AIM-9X would be interesting to see also, not just from the SAM perspective as with this but also the AAM perspective also with the F-15C in game not having them as it should instead it got the 9L & 9M (Wikipedia (so take with a grain of salt) mentions that the 9X Entered service November 2003 with the USAF (lead platform was the F-15C) and the USN (lead platform was the F/A-18C)) Edit: The R-73 is in game, so we just need the AIM-9X, IRIS-T & MICA IR to compete with it (From the Wikipedia page for the AIM-95 Agile "The Soviet Union also began development of an advanced high off-boresight SRM with thrust vectoring and subsequently fielded the R-73/AA-11 Archer on the MiG-29 in 1985. NATO learned about their performance due to the German reunification and efforts began to match or exceed the R-73's performance with the IRIS-T, AIM-9X and MICA IR programs.")
I agree and the one in the video is nice BUT it should also have this one: AN/TWQ-1 Avenger. That is an earlier concept AND it is still in use by the U.S. Army.
I think it would be pretty useless for 10.0+ simply because we get the LAV as is, which would carry the same missiles, except no gatling gun, or hydras. But I think that other varients of the Humvee would be nice, maybe one with a TOW or Javelin launcher, or even the JLTV with M230 30mm cannon and quad Javelin launcher.
They also need to add the Avenger, the M6 Linebacker, and the Stryker SHORAD. There is also a prototype JLTV version of the SHORAD. There is no excuse for the America tree to have such poor top tier SPAA when vehicles exist for them but just simply are not added to the game. I play Russian main and 90% of the games are vs the Americans, you are basically able to fly unopposed against them in the current state.
A .50 cal Humvee with the upgraded armor kit (or the M134/Mk 19 variants) could be a great low tier vehicle. Armored against HMGs, with a small selection of weapons to choose from if it's a single vehicle. The TOW humvee would make a good competitor to the Wiesel. There's a lot of options there, here's hoping Gaijin knows that.
France has so many light vehicles to put in the game, but now that we got a full line of Leos, maybe they will finally put some fun back in the updates
Still waiting for the avenger system. It's just a turret slapped on the HMMWV with two stinger 4x pods. How hard is that to do. But 50 T-72 variants are fine.
Definitely something with a javelin needs to be added to the game. Humvee or 113. Or even a newer vehicle like the max pro or JLTV. I also wanna see another striker variant with the 30mm or spaa version.
I wish Gaijin would just update the AI so that ground units would fire at incoming munitions. Then each team could get a few Gepards or a similar SPAA that spawn and stay somewhat near each team’s spawn. Then those AI could be used in EC mode to make performing CAS far more immersive and rewarding.
If they do add the AIM-9X, its gonna be just insane. Thrust vectoring, (dont quote me on this one) 50G pull, and an IR seeker that tracks based on the shape of the jet rather than heat source to not be susceptible to flares. It would be insane and the rise to unflarable missiles without pre flaring, namely the R-73M, MICA-IR, and IRIS-T As cool as i think it would be to see, it would be awful for gameplay, worse than what ARH missiles have already brought about
With how small the maps are, it would be borderline unplayable. Gaijin first have to make a logical decision and make the top tier maps both for grb and arb much bigger
The type 91 missile on the type 93 uses or should use this aswell. But so far they only gave it the shitty soviet photocontrast equivalent and Only after they modelled it for the strela.
After hearing about the BMD-2 loadout, I'm once again wishing that Ground had a weapon selection system similar to Air. Currently there's no way to directly control a coaxial machinegun, for example. I'd like to fire it independently from the roof-mounted MG, as the coax can often be used for ranging targets, but it's less helpful when you're getting tracer from the AA MG as well. An ability to cycle through weapons would fix this and line it up with the serviceable system that aircraft already enjoy.
@@DevilDolphin734 I'll have to check that out. The ground system I'm used to can swap between all weapons, secondary and AA, like Naval. There are limits to control that would be fixed with a cycling system.
