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@fking deadbrain bhakts I'm doing it from Visva Bharati University. And I can't see any clear light of hope in near future. Seriously bro.. I don't know which way I'm heading towards
@@aishaahmed2760 no, it'll just stop you asking that question. You have to find the answer yourself through meditation and the realization of lack of true identity of you
This is like the wave-particle duality of light... Even the mind has layers that gets confusing... The fact that you can examine your thoughts is just as perplexing... And that you have thoughts that come from a subconscious that you can't easily interact/examine is even more perplexing... TED-Ed tells us enough to let us realize there's so much more we don't know.
I questioned things like that when I was a kid until now I asked myself like how do I know I'm me? Or what makes me, me? If I wasn't born in this body but in a different body will I be the same or think the same? It's very hard for me to write my questions, it's easier to question them in my brain
200 subs with no videos? I TOTALLY GET WHAT YOU’RE SAYING. have you ever though about out of the 6 billion people in the world... you ended up being you? Blows my mind lol
I can relate. I also sometimes got weirded by the sensation of "wait, why am't I all these people? Why do I only control and feel this very specific body all the time?"
When I felt more like a body with a mind I used to spend more time indulging on desirable things to please my senses. Now that I feel more like a mind in control of a body I do more things to progress in life. I think perception of this can play a big part in how people choose to live because of what they view, consciously and subconsciously, as being a priority and worth spending time on.
I think about this all the time, oh my goodness. Am I a brain with a conscience or a conscience with a brain? Am I a soul with a physical body or a physical body with a soul? Am I a hotel? Trivago.
At first, right after watching this video, I was quite terrified because I didn’t get a thing. However, after digging into the topic for a while, I’ve worked out something important. Something I’d like to share with the viewers, as it really comes in handy for understanding the concept. In my view, the idea is that a person is neither a body with a mind nor a mind with a body. A person is a system, where both a mind and a body perform different, but equally significant, functions. Here is why. Imagine a human as a computer. Speaking computer science (hope you are familiar with a computer structure), our brain is a processor and the body is information input / output means. In other words, your mind is undoubtedly in charge of processing information, which is what we do every day and what we live for (in a way). To be precise, by information I mean our sensations, of course, that we gain from our sense organs. That is the point where our physical bodies play their crucial role. We gain knowledge about everything around us (including ourselves, actually) by listening, watching, touching, sniffing and tasting. Therefore, if not for the sense organs, there would be no information for the brain to work on and no outcoming conclusions made and no knowledge gained and no picture of the world created, no perception and no ourselves, as we know it, after all. Concluding, a mind does control a body, but it (a mind) wouldn’t be so almighty, if not for a body.
As a CS student, Your mind isn't the equivalent of the processor. That's the brain... Your mind is the equivalent of an AI Operating System, mostly centralized in the brain but with bits of decentralized nodes and .... Lemme stop. The computer is to the human system what a my drawings are compared to Picasso's 😅
Kaiser Basileus I like that. In other words, to have consciousness(the mind), a physical body which includes the brain ( the mode of sensory input and processing) is required. But a body without a mind could never be aware of itself i.e. the state of being dead. Edit: so from this perspective, the original question, “are you a mind with a body, or a body with a mind?” Would be answered as you are a body with a mind. Your body was the right combination of atoms, molecules, cells, tissues, organs, and organ systems that came together to function uniquely and result in the mind that is you. Once this body stops functioning, the concept of a mind that is you ceases to exist. Edit 2: this means that you cannot truly separate a persons body and mind. The identity of a person is composed of both their mind and body. A persons body is what we can physically observe and identify as “them”. And their mind is what they can use to observe and become aware of themselves and the outside world. This topic has got me thinking lol
Awesome analogy.... Let's go a little further and use an Alzheimer's patient mind and body. They STILL have a body but their mind is no longer able to connect with it due to faulty signal's so perhaps one day we or someone can figure out a way to reconnect the signals and reconstruct the cords to the body in which the mind has been assigned to starting from birth.
Interesting point of view. I like your analogy. Really made me think! Going off your idea I feel like there could be an argument made on the other side too! Because in theory computers can be programmed to see, hear, taste and touch. But even without that physical experience, we have other senses/traits of self. Like emotion, intuition, personality etc. and I think it is unlikely that our human senses are the only ways existence can be experienced. There are definitely senses that exist in my mind that I can’t put into word or explain, like how in particular moments I have a “feeling” (though not a feeling that can be explained with my words) that attaches itself to the moment I’m in. I think it’s so interesting to think about. I hope that some discoveries will be made while my body and mind are in existence together 😂 I’d love to understand or have more to consider while I’m alive lol.
But when one is meditating, our body kind of feels like it's not there. It's just our self, our mind travelling, and falling in place. At least, when I meditate deeply I stop feeling my body. And, my mind just calms.
if we close our eyes in a silent room long enough, the feeling of having a body can definitely go away once you get out of the habit of imagining and projecting it in your own mind. This is called meditation. It brings your perceptions closer to your actual experience of reality, decluttering your discursive thoughts and imagination.
So are you suggesting that a person blind from birth would face difficulties in doing voluntary muscular activities such as moving their hand or opening their mouth or smiling??
Who is the one that hears words in your mind with no sound vibration and who sees images and videos in your head when your eyes are closed and everything is dark? Experiences without senses. What are thoughts?
@@isidoramichaelis7090 Energy is insufficient evidence for abstract thoughts. Abstract thoughts like shapes and numbers cannot be viewed by science. It's kinda impossible.
"If we close our eyes in a silent room, the feeling of having a body isn't something we can just imagine away." It seems like this is quite untrue. You can meditate and let go of the feeling of having a body. You can also daydream/dream the feeling away. Does anybody else have thoughts on this?
there are sensory deprivation tanks. in them it's complete dark, no sound and your floating on water. the moer time one spends there, the more they hallucinate and imagine things. question is, do they do it bc they can? bc the brain needs to "work"? something completely different?
Imagination, Meditation Psychedelic, Sensory deprivation tanks... You can't imagine your body away i.e. you can't separate your mind from your body through these activities (even if you *FEEL* out of body). If something were to terminate your body's biological activities, your mind goes with it...
The wonderful thing about getting older is that this kind of inquiry makes you feel lighter and more free or at least in my case it does. I'm enjoying my 38 years old self. Thank you TED
the vedanta describes the mind as an abstract concept, different from brain which is the physical organ of our body as of 4 levels. 1. buddhi(intellect) 2. manas(memory) 3. ahamkara(identity or the sense of one-ness) 4. chitta(conciousness)
And would you say that mind and brain are one and the same? I would beg to differ. How do you account for the existence of qualia from your stance (which thus far appears to be in line with the identity theory)? It seems unfeasible to me, and since qualia is essentially undeniable, I can't see how your explanation works. Also, consider these two scenarios, they may change your perception on theory of mind. First of all, imagine (hypothetically) that God created the world. He begins by creating the laws of physics and all of the objects that exist in the world, including the human body. The human body functions according the laws God has set in place. Now ask yourself, would god have to do anything more to create consciousness? If you would reply yes, then you would agree that mind and body (including brain) are not identical, and if you reply no, you would agree that they are identical (i.e. that there is no difference between them, they are one and the same thing in the way that the morning star and Venus are the same thing). Secondly, can you concieve of a person that has the same biological make up as everyone else, and interacts with the world in the way every one else does, and yet lacks consciousness? Or to go even further, can you concieve of yourself being the only person who is actually conscious? If you think yes to either of these, you will agree that mind and body are separate.
Di Gallo I'm not gonna lie I have no idea what you are on about. I didn't mention solipsism or whatever this "higher consciousness" is. Sounds like you didn't really understand what I was saying. I was objecting to the idea that me and my brain are identical, in the sense that I (the mental) am indistinguishable from the brain. I presented these three objections to this point of view: 1) The explanatory gap. 2) conceivability of separate mental and brain states. 3) "Philosophical zombie" argument. I was simply arguing that I am not indistinguishable from my brain states. I do not know why solipsism or dualism or higher consciousness comes into this. Care to clear things up a bit?
Mind is the exact same as the brain, for which your views are founded upon the assumption that when you think of mind, you think of consciousness. If we define the central idea of Shannons entropy and Boltzmann's thought experiment of entropy toward the brain, we can define levels of consciousness mapped in 4 ranges of frequency, of certain brain states, and also considering the fact that mathematicians found the brain exists in up to 10 dimensions, using algebraic topology (for which I am proficient in), we can identify that merely the notion of neural oscillation determines fluctuations in entropy, which is correlated to the frequency. If we define entropy as energy added to a system that is not used by mechanical work, then by this very point the higher the level of consciousness the less mechanical work is being done, due to higher levels of brain function therefore by mathematics I have proved you wrong by induction.
When i was younger, I used to think I was the only person who discovered awareness of being able to perceive other things asidefrom whats offered. I once rode a public vehicle and looked at tge window then wondered if other people thought about me and everyone else the way I do. Bottomline is: the human mind is amazing.
