Well, the most obvious change is after the "Roman's sorrow" as shown in the video, where his autopark and flat become permanently unavailable. Really immersed me into the game's world showing you that you can't go back to the previous, more quieter life (unless you reload a previous save of course).
As for Roman's taxi depot. I remember it was fine at the beginning of tlad storyline. However there was a point in the storyline where the depot got destroyed and there was an news article about it on the in-game internet. I'm pretty sure about that.
The in-game article about the burning depot appears after Mission Nr. 3 "It's war" and before Mission Nr. 4 "Action/Reaction" in TLAD. Dimitri's betrayal and Bulgarins' appearance happen between those missions.
Hey, just a quick heads up, Niko's apartment and Roman's Cab Depot can be visited in TLAD without damage before the mission It's War is completed I think.
@@igotmysaucestraight hosted on the crappiest filesharing platform to exist and impossible to download without premium cause it's so huge.. yeah no I'll pass on that one
GTA IV's (Niko) map should have been updated with the addition of TBoGT after the "Three Leaf Clover" Mission (Liberty Bank Heist). As that is where is DLC starts. Would have been a lot cooler.
@@ellieh.5419 He said "flickering" which is z-fighting which is one of the main issue with IV which none of those mods fixes and yes I already know about those mods and use it.
Well that is still weird because all 3 games happen at the same time, so TECHNICALLY Rockstar should have made the update to GTAIV to have updated map, but since games were separate, they felt not needing to. Now with the Complete Edition they could have done that but they did't care so here we go. Strange insonsistances when playing. But back then it was ok because DLCs were made time later after main game.
@@WhirlingMusic It’s a POV thing. Like for example, the novel Glue by Irvine Welsh. Written from the POV of multiple characters who remember everything differently. It’s not that far fetched. Tarantino did it with Amanda Plummer in Pulp Fiction the way she says two completely different things in the robbery scene
If GTA IV gets ported to newer consoles I hope they update the map to have the changes in the DLCs. Why not? They don't fundamentally change Niko's story. I'd also like for them to update Luis and Johnny's models in the base game.
@@SeriousDragonify removing mp would require them to fundamentally change the code. If they're willing to do that then they can replace models with models that already exist in the game. I have experience coding it wouldn't take that long to do. Goofy.
@@justdanceparadisearchive3888 Dude, why on consoles? They won't touch a 14 year old GTA game, specially when they're busy on GTA 6. Just buy it for PC, at least you can put mods and play with an Xbox 360 controller.
@@DmndT87 since WHEN does Rockstar care about PC? The PC version of every game they've ever made either needs mods to run at all or runs terribly by default. Even GTA V on PC came out AFTER they put the game on Xbox One and PS4 meaning they didn't really care about making the PC release a big deal. Shut yo goofy ass up let me play a version of the game that doesn't require extra work to run. On Xbox 360 I slide the disc in and the game works. No mods needed. I want that for Switch because it's portable and no I'm not buying a Steamdeck.
Be good to see an updated Liberty City return in a DLC with new changes and old Easter eggs like what’s replaced Romans old flat, his cab stand, The Lost Club house, maybe they are replaced by new builds? Or even seeing a closed down internet shop that Niko used on Hove beach.
After playing Red Dead Redemption 2 , i hope Rockstar implement similar ideas in GTA VI map where buildings, construction sites , roads & bridges,statues etc. changes with time throughout the course of the story and react to players action amd environment. Its taking place in Vice City based Miami, so imagine something like houses destroyed by hurricane and then we see NPCs rebuild their houses and also Firefighters/Rescue Teams helping them out.
I looove comparison videos like this!! I'm considering giving GTA4 another go lately and I hope there's a mod that integrates all the extra details/locations added by the expansions into the main game. If there isn't, there should be! Also iirc there's a part around a park you showcased in a previous video that you didn't include in this one? I think it added a little parking area.
