistan this year - the extent to which your media is suppressing this news has been staggering.
@@AKumar-co7oe the vaccines are not free, it has been fact-checked by your alt news as false. But also remember that about 80% of India’s medical surgical equipment supply is from Sialkot Pakistan since it’s cheaper. Short term or long term, there are no free lunches. So don’t drop the mic yet.
@@usamamian309 "the vaccines are not free, it has been fact-checked by your alt news as false." - yeah they are free, COVAX is paying, of which India is a minor donor - and Pakistan isn't.
Keep doing your narrative wars, I'm sick and tired of it. Your country's internal narrative is mentally sick - that's the main problem with it.
@@ThePakistanExperience Well, that's just what world gets to see. It ain't the averages that defines what perception people will have of you rather it's the extremes on the fringes. The fact that something like that could fly on the national TV and got through the censorship makes a point. I'm not implying that India doesn't have these retards but those campaigns would NEVER go live on TV or mainstream media, ever. A society tolerates what it considers normal.
Anyway kudos to you for keeping it raw. And the impressions you do of people had me cracking. Definitely see this channel going big. 👍
@@AKumar-co7oe You already downgraded from your original ‘narrative’ after I gave a quick fact check. I’ll leave it there. As I mentioned before, there are no free lunches. That’s the narrative.
I savoured this conversation for 3/4 days...a little each day like a dessert. The conversation touched many aspects of not only subcontinent but developed world as well. The podcast was honest and I am mighty impressed with Uzairs knowledge of domestic India. His point of views are realistic and give a very fair perspective. I will look forward to him being a guest in future as well.
Uzair's knowledge of domestic India can be described as subpar at best. Either that or he deliberately leaves out information that would provide a different context than what he is doing.
This is one of the best, most informative videos I have seen in a long time.The content, the positions, the nuance are near flawless - I would agree with 96% of what is being said here..
Love from India 🇮🇳
IMF debt taken by the government of India was essentially a "project debt" taken by various public sector enterprises to develop the infrastructure industry in India that produced a good infrastructure in the country. This development was on a business basis working on a low margin.
For example, in 1975 India commenced improvement in power generation with an IMF ( and WB) debt of about 200 Crores ( 25 million) today NTPC is one of the largest and most efficient corporation in the world in the power sector.
Shehzad you should invite Abhijit Iyer Mitra on the podcast.
He is a unique combination of a geo strategic expert, Modi & Trump supporter and also campaigns for gay rights in India with a tinge of bigotry mixed in there for good measure.
That's would be great.
Fun fact:P. V. Narasimha Rao former PM of India use to doing coding in 80s,90s.
Geographically, railways suits our logistic requirement. It is very economical and our neighboring Indian economy gets much boosts by good elaborate railways. Be it freight train or passenger express.
Thank you shahzad. More power to you 💙
I will point one thing here. The reason people were protesting against CAA-NRC in Assam and Northeast is very different than why people were protesting in the rest of the country.
Never seen such podcast, specially can't imagine it's from our country, nice podcast keep it continues,
36:36...i wish you will discuss ENTIRE KASHMIR HISTORY TO TILL DATE WITH EVRY ANGEL. KASHMIR FROM PRE ISLAMIC ERA TO INVASION OF ISLAM THEN UNTIL 1947 HOW THE CULTURE, LANGUAGE CHANGED OVERTIME AND THEN FROM 1947 TO TILL DATE WITH REFERENCE. I HOPE YOU WILL DO THE SAME.
No Pakistani will ever do it
Excellent discussion, but as you said kaafi depressing hei.
Keep these coming. The Pakistan Experience is becoming one of my go-to podcast when I want to spend some time learning about issues relevant to Pakistan.
yaar end may dukhi kar diya, par hamesha sun k bohat khushi hoti hay.. takreeban sab sun liye ab tou, japan say sunta hun roz.. live long and prosper bhaiya janus
Aryabhatta, the famous Indian mathematician discovered 'zero'.
The first modern equivalent of the numeral zero comes from a Hindu astronomer and mathematician Brahmagupta in 628.
It was al-Khowarizmi who first synthesized Indian arithmetic and showed how the zero could function in algebraic equations, and by the ninth century the zero had entered the Arabic numeral system
When Aryabhat was making significant contributions to mathematics which were later propagated by Arab scholars, both the panel members' ancestors were Hindus. To be fair to the Arab scholars, they acknowledged the fact that these concepts came from India.
