I. This story she did give him a chance and he showed his true colors when he tortured that child ogre which inevitably lead the ogre to war with her country. Think about it Gaston was the true source of evil and the real reason why her father called upon rumple to save his people. Belles father and Gaston were both the real problem
Two things: 1) I liked how Gaston tried to sneak into the shop through the front door while you can clearly hear the door bell ring. Kind of pointless to sneak if you don't care how much noise you make. 2) After Belle tells Gaston Rumple is her husband, I can totally see him saying: 'I guess Stockholm Syndrome can happen even between a beauty and a beast.'
Well... yeah. Dude literally gave his life trying to set Belle free and now he finds out she married the dude that imprisoned her and killed him. That would tick most people off...
Well...Rumple didn't technically kidnap belle. He offered a deal and he wanted Belle to go with him...she agreed and went with him willingly. But yeah, Gaston, she totally was kidnapped.
@@neilbagchi7093 what this person means is probably that since Gaston still saw Rumple as a monster, Belle telling him that he is her husband and also that she’s pregnant with Rumple’s child would make Gaston hate him even more and be more desperate to kill Rumple for killing him
Okay, Gaston upset me when he said Rumpelstiltskin had kidnapped Belle. I have a problem with this couple because of Gold's manipulation, but I don't want to defend him in any way right now and i want do Belle's justice. Every once in a while on the show, someone says Belle has been kidnapped, and in Season 2 Moe says his daughter disappeared because of a deal he made. This is all bullshit, Belle ended up with Rumpel because she was a fucking heroine who made her own conscious decisions and I am extremely annoyed by those pseudo knights on white horses who think they are controlling Belle's fate. I have the feeling that people think Belle is the kind, smart, and courageous librarian with a heart of gold, but they don't treat her like Emma, Charming, or Snow, and that's not right. Let me remind you that this woman is a fucking virtuoso of survival; to stop the war, she let herself be socially demoted (to the level of a maid), worked for a guy who was a monster, was abducted by witches (more than once), survived imprisoned and tortured by Regina, spent 28 years in a psychiatrist and then woke up in a complete stranger to her world, she beat a pirate, was shot, turned into Lacy, had amnesia, revived her boyfriend, went to hell and back pregnant, saw her son as a grown man and thought she missed his childhood, survived the curse of the Black Fairy and did it all in 10cm high heels and without any apparent damage to the psyche. And still people see her as the sweet lovely girlfriend of the Big Bad Mr. Gold, or as a victim of events beyond her control. I am not making excuses for Gold's manipulation (I believe he was also one of those people who did not see the potential of his wife) but I note how amazing Belle is. I think the heroes should be happy that this woman is on their side, because if she was the bad one, she would burn all this world and foundations. And Gaston, Gold and Maurice still think they have to lead her by the hand or take responsibility for her actions. It's insulting to her.
He didn't show compassion to Rumple. He aimed an arrow at Rumple while at his front door and demanded that he release Belle. How was that the hero's way? Nope!
@@koro_kokoro The original 1740 Beauty and the Beast novel by Mme de Villeneuve was happy, and it wasn't a morality lesson either. In the original novel, the Beauty was a heroine, and the Beast was the kind and gentle literal victim of a vindictive fairy who attempted to groom him.
@@philiptucker7590 She probably would be self destructive if she was with Gaston, because he wouldn't treat her properly. He only wanted her as his property.
I never really saw how twisted belle and rumple was until they mentioned rumple kidnapping and making belle his slave and than Belle being his wife in the same scene. Despite all the sweetness of season 1-3, that really is such a hit of realisation. The writers covered it up with cute scenes, but that's what it was.
+TVOCD he didnt kidnap her, it was a deal... and when you say slave... it was much more like a housekeeper, not to mention she told him she wanted to come, because she always wanted to be a hero and see the world... its gastons view thats twisted here, not the relationship
+TVOCD Dark Oncer is right. Belle made that deal with her eyes open, just like she decided to marry a shallow fool she never had a chance of loving. Honestly, interpreting the deal as a kidnapping is treating Belle as more of a servant or slave than Rumple ever did. At least Rumple respects Belle's right to decide her own fate.