The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence -Nikola Tesla
Well no one will probably even attempt becoz many people nowadays have been intellectually lackey and have been convinced by materialism and naturalism. They seem to forget that the universe holds not only what can be seen but also fragments of immaterial reality.
@@marcgoce4020 I agree with you. Maybe if we all start looking beyond the material world, we could open doors to a vast expanse of undiscovered knowledge and change the world as we know it. And if the ultimate truth is discovered, whether it is "for" or "against" our current known theories, once the Absolution is confirmed, the universe will not be the same just within seconds of the TRUTH being discovered.
PoSeiDoN VeNuH This undiscovered Knowledge has been known knowledge among the occult circles for millennia now. Call it metaphysics, magic, whatever but there have been ancient texts that were adopted by the mystery schools describing the very fundamental processes and nature of the Universe. Much of what is written is only just now being discovered by modern science in the past decade. Science and materialists are gonna have to start branching out to other ideas of thought before they realize there’s a whole lot more to reality than what they think.
What a great way to distill this idea. ...And all that affects our mind and body and how we can actually decide this and find a way to make that work. I have a chronic and terminal illness. I know, barring extraordinary accident, what will kill me. So things like needing a knee replacement, which might ordinarily be considered important, aren't to me. My body carries *me* around, it isn't me. In the same way that I wouldn't replace a tire on a car when the engine won't start, I'm not worried about the leg. But even doctors can't seem to understand when I try to explain. This simple topic will help I'm sure. Thank you.
Brain: CRISIS ALERT CRISIS ALERT! EXISTENTIAL CRISIS MISSILE HAS BREACHED MIND! TO PREVENT SEVERE IMPACT, WE HAVE CEASED BRAIN ACTIVITY Body: *collapsed, in an epileptic manner*
THATS SOME DEEP STUFF. I would really like to know more.. Im only twelve but these types of conversations excite me. Kind if like religion or recreation. I am always told i acted older than my age anf that sounds like reincarnation because my soul or mind knows mre from past life and experiences, but i was also told that there is god and that when i die, I'll go to heaven. I hope that i could find a way to know. But, only time will tell. Well, time to wait 90 years to see if there is any thing waiting for me or just a new life. BYE!
Unicorn MoMo If you would like to know, follow Jesus' admonition; "Seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you." Or that of James; "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." May you find the truth, and be set free. God bless you
If you are interested in more you should read Mcmahan view on brain death or look up his examples. It may be a hard read if youre 12 but it is a great new-ish work on this topic
One of the most perplexing yet fascinating problems in science. I’ve personally always believed that we are the brain, and our body is just the machine our brain uses to interact with the world.
When i was super high on lsd (took 2 entire tabs) i started to feel only as a mind, like my body was a completly separated tool that helped me to reach for things, give me plasure, survive in the world, so thats what i think about my body, i think its a tool
Noticed:The video is so deep/fascinating that people will leave comment section after while.. That's why some interesting/long comments later got no likes.. Edit: Scroll down..you won't see any video which has such long comments from many peoples
I would say that I am a soul with a mind that lives together in a body to experience all that's around me. (My mind also has ego about the existence of my body that leads me to believe that I'm this body and not anything else)
I always have the question if we are a soul, a consciousness with a question where we came from, or simply a collection of smaller objects, neurons, that makes this soul
Your mind or spirit (which is same thing) can not live inside your body or be instantiated in space at all, because everything that is in space is extensive, and everything that is extensive is material, not mental, therefore your mind is not in your body, because it would only be a property of material substance. You should read Descartes, beside, mind, spirit, soul, reason or intellect, according to Descartes, it is all the same - res cogitans (spiritual substance) whose primary attribute or essential property is thought and extensiveness.- And if you want to know something serious about this intriguing philosophical problem you should definitely read Descartes and Chalmers, as many other great philosophers of the mind. People tend to make one of the most common categorical errors: if the mind and the brain (or the whole body) interact with each other or connect or come into a causal relationship, this implies a relation of identity - mind and body are the same thing, but correlation and causation are not same as identity.
That last part, something that we haven't yet dreamt up! We aren't capable of imagining every possibility, since we're limited by what we know or our collective knowledge
Except there is no ghost. There's no-thing at all driving you. Not a soul, not a meat encapsulated ego, nothing. There is litterly no you to which you speak of that drives you.
To be honest I don't find this question all that relevant. All the scientific evidence we have points to the fact that consciousness sits in the brain, and when the brain gets damaged or completely shuts off, so does consciousness. When the brain is subject to certain hormones or chemicals, its behaviour can be altered. The relationship between mind and physical brain has been overwhelmingly demonstrated. On the other hand, there is absolutely no evidence for any other theory of where the mind comes from. We can spend all the time we want claiming there is still a debate and all our physical sensations may be illusory, but this is at best a funny thought experiment and at worst a futile exercise. The thing is that we have nothing else than our senses to evaluate what is true or not, what exists or not. If we start rejecting all our sensations on the premise that our senses are flawed (which they are), then we lose our only way to do anything at all in our life. So, while it's an interesting thought experiment, it has no practical application and all the evidence of the world weighs in favor of a materialistic world where everything that happens or exists can be explained with physics.
@@dicidicee Philosophy isnt about practicality though. The very purpose of philosophy is to think for the sake of thinking. There isnt always a goal to get the right answer. Humans will question what is real and what is not either way because doubt is an emotion we all feel no matter how much evidence we have. That is why thought experiments exist. Zenon's paradoxes are entirely impractical and imaginery and defy all logic. Yet they have been argued about for centuries for the sake of arguing because they break reality in a way that is all so intriguing to us all and evoke that desire to doubt and know. Which, is the literal meaning of philosophy. So I think thought experiments like these are needed in this sense.
@@nightshade2826 I'm not sure all of philosophy's purpose is to digress on topics with no practical applications. If you think about the concepts of moral, justice, the meaning of life or its absence, all of this can yield a practical guide to how to behave, organize societies, and go about our lives. Personally I find that doubting everything or making extreme hypotheses with no material proof of it is not productive, so it doesn't interest me very much, but again I recognize this can be a personal opinion.
No Body Because when your arm is numb, you don’t automatically assume that your arm doesn’t exist any more. The rubber hand trick probably works because a primitive part of your mind believes that the fake arm is your real limb, but numbed/injured. We recoil from the knife because we have an instinct to preserve our bodies even while injured and numb.
That's what Hinduism means when it says that rebirth exist and people go on from the crudest to the most sophisticated bodies. Each level up and your mind matters more . I think liberation means being completely free from bodies . ( Mind here is a fusion of what we perceive as mind and what we perceive as soul ) .
we are just functions. not bodies not minds not souls but the function and effects of everything that constitutes us. true conciousness isnt real for us, because we are the manifestations of the related effects of all of our constituents. You are not happy,you are the manifestaion of being happy; youre just the result, the combination of effects of the particles in you.Freewill doesn't exist because you are not just a one single, independant thing. edit: this is also why we feel like our conciousness is more separated from our body but still isn't physical. just a thought btw
You are wrong, you should read Descartes and David Chalmers. Your mind or spirit (which is same thing) can not live inside your body or be instantiated in space at all, because everything that is in space is extensive, and everything that is extensive is material, not mental, therefore your mind is not in your body, because it would only be a property of material substance. You should read Descartes, beside, mind, spirit, soul, reason or intellect, according to Descartes, it is all the same - res cogitans (spiritual substance) whose primary attribute or essential property is thought and extensiveness.-
@@fadfsdfasfsa I prefer the word of God, the Holy Bible. Surely God who made us knows our make-up? I shouldn't have to go to Descartes or whoever for that information.
if the GTA characters were so advance that they could think, they would never understand why they live in such a violent world. some would become scientist and figure out they are constructed of tiny ones and zeros - they would never be able to physically see their creator. They wouldn't understand there are many copies of the same universe and they could never cross to another universe - aka another copy of GTA running on another device.
Then i would log in to my GTA game, teaching those NPC about religion, and become a famous prophet.... Or ended up getting crucified by mobs. All for laugh and giggles.
Let alone the thought-provoking information or how philosophical this is, the whole video is edited and done so beautifully that it is truly inspiring. The music is accurate and perfectly emotional too. Does the track have a name?
In 1897, American psychologist William James suggested the “transmission theory” of mind, in which the brain is merely a mediator in the action of a mother-sea of consciousness which lies above it. This is similar to the mechanism that has been described above and is opposed to the “production theory”, prevalent in current Western psychology and philosophy discourse, which suggests that the brain produces consciousness.
We are the combination of mind and body. If you could upload your mind into a computer, the computer would be the body of the mind, and in the end it would be a different being.
However in both case the "body" (human or computer) create the mind. The brain grows and developed to create our mind while (I assume) the computer would process code to create the mind. I think we are Body first then mind. Altering your brain (via drugs, physical alterations etc) can have massive implications on your mind (Personality, mobility etc). Assuming our minds would be constant (that is to say we have a defined personality), then the body creates the mind..