Watched the whole podcast. You guys could have easily squeezed in another hour!
We could have gone on for a while longer but I think buss hogayi thee
@@uyounus1988
Uzair Bhai mein Biryani Bana Raha Tho aur Aap Dono ka Podcast Sun Raha tha.
Podcast finished first. 😁 😁
let's accept that Pak army never wants peace with India. If there is India-Pak peace to happen then pak army loses its power. You mark my word. as pak army become weaker in Pak. There is more possibility of peace between Pak and India.
Well as a Pakistani I would love to see Pakistan as a true democracy but I don't think that having a weak army won't be extremely hurtful to the country.
India isn't the only challenge that Pakistan faces. We are also threatened by polarizing ideologies of Iran and Saudi Arabia.
@haider ehsan agreed
I don't know why every intellectual who talk about pakistan, don't live in pakistan.
@@ThePakistanExperience I wish communist regime should take over all of south asia it will be better,but apart from India and Nepal no country in South Asia have a communist party.
Good understanding about South Asia of uzair yunus
Lol having listened to so many podcasts and interviews across YT, one thing I've noticed is whenever Pakistanis talk about India, they mostly talk about the wrong things out here and are under the impression that America and Europe are the perfect regimes in all sorts. Guys you can also learn from the positive aspects of a country to grow yourselves but it's pretty rare to see someone talking about something like this. Anyway, this was quite interesting to hear someone's perspective about India who are like 10000 miles away from India.
The game is “narrative narrative”
Well I don't think that's has always been the case. It is more prevalent now for obvious. But I have heard plenty of democracy loving Pakistanis cite india as a model to follow despite many of it's failures. Especially in the first decade of this century.
@@TheLawOfficesofHamzaSalahuddin Haha agreed 100%
@@71espn Not sure though. It might have been prevalent earlier also but back then since there was no social media, we couldn't be more aware through the traditional media. And yeah people from Pakistan who cite the Indian democracy are not getting popular though is what I feel. I really applaud people like Hasan Nissar and Dr. Ishtiaq Ahmed for raising their voices.
@@tish20 Couple of points - (1) To be honest Indian democracy is not exactly considered a model by most of the world. Pakistanis are taught to believe that India is poorer, more violent and generally worse off than them - when Dawn publishes an article on Gurgaon this is the representative picture they use -www.dawn.com/news/1251891/ - they don't show the skyscrapers and metro trains. However, despite the myriad issues with Indian democracy - I suspect Pakistan will need to go through a phase similar to what India is right now before becoming like Korea or Taiwan or Japan.
(2) I think this narrative game was always going on - but we were only fed one story and took that to be the truth. Now that we are online we can easily see how disgustingly people spin self serving narratives without considering fact or morality. After experiencing the Indian left narrative, the Indian right narrative, the Pakistani narrative, the Al Jazeera narrative and the American left narrative - I am becoming deeply suspicious of any kind of reporting on my country.
All these Rationalists in Pakistan take it as an Article of faith that J&K belongs to Pakistan as it is a Muslim majority State.😅
Bro please do a podcast with aashir Azeem. That guy has great and insightful views on such topics.
41:10 Thank You for conceding that.
Abey entire indian kashmir mai 4g internet hai at present
A capitalist and a Marxist walks into a podcast and they had a profound conversation. The beauty of TPE.
@@ThePakistanExperience I know comrade. Just don't say it out loud. Once they'll took over. They'll send us to gulag.
Shehzad ka kaam aag lagana hai
@@uyounus1988 Hey Uzair sir 🙌
Big fan of yours!
I admire the knowledge and understanding of Shehzad. I am impressed with his expression and the way he listens in many interviews.
I have a question for all the Muslims particularly from Pakistan.
You do not question yourself or do an introspection.
Barbarians came to India occupied the land, converted large local population to a very selfish and shallow religion. Don’t you think you people should lead a movement to correct the injustices committed by apologising to Hindus in a manner very similar to what Willy Brandt did in Germany.
I think that one move would make both countries win. A win win for both.
What a enlightened conversation without any top of the lung shouting game coming from Pakistani diaspora (no offense). Living in US for last 30 years with urge to listen and attend seminars mostly around science and related topics. Being Kashmiri Pandit I do understand Pakistani psyche (particularly Punjabi) more than any one in India , I was introduced to Pakistani society talk shows by friend couple of years back, and what disappointment with level and quality of content and delivery, at times, in fact most of times hilarious and far from the fact, I feel so refreshing to listen to both of you.