This shouldn't even have been a problem in the first place. It is only due to the pure negligence or outright bias of the developers that they allowed this chasm of unbalance of resources between each nation to have occurred at all. If they made the game right everyone would have a proper anti air already. They just neglect balance of gameplay and focus on dumb bs like trying to make the game have more visual effects like cannon smoke. "Look at the visual effects guys. Ignore the fact that we can't figure out how to fix the spawn killing problem even though we get spammed with 1000s of ideas on how we could do it all the time." -Gaijin developer in Budapest, Hungary (but he is Russian and he just moved from Moscow to stay with the company when they moved their HQ)
@LokiV_WTevery nation essentially needs some way to defend against russias top tier cas, can hit the planes from the range they can shoot their missles off and adats sucks at locking ordinance in the air to shoot it down
@@brannonmeador1792 yeah, I never said that USA does not need better SPAA, I meant that USA does not need better top tier air. speaking of which, after the new SPAAs get added gaijin should give Germany some F&F anti ground weapons, they severely lack in that department. USA has tons of glide bombs, France has the hammers and Russia has the infamous Kh-38s and the 3 ton glide bomb
American top tier SPAA has always been hampered by Gaijin's refusal to bring the ADATS(and other American SPAA) into line with the rest of top tier SPAA. The ADATS before was made into a Tank Destroyer and that killed it's ability to reliably be spawned in. When they, after three+ years, finally made it an SPAA, they soon nerfed its 25mm ammo count and gave it a coax .50 for some reason?(granted you can rearm now so it's not that big of a deal). But it still lacks gen2+ thermals, lacks a radar that can semi-automatically lock targets, which the M247 and fucking XM975 can, and lacks the ability to detect and target incoming munitions to try and intercept them(which every other SACLOS/beam riding system at top tier can). They refuse to give the Stinger it's proper G limits based on "if Soviet weapons aren't that good then American ones can't be either" which is straight bull lol. It's made the LAV-AD far less effective at it's main job and instead shoved it into a pseudo light tank role. Which they have nerfed repeatedly by nerfing the ammo three times, the belt size, and the fire rate while trying to push the AA role by giving it more missiles without making the missiles useful. If the missiles were 10.0 worthy then why is the Type 93 9.3 hm? They've nerfed the fucking M247 like three times for literally no reason. The Tracked Roland is a fucking Roland do I need to say more. Any time America has an SPAA that is even slightly effective they run it into the ground for no reason.
if you look at it from an unbiased perspective adding aim9x isn't going to be OP as people might claim yes it will be the best ir spaa in close range but not long-range as that goes for the already type81c of 10km but aim9x will be deadlier at close range and TVC and 60g vs type81c 35g and for irccm that's not going to change from type81c is already strong and unflared what you guys think ?
block 1 9X could be added right now and it'd be equal to the R-73, but for some reason people aren't ready for that conversation. probably cause america isn't allowed to compete.
I think its more of a case of america already having enough to compete. I think we are doing fine in the meta right now. But i am not saying that we shouldnt be getting the block1 9x, id love that, but it just isnt true to say we cant compete without it.
I'm an America main, but I know block 1 would still be too strong, you are able to get upward sof 60-70 g's out of it with a near un dodgeball seeker, but they could always just not model the seeker correctly and make it like the 9ms seeker
@@marshall-yo5ho see, the "upgraded seeker" everyone loves talking about on the block 1 just further upgrades it's ability to block out the sun, not flares. the block 1 is basically just the 9M with thrust vectoring. it wasn't until the block 2 that they gave it all the features people talk about. the R-73 can already do a 180 off the rail (i've had my own R-73 do it several times), so why can't we have the block 1 9X?
@@jameson1239 except for the part where IRCCM behaves the same on all of these missiles, it's just flare resistance. if you have an IRCCM missile behind you, you're most likely not getting away unless you make it bleed energy. but my bad, i forgot only every other nation can have a 50G+ missile, not america.
@@lightningstrike5024not each other tbf but the pantsir could shred the humvee into pieces with its gun. don't see a problam still. the slamram is against jets :D
WOW, more SPAAS that people dont nedd any skill to use? You click and the game plays for you? Amazing! Oh, and even better: huge amount of spawn protection! Super cool to fight people that cant die!
It would be great to see some humvees in the game. Such an iconic American vehicle
Yes I definitely and I would like to see more ww2 prototype
I’d like the see the m1008 CUCV Army Chevy pickup truck with the bed mounted Hellfire missiles. - quintessential 80’s.
AIM-9X would be interesting to see also, not just from the SAM perspective as with this but also the AAM perspective also with the F-15C in game not having them as it should instead it got the 9L & 9M (Wikipedia (so take with a grain of salt) mentions that the 9X Entered service November 2003 with the USAF (lead platform was the F-15C) and the USN (lead platform was the F/A-18C))
Edit: The R-73 is in game, so we just need the AIM-9X, IRIS-T & MICA IR to compete with it (From the Wikipedia page for the AIM-95 Agile "The Soviet Union also began development of an advanced high off-boresight SRM with thrust vectoring and subsequently fielded the R-73/AA-11 Archer on the MiG-29 in 1985. NATO learned about their performance due to the German reunification and efforts began to match or exceed the R-73's performance with the IRIS-T, AIM-9X and MICA IR programs.")