+dark oncer Even though she made the deal..it was more of a hostage type of situation. Rumpelstiltskin set a price, true but he put her in a situation where she had to chose her people welfare or her life. Even you consider that factor than it's actually worse than kidnapping. Before she offer, he had asked to have Belle. It was more of a hostile situation if anything, to define it would be to complicated. And considering the accommodation where she lived... she might as well be a slave. Her room was horrible and the hostile living situations that she had was bad. And many ways she was a slave, true the work load that she did was that of a housekeeper. But the fact remain that she was consider captive. When Rumpelstiltskin decided to let her go, the first time..he said you are free. Meaning that she wasn't free in the first place which made her a slave. Also if it was a simple situation of being employed then why did she consider taking his offer of running away or never even was payed or allowed to go outside. That is technically being a slave because he controlled her and had a sense of entitlement over her to point he freed her from working with him. Plus she never actually was payed for her work at his house, which is the basic points of slavery, free labor.
+TVOCD Personally OUAT have been doing that a lot. If we truly analyze the scenes and think about how many people was killed in this show than it's a pretty high number but it's gloss over. I feel this way in such situations such as the lack of explaining of concepts such as true love, neal lack of character like lets be real when neal enter into ouat he was originally suppose to be Emma's main love interest. Then when the captain hook character became popular neal have a boot. This is why I ultimately can't respect captain swan because the way swanfire was removed in the series was insane.
I'm surprised Gaston didn't try to kill Belle too. Because, Gaston said that Belle made him weak, and it was because of her that he made his decision about going alone to confront Rumpelstiltskin.
I was so disappointed when I heard the reason Gaston kept Belle's book was because of the grudge he had for Rumple and somehow Belle herself😔 cause I thought in this show and this episode and scenario, they're gonna make him a sympathetic villain or someone that Belle can get through, or the fact that in 1x12 Belle told he's boring! but no!
Yeah, but wasn’t Gaston already a villain at one point because he tried to kill belle, and an ogre baby and she stopped it because when he looked at the mirror, his eyes were red
2:30 first of all, he didn’t kidnap her! She was willing to stay with him if it meant to save her Kindgom and also she doesn’t have Stockholm syndrome. She fell in love with him once she realized that there’s a good person underneath that monstrous skin
It's really nauseating to always see Belle lecture from her soap box, marginalizing people's feelings. Gaston was murdered for trying to rescue Belle from her captor by said captor and she's actually chastising him for that?! Why doesn't anyone ever call her out on how naive she is, on how blind she is to how Rumple constantly psychologically manipulates and abuses her? She absolutely deserves it. I know there are many people who love "Rumbelle" but I honestly don't understand why. Aside from the fact that there is literally no chemistry (aside from when she was Lacey), what is it about this relationship that everyone likes? When he's not lying to her/manipulating her some outside force is putting their "relationship" in turmoil, which is the only time they're working together, which I think some people confuse as a moment of tenderness
Indeed. It's infuriating how no one calls out Belle for how full of shit and holier than thou she is. All she does is talk down to people as if she has no flaws to exude.
Benjamin Kramer For me, it is because my relationship IS Rumbelle. My husband's personality is half Rumple, half Belle, and I am the other halves. And no, I'm not just being stupid - other people around us see it, too. The weird thing is that, when we aren't fighting, we're the happiest and most contented couple around. We are perfectly compatible. We've just gone into our relationship with our eyes open as to who we both are, unlike Rumple and Belle. It helps. Oh, and before you ask - yes, we manipulate, challenge and control each other like crazy. It doesn't hurt our marriage in the least. We both make it obvious enough that the other person knows what's going on, that way, we can protest if it's unreasonable. For example, I manipulated my man into stopping his descent into alcoholism when we first started dating. Now that we have had our first child, he started pushing for me to become a bit more ladylike. We're both works in progress and that's okay. So, that's my point of view. Hope it helps.
My analysis of Rumple and Belle's relationship is NOT meant to imply anything about real-life relationships. Rather, I'm trying to argue that their so-called romance is more a product of sloppy, shitty writing, which this show is hopelessly plagued with. It is more a soap opera than anything, making it extremely difficult to get invested in people and storylines, and only pretends to be an epic on par with the Disney movies it claims to respect. In regards to Rumbelle specifically, not only is it disrespectful to the original story and meaning of Beauty and the Beast, but there is NOTHING interesting about these two: Belle chooses Rumple because she is adamant in the belief that at his core he is a tortured misguided soul, while Rumple chooses Belle because she enables him. If someone so pure and sweet can forgive him for all he's done he can keep doing evil things, because then he's not alone. That could be interesting, except for a majority of the series this is really the only thing that genuinely describes their relationship. There are no moments of true levity, you never see them being 100% honest with each other, or even being playful or sweet. At his best Rumple is trying to pretend that his evil ways are behind him or has to create a reality where he's a hero and she's his loving wife and the mother of his child (PATHETIC). Based on her character, Belle should not love a man who would beat her father to within an inch of his life, murder her fiancé for trying to rescue her, abandon his son, murder his first wife, and almost splatter his grandson's brains over a rock. Based on his character, Rumple should not love a woman who would not love him unconditionally, who would not accept him as someone who would do these things to preserve himself and punish those who had wronged him or those he loved. Alternatively, Cora and Rumple's relationship was significantly more compelling because they were honest with each other and they loved that the other had a sadistic streak. That was far more compelling than Rumbelle would ever be.