Have you ever watched indian news media.. the kind of "quality content" they offer.?
@@bladycivilian bro TV and youtube are different fields. Indian youtubers dekho Dhruv rathee beerbiceps mensutra fittuber etc
United States of peace which looks at south east Asia region has lot of pakistani. I veleive moeed Yusuf was also part of for a long time. A platform of pak army I must say that.
Well you can't deny other things he said..we need a strong opposition right now
@@abhaypatel4292 absolutely bro....
A very insightful discussion , got to learn a lot . I really like this mix of domestic politics , economy and International Relations .
Shehzad ur hair style is just wow 😘😘😘
@@ThePakistanExperience ruclips.net/video/JFIPblvSors/видео.html
Immigration from Maharashtra?lol. Maharashtra is an industrial state where people come.
Hindutva se dikat magar Islamic country se kuch problem nahi
A video for the whole subcontinent. Thank you for the video.
Uzair was on point about the dynamics between India and Pakistan, It is often dubbed as the D-D-D dogma, Disruption-Discussion-Disruption. It is in the interests of a specific class/organisation of pakistan, that India is continued to be perceived as a mortal threat to pakistan, which justifies their existence, and the amount of privileges they enjoy. Maybe with the escalation of the Afghan issues now, the army would realise they have another issue to justify their overprivileged existence and want to toe a more submissive line on India.
I want make a few points listening this podcast 🇮🇳. Captilist society is only better when you are middle developed country or democratic country with individual liberty. US captilist perisonment sucks, and I differ from the guest on Indian middle class. Yes its is not that big as china but its is still around 40-50 crore and yes lower middle class still a big task for our country.
Didn't know Pakistan has such progressive people who are thinking for future. Pakistan can't develop without India or India cannot develop faster without Pakistan.
But I must appreciate that guest has so much knowledge.
Interesting podcast, point well made on the negative aftereffects of keeping the exchange low . Well while some maybe one-sided in their criticism of State bank autonomy. But here also a one sided view. Like in the last years State bank fixed interest at very high rates which was VERY! detrimental to the economy. So autonomy from whom?? and driving forward who's? monetary policy ?
I think you will enjoy Thomas Pickety.
just finished the podcast... wow really fun 3 hour. couldn't agree with Uzair more. like uzair said, look at vietnam fight with china for 1000 years and war with fought with america in 70's. china still claims vietnam.still america and china are vietnams biggest traders. we south asians cant get over the kashmir conflict, when we all know the solution to kashmir. we have similar culture, language. but we are unnecessarily emotional. very emotional. this century is asian. not american nor european but asian. i as an indian would support china rather than america. for last 1800 years of 2000 years, india and china contributed to 50 percent world GDP and had no conflict. india need to solve problems with china too. china is just a little concerned to see india moving towards america which i personally think wont lead to anything. pakistan should accept india as it is. india has accepted pakistan already. thats what the 23rd march PM Modi letter was indicating. Also Democracy and Capitalism, all day every day.
Great conversation guys. The ending was pretty serious, please take care.
IDK why i don't find the Gora Debate video here. But I wanna comment on that. First of all it was incredible watching Richard speaking fluent Urdu. Shehzad I wanna ask something....somewhere in the conversation, Richard started saying that You know (as in You) that wht LUMS is doing and then the whole US aid thingy....it got fishy and i wanna know wht exactly LUMS doing....that making him or anyone else to feel suspicious ....
I think you get it wrong Uzair. It is not that there is no constituency in India for Peace with Pakistan. In reality the average guy on the street in India has stopped caring about Pakistan. It has moved out of India's horizon. I have met hundreds of RSS workers it is a huge stretch to call them Fascists.
We can talk sometime to give u an insight of what and how the regional politics plays in India...u will have a very clear prospective
Muslims like these are welcomed in India!
Can you post a link to the report that uzair is talking about for the oil crisis and the role of the current government?
He is having all WhatsApp news only not exactly what is going on
As per him RSS is extremist and Pakistan is not
As per him if Yogi becomes pm it will not be safe for muslims
But we don't see any such thing in UP
Yogi is a strong leader who doesn't tolerate any nonsense like muslim appeasement, muslim can leave peacefully but you can't create chaos just for your ideology. Except that muslim will get all benefits as Hindu they can live peacefully.
Ambani gave us Jio which gave us Digital India now ..