@@letto18 except all those a better than the r-73 thats in the game, best guess for the f-15c is we'll get a late version with the 9x and 120c/d
I agree and the one in the video is nice BUT it should also have this one: AN/TWQ-1 Avenger.
That is an earlier concept AND it is still in use by the U.S. Army.
humvee with a 25mm bushmaster on the back imagine more gun trucks for top tier ?
no, the bushmaster is such trash.There's so many good and fun fast wheeled vehicles that would be better than that
Why not the javelin?
I prefer the Humvee with TOW launcher
@@christopherchartier3017that’s not anti ait
Hear me out
V- humvee with gun
VI - humvee with TOWs
VII- SLAMRAAM
I have been wanting the Japanese Mega Cruiser with ATGMs, its called the Chu-MPM if you want to look it up
VIII: Humvee with Davy Crockett?
To be honest, considering the Japanese have the Type 93
I'm surprised we don't have a AN/TWQ-1 Avenger Humvee yet.
America would quite easily have an entire line from the jeep to the mutt to the humvee and idk an oshkosh, but gaijin does like america having fun
I think it would be pretty useless for 10.0+ simply because we get the LAV as is, which would carry the same missiles, except no gatling gun, or hydras.
But I think that other varients of the Humvee would be nice, maybe one with a TOW or Javelin launcher, or even the JLTV with M230 30mm cannon and quad Javelin launcher.
I really want all of the humvee variants
reminded me of the guy spammed wiesel series, took him 3 years tho
They also need to add the Avenger, the M6 Linebacker, and the Stryker SHORAD. There is also a prototype JLTV version of the SHORAD. There is no excuse for the America tree to have such poor top tier SPAA when vehicles exist for them but just simply are not added to the game. I play Russian main and 90% of the games are vs the Americans, you are basically able to fly unopposed against them in the current state.
M1008 CUCV. Chevy pickup truck with bed mounted Hellfire missiles
A .50 cal Humvee with the upgraded armor kit (or the M134/Mk 19 variants) could be a great low tier vehicle. Armored against HMGs, with a small selection of weapons to choose from if it's a single vehicle. The TOW humvee would make a good competitor to the Wiesel. There's a lot of options there, here's hoping Gaijin knows that.
@8:10 France swoops in again to terrify us with the latest in a long list of killing machines with dumb hats.
France has so many light vehicles to put in the game, but now that we got a full line of Leos, maybe they will finally put some fun back in the updates
Still waiting for the avenger system. It's just a turret slapped on the HMMWV with two stinger 4x pods. How hard is that to do. But 50 T-72 variants are fine.
Definitely something with a javelin needs to be added to the game. Humvee or 113. Or even a newer vehicle like the max pro or JLTV. I also wanna see another striker variant with the 30mm or spaa version.
Yesssssss I've been begging for this please 🙏
the Humvee with stingers or the HEMTT A3 would be cool too
I want the RBS Bamse so much it’s like the Swedish pantsir on steroids !!
I wish Gaijin would just update the AI so that ground units would fire at incoming munitions. Then each team could get a few Gepards or a similar SPAA that spawn and stay somewhat near each team’s spawn.
Then those AI could be used in EC mode to make performing CAS far more immersive and rewarding.
HMMWVs and more variants of the M113 platform would be nice to see in general.
SLAMRAAM, NASAMs, and SPYDER would be amazing additions...I really hope they appear next update
They all don't have radar, optic and even fire control panel. If they can appear, S-400/HQ-9/PAC-3 launchers should also appear.
@@joelau2383 SPYDER AIO does
If they do add the AIM-9X, its gonna be just insane. Thrust vectoring, (dont quote me on this one) 50G pull, and an IR seeker that tracks based on the shape of the jet rather than heat source to not be susceptible to flares. It would be insane and the rise to unflarable missiles without pre flaring, namely the R-73M, MICA-IR, and IRIS-T
As cool as i think it would be to see, it would be awful for gameplay, worse than what ARH missiles have already brought about
With how small the maps are, it would be borderline unplayable. Gaijin first have to make a logical decision and make the top tier maps both for grb and arb much bigger
@@georgy1858 gaijin doesnt play their own game so they will add it anyway.
as ground to air missile it would be ok. less range and still our of range for the modern air to ground weapons inside the game.
The type 91 missile on the type 93 uses or should use this aswell. But so far they only gave it the shitty soviet photocontrast equivalent and Only after they modelled it for the strela.