Okay it's one thing to critique their toxic relationship.. but to say she deserves it?? No one deserves abuse, I don't care how many times they go back to their abuser.
Pretty much you try to kill beast pretty much you paid for your actions with your life when you fell to your death Gaston and pretty much in the end you will die again I mean for real
okay, technically, she agreed to go with Rumple and become his maid. Rumple didn't "kidnap" her.
Probably not from his POV
Yeah it was a deal in the first place, one which they had the choice to refuse.
Also she never loved you
@@neilbagchi7093 She never loved Gaston in the actual story, that's for sure. Not only did she see him as sinister, but she also couldn't stand him.
I. This story she did give him a chance and he showed his true colors when he tortured that child ogre which inevitably lead the ogre to war with her country. Think about it Gaston was the true source of evil and the real reason why her father called upon rumple to save his people. Belles father and Gaston were both the real problem
Two things:
1) I liked how Gaston tried to sneak into the shop through the front door while you can clearly hear the door bell ring. Kind of pointless to sneak if you don't care how much noise you make.
2) After Belle tells Gaston Rumple is her husband, I can totally see him saying: 'I guess Stockholm Syndrome can happen even between a beauty and a beast.'
Well for the 1) point, we all already know that Gaston isn’t the smartest of the disney characters. 😂
well for the 2) as if Gaston knows what Stockholm Syndrome is
@@LaptapGamer 1) Gaston is really stupid when you think about it.
2) How dare he make assumptions. On the other hand, he's not wrong.
I like the part where Belle says he's my husband and Gaston just stands there like a freaking idiot
He's my husband. That must have hurt Gaston.
Well... yeah. Dude literally gave his life trying to set Belle free and now he finds out she married the dude that imprisoned her and killed him. That would tick most people off...
Xylarxcode Well he wasn’t a exactly a good fiancé
@@Xylarxcode well Gaston is annoying anyway so
Gaston is worse
Good I guess . He is an asshole
Gaston is so salty because Belle loves Rumple
Well yeah. She's fucking the guy who killed him after he tried to come save her.
He was salty to begin with it’s his fault there was an ogres war
@@EmptyMan000 Technically Rumple just turned him into a Rose. Belle is the one who cut him in half thus killing him
I think hes just mad she didn't love him
@@melindoranightsilver9298 No Rumple killed him
Well...Rumple didn't technically kidnap belle. He offered a deal and he wanted Belle to go with him...she agreed and went with him willingly. But yeah, Gaston, she totally was kidnapped.
Imagine he's response if she added her pregnancy to the explanation. Haha!
I wish she did 😂😂
What would it be it’s too late for him he’s dead?
@@neilbagchi7093 what this person means is probably that since Gaston still saw Rumple as a monster, Belle telling him that he is her husband and also that she’s pregnant with Rumple’s child would make Gaston hate him even more and be more desperate to kill Rumple for killing him
Just imagine Gaston's reaction,if Belle said that Rumple is her true love
Okay, Gaston upset me when he said Rumpelstiltskin had kidnapped Belle. I have a problem with this couple because of Gold's manipulation, but I don't want to defend him in any way right now and i want do Belle's justice. Every once in a while on the show, someone says Belle has been kidnapped, and in Season 2 Moe says his daughter disappeared because of a deal he made. This is all bullshit, Belle ended up with Rumpel because she was a fucking heroine who made her own conscious decisions and I am extremely annoyed by those pseudo knights on white horses who think they are controlling Belle's fate.