Sometimes Capitalism is good
This is NOT Crony Capitalism.
...
Love from India
@@ThePakistanExperience bhai DELHI b aao
Hai Ajit Agarkar ki top pace 150 thi bhai
Nahi maharashtra se koi nahi jata ..... jahan pe opportunity hoti log wahin jaate hain
2:18:29 Shehzad angry at uzair for not focusing
The issue with indian subcontinent is they are not sure whether they all want democracy or dictatorship. All of them like to have power but still going with flawed democracy. So they are using every devide and rule tactic to be in power in a name of democracy.
really love your discussion. One more correction - what is almost always lost with hindsight is - how hard it was for Indian govt to make the reforms in 1990s - the party itself was running ads against its own govt & against GATT (that was WTO agreement) and actually the govt lost power. But thankfully there were actual leaders in politics and enough educated electorate to carry fwd on course. Now why cant this happen in Pak - because it does not have credible leaders - and why does not have those leaders - because the electoral society is skewed - they are forced to view everything they have from a religion lence, which makes it vulnerable to lies and lazy in facing facts - which again comes to the folly in the founding of the country. There are no contradictions in life.
rahat indori ki line yaad aa gayi,
'lagegi aag toh aaenge kaii zad me yaha sirf hamara makan thodi hain'
Can i give you one advice? Please use the full intro music!!! Your intro music is so good! and classy!! And you only used the full version in like first few or so podcasts when the inro was changed.
Please dont cut it , we want the full intro!!!
@@ThePakistanExperience ok fair enough , but please at least play the first 12 seconds if not the whole 41 seconds. You cut it right after 4 seconds and it just feels so....off and unclimactic. So please make it to 12 seconds please!!
Uzair younus is gujrati and Narendra modi is also gujrati😁😁😁
Noice....
Late for my classes but 3hrs well spent
In terms of corruption you seem to be equating India with Pakistan and Bangla desh which is completely false particularly after Modi Ji took over.
I am not saying, India is not corrupt but it has certainly moved towards less corrupt societies.
Also people living in US become blind-folded towards the inadequacies of society there.
Of course you spoke about the gun culture. The racism being practiced in that country is the worst form India would have ever seen towards Lower castes.
The caste system has been almost abolished in India ( may not be true for Pakistan ). Hindu society has seen reforms since over 150 years.
Media criticizes vehemently any small incident in India supported by American press. Americans are socially most primitive even today after Abraham Lincoln and John F Kennedy ( as late as 1962 when he made Universities open).
I haven't seen segregation as bad as US? We Indians ( I am including Pakistan etc in that group) criticise ourselves and are ready to ammend but US?
I like those direct questions like the one at @30:21 😂😂. Uzair handles them well though.
Bhai BJP is not dumb enough to put YOGI as PM of india(he is one of the best administrator ,no doubt,he is believer of Hindu-vta) lakin according to recent datas he has made UP as one of the top investment state in India... yesterday i have voted for BJP in assam(state election) and i m not from Right wing.. Yogi is best fit for CM or central cabinet,not for PM...NITIN GADKARI is best fit for PM ... reaserch about him,he is best performing minister at present, portfolio is heavy industry, transport....there is one more ,KIREN RIJUJU,he is from arunachal Pradesh...
I totally agree with your point bro, love from Delhitee
Stay delusional, buddy
Modi’s legacy is already established as something radically different from Nehru’s. He does not have to chase it.
At best, all that we can hope between India and Pakistan is that between suspicious neighbors who have no other option other than learning to live with each other. Forget the Aman-ki-Asha bakwaas. Given the 1000- year old history of the Indian subcontinent, this is all we can expect.
If day and day put you call India a fascist state, Modi a hitler, compare RSS and BJP to Nazis, Indians have learned to deal with Pakistan with suspicion from a position of strength.
And in addition to terror acts in Kaishmir, Pakistan continues to flex its muscle by attacking the Indian parliament and Mumbai downtown.
You can talk all American style talk shows but nothing is going to change this reality.
After watching enough Pakistan talk shows, it is obvious that there is no asha for any aman in Pakistan towards India. It is as simple.
The ending of the podcast--- do you see Pakistan earned curse enough as to reach here?