After hearing about the BMD-2 loadout, I'm once again wishing that Ground had a weapon selection system similar to Air. Currently there's no way to directly control a coaxial machinegun, for example. I'd like to fire it independently from the roof-mounted MG, as the coax can often be used for ranging targets, but it's less helpful when you're getting tracer from the AA MG as well. An ability to cycle through weapons would fix this and line it up with the serviceable system that aircraft already enjoy.
You can cycle between weapons on ground vehicles in War Thunder.
@@DevilDolphin734 I'll have to check that out. The ground system I'm used to can swap between all weapons, secondary and AA, like Naval. There are limits to control that would be fixed with a cycling system.
would the NM195 Luftvernpanservogn be an good aa for sweden
This shouldn't even have been a problem in the first place. It is only due to the pure negligence or outright bias of the developers that they allowed this chasm of unbalance of resources between each nation to have occurred at all. If they made the game right everyone would have a proper anti air already. They just neglect balance of gameplay and focus on dumb bs like trying to make the game have more visual effects like cannon smoke. "Look at the visual effects guys. Ignore the fact that we can't figure out how to fix the spawn killing problem even though we get spammed with 1000s of ideas on how we could do it all the time." -Gaijin developer in Budapest, Hungary (but he is Russian and he just moved from Moscow to stay with the company when they moved their HQ)
And it’s definitely time for these semi op humvees .. Usa needs better top tier air
air or anti-air? because USA does need better SPAA, but their air tree is the best in the game so they don't really need any new top tier stuff
@LokiV_WTevery nation essentially needs some way to defend against russias top tier cas, can hit the planes from the range they can shoot their missles off and adats sucks at locking ordinance in the air to shoot it down
@@brannonmeador1792 yeah, I never said that USA does not need better SPAA, I meant that USA does not need better top tier air.
speaking of which, after the new SPAAs get added gaijin should give Germany some F&F anti ground weapons, they severely lack in that department.
USA has tons of glide bombs, France has the hammers and Russia has the infamous Kh-38s and the 3 ton glide bomb
American top tier SPAA has always been hampered by Gaijin's refusal to bring the ADATS(and other American SPAA) into line with the rest of top tier SPAA. The ADATS before was made into a Tank Destroyer and that killed it's ability to reliably be spawned in. When they, after three+ years, finally made it an SPAA, they soon nerfed its 25mm ammo count and gave it a coax .50 for some reason?(granted you can rearm now so it's not that big of a deal). But it still lacks gen2+ thermals, lacks a radar that can semi-automatically lock targets, which the M247 and fucking XM975 can, and lacks the ability to detect and target incoming munitions to try and intercept them(which every other SACLOS/beam riding system at top tier can).
They refuse to give the Stinger it's proper G limits based on "if Soviet weapons aren't that good then American ones can't be either" which is straight bull lol. It's made the LAV-AD far less effective at it's main job and instead shoved it into a pseudo light tank role. Which they have nerfed repeatedly by nerfing the ammo three times, the belt size, and the fire rate while trying to push the AA role by giving it more missiles without making the missiles useful. If the missiles were 10.0 worthy then why is the Type 93 9.3 hm?
They've nerfed the fucking M247 like three times for literally no reason.
The Tracked Roland is a fucking Roland do I need to say more.
Any time America has an SPAA that is even slightly effective they run it into the ground for no reason.
The SLAM Hmwv needs a separate radar component. I would see a better case for the Avenger and M-Shorad System.
The SLAMRAAM launcher looks like top tier for the isis tech tree in the technical line
why not the Avenger ADS? i dunno
slam rams are going to be amazing. pretty much fire and forget
How about a 9.3-9.7 SPAA for the British tech tree? Now they have your at 10 to 10.3
The BMP-2M is in game as a SQD Vehicle.
yeah,he said BMD, not BMP
5:29 poor l3
(look in kill feed)
when are they going to add the BRDM-2 ?
are you so dense that you need to ask that now
I WANT MY US SPAA
if you look at it from an unbiased perspective adding aim9x isn't going to be OP as people might claim yes it will be the best ir spaa in close range but not long-range as that goes for the already type81c of 10km but aim9x will be deadlier at close range and TVC and 60g vs type81c 35g and for irccm that's not going to change from type81c is already strong and unflared what you guys think ?
THAT ELC IS COOL, looks like a toy so cute
I wish they would add the Bradley Linebacker
I don’t think that would be any more effective than the LAV-AD
Doesnt matter tho @@TylerJC40
block 1 9X could be added right now and it'd be equal to the R-73, but for some reason people aren't ready for that conversation. probably cause america isn't allowed to compete.