I have the feeling that people think Belle is the kind, smart, and courageous librarian with a heart of gold, but they don't treat her like Emma, Charming, or Snow, and that's not right. Let me remind you that this woman is a fucking virtuoso of survival; to stop the war, she let herself be socially demoted (to the level of a maid), worked for a guy who was a monster, was abducted by witches (more than once), survived imprisoned and tortured by Regina, spent 28 years in a psychiatrist and then woke up in a complete stranger to her world, she beat a pirate, was shot, turned into Lacy, had amnesia, revived her boyfriend, went to hell and back pregnant, saw her son as a grown man and thought she missed his childhood, survived the curse of the Black Fairy and did it all in 10cm high heels and without any apparent damage to the psyche. And still people see her as the sweet lovely girlfriend of the Big Bad Mr. Gold, or as a victim of events beyond her control. I am not making excuses for Gold's manipulation (I believe he was also one of those people who did not see the potential of his wife) but I note how amazing Belle is. I think the heroes should be happy that this woman is on their side, because if she was the bad one, she would burn all this world and foundations. And Gaston, Gold and Maurice still think they have to lead her by the hand or take responsibility for her actions. It's insulting to her.
Very good points.
Possible Comeback to "You always had a soft-spot for a monster": "I was engaged to you..."
(From Disney Beauty and the Beast)
Belle: "He's no monster, Gaston! *You are!* "
I love the way the actor who played Gaston said "why not?" God, his voice is so deep.
He didn't show compassion to Rumple. He aimed an arrow at Rumple while at his front door and demanded that he release Belle. How was that the hero's way? Nope!
It wasn't the great western way, never mind the hero's way.
I laugh to death when Gaston give Belle the star when she tells rumble is her husband!!
Techinically, Rumple only turned him into a rose
Frances Olson how did he died when he was turned into a rose
@@shaquana12hyatt Belle cut the rose's stem, which killed Gaston. So technically Belle killed him without knowing it
@@violetlavi2207 I know that is why I said technically rumple only turned him into a rose
shaquana hyatt you asked how he could die as a rose, and I told you. OP is the one who said “technically, Rumple turned him into a rose.”
oh ok. I wrote that so long ago I didn't remember fully@@violetlavi2207
Belle is my favorite Disney princess but this show makes her look crazy.
It's the world of Disney. Being crazy is a prerequisite to be in this nonsense.
Disney made them looks like hero’s, but the fairy tails they were based on weren’t so happy, they were morality lessons
@@koro_kokoro The original 1740 Beauty and the Beast novel by Mme de Villeneuve was happy, and it wasn't a morality lesson either. In the original novel, the Beauty was a heroine, and the Beast was the kind and gentle literal victim of a vindictive fairy who attempted to groom him.
This version of Belle was definitely crazy and self destructive lol
@@philiptucker7590 She probably would be self destructive if she was with Gaston, because he wouldn't treat her properly. He only wanted her as his property.
Its stupid that gaston thinks if he went with an army he could've defeat rumple
If Gaston did went with an army, not only he would still be killed but all his followers as well.
He looks waaaaay more like Prince Eric than Gaston. Just sayin.
Agreed!
3 things
1. Wiser words were never spoken.
2. Blame the creators.
3. Prince Eric looks NOTHING like Gaston.
Gaston wanted Belle as his property not his wife.
2:37
OUAT 5x17 (2016)
Gaston: "Good old Belle
Homecoming (2017)
Vulture: "Good old Spiderman"
LOL
I never really saw how twisted belle and rumple was until they mentioned rumple kidnapping and making belle his slave and than Belle being his wife in the same scene. Despite all the sweetness of season 1-3, that really is such a hit of realisation. The writers covered it up with cute scenes, but that's what it was.
+TVOCD he didnt kidnap her, it was a deal... and when you say slave... it was much more like a housekeeper, not to mention she told him she wanted to come, because she always wanted to be a hero and see the world... its gastons view thats twisted here, not the relationship
+TVOCD Dark Oncer is right. Belle made that deal with her eyes open, just like she decided to marry a shallow fool she never had a chance of loving. Honestly, interpreting the deal as a kidnapping is treating Belle as more of a servant or slave than Rumple ever did. At least Rumple respects Belle's right to decide her own fate.
+Holly J whoohooo, love people agreeing with me! Thanks for backing me up
+dark oncer Even though she made the deal..it was more of a hostage type of situation. Rumpelstiltskin set a price, true but he put her in a situation where she had to chose her people welfare or her life. Even you consider that factor than it's actually worse than kidnapping. Before she offer, he had asked to have Belle. It was more of a hostile situation if anything, to define it would be to complicated. And considering the accommodation where she lived... she might as well be a slave. Her room was horrible and the