Question. How do we know that this would make us a separate entity if we are simply transferring bodies? I mean, lots of reincarnation religions appear to believe that the mind (or soul) is *us*. So how would a transference of bodies change the mind/soul? I am simply posing a question, nothing further. No skepticism or invalidation of ideas intended.
Utopik "Just transfer bodies" As our bodies are linked with our perception of reality changing bodies would greatly change our mind as we would percept everything in another way. A computer cannot feel pain operates at a different speed than our brain all that would change our thinking
If u think mathematically u understand that it is the same since the relation "to be with" is a equivalence relation which means that it particularlly fullfills the symetric property: A is with B B is with A
When I was a kid I wondered about this a lot. I felt like if I questioned in my head repeatedly who I am that I was slowly separating from my body and felt like it didn’t belong to me, I’m just inside of it somehow having control over it. It really felt like i could exit my body to some extend because I was just a mind with a body and not the body. Sadly it doesn’t feel like that anymore now in the sense that I can’t feel myself exiting anymore.
@@r.a4623 cuz mind is nothing but thoughts , what you are calling mind in your experience was consciousness which is pure form of life ,source of everything and same in everyone ,but the experience of leaving body etc ,all these happens in brain ,what you are actually is consciousness, that BEING.
I used to have like an existential crisis when I was a kid. I kept thinking about why I'm inside this body, am I real, etc. And then I got scared😂 so I'll try to relax myself and let the thoughts go away.
3:57 You can achieve this through meditation. You know the sensation some of you might've felt when you begin to drift off to sleep, but not exactly asleep yet? The sensation where your body feels very heavy, but then, as if you're lifted off without a body? I actually try to replicate this feeling sometimes in my sleep.
I feel like our consciousness is the energy that powers our brains and our bodies, and when we die that energy loses hold and spreads out to something else. Sometimes the new form it takes is capable of complex thought, sometimes not.
This is beautiful. I hope this could have been discussed in a deeper context. But it is enough to stimulate our desire to know more! Thank you, TED-Ed! :)
I used to think about this sometime but I came to the answer for myself without watching some video and I’m a mind with a body for the very simple reason of I’m feeling
My argument with the hand experiment is that it is not the spontaneous reaction to the knife hitting the fake hand, but the mere possibility of you doing the same to the real hand. You do not want to take the chance. Just like a scenario where your friend acts like he is throwing something at you and the tendency of your mind is to dodge.
yeah aye that makes sense maybe your mind just makes associations and assumes the knife will strike your real hand aswell not the fact of the knife striking the fake hand
Yeah the argument would've made sense if they were ONLY stroking the fake hand. But because they were doing the same thing to our real hand AND the fake hand, it's more of "you've been doing the things you did to the fake hand to my real hand, how do I know you won't use the knife on it as well?"
I remember when I dislocated my elbow when I was 17. I was put under some opiod when they were putting it back and experienced crazy hillucinations, with my own thinking within them, maybe somewhat transient, but still I was my own person in a new world, thinking about everything I had once known as the world possibly not existing anymore, and I was a little scared, and ran into new dreamy abyss and thought about my family and close friends as something of the past, seeing wild imagery and all of that. I was like a vivid lucid dream out of nowhere. Meanwhile while this was happening in my internal consiousness I was apparently completely responsive to what they were doing in the operating room, screaming yelling and twisting from the pain, as if I was on no medication at all. It's like I became 2 individuals at the same time. Reminds me of how we can sometimes talk and move in our sleep and experience lucid dreams. It makes me sad to think about how that happens to opiod addicts who might be experiencing the same thing, trapped in a cycle of escape from their harsh world, and addicted to this escape.
*This is gold.* I love this topic a lot. There are always arguments for having/not having a soul. Pure philosophy. The sad part, I don't think we will really know the answer. At least, not our generation.
I’m pretty sure we’ve known that answer for awhile, and the answer is a “soul” was just our perception of consciousness. Hundreds of expensive studies have been done trying to find any proof of a “soul” and they’ve all concluded that a soul is just something we made up. But we have made tremendous advances in mapping the human brain in binary, and figuring out which areas of the brain control which functions!
Do you ever get that feeling that your body is not actually your body because your mind makes you think your body is a specific type of body? And then you eventually convince yourself that your body is your only body and you only get one body...
I never knew that there were other people asking this.. I was asking people this questions for a long time and suporți g my idea that we are bodies with minds..
What people call soul is just a pattern of electricity between neurons. Change it and you 'die' and a new person arises. Its more visible with people who have experience brain damage the most but it's true for 'normal' people too but for them is more fluid. The soul, or mind, is more mortal than the body, not less. Every time someone said they saw a mind without a body, it always came out that there was another reason behind the sensory input they experienced. But i have seen plenty of bodies without a mind. And usually at that point the family has to decide if to pull the plug. Humans simply cannot imagine (usually) that things can just cease to be. Mainly because they misjudge the identity of said 'things'. We see a face into bread, when there is none, so when i rake a nail through it, it seems to disappear, but it wasnt there to begin with. Just an illusion of our ancestral brain, so used to make assumptions and jump to conclusions.
Event Hʘriךּon Could not have said it better. Honestly I'm pretty sad that I don't get to know people like you in real life. Possibly because asking people whether they think that 'we are a meaningless speck of dust in the universe, enslaved to our genes and experiences' isn't an effective conversation starter. 😉
Sorry if reality hurts your comfort. Just because I believe that there's no purpose of life, it doesn't mean that my life is meaningless. I can create the purpose myself, I can choose what is meaningful and not, and most importantly, I am not enslaved by the so called 'purpose of life', or God and religion. whatever.
Joshua Park He won't commit suicide because natural selection embeded in us to want to live. Some people still manage to overcome this programming though. And btw natural selection is a non-random process,so saying that naturalists think that we are here by chance was a strawman argument.
4:47 That is so cute and wholesome, the man's mind is in the computer, and the cat is looking at the "posessed" computer, he wants to be stroked, so the mind "possesses" the robot body so that it can pet the cat!
As I see too many confused people in the comments, I feel the need to write this comment. Existential crisis is not necessary, use your logic and find yourself better answers but never keep satisfying yourself with the same answers, keep on trying to make your answers make more sense and politely serve your arguements to the other people to give more to them. Humiliating others for not agreeing is not sth a philosopher supposed to be person does, i think.
Scientifically speaking, there is no difference. Philosophically speaking, the body just exists to support the mind and it's the most recognizable "part" of a human. If you switch bodies with someone "you" are still "you" but in another person's body.
I would recomend reading "The Spirit's Book", by Allan Kardec. It's from 1857 and studied events that answer that question. It's the base of Spiritsm and many other studies up to nowadays.
I litterally was questioning myself few weeks ago what is consciousness and what makes personalities different, then i came alone to the conclusion that what makes the thoughts and personnality and mind is just a complex machine learning-like algorithm(i was so sure of it somehow it wasn't a theory anymore for me) and the last range of neurons like the last piece of coding for example is the one responsible for our active thoughts, which makes us 'conscious' when added to the feelings caused by chemicals (and by the subconscious too which is the program that gives you your thoughts, and what makes your personality, because personality is subconscious mostly) and added to hearing listening (which are also just programs reading data that came from light or vibrations), this all makes you conscious, and all this because your mind learned from everything from your birth until now. Then i just discovered that this whole theory has actually already been discovered and proved by scientists-
As a kid, I would sometimes have experiences where I would be thinking about something while waiting in the lunch line at school or doing something else and then all of a sudden I would remember that I had a body and other people to attend to...sometimes I felt like I was watching myself in third person during those "surreal" experiences (like I was watching a movie about myself and already somewhat knew the plot). I've always been religious and by getting into the deeper things of my theology, there is no doubt in my mind that our bodies are vessels to further control matter. Some say it is blasphemy, but I believe that an all-knowing, unselfish and completely confident God wants us to become like He is so he can spread forth his kingdom in the cosmos. It is said that matter can neither be destroyed nor created, but it simply changes form. In scripture native to my religion, it is said that there are only two things that make up the universe: things that act and things that are acted upon. Intelligence has the ability to act so far as it can reach (e.g. communication) but without something for it to act upon, it is severely limited in its reach--much like a voice can reach further and louder with a microphone and speakers. By agreeing to the terms and conditions, God gathered our intelligences and offered them a vessel of feeling right and wrong...a touch of order from chaos...a kind of communication of the heart, or what I call spirit. By choosing to move forward and develop our spirits, God gave us another opportunity to connect our minds with physical matter. This matter is our physical body and the points of connection are our hearts (for our spirits) and our brains (for our intelligences). As humans we literally have direct authority to control a bit of matter in the way that we want to, and God is looking for us to control it in an orderly way for us to continue onward in our progression, so that we can responsibly control more matter like he does sometime in the future (after we die). Feel free to message me if you have any comments, questions or criticisms about my belief, I would love to exercise my intelligence by communicating with yours! :)
I certainly remember having these feelings as a kid, perhaps even more profoundly than examples you give, but they began to happen less and less and eventually never to happen at all Looking back, I don’t know whether this was me not being able to handle/come up with answers for these feelings so I subconsciously tried to Suppress these feelings or not… May I ask what scripture it is that you were speaking of and will you still follow it today whether you feel these feelings you used to as a kid or not? Thanks in advance!