I think its more of a case of america already having enough to compete. I think we are doing fine in the meta right now. But i am not saying that we shouldnt be getting the block1 9x, id love that, but it just isnt true to say we cant compete without it.
I'm an America main, but I know block 1 would still be too strong, you are able to get upward sof 60-70 g's out of it with a near un dodgeball seeker, but they could always just not model the seeker correctly and make it like the 9ms seeker
No it wouldn’t it would still have far better flare resistance then R-73 and it’s kinematics would be somewhere between a Python 3 and MICA
@@marshall-yo5ho see, the "upgraded seeker" everyone loves talking about on the block 1 just further upgrades it's ability to block out the sun, not flares. the block 1 is basically just the 9M with thrust vectoring. it wasn't until the block 2 that they gave it all the features people talk about.
the R-73 can already do a 180 off the rail (i've had my own R-73 do it several times), so why can't we have the block 1 9X?
@@jameson1239 except for the part where IRCCM behaves the same on all of these missiles, it's just flare resistance. if you have an IRCCM missile behind you, you're most likely not getting away unless you make it bleed energy.
but my bad, i forgot only every other nation can have a 50G+ missile, not america.
The fact that USA doesnt have a HUMVEE SPAA is crazy...
I just use the OH-58. Extremely mobile anti-air platfrom.
ISRAEL NEEDS SPAA HELPPPPPP
DONT even have a top tier SPAA ☠️☠️☠️
BMD 2M is probably the nex premium...
Russia has BTR-80 =we want LAV-25.
Gaijin gib IRIS-T SLM(SAM), Boxer Skyranger 30 and the Boxer Skyranger (IRIS-T) SLM
Stryker m-shorad is what I want
And i want the MSHORAD
Willies Jeep with 50 Cal
I want that Humvee dude
Can we please just focus on more T80s and Leopards ffs....
Israel needs the spyder
AIM-9X is crazy
block 1 can be added right now and be equal to the R-73. the block 1 9X isn't remotely as strong as anyone thinks it is.
Well same agility as R-73 with better IRCCM @@mlgrocket
@@mlgrocket If this were true it would have already been added.....
@@fqeagles21 Better agility i.e. manoeuvrability then the current R-73.
Need to get my hearing checked thought it was the BMP now relies hes saying BMD
Don't want to sound ungrateful the humvee sounds amazing but I don't think it'll help top tier at all against a pantsir...
against? they wouldnt fight each other
It depends,a slamraan would be gooz
@@lightningstrike5024not each other tbf but the pantsir could shred the humvee into pieces with its gun. don't see a problam still. the slamram is against jets :D
PATRIOT MISSILES WHEN
the guy realy said how to ruin the toptier (again)
Not sure why if at all russia would need a new aa they have plenty
Lmaooo hunting AA became a lil more fun especially with thin skinned vehicles
ask them if they can take America outta top tier.
US needs new SPAA. The M3P added to the ADATS was not enough 😂. Especially with the KH-38s and the new Euro Fighters. Its laughable.
yes we are gonna get aim 9x before aim 9x
A fix for every nations AA apart from Israel who needs it the most just great gaijin…
Nooooo I do not want more modern or Cold War rats infesting ww2 BRs
please replace the adats... its the worst AA in the game, your better off with the M16 bro
BAMSE OMG
When does America had an AA issues 😂
ADATS Is not that great
@fqeagles21 just recently got a big buff
@@thunder_98-f2y still not comparable to Pantsir,adats it's a 90's sistema, Pantsir 2000+ one
Yo? Slamraams? New top tier AA for US? Slamraam central? Return of the Spamraam?
us aa isues ? what about israel XD
Not the time for aim9x
But it would be on an aa. I agree it’s way too early for air to get it but it could be a test bed for it in a ground vehicle.
why not? We already have the MICA-EM which can pull thrust vectoring 50G stuff.
It is time
@iboopy-fl2ic The Mica you can chaff, notch and multipath. Nothing except hard solid cover would help against a 9X
@@nuklear7074idk a su 22 manage to flare one a while back
WOW, more SPAAS that people dont nedd any skill to use? You click and the game plays for you? Amazing! Oh, and even better: huge amount of spawn protection! Super cool to fight people that cant die!
As if high tier/top tier CAS requires any skill. CAS mains' opinions are irrelevant.
Have you played top tier lately... it got worse...
So only Russia should have a useful SPAA?
Dude is a fckin su34 players and says something about skill.... How ironic
CAS mains crying = a non toxic tier and happy player who actually play ground for the ground vehicles