Hi Whatever, I just wanted to suggest creating a video that showcases every change in the Star Junction news ticker in GTA IV. I've noticed that this particular news zipper is changing according to plot progression, and its contents aren't stored in the scrollbars.dat file, unlike practically every other ticker in the game. It's the news zipper in the southern Star Junction, above the EyeFind advertisement and the LCPD station, on the building inspired by the One Times Square, which up until 2018 also held almost identical news ticker, above the Yahoo advertisement and NYPD station. Take care!
I was waiting for someone to make a video about this. it was nice to see all the differences of the map from all 3 games and how they changed in comparison to each other and when they changed. If only though they would have made all these changes present in every game so that it would have made it feel much more like we were in the exact same world every game and that all these locations were connected to every story instead of seeing something new every game that isn't there in another entry. It would have made a nice addition to the GTA 4 complete edition especially. Oh well, at least they stayed faithful to the originals I guess.
Tbogt is an example on just how important is art direction because even if the three versions use the same engine and run in the same platforms tbgot has a more colorful atmosphere makes the graphics look better overall
1:10 Notice how in TLAD/IV, there's someone wearing a hoodie similar to Luis and in TBoGT, two guys talking to each other have outfits similar to Johnny and Niko?
I'm from Rotterdam and they build a skyscraper that looks kinds similar to the Rotterdam Tower, It's called the Zalmhaventoren. Still so cool that Rockstar named the biggest tower after my city, makes me proud!
Well they have North Holland top of Algonquin, Rotterdam Park in Broker, Rotterdam Heights Near to said Park, Considering New York is named after an English City York with Areas like Soho an area in London, Greenwich Village I think Greenwich being the birth of Greenwich Mean Time GMT In London to, sure there is an area called Chelsea there to named after an area in West London. Rockstar obviously couldn't do that so nicked some Dutch Names North Holland I against combines Harlem and Noho which I'm sure means North something like Soho. I believe North Holland is based on Harlem though. I'm sure Real Life New York has some Dutch names not sure. But In this case Gta have given it Dutch names I'm sure there is the Rotterdam Tunnel to linking Algonquin to Alderney or maybe that is the real tunnel linking Manhattan to New Jersey.
It make sense that Rockstar named the biggest tower after a Dutch city. Liberty City was even once named New Rotterdam, just like how NYC was once named New Amsterdam. There's even neighborhoods called Rotterdam Hill, North Holland, East Holland and a street named Amsterdam Lane.
Why did Rockstar ever fix the jittering in the background distance ? 0:37 Is this a performance issues ?? Always noticed this even with maxed settings and powerful hardware
There are more differences made to LOST MC clubhouse in EFLC: wall with side entrance looks different and there are other gates, There is a parking lot near Helitrous Mavericks in TBoGT In TBoGT around Algonquin there are stickers which promote ELFC radiostations In Star Junction there is Burger Shot (or Clucking Bell, can't remember) which has ad near entrance, in TBoGT there is ad for Princess Robot Bubblegum instead Door in the top of MeTV building is different in TBoGT
Ngl I always thought that the only thing different about LC in TLAD and TBOGT was the clubs and the Lost clubhouse. Also, it doesn't make sense for Roman's apartment to be burned before Jason died if the apartment was burned after Niko killed Jason.
We absolutely need a remake where the map is like tbogt and clubhouses too within all the gta 4 trilogy. I really hope rockstar is making us wait so long for a good reason otherwise i should just emulate gta 4 on pc rather then wait to pkay it on modern consolles
As much as these changes are cool, its kinda weird how they didnt introduce them to base 4 or TLAD. If TBOGT took place after 4 then it would be fine but as it is now, it's a minor nitpick at best
I justify the continuity in lore by telling myself that each protagonist perceives the world around them slightly differently to each other, and we are simply playing the game through their lens.
Did anyone make patch so access to Bahama club is open constantly ?? Anyone, nice difference at 4:51 and weird in the same time that many location in Orginal were closed like that.
5:00 why is the angels of death clubhouse the same for both GTA IV and TLAD..maybe it's a mistake I think the picture for TBOGT matches TLAD
that's a mistake 😯
during editing I must have accidentally combined GTA IV and TLaD instead of TBoGT and TLaD 🤦🏻♂️
Oh okok, I can sleep now :)@@whatever57010
In GTA 4 there is no clubhouse at all.