@@BeesWaxMinder Absolutely, and thanks for sharing! To preface, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I follow the Old and New Testaments (so far as they are correctly translated). As a necessary bonus, there is another record of ancient scripture that I follow called The Book of Mormon, which also testifies about Jesus Christ and his dealings with a branch of the House of Israel (the direct descendants and relatives of those spoken about in the Old and New Testaments) in the American hemisphere. In The Book of Mormon, go to the sub-book called 2 Nephi, then to chapter 2, verse 14: "And now, my sons, I speak unto you concerning these things for your profit and learning; for there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are, both things to act and things to be acted upon." I also believe that God is living and directly involved in the affairs of those who seek to follow him. Because of that, I believe in modern and ongoing revelation as well as personal communication with Him. There is another book I follow called The Doctrine and Covenants, which lays out the modern laws, rules, and promises to those who seek to follow God and join his Church. In this book, go to chapter 93, verses 29 - 33. "Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be. All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence....For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fullness of joy." At first glance, these scriptures appear to contradict each other, but really they serve to clarify each other. Just like when we "create" something here on earth, we are really just reorganizing particles physically or chemically. "Man" is made up of intelligence, spirit, and element (matter), all of which exist on different levels of organization. I believe God to be on the highest level of organization in all three of these categories.
@@BeesWaxMinder as to your second question, have you ever just heard or learned something and thought, "wow that makes a lot of sense" or "YES! I knew that was right!?" That to me is the joy of learning truth. I still feel those out-of-body feelings today, but there have certainly been long periods in my life where I have suppressed them (on purpose and on accident) and then have not felt them. They are not as random as when I was a kid, but I usually have them when I ponder about the world, communicate with God, experience a "deja vu" moment, and hear and recognize truth. I commit to following those scriptures regardless of what I can feel any given moment, though I am imperfect at it. But for me, those feelings are more likely to spark when I hear truth or have one of those "light-bulb" moments, regardless of what kind of truth it is (secular or religious). I'm a firm believer that it is completely possible for you to feel those sensations again. Connect with God through prayer or however you can. They might come slowly and you might not recognize them as strongly at first as you did when you were a kid, but constant practice will strengthen them.
@@bheer98 Okay! Thank you so much for taking the time and having the patience to answer Interesting when you say you get those feelings from, perhaps, secular information because it reminded me that I think the last time I got these feelings was when I discovered about the “double slit experiment“ which I still can’t get to the bottom of even today…!🤪
with a lot of attention, an experience can be attained where you are able to identify yourself as something outside the dimensions of your mind and body, the perspective becomes very clear once you experience this phenomenon which would make you what we refer to as an enlightened being- one who can perceive beyond the boundaries of their body and mind. To simplify- your body and mind are not the basis of your being but they are the most dominant forces in your experience. one a side note once you are able to form this differentiation within yourself, you will be capable of experiencing a part of the universe that modern science describes as dark energy.
The fact that I was thinking about the movie I,robot while trying to understand & in the end they mention I,robot. Literally gave me a sense of accomplishment
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Certainly Satguru Jaggi Vasudev has a vivid answer to it.
TED-Ed I think mind with a body.
I dont mind at all.
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The neuron network is situated by the bodily input.
This made me emotional. There is beauty in humanity trying to understand itself.
bro you talk like ur not human 😶
@@busraaaaa03 it be like "Ah this idiotic human race, so cute"
@@MrEddie4679 LMAOOOOOOO
Its just the music
@@busraaaaa03 that makes no sense lmao
I've an exam literally 2 hours from now... And I'm here dealing with existential crisis
Did you pass tho?
@@jessegalarpe7594 I really doubt it 😕 and the result isn't out yet
@@jessegalarpe7594 ok bro new update! My result is out and I've passed, with great difficulty
@fking deadbrain bhakts nope bro.. just completing the graduation in history
@fking deadbrain bhakts I'm doing it from Visva Bharati University. And I can't see any clear light of hope in near future. Seriously bro.. I don't know which way I'm heading towards
I came here with a question and now I'm leaving with three.
Welcome to the world of philosophy 😅
😂😂
Read Quran and l bet you will find the answers for your questions
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@@aishaahmed2760 no, it'll just stop you asking that question. You have to find the answer yourself through meditation and the realization of lack of true identity of you
"You don't have a soul. You are a soul, you have a body."
Are you saying that’s true or false?
@@besik5416 yesn't
Exactly!!! 💯
Yess! People are complicating everything when they don't believe that we are just souls with a mind and a body .simple as that.
This is like the wave-particle duality of light... Even the mind has layers that gets confusing... The fact that you can examine your thoughts is just as perplexing... And that you have thoughts that come from a subconscious that you can't easily interact/examine is even more perplexing...
TED-Ed tells us enough to let us realize there's so much more we don't know.
The music, animation style and the content of this video resulted in me having a massive existential crisis😧
D.A.B Science and More! I feel like this "existential crisis" thing has become a meme or joke more than a real thing...😂
It's a real thing and I feel you. I've felt this way since I was about 9 years old.
How so? Had you previously believed yourself to have a soul, separate from your brain? What freaked you out about this realisation?
Check out the "School of Life" or "exurb1a" or "Kurzxgesagagstgstgasgsast" for a more existential crises coming your way :-)
Sebastian Elytron FLOSS is essential for an happy life without parallel
I questioned things like that when I was a kid until now
I asked myself like how do I know I'm me? Or what makes me, me? If I wasn't born in this body but in a different body will I be the same or think the same?
It's very hard for me to write my questions, it's easier to question them in my brain
200 subs with no videos? I TOTALLY GET WHAT YOU’RE SAYING. have you ever though about out of the 6 billion people in the world... you ended up being you? Blows my mind lol
I can relate.
I also sometimes got weirded by the sensation of "wait, why am't I all these people? Why do I only control and feel this very specific body all the time?"
Ƿynnťari trust me. One day i’ll make a another body for you. Uploading your mind in my server.
I’ve definitely wondered if I could have been born in a different body
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Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
open your eyes
@@nyctoverse5036 Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a poor boy
I need no simpathy
Because of easy come, easy go
When I felt more like a body with a mind I used to spend more time indulging on desirable things to please my senses. Now that I feel more like a mind in control of a body I do more things to progress in life.
I think perception of this can play a big part in how people choose to live because of what they view, consciously and subconsciously, as being a priority and worth spending time on.
You are neither the body, nor the mind - Sadhguru
@@iamsonurohit “You neither the body, nor the mind. Thats right. You are nothing. Give up.” -Sadhguru
(joke)
excellent point. well said
This is my perception of my existence as well☺️
"A circle has no beginning." -Luna Lovegood
But it first had a beginning that later became obscured by the connection made when the circle was completed.
Maybe it has always been a circle
Neither does a square
Mohamad AlKindi but you know where a side starts ends. That’s why a circle is a much better comparison.
thx for stating the obvious.
Me: Brain is the best organ....
Wait why am I saying this,
Brain : oh, sometimes I become selfish
Lol
well theres a difference in being selfish and just fact
brain! why do you sometimes become shell fish?
Body: Am i a joke 2 u.....
Brain is the most important organ our minds r just an avatar for human consiouness we r just conscious beings not body's or minds.
I think about this all the time, oh my goodness.
Am I a brain with a conscience or a conscience with a brain?
Am I a soul with a physical body or a physical body with a soul?
Am I a hotel? Trivago.
socially awkward In the face of all this philosophy, at the end of the day what's up with business lmao
Yikes
writerofsorts your bio is 100% me
😂😂
You are a hotel.
At first, right after watching this video, I was quite terrified because I didn’t get a thing. However, after digging into the topic for a while, I’ve worked out something important. Something I’d like to share with the viewers, as it really comes in handy for understanding the concept.
In my view, the idea is that a person is neither a body with a mind nor a mind with a body. A person is a system, where both a mind and a body perform different, but equally significant, functions. Here is why.
Imagine a human as a computer. Speaking computer science (hope you are familiar with a computer structure), our brain is a processor and the body is information input / output means. In other words, your mind is undoubtedly in charge of processing information, which is what we do every day and what we live for (in a way). To be precise, by information I mean our sensations, of course, that we gain from our sense organs. That is the point where our physical bodies play their crucial role. We gain knowledge about everything around us (including ourselves, actually) by listening, watching, touching, sniffing and tasting. Therefore, if not for the sense organs, there would be no information for the brain to work on and no outcoming conclusions made and no knowledge gained and no picture of the world created, no perception and no ourselves, as we know it, after all.
Concluding, a mind does control a body, but it (a mind) wouldn’t be so almighty, if not for a body.
As a CS student, Your mind isn't the equivalent of the processor. That's the brain... Your mind is the equivalent of an AI Operating System, mostly centralized in the brain but with bits of decentralized nodes and .... Lemme stop.
The computer is to the human system what a my drawings are compared to Picasso's 😅
All minds have body but not all bodies have a mind.
Kaiser Basileus I like that. In other words, to have consciousness(the mind), a physical body which includes the brain ( the mode of sensory input and processing) is required. But a body without a mind could never be aware of itself i.e. the state of being dead.
Edit: so from this perspective, the original question, “are you a mind with a body, or a body with a mind?” Would be answered as you are a body with a mind. Your body was the right combination of atoms, molecules, cells, tissues, organs, and organ systems that came together to function uniquely and result in the mind that is you. Once this body stops functioning, the concept of a mind that is you ceases to exist.
Edit 2: this means that you cannot truly separate a persons body and mind. The identity of a person is composed of both their mind and body. A persons body is what we can physically observe and identify as “them”. And their mind is what they can use to observe and become aware of themselves and the outside world.
This topic has got me thinking lol
Awesome analogy.... Let's go a little further and use an Alzheimer's patient mind and body. They STILL have a body but their mind is no longer able to connect with it due to faulty signal's so perhaps one day we or someone can figure out a way to reconnect the signals and reconstruct the cords to the body in which the mind has been assigned to starting from birth.
Interesting point of view. I like your analogy. Really made me think! Going off your idea I feel like there could be an argument made on the other side too! Because in theory computers can be programmed to see, hear, taste and touch. But even without that physical experience, we have other senses/traits of self. Like emotion, intuition, personality etc. and I think it is unlikely that our human senses are the only ways existence can be experienced. There are definitely senses that exist in my mind that I can’t put into word or explain, like how in particular moments I have a “feeling” (though not a feeling that can be explained with my words) that attaches itself to the moment I’m in.
I think it’s so interesting to think about. I hope that some discoveries will be made while my body and mind are in existence together 😂 I’d love to understand or have more to consider while I’m alive lol.
oh hello existential crisis nice to see you again
Took the words right out of my mouth.
dramatic
lol hello
Hello
samantha mae I see it five times a day. Help me.
But when one is meditating, our body kind of feels like it's not there. It's just our self, our mind travelling, and falling in place. At least, when I meditate deeply I stop feeling my body. And, my mind just calms.
Doesn't it just mean your consciousness trying to be calm-
And that's why we say mind and body are separate.....
Same when I am high
Bruh, it is focus, you just dont care about your 5 senses anymore when meditating, not disconnect from it
Like, when i punch you in the head when you are meditating, you just snapback to reality real quick, simple explanation
*Nods silently*
StockLilves you wanted to write *Nods silently*, but ended but making your comment bold
I stole your profile picture, I hope you don't mind.
Ghosttrail803 _ *Nods Silently*
*So that's how you make it bold. Damn! I can bold all my comments now!*
Bork
👍
if we close our eyes in a silent room long enough, the feeling of having a body can definitely go away once you get out of the habit of imagining and projecting it in your own mind. This is called meditation. It brings your perceptions closer to your actual experience of reality, decluttering your discursive thoughts and imagination.
Yes, exactly!
So are you suggesting that a person blind from birth would face difficulties in doing voluntary muscular activities such as moving their hand or opening their mouth or smiling??
_Processing..._
_Processing..._
*brain.exe has stopped responding*
god opens his task manager and ends the task.
R.I.P
restarts the application...
wow, you are reborn!
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never stop datta lol
This is a comment that I can hear
A ‘virus’ hmmm....?
This video title messed with my mind, I didn't ask for this
Lol
@Linh Nguyen cool man, I like them too..
Who is the one that hears words in your mind with no sound vibration and who sees images and videos in your head when your eyes are closed and everything is dark? Experiences without senses. What are thoughts?
Some kind of memory
Of the energy ;)
@@isidoramichaelis7090 Energy is insufficient evidence for abstract thoughts. Abstract thoughts like shapes and numbers cannot be viewed by science. It's kinda impossible.
Maybe it's stored or transformed state of energy stored in your memory
Thoughts are products of a complex neural networks with neurons firing electrical signals and communicating with each other.
"If we close our eyes in a silent room, the feeling of having a body isn't something we can just imagine away."
It seems like this is quite untrue. You can meditate and let go of the feeling of having a body. You can also daydream/dream the feeling away.
Does anybody else have thoughts on this?
Yes. Exactly.👍
there are sensory deprivation tanks. in them it's complete dark, no sound and your floating on water. the moer time one spends there, the more they hallucinate and imagine things. question is, do they do it bc they can? bc the brain needs to "work"? something completely different?
Imagination, Meditation Psychedelic, Sensory deprivation tanks... You can't imagine your body away i.e. you can't separate your mind from your body through these activities (even if you *FEEL* out of body). If something were to terminate your body's biological activities, your mind goes with it...
@@kolawolegbolahan935 okay but the question was regarding the feeling of having a body
Yes, you can definitely separate the 2 with very strong feelings during meditation. I do it everyday during my meditation! 🙌🏽
Too much. Can't process.
I agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Ocean Error 404, shutting down.
Ocean lol
But it's so simple...
lol
*existential crisis intensifies*
😅😅😅😅
I can tell this is gonna be the start of an existential crisis
The wonderful thing about getting older is that this kind of inquiry makes you feel lighter and more free or at least in my case it does. I'm enjoying my 38 years old self. Thank you TED
39 now!😁
40 now
I am personally both and neither
Joel0937 You seem to get it.
quantum?
Milliana Rakuzen yes
Joel0937 the alpha and the Omega... the beginning and the end... -Liam Neeson
And the cat is dead and alive
Answer: Yes.
long answer: yeeeeeeessssssss
Best answer
JohhNy my answer exactly to a nonsense or a paridoxial question. A nonsense answer.
JohhNy answer to me
No
ITS funny cuz it's funny...
the vedanta describes the mind as an abstract concept, different from brain which is the physical organ of our body as of 4 levels.
1. buddhi(intellect)
2. manas(memory)
3. ahamkara(identity or the sense of one-ness)
4. chitta(conciousness)
Finally! Someone commented this!
Can you share more knowledge, as i am currently very interested in Knowing this thing
Pls help me
@@neelparekh1759 I think u should study Upanishads to know more abt this
@@sritidutta242 I hope you understand that I made this comment 2 months ago, now I stay away from this stuffs
The body is a life support system for the brain. We are the brain.
Xi Jinping Listen to the Asian they are always right.
And would you say that mind and brain are one and the same? I would beg to differ.
How do you account for the existence of qualia from your stance (which thus far appears to be in line with the identity theory)? It seems unfeasible to me, and since qualia is essentially undeniable, I can't see how your explanation works.
Also, consider these two scenarios, they may change your perception on theory of mind. First of all, imagine (hypothetically) that God created the world. He begins by creating the laws of physics and all of the objects that exist in the world, including the human body. The human body functions according the laws God has set in place. Now ask yourself, would god have to do anything more to create consciousness? If you would reply yes, then you would agree that mind and body (including brain) are not identical, and if you reply no, you would agree that they are identical (i.e. that there is no difference between them, they are one and the same thing in the way that the morning star and Venus are the same thing).
Secondly, can you concieve of a person that has the same biological make up as everyone else, and interacts with the world in the way every one else does, and yet lacks consciousness? Or to go even further, can you concieve of yourself being the only person who is actually conscious? If you think yes to either of these, you will agree that mind and body are separate.
Di Gallo I'm not gonna lie I have no idea what you are on about. I didn't mention solipsism or whatever this "higher consciousness" is. Sounds like you didn't really understand what I was saying. I was objecting to the idea that me and my brain are identical, in the sense that I (the mental) am indistinguishable from the brain. I presented these three objections to this point of view:
1) The explanatory gap.
2) conceivability of separate mental and brain states.
3) "Philosophical zombie" argument.
I was simply arguing that I am not indistinguishable from my brain states. I do not know why solipsism or dualism or higher consciousness comes into this. Care to clear things up a bit?
Mind is the exact same as the brain, for which your views are founded upon the assumption that when you think of mind, you think of consciousness. If we define the central idea of Shannons entropy and Boltzmann's thought experiment of entropy toward the brain, we can define levels of consciousness mapped in 4 ranges of frequency, of certain brain states, and also considering the fact that mathematicians found the brain exists in up to 10 dimensions, using algebraic topology (for which I am proficient in), we can identify that merely the notion of neural oscillation determines fluctuations in entropy, which is correlated to the frequency. If we define entropy as energy added to a system that is not used by mechanical work, then by this very point the higher the level of consciousness the less mechanical work is being done, due to higher levels of brain function therefore by mathematics I have proved you wrong by induction.
Lachlan Pfeiffer wow that's a good commentary. Loved it.
The obvious answer is: "yes"
Of course!
@Rajeev Vij that's the joke
@Rajeev Vij I mean yes can be an answer. Why can't it be both?
The obvious answer is and
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I'm a thing looking through eyeballs
Like emotions in movie "Inside Out"?
Whats the thing
I always have the sensation that i look trough my eyes and not with them, so i could relate😅
@@permafrost8894 Ben Flamini
Me too
When i was younger, I used to think I was the only person who discovered awareness of being able to perceive other things asidefrom whats offered. I once rode a public vehicle and looked at tge window then wondered if other people thought about me and everyone else the way I do. Bottomline is: the human mind is amazing.
The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence
-Nikola Tesla
Well no one will probably even attempt becoz many people nowadays have been intellectually lackey and have been convinced by materialism and naturalism. They seem to forget that the universe holds not only what can be seen but also fragments of immaterial reality.
@@marcgoce4020 I agree with you. Maybe if we all start looking beyond the material world, we could open doors to a vast expanse of undiscovered knowledge and change the world as we know it.
And if the ultimate truth is discovered, whether it is "for" or "against" our current known theories, once the Absolution is confirmed, the universe will not be the same just within seconds of the TRUTH being discovered.
Fellinux Just stay objective,evolution,neuro science and meditation is the way.
@@marcgoce4020 "Seem to have forgotten" Most of them never believe.
PoSeiDoN VeNuH This undiscovered Knowledge has been known knowledge among the occult circles for millennia now. Call it metaphysics, magic, whatever but there have been ancient texts that were adopted by the mystery schools describing the very fundamental processes and nature of the Universe. Much of what is written is only just now being discovered by modern science in the past decade.
Science and materialists are gonna have to start branching out to other ideas of thought before they realize there’s a whole lot more to reality than what they think.
What a great way to distill this idea. ...And all that affects our mind and body and how we can actually decide this and find a way to make that work.
I have a chronic and terminal illness. I know, barring extraordinary accident, what will kill me. So things like needing a knee replacement, which might ordinarily be considered important, aren't to me. My body carries *me* around, it isn't me. In the same way that I wouldn't replace a tire on a car when the engine won't start, I'm not worried about the leg.
But even doctors can't seem to understand when I try to explain. This simple topic will help I'm sure. Thank you.
Brain: CRISIS ALERT CRISIS ALERT! EXISTENTIAL CRISIS MISSILE HAS BREACHED MIND!
TO PREVENT SEVERE IMPACT, WE HAVE CEASED BRAIN ACTIVITY
Body: *collapsed, in an epileptic manner*
THATS SOME DEEP STUFF. I would really like to know more.. Im only twelve but these types of conversations excite me. Kind if like religion or recreation. I am always told i acted older than my age anf that sounds like reincarnation because my soul or mind knows mre from past life and experiences, but i was also told that there is god and that when i die, I'll go to heaven. I hope that i could find a way to know. But, only time will tell. Well, time to wait 90 years to see if there is any thing waiting for me or just a new life. BYE!
rubymimosa i think you are reincarnated i am Too we r just sensitive its a gift
Unicorn MoMo
If you would like to know, follow Jesus' admonition;
"Seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you."
Or that of James;
"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."
May you find the truth, and be set free. God bless you
If you are interested in more you should read Mcmahan view on brain death or look up his examples. It may be a hard read if youre 12 but it is a great new-ish work on this topic
Neither. We're all in the Matrix. None of you are real.
Onyx VII7 but are we in the matrix or is the matrix in us ?
Man of culture, I see.
Onyx VII7 who's the chosen one? D.j.Trump?
I am in the Matrix. You all are merely fake
I am the chosen one. I am beginning to believe.
One of the most perplexing yet fascinating problems in science. I’ve personally always believed that we are the brain, and our body is just the machine our brain uses to interact with the world.
When i was super high on lsd (took 2 entire tabs) i started to feel only as a mind, like my body was a completly separated tool that helped me to reach for things, give me plasure, survive in the world, so thats what i think about my body, i think its a tool
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I would say that I am a soul with a mind that lives together in a body to experience all that's around me.
(My mind also has ego about the existence of my body that leads me to believe that I'm this body and not anything else)
I always have the question if we are a soul, a consciousness with a question where we came from, or simply a collection of smaller objects, neurons, that makes this soul
Your mind or spirit (which is same thing) can not live inside your body or be instantiated in space at all, because everything that is in space is extensive, and everything that is extensive is material, not mental, therefore your mind is not in your body, because it would only be a property of material substance. You should read Descartes, beside, mind, spirit, soul, reason or intellect, according to Descartes, it is all the same - res cogitans (spiritual substance) whose primary attribute or essential property is thought and extensiveness.- And if you want to know something serious about this intriguing philosophical problem you should definitely read Descartes and Chalmers, as many other great philosophers of the mind. People tend to make one of the most common categorical errors: if the mind and the brain (or the whole body) interact with each other or connect or come into a causal relationship, this implies a relation of identity - mind and body are the same thing, but correlation and causation are not same as identity.
That last part, something that we haven't yet dreamt up! We aren't capable of imagining every possibility, since we're limited by what we know or our collective knowledge
A ghost.. driving a meat coated skeleton.
Well thats a way to put it...
@@lorenaduarte7423 that a great way to put it
Micheal Afton
Except there is no ghost. There's no-thing at all driving you. Not a soul, not a meat encapsulated ego, nothing. There is litterly no you to which you speak of that drives you.
@@brienmaybe.4415 why did you spell nothing as no-thing?
video: you think it’s yours, and flinched when it’s threatened with a knife..!
video: *knife sound*
me: *gasp*
*same bro, same*
Did you know your brain named itself brain?
hahaha love this
Todos somos Narcisistas
Demostrado
Did u know the brain called itself the best organs
Woahhh
No he named itself "otak"
i've spent half a semester studying this in philosophy and it still fucks me up
And I feel like I'm going to think about it until the end of my time.
Yeah, we've been thinking about it since whenever... And we will think about it till whenever... And still get f-ed up 😂
To be honest I don't find this question all that relevant. All the scientific evidence we have points to the fact that consciousness sits in the brain, and when the brain gets damaged or completely shuts off, so does consciousness. When the brain is subject to certain hormones or chemicals, its behaviour can be altered. The relationship between mind and physical brain has been overwhelmingly demonstrated. On the other hand, there is absolutely no evidence for any other theory of where the mind comes from. We can spend all the time we want claiming there is still a debate and all our physical sensations may be illusory, but this is at best a funny thought experiment and at worst a futile exercise. The thing is that we have nothing else than our senses to evaluate what is true or not, what exists or not. If we start rejecting all our sensations on the premise that our senses are flawed (which they are), then we lose our only way to do anything at all in our life. So, while it's an interesting thought experiment, it has no practical application and all the evidence of the world weighs in favor of a materialistic world where everything that happens or exists can be explained with physics.
@@dicidicee Philosophy isnt about practicality though. The very purpose of philosophy is to think for the sake of thinking. There isnt always a goal to get the right answer.
Humans will question what is real and what is not either way because doubt is an emotion we all feel no matter how much evidence we have. That is why thought experiments exist. Zenon's paradoxes are entirely impractical and imaginery and defy all logic. Yet they have been argued about for centuries for the sake of arguing because they break reality in a way that is all so intriguing to us all and evoke that desire to doubt and know. Which, is the literal meaning of philosophy. So I think thought experiments like these are needed in this sense.
@@nightshade2826 I'm not sure all of philosophy's purpose is to digress on topics with no practical applications. If you think about the concepts of moral, justice, the meaning of life or its absence, all of this can yield a practical guide to how to behave, organize societies, and go about our lives. Personally I find that doubting everything or making extreme hypotheses with no material proof of it is not productive, so it doesn't interest me very much, but again I recognize this can be a personal opinion.
Your body is the hardware and your mind is the software. Together both of these make everything happen.
Aidid Rashed Efat a computer. Without the hardware there is nothing the software can do, but without the software the hardware is useless parts.
Emack B Yes. So try to program your software in a good, efficient and beneficial way to drive hardware nicely.
@The Bounty Hunters You brain is quite immune to diseases by the blood-brain barrier.
@@emackb1457 don't forget to be an organ donor.
@@Desocupad0 lol i already am one….?
I love how I have asked myself these exact questions and now I have the answers to these questions ,I love Ted Ed.
Whether virtual, yours or not, our minds requires a body. The mind will adapt to that body.
That is why the rubber hand trick works.
No Body Because when your arm is numb, you don’t automatically assume that your arm doesn’t exist any more. The rubber hand trick probably works because a primitive part of your mind believes that the fake arm is your real limb, but numbed/injured. We recoil from the knife because we have an instinct to preserve our bodies even while injured and numb.
Consciousness is like a computer than needs a transmitter, which is our brain, to work and process information correctly and precisely.
That's what Hinduism means when it says that rebirth exist and people go on from the crudest to the most sophisticated bodies.
Each level up and your mind matters more .
I think liberation means being completely free from bodies .
( Mind here is a fusion of what we perceive as mind and what we perceive as soul ) .
we are just functions. not bodies not minds not souls but the function and effects of everything that constitutes us. true conciousness isnt real for us, because we are the manifestations of the related effects of all of our constituents. You are not happy,you are the manifestaion of being happy; youre just the result, the combination of effects of the particles in you.Freewill doesn't exist because you are not just a one single, independant thing.
edit: this is also why we feel like our conciousness is more separated from our body but still isn't physical.
just a thought btw
Never think of this matters.
Until..
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Have to rewatch this high...
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You’re a spirit with a mind, living inside a body.
You are wrong, you should read Descartes and David Chalmers. Your mind or spirit (which is same thing) can not live inside your body or be instantiated in space at all, because everything that is in space is extensive, and everything that is extensive is material, not mental, therefore your mind is not in your body, because it would only be a property of material substance. You should read Descartes, beside, mind, spirit, soul, reason or intellect, according to Descartes, it is all the same - res cogitans (spiritual substance) whose primary attribute or essential property is thought and extensiveness.-
@@fadfsdfasfsa I prefer the word of God, the Holy Bible. Surely God who made us knows our make-up? I shouldn't have to go to Descartes or whoever for that information.
Me after reading the title: Got my mind on your body and your body on my mind
Same
You are a spirit in a body
Your soul is your mind will and emotions
if the GTA characters were so advance that they could think, they would never understand why they live in such a violent world. some would become scientist and figure out they are constructed of tiny ones and zeros - they would never be able to physically see their creator. They wouldn't understand there are many copies of the same universe and they could never cross to another universe - aka another copy of GTA running on another device.
Dayummmm that made my head spin in amazement.
Are you sure they couldn't? We could render 3d models of ourselves for them to see.
what do you smoke ;D
Then i would log in to my GTA game, teaching those NPC about religion, and become a famous prophet.... Or ended up getting crucified by mobs.
All for laugh and giggles.
😂😂😂😂
Are You a Body with a Mind or a Mind with a body?
Me: Yes.
Let alone the thought-provoking information or how philosophical this is, the whole video is edited and done so beautifully that it is truly inspiring. The music is accurate and perfectly emotional too. Does the track have a name?
Me too... I'm intrigued by the music a lot and want to listen to the whole track but can't find it
duh, both. While the pessimist and optimist argued about the glass being half empty or half full, the opportunist drank it!
Food for thought.. We eat to live, not vice versa sir.
@@reda29100 They mean the same thing dummy.
if your thanos you say perfectly balanced
In 1897, American psychologist William James suggested the “transmission theory” of mind, in which the brain is merely a mediator in the action of a mother-sea of consciousness which lies above it. This is similar to the mechanism that has been described above and is opposed to the “production theory”, prevalent in current Western psychology and philosophy discourse, which suggests that the brain produces consciousness.
We are the combination of mind and body. If you could upload your mind into a computer, the computer would be the body of the mind, and in the end it would be a different being.
Douglas Phillips If you upload your mind you would exist two times cause there would be no connection to your old mind
However in both case the "body" (human or computer) create the mind. The brain grows and developed to create our mind while (I assume) the computer would process code to create the mind.
I think we are Body first then mind. Altering your brain (via drugs, physical alterations etc) can have massive implications on your mind (Personality, mobility etc). Assuming our minds would be constant (that is to say we have a defined personality), then the body creates the mind..
Question. How do we know that this would make us a separate entity if we are simply transferring bodies? I mean, lots of reincarnation religions appear to believe that the mind (or soul) is *us*. So how would a transference of bodies change the mind/soul? I am simply posing a question, nothing further. No skepticism or invalidation of ideas intended.
Utopik "Just transfer bodies"
As our bodies are linked with our perception of reality changing bodies would greatly change our mind as we would percept everything in another way.
A computer cannot feel pain operates at a different speed than our brain all that would change our thinking
If u think mathematically u understand that it is the same since the relation "to be with" is a equivalence relation which means that it particularlly fullfills the symetric property: A is with B B is with A
When I was a kid I wondered about this a lot. I felt like if I questioned in my head repeatedly who I am that I was slowly separating from my body and felt like it didn’t belong to me, I’m just inside of it somehow having control over it. It really felt like i could exit my body to some extend because I was just a mind with a body and not the body. Sadly it doesn’t feel like that anymore now in the sense that I can’t feel myself exiting anymore.
When you are kid what you feel was not mind completely its the consciousness.
@@siddharth224 can you expand on that please? why not the mind? why it's consciousness as a kid ?
@@r.a4623 cuz mind is nothing but thoughts , what you are calling mind in your experience was consciousness which is pure form of life ,source of everything and same in everyone ,but the experience of leaving body etc ,all these happens in brain ,what you are actually is consciousness, that BEING.
We are nothing and everything all at once.
Kayla Big if true
Grow up and stop saying what everyone says without even understanding what it means.
DRC well said
DRC but what of they are someone who actually understands it? Stop generalizing lmao
attempting to sound smart.
are we living in a simulation or real life?
Ryan Smith who knows?
how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?
because mirrors too, can be stimulated, as well as our interactions with it.
It doesn't matter. If it's a simulation, then it's too perfect that we couldn't break it over countless years of innovation.
Read about quantum physics maybe you will get some answers
I used to have like an existential crisis when I was a kid. I kept thinking about why I'm inside this body, am I real, etc. And then I got scared😂 so I'll try to relax myself and let the thoughts go away.
Our bodies are vessels for our minds to interact with life..
3:57 "...If we close our eyes in a silent room...."
Hello, Darkness, my old friend.
3:57
You can achieve this through meditation. You know the sensation some of you might've felt when you begin to drift off to sleep, but not exactly asleep yet? The sensation where your body feels very heavy, but then, as if you're lifted off without a body?
I actually try to replicate this feeling sometimes in my sleep.
I feel like our consciousness is the energy that powers our brains and our bodies, and when we die that energy loses hold and spreads out to something else. Sometimes the new form it takes is capable of complex thought, sometimes not.
I am a spirit who dwells in this body and utilizes its mind
So far one I agree with
Technically this is like addition/multiplication
Mind+body = body+mind
good analogy
This is beautiful. I hope this could have been discussed in a deeper context. But it is enough to stimulate our desire to know more! Thank you, TED-Ed! :)
I used to think about this sometime but I came to the answer for myself without watching some video and I’m a mind with a body for the very simple reason of I’m feeling
My argument with the hand experiment is that it is not the spontaneous reaction to the knife hitting the fake hand, but the mere possibility of you doing the same to the real hand. You do not want to take the chance. Just like a scenario where your friend acts like he is throwing something at you and the tendency of your mind is to dodge.
yeah aye that makes sense maybe your mind just makes associations and assumes the knife will strike your real hand aswell not the fact of the knife striking the fake hand
Yeah the argument would've made sense if they were ONLY stroking the fake hand. But because they were doing the same thing to our real hand AND the fake hand, it's more of "you've been doing the things you did to the fake hand to my real hand, how do I know you won't use the knife on it as well?"
I dont care bout any of this as long as i feel joy and it feels real i dont wanna know if we are brain or body i like both
I remember when I dislocated my elbow when I was 17. I was put under some opiod when they were putting it back and experienced crazy hillucinations, with my own thinking within them, maybe somewhat transient, but still I was my own person in a new world, thinking about everything I had once known as the world possibly not existing anymore, and I was a little scared, and ran into new dreamy abyss and thought about my family and close friends as something of the past, seeing wild imagery and all of that. I was like a vivid lucid dream out of nowhere. Meanwhile while this was happening in my internal consiousness I was apparently completely responsive to what they were doing in the operating room, screaming yelling and twisting from the pain, as if I was on no medication at all. It's like I became 2 individuals at the same time. Reminds me of how we can sometimes talk and move in our sleep and experience lucid dreams. It makes me sad to think about how that happens to opiod addicts who might be experiencing the same thing, trapped in a cycle of escape from their harsh world, and addicted to this escape.
:(
The start “look at ur hands” just kindled my existential crisis, wow
*This is gold.* I love this topic a lot. There are always arguments for having/not having a soul. Pure philosophy. The sad part, I don't think we will really know the answer. At least, not our generation.
Hope we will, at least before death
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I’m pretty sure we’ve known that answer for awhile, and the answer is a “soul” was just our perception of consciousness. Hundreds of expensive studies have been done trying to find any proof of a “soul” and they’ve all concluded that a soul is just something we made up. But we have made tremendous advances in mapping the human brain in binary, and figuring out which areas of the brain control which functions!
Do you ever get that feeling that your body is not actually your body because your mind makes you think your body is a specific type of body? And then you eventually convince yourself that your body is your only body and you only get one body...
its all in the mind people
BanaMUA Yes, I've had that feeling XD
Because that's the truth.
say wha?
Like a out of body experience?
we all know this is a demi lovato song quote “ got my mind on your body and your body on my mind “
Huhhhclara 24 lmfao
I never knew that there were other people asking this.. I was asking people this questions for a long time and suporți g my idea that we are bodies with minds..
Your “self“ simply does not exist. Its not different from any other thing you can imagine, which does not exist.