Anyway as you have good relation with Saudi advice them to give up ownership of oil resources to Ummah.
just started watching the episode. sunday night sorted.
already about the middle class theory. who says india doesnt have middle class. i am from a very small village in Rajasthan. growing up in early 90's i had never seen a car and handful very old jeeps and very poor people. after the 1991 reforms only i saw people getting rich. my father starting his 1st business from nothing to a crorepati. and from no car to bikes all around and streets full of cars to traffic jams in last 25 years. all thanks to capitalism. i am yet to see the coloniser. also yet to see the colonised. its a very romanticised idea. not true post 1991. my father become tax payer, investor and employ dozens just in last 30 years. we are far from colonisers, so are thousands wealth creators in my town. Last point, a very wise man once said Socialism comes from heart, Capitalism comes from Brain. :)
Very true brother. I also dont agree with Shahzad's middle class analysis of india.
@@ThePakistanExperience the data is from 2012. indias gdp has more than doubled in this period.with the same argument more than half of the americans have less than 400 dollars in savings. not everyone likes Starbucks. even i would not buy it. not because i cant afford it, but because its overpriced and i am smart. indians like saving money. indian household have the highest gold reserves, doesn't prove anything. and the biggest joke is the news source. the Wire. its no different than far right news channels just the opposite side.
@@ThePakistanExperience okay. And im a female Shahzad. So you can call me sis :)
How much annual household income would you classify as the middle class?
Jahan decades se AFSPA laga hua vahan hum colonisers ki tarah act karte hain. Almost saare northeast states ka yahi trend hai ki jiski government centre mein hoti hai state mein issi ki chalti hai. Wahan humare federal structure ki koi aaukat nahi hoti nahi democratically elected government ki. Aur kashmir mein toh yeh alg hi level par hai. Humne ek federal state ke do tukde kar diye, unka statehood chheen liya bina unse koi discussion kiye aur fir mahino tak ek opressive curfew lagaya, communication block kar di. Jo Kashmiris state ke bahar padhte ya rahte unka paas ghar se mahino paise bhi nahi pahunche. Unke parents kis haal mein the unko kuchh pata nahi chala.
Mana humne as a democracy bahut se cheezen achieve ki hain par jinn places mein AFSPA jaise laws decades tak lage hoon unko iss democratic process ka koi hissa nahi mila hai.
Manipur mein 1958 se AFSPA laga hai. Itne saare missing persons, rape aur fake encounters. Just because tumhe azaadi ke fayede mile hain iska matlab ye nahi hai ki humne apni country mein bahut se logon ko voh azaadi nahi enjoy karne di hai.
Hum aisi country hain jahan aaj bhi dalit sewer mein utar kar humari tatti saaf karne ke liye majboor hai, aur unki fatality rate humare soldiers ki fatality rates se jyada hai.
Toh thoda apne bubble se bahar aao aur dekho unki bhi halaat jinko humne apne democratic achievements aur jo thodi bahut prosperity hui hai uska hissa nahi banaya hai. Aur kyunki hum apparently ek democracy hain unke iss haal ki collective responsibility hum logon par hai jinko desh aazad hone ka fayeda hua hai.
55:30 " Pakistan less authoritarian, azadi zyada hai compared to Bangladesh"-- if I say its true means either your state is absent or supreme authority of Pakistan ( of course Pakistan Army ) have given you space because they are unwilling to take control as it is burdensome upon them. On comparison supposed censorship in Bangladesh proves the increasing strength of state over BD people and their society which is essential to be transformed into full fledged capitalism when unlike Pakistan Bangladesh is not a garrison state.
So Uzair's comment turns into a blunder.
Thanks shahzad for putting facts on the table . Appreciate your efforts . Thanks man .
At 1.34 mark he says that Arabs started the numerical system from India and led it's adoption, this is not entirely correct. undivided India was trading with Java Sumatra, China both by sea and by land via high passes in the Himalayas. All these would have been impossible with a proper numeric understanding. Not to mention the pre islamic Mesopotamia, Iran and Iraq.
I listen to guys very carefully, not once you say what is good India done over the years. And how can Pakistan implement the same? Just like lifting people out of poverty. India lifted 200 million people out of poverty, with democracy intact. Secondly, you guys still want to believe that India is a poor country that is against Muslim. Seems like even the well-read and good people of Pakistan are still living in the delusion that India is a poor country and we do have poor people. But is also true that We are the third-largest economy by GDP (PPP).
India also has 1.4 billion people. The GDP per capita of India is around 2000 USD [BDSH 2000 USD, PAK 1300 USD], whereas the Global average is around 18000 USD. So yes, India definitely is a poor country.
India also has the worst/highest income inequality in the subcontinent.