Just common apartments.
@@Leantenant there are referances like commercials/tv shows and some logos
From npcs to locations I just love the esthetics of gta 4
I knew about GTA V changing over time, but I never knew about GTA IV tho, I only knew the differences between the dlcs and base game.
Well, the most obvious change is after the "Roman's sorrow" as shown in the video, where his autopark and flat become permanently unavailable. Really immersed me into the game's world showing you that you can't go back to the previous, more quieter life (unless you reload a previous save of course).
The fact you can see the FIB tower getting constructed after the FIB raid mission is completely mind blowing
What was changing exactly? Apart from the bs rockstar is milking out from it?
@@station992 wrong comment section
@@station992ik like what changed in the gta5 map?
The aesthetic and overall vibe GTA IV gives is so good. Love it
As for Roman's taxi depot. I remember it was fine at the beginning of tlad storyline. However there was a point in the storyline where the depot got destroyed and there was an news article about it on the in-game internet. I'm pretty sure about that.
The in-game article about the burning depot appears after Mission Nr. 3 "It's war" and before Mission Nr. 4 "Action/Reaction" in TLAD. Dimitri's betrayal and Bulgarins' appearance happen between those missions.
Hey, just a quick heads up, Niko's apartment and Roman's Cab Depot can be visited in TLAD without damage before the mission It's War is completed I think.
just checked, can confirm
@@camranbant Thxs : )
Makes sense as the timeline would be wrong if it was destroyed from the start
6:33 are you sure? In thus video he says its destroyed the whole time
@@pab3247 Sometimes people make mistakes
A unified map that works without crashes would be a dream!
There's a mod for that, look up 'The Actual Complete Edition'
@@igotmysaucestraight hosted on the crappiest filesharing platform to exist and impossible to download without premium cause it's so huge.. yeah no I'll pass on that one
GTA IV's (Niko) map should have been updated with the addition of TBoGT after the "Three Leaf Clover" Mission (Liberty Bank Heist). As that is where is DLC starts. Would have been a lot cooler.
Just a heads up, the flickering issue at 0:30 has recently been fixed.
Someone manage to fix the z-fighting in the PC port?
How come?
@@Killersnake432fusion fixes, shader fixes collection, console visuals to name other mods that can be used together and all try to fix the pc port
@@ellieh.5419 He said "flickering" which is z-fighting which is one of the main issue with IV which none of those mods fixes and yes I already know about those mods and use it.
@@Killersnake432 Shader Fixes & FusionFix were updated today. Z-fighting is fixed.
It never crossed my mind that these little changes are tied between gta 4 and it's dlc it's very cool
Thank you whatever57010 for making quality content about the best GTA =)
@@alpicano2728 thats your opinion about the game
Well that is still weird because all 3 games happen at the same time, so TECHNICALLY Rockstar should have made the update to GTAIV to have updated map, but since games were separate, they felt not needing to. Now with the Complete Edition they could have done that but they did't care so here we go. Strange insonsistances when playing. But back then it was ok because DLCs were made time later after main game.
TLAD and TBOGT take place somewhere in the middle of GTA IV story and after it
They’re all pretty modest and generally accurate changes although I agree some of the touchups carrying over would have been nice.
I think you could look it from a point of view perspective. Perhaps Niko or Johnny wouldn’t notice half of what Luis notices, if that makes sense?
@@well1012niko came to America to enjoy it. Why wouldn't he look up and around 😂
@@WhirlingMusic It’s a POV thing. Like for example, the novel Glue by Irvine Welsh. Written from the POV of multiple characters who remember everything differently. It’s not that far fetched. Tarantino did it with Amanda Plummer in Pulp Fiction the way she says two completely different things in the robbery scene
If GTA IV gets ported to newer consoles I hope they update the map to have the changes in the DLCs. Why not? They don't fundamentally change Niko's story. I'd also like for them to update Luis and Johnny's models in the base game.
Did you even read your own words?
It's just a port.
There are no changes besides removing mp out of the game.
@@SeriousDragonify removing mp would require them to fundamentally change the code. If they're willing to do that then they can replace models with models that already exist in the game. I have experience coding it wouldn't take that long to do. Goofy.
@@justdanceparadisearchive3888 Dude, why on consoles? They won't touch a 14 year old GTA game, specially when they're busy on GTA 6. Just buy it for PC, at least you can put mods and play with an Xbox 360 controller.
@@DmndT87 Probably since it happen with RDR so there could be a chance that GTA IV and the dlc's come to PS4, PS5 and Switch
@@DmndT87 since WHEN does Rockstar care about PC? The PC version of every game they've ever made either needs mods to run at all or runs terribly by default. Even GTA V on PC came out AFTER they put the game on Xbox One and PS4 meaning they didn't really care about making the PC release a big deal. Shut yo goofy ass up let me play a version of the game that doesn't require extra work to run. On Xbox 360 I slide the disc in and the game works. No mods needed. I want that for Switch because it's portable and no I'm not buying a Steamdeck.
Be good to see an updated Liberty City return in a DLC with new changes and old Easter eggs like what’s replaced Romans old flat, his cab stand, The Lost Club house, maybe they are replaced by new builds? Or even seeing a closed down internet shop that Niko used on Hove beach.
I spent hours trying to find all the differences after I got the lost n damned
Love that ur still making vids all these years :)
TBOGT had great graphics and it had everything
tbogt have great “luxury” vibe like in gta 5, i liked it
Not really, cloudy and rainy days made the game become black & white like in GTA 4 and TLAD.
By default the game had a more saturated setting
@@ReachTeathe saturation is all the same and can all be changed in the display settings
Funny enough TBOGT had the lowest texture resolution out of the 3 stories
After playing Red Dead Redemption 2 , i hope Rockstar implement similar ideas in GTA VI map where buildings, construction sites , roads & bridges,statues etc. changes with time throughout the course of the story and react to players action amd environment.
Its taking place in Vice City based Miami, so imagine something like houses destroyed by hurricane and then we see NPCs rebuild their houses and also Firefighters/Rescue Teams helping them out.
I looove comparison videos like this!! I'm considering giving GTA4 another go lately and I hope there's a mod that integrates all the extra details/locations added by the expansions into the main game. If there isn't, there should be!
Also iirc there's a part around a park you showcased in a previous video that you didn't include in this one? I think it added a little parking area.
I never noticed these details, that’s wild
it's amazing to see how the tbogt dlc changed several things on the map and made them better
Hi Whatever, I just wanted to suggest creating a video that showcases every change in the Star Junction news ticker in GTA IV. I've noticed that this particular news zipper is changing according to plot progression, and its contents aren't stored in the scrollbars.dat file, unlike practically every other ticker in the game. It's the news zipper in the southern Star Junction, above the EyeFind advertisement and the LCPD station, on the building inspired by the One Times Square, which up until 2018 also held almost identical news ticker, above the Yahoo advertisement and NYPD station. Take care!
I didn't know that a grave was added to the cemetery when you kill a character.
I remember always replaying GTA IV and having to understand some interiors, etc, aren’t in-game yet (like TBoGT’s version of Liberty)
You forgot the little parking lot they added by the helicopter tours in TBoGT
true 😲
I was waiting for someone to make a video about this. it was nice to see all the differences of the map from all 3 games and how they changed in comparison to each other and when they changed. If only though they would have made all these changes present in every game so that it would have made it feel much more like we were in the exact same world every game and that all these locations were connected to every story instead of seeing something new every game that isn't there in another entry. It would have made a nice addition to the GTA 4 complete edition especially. Oh well, at least they stayed faithful to the originals I guess.
Helitours has a actual parking lot in TBOGT
This game had the potential to be so much more than what it was
Shame its been about 13 years and the map and buildings in GTA5 are still under construction.
Tbogt is an example on just how important is art direction because even if the three versions use the same engine and run in the same platforms tbgot has a more colorful atmosphere makes the graphics look better overall
i knew i wasn’t crazy. i tried to look up videos but no one else had noticed it
Back when Rockstar actually did single player DLC's
Very good work, thank you!
GTA IV overall is a goat, you can't enjoy one game without playing the other two. But, if I have to pick one I will pick TBOGT
Awesome comparison! Giving GTA IV the love that it deserves
Tbogt has really good graphics when it comes to pc when compared to the other two parts
1:10
Notice how in TLAD/IV, there's someone wearing a hoodie similar to Luis and in TBoGT, two guys talking to each other have outfits similar to Johnny and Niko?
lol I didn't notice it until now 🤣
that is common npc clothing
tl;dr - they added more details to the areas of the city where EFLC missions would take place or where EFLC safehouses exist.
Libery really felt like a real city. I love this damn game.
I'm from Rotterdam and they build a skyscraper that looks kinds similar to the Rotterdam Tower, It's called the Zalmhaventoren. Still so cool that Rockstar named the biggest tower after my city, makes me proud!
Well they have North Holland top of Algonquin, Rotterdam Park in Broker, Rotterdam Heights Near to said Park, Considering New York is named after an English City York with Areas like Soho an area in London, Greenwich Village I think Greenwich being the birth of Greenwich Mean Time GMT In London to, sure there is an area called Chelsea there to named after an area in West London. Rockstar obviously couldn't do that so nicked some Dutch Names North Holland I against combines Harlem and Noho which I'm sure means North something like Soho. I believe North Holland is based on Harlem though. I'm sure Real Life New York has some Dutch names not sure. But In this case Gta have given it Dutch names I'm sure there is the Rotterdam Tunnel to linking Algonquin to Alderney or maybe that is the real tunnel linking Manhattan to New Jersey.
It make sense that Rockstar named the biggest tower after a Dutch city. Liberty City was even once named New Rotterdam, just like how NYC was once named New Amsterdam. There's even neighborhoods called Rotterdam Hill, North Holland, East Holland and a street named Amsterdam Lane.
Why did Rockstar ever fix the jittering in the background distance ? 0:37 Is this a performance issues ?? Always noticed this even with maxed settings and powerful hardware
Different timelines different changes. Some are inconsistent but most are accurate after the events of each game :-)
I've been waiting for this video for 2 years.
I have been by Roman's cab depot in TLAD before BUYER'S MARKET and Roman's cab depot wasn't destroyed.
There are more differences made to LOST MC clubhouse in EFLC: wall with side entrance looks different and there are other gates,
There is a parking lot near Helitrous Mavericks in TBoGT
In TBoGT around Algonquin there are stickers which promote ELFC radiostations
In Star Junction there is Burger Shot (or Clucking Bell, can't remember) which has ad near entrance, in TBoGT there is ad for Princess Robot Bubblegum instead
Door in the top of MeTV building is different in TBoGT
Actually, the "Rigged To Blow" garage isn't destroyed in TLAD until after the mission "Action/Reaction."
thinking about a video like this coming out and it did that’s crazy
Really cool attention to detail they used to have
GTA V also have a lot of map changes during single player - ruclips.net/video/qCQc87tdS9Q/видео.htmlsi=f2dhm3f-6arxbslW
I always thought there was something different about the game, but I didn't know the DLC actually did change that much of the map.
3:57 The one who literally needs to be in that exact spot doesn't get the ladder.
wow amazing video! effort put in.
your content is amazing
I’ve always wanted to see this! Thanks!
Great content, thanks
Hey there!
You forgot to include TBOGT The Lost club being destroyed.
Ngl I always thought that the only thing different about LC in TLAD and TBOGT was the clubs and the Lost clubhouse.
Also, it doesn't make sense for Roman's apartment to be burned before Jason died if the apartment was burned after Niko killed Jason.
Now, imagine a remastered GTA IV with both DLCs added in one big game to have the map look the same throughout
Bruh it's 2023 enough about GTA4 now.
This man is going to excessive lengths to propagate this one game. I mean... it's an ok game, I guess? Give it a break already, damn.
But it’s a fun game tho
Awesome atention to detail!
Yet here we wait 10 years for the Mile High Club
Way I always wanted a map changes of GTA 4 😮
This is the definition of Rockstar in the 2000s Almost no one would notice such small details, but it was still made
Desperately need these kind of videos
Cool to see one of the best things in RDR2 was evloving events GTA6 could take this to the next level.
8:42
British steeplejack Fred Dibnah felling Liberty City
2008-2009
God this GTA IV nice game damn I can't believe 😢
Does anyone know if there's a mod that brings these changes to Niko's story or vice versa like putting the burnt out Lost clubhouse in the TBOGT?
i dont have a clue man stuck with gta san andreas soo i canot anser you
Search The Complete Liberty City: GTA IV + EFLC Map mod
@@checkmate5336 Cool! Thanks, dude.
the complete Liberty City GTA 4 + EFLC map mix or the actual complete edition mod both add the TBOGT map for both the original and the TLAD on pc
@@nier133 Do you know if putting in the TBOGT map to the other games changes their atmosphere to that of the TBOGT?
Interesting video. Would be cool it they used only one map for all the 3 games, and used the color pallet from TBOGT
You can do this with GTAIV fusion fix, or if you manually replace IV/TLAD timecyc with TBOGT one
We absolutely need a remake where the map is like tbogt and clubhouses too within all the gta 4 trilogy. I really hope rockstar is making us wait so long for a good reason otherwise i should just emulate gta 4 on pc rather then wait to pkay it on modern consolles
What about the beach just off the Northern Gardens projects on the northermost part of Bohan? There are some trees scattered around in TLAD only.
I always pictured this version of liberty city as such a cold and gray soulless place for some reason
As much as these changes are cool, its kinda weird how they didnt introduce them to base 4 or TLAD. If TBOGT took place after 4 then it would be fine but as it is now, it's a minor nitpick at best
it would have been really cool if you owned the dlcs they would update the map in the base game
These are things that no one noticed back in the day
Such small/big changes wonder why from walking through doors to even detail. Two years difference
GTA 4 Is definitely one of the best gta, also on PC flickering got fixed and much more, pc is now def worth it
It’s because in the dlc’s the storylines are in the middle of GTA 4’s
R* is capable of making map changes. They should do it on the fly in the next game but hopefully, they aren't lazy
They did in Red Dead Redemption 2.
I hope they do a remaster by far the best storyline
It's a shame there isn't an official patch to combine them all and eliminate barriers between them.
I justify the continuity in lore by telling myself that each protagonist perceives the world around them slightly differently to each other, and we are simply playing the game through their lens.
Hey Whatever, would you mind doing a video on the mods you installed for GTA IV? Yours looks really nice, I’m curious as to what you might have done
it's the unmodified steam version
is there a mod to get eflc interiors to IV? 🤨 would be really cool tho
yeah it’s called the complete Liberty City GTA 4 + EFLC map mix mod
I know it's real but that sounds so made up 😂
Hey whatever you use simple native trainer?
if tbogt had everything the main game had man it would be perfect
We need a remaster of this game
I miss this game so much
Now I want to play GTA IV again
This is actually pretty impressive compared to GTA V where only parts of GTA V change in GTA online
Wow didn't notice!
Same as GTA Chinatown Wars but without Alderney
When I saw the Driving Range in Ballad of Gay Tony, I went to find it in my copy of GTA IV. Sure enough...
Huh nice
Great Video 👍 👍 👍
6:16 - That's actually not completely true. Around the first set af missions, both Roman's apartment and company is still around in TLAD.
I miss GTA 4 I need it on PS5 dude, my ps3 from 2010 doesn't work anymore and like I'm not going pay 200 dollars to fix something that's 200 😂
Facts they only got this on xbox series and series x as a remastered
That fence in east hook’s not there in TLAD. It’s only there in GTA IV
Did anyone make patch so access to Bahama club is open constantly ?? Anyone, nice difference at 4:51 and weird in the same time that many location in Orginal were closed like that.
Pleaseeee make an return of RDR2 possibilities videos, i love your channel
Grand Changes, Grand Work, Grand Video.