What people call soul is just a pattern of electricity between neurons. Change it and you 'die' and a new person arises. Its more visible with people who have experience brain damage the most but it's true for 'normal' people too but for them is more fluid. The soul, or mind, is more mortal than the body, not less. Every time someone said they saw a mind without a body, it always came out that there was another reason behind the sensory input they experienced. But i have seen plenty of bodies without a mind. And usually at that point the family has to decide if to pull the plug. Humans simply cannot imagine (usually) that things can just cease to be. Mainly because they misjudge the identity of said 'things'. We see a face into bread, when there is none, so when i rake a nail through it, it seems to disappear, but it wasnt there to begin with. Just an illusion of our ancestral brain, so used to make assumptions and jump to conclusions.
Event Hʘriךּon ok
Event Hʘriךּon Could not have said it better.
Honestly I'm pretty sad that I don't get to know people like you in real life.
Possibly because asking people whether they think that 'we are a meaningless speck of dust in the universe, enslaved to our genes and experiences' isn't an effective conversation starter. 😉
Thank you
Sorry if reality hurts your comfort. Just because I believe that there's no purpose of life, it doesn't mean that my life is meaningless. I can create the purpose myself, I can choose what is meaningful and not, and most importantly, I am not enslaved by the so called 'purpose of life', or God and religion. whatever.
Joshua Park He won't commit suicide because natural selection embeded in us to want to live.
Some people still manage to overcome this programming though.
And btw natural selection is a non-random process,so saying that naturalists think that we are here by chance was a strawman argument.
"We can't imagine our body just going away"
Except when I disassociate
😔😔Stay strong💙
It takes " it's all in the mind" to another level.
I feel like both the body and mind are tools to us! The consciousness!
you can actually physically feel being your spirit thats moving it’s body lol
Oooh I like this theory!
Whats the mind then? What does it do?
4:47 That is so cute and wholesome, the man's mind is in the computer, and the cat is looking at the "posessed" computer, he wants to be stroked, so the mind "possesses" the robot body so that it can pet the cat!
2:38
Everything in this world: i am not even here baby I am just an hallucination
As I see too many confused people in the comments, I feel the need to write this comment. Existential crisis is not necessary, use your logic and find yourself better answers but never keep satisfying yourself with the same answers, keep on trying to make your answers make more sense and politely serve your arguements to the other people to give more to them. Humiliating others for not agreeing is not sth a philosopher supposed to be person does, i think.
people saying soul and body
mind and body
body and mind
and here i am, a potato with a channel
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every fckng video i watch
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Not all are connected with the soul just like not all are connected with the mind
Scientifically speaking, there is no difference.
Philosophically speaking, the body just exists to support the mind and it's the most recognizable "part" of a human. If you switch bodies with someone "you" are still "you" but in another person's body.
Álvaro Lopes Well said.
Why not?
Scientifically speaking, the mind and body relationship are not understood. philosophically speaking, the mind is all there.
So you're saying we're a mind in a body then, but you can't just cut them off because you still need a "body" so your brain can form your senses.
Surreal Sunrise I think yes.
I would recomend reading "The Spirit's Book", by Allan Kardec. It's from 1857 and studied events that answer that question. It's the base of Spiritsm and many other studies up to nowadays.
I litterally was questioning myself few weeks ago what is consciousness and what makes personalities different, then i came alone to the conclusion that what makes the thoughts and personnality and mind is just a complex machine learning-like algorithm(i was so sure of it somehow it wasn't a theory anymore for me) and the last range of neurons like the last piece of coding for example is the one responsible for our active thoughts, which makes us 'conscious' when added to the feelings caused by chemicals (and by the subconscious too which is the program that gives you your thoughts, and what makes your personality, because personality is subconscious mostly) and added to hearing listening (which are also just programs reading data that came from light or vibrations), this all makes you conscious, and all this because your mind learned from everything from your birth until now.
Then i just discovered that this whole theory has actually already been discovered and proved by scientists-
There's no 'self'. Ego is just an illusion. We're all not separate entities, but one, the non-dual consciousness
Not the question we wanted but the question we deserve
As a kid, I would sometimes have experiences where I would be thinking about something while waiting in the lunch line at school or doing something else and then all of a sudden I would remember that I had a body and other people to attend to...sometimes I felt like I was watching myself in third person during those "surreal" experiences (like I was watching a movie about myself and already somewhat knew the plot).
I've always been religious and by getting into the deeper things of my theology, there is no doubt in my mind that our bodies are vessels to further control matter. Some say it is blasphemy, but I believe that an all-knowing, unselfish and completely confident God wants us to become like He is so he can spread forth his kingdom in the cosmos. It is said that matter can neither be destroyed nor created, but it simply changes form. In scripture native to my religion, it is said that there are only two things that make up the universe: things that act and things that are acted upon. Intelligence has the ability to act so far as it can reach (e.g. communication) but without something for it to act upon, it is severely limited in its reach--much like a voice can reach further and louder with a microphone and speakers. By agreeing to the terms and conditions, God gathered our intelligences and offered them a vessel of feeling right and wrong...a touch of order from chaos...a kind of communication of the heart, or what I call spirit. By choosing to move forward and develop our spirits, God gave us another opportunity to connect our minds with physical matter. This matter is our physical body and the points of connection are our hearts (for our spirits) and our brains (for our intelligences). As humans we literally have direct authority to control a bit of matter in the way that we want to, and God is looking for us to control it in an orderly way for us to continue onward in our progression, so that we can responsibly control more matter like he does sometime in the future (after we die).
Feel free to message me if you have any comments, questions or criticisms about my belief, I would love to exercise my intelligence by communicating with yours! :)
I certainly remember having these feelings as a kid, perhaps even more profoundly than examples you give, but they began to happen less and less and eventually never to happen at all
Looking back, I don’t know whether this was me not being able to handle/come up with answers for these feelings so I subconsciously tried to Suppress these feelings or not…
May I ask what scripture it is that you were speaking of and will you still follow it today whether you feel these feelings you used to as a kid or not?
Thanks in advance!
@@BeesWaxMinder Absolutely, and thanks for sharing!
To preface, I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I follow the Old and New Testaments (so far as they are correctly translated). As a necessary bonus, there is another record of ancient scripture that I follow called The Book of Mormon, which also testifies about Jesus Christ and his dealings with a branch of the House of Israel (the direct descendants and relatives of those spoken about in the Old and New Testaments) in the American hemisphere. In The Book of Mormon, go to the sub-book called 2 Nephi, then to chapter 2, verse 14: "And now, my sons, I speak unto you concerning these things for your profit and learning; for there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are, both things to act and things to be acted upon."
I also believe that God is living and directly involved in the affairs of those who seek to follow him. Because of that, I believe in modern and ongoing revelation as well as personal communication with Him. There is another book I follow called The Doctrine and Covenants, which lays out the modern laws, rules, and promises to those who seek to follow God and join his Church. In this book, go to chapter 93, verses 29 - 33. "Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be. All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence....For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fullness of joy."
At first glance, these scriptures appear to contradict each other, but really they serve to clarify each other. Just like when we "create" something here on earth, we are really just reorganizing particles physically or chemically. "Man" is made up of intelligence, spirit, and element (matter), all of which exist on different levels of organization. I believe God to be on the highest level of organization in all three of these categories.
@@BeesWaxMinder as to your second question, have you ever just heard or learned something and thought, "wow that makes a lot of sense" or "YES! I knew that was right!?" That to me is the joy of learning truth.
I still feel those out-of-body feelings today, but there have certainly been long periods in my life where I have suppressed them (on purpose and on accident) and then have not felt them. They are not as random as when I was a kid, but I usually have them when I ponder about the world, communicate with God, experience a "deja vu" moment, and hear and recognize truth. I commit to following those scriptures regardless of what I can feel any given moment, though I am imperfect at it. But for me, those feelings are more likely to spark when I hear truth or have one of those "light-bulb" moments, regardless of what kind of truth it is (secular or religious).
I'm a firm believer that it is completely possible for you to feel those sensations again. Connect with God through prayer or however you can. They might come slowly and you might not recognize them as strongly at first as you did when you were a kid, but constant practice will strengthen them.
@@bheer98 Okay!
Thank you so much for taking the time and having the patience to answer
Interesting when you say you get those feelings from, perhaps, secular information because it reminded me that I think the last time I got these feelings was when I discovered about the “double slit experiment“ which I still can’t get to the bottom of even today…!🤪
I don't know why My mind finds it beautiful to listen to this video.. like it knows the answer but can't express it..
Okay this is screwing my brain up. And I’m just a lamp post.
Its questions like this that keep me awake
Zeme Osa too bad we cant answer most of them
nobody 542 ikr
with a lot of attention, an experience can be attained where you are able to identify yourself as something outside the dimensions of your mind and body, the perspective becomes very clear once you experience this phenomenon which would make you what we refer to as an enlightened being- one who can perceive beyond the boundaries of their body and mind. To simplify- your body and mind are not the basis of your being but they are the most dominant forces in your experience.
one a side note once you are able to form this differentiation within yourself, you will be capable of experiencing a part of the universe that modern science describes as dark energy.
Lol, you got me in the first half, ngl
The fact that I was thinking about the movie I,robot while trying to understand & in the end they mention I,robot.
Literally gave me a sense of accomplishment