India still scores much worse than Pakistan on hunger index
India is a poor country with very high wealth inequality. Humare koi bhi huan development indices dekh lo.
@@zainabkhaann on other hand we do have industrialists 22 family’s loyal to country. And we have hit every landlord with stick on his head. Taken and redistributed his land over past 70 years.
Uzair comes across as intelligent and sensitive. While I do not not agree with their take on the current political situation on India, I do understand that this is the narrative that has been built for almost a decade now. If you ask a politically agnostic person in India, the feeling is that the present Govt. is actually left of center, both socially and economically. The word "Fascist" is bandied across freely. I do not see this. There isn't a single group in India whose rights or liberty has or is being impinged on as a matter or policy. If there was, I would stand up and protest.
They talk about CAA & NRC and yet they know precious little about it. Not a single Indian has lost citizenship or rights. There were fears of people being forced to prove citizenship, this didn't happen. After all, not every media house is pro-govt. Can India with it's huge population afford to have a large influx of unskilled workers from neighboring countries? No! We have a burgeoning population of our own . The CAA sought to relax, yes relax the waiting time for persecuted Hindus and Sikhs who seek asylum in India. It wasn't a de-population of our own minority.
There are other points as well. These were so far from the truth, that it was actually rather sad to note, since podcasts like this will serve up narratives, If that is the goal... fair enough.
So as intelligent and sensitive as Uzair is, this is simply not nuanced enough.
Jinnah called Congress as the party of caste Hindus.
India can never be a fascist state.
Our philosophiy and civilization never has been exclusive.
there is really no ground hatred towards Pakistan, its not a narrative situation, it is more of a frustration with all the lack of progress, Uzair is contradicting himself, at one place he is saying Modi controls the narrative, then he says spoilers will move the peace process back to 0.. And btw, Arnab's biggest investor is a BJP MP, so Arnab will say what essentially BJP's narrative is!
Too long , meandering podcast . In today’s world .. no one has patience to hear more than 30 mins . Questions were not properly structured , lacking focus
Pehla episode hai kya tumhara
33:00 hi sir...I don't think diplomatic relations are gonna go very well anytime soon in 2-3 years..the reason is pretty simple that's article 35A and 370 ...if pakistan normalises realtion with India on diplomatic fronts on trade don't this issue be dead...like a peace after defeat...
Also I have seen now India is trying to engage pakistan on talks ..and that's basically because to cool this issue...also what do you think the future ahead is??
Please do more correct study about India.
I will watch whole podcast later but uzair started by saying Pakistan is not a capitalist country. Pakistani is not a socialist country so what should our country be called? Ya hybrid democracy ki tarah hybrid economic system? 😂
Kleptocracy hai sir
@@uyounus1988 hi Uzair. Missing your substack posts. Thanks for those.
Kleptocracy is due to dysfunctional state. Imagine we have a functional state, then we would be having capitalism, right? Because free market, private property and all that.
^^this is not the real Uzair Yunus
Ghum phir ke Kashmir 😂
Such an enlightening podcast! May God protect you beta and brave people like you (Jibran Nasir). We have become a very brutal society.. the murders of minorities and the poor! And the atrocity of a madrasaa where a sofa was burnt! What the hell was that? And bang in the centre of the elitist Isb. Why don’t they remove that? Churning out deranged people!
01:49:00 that is why this bureaucracy this damn stupid, if they start taxing the money that comes from fiverr, then remittances will fall, rupee will be devalued even more
Extensive road network also saves fuel.
Shehzaad the mob incident you narrated exposed just how precarious life is for a reformer.
If you want to discuss about india please bring an Indian on your podcast because the propaganda and agenda doesn't let you see the whole truth. I felt like your guest had some misconception about india
With respect to population of Bangladesh that declined after 1971 one of the reason was Bangladeshi migration to India, and that's the backdrop of India's today's political problems related to NRC or CAA.
Pakistan's problem is, our civil society is dead. No one discusses our social problems. No debate ever take place in Pak. Sorry to say people are intolerant in Pakistan. people don't tolerate opposite opinions instead they form enmity against u. they don't know how to debate or discuss even simple political ideas let alone religious issues.
38:46..MADRSACHHAP KI ANALYSIS? LOL.
That's true dude...😶😶
When you are so early and don't know what to comment
55:32.. PAKISTAN IS FREE COUNTRY WHERE AS BANGLADESH IS AUTHORITARIAN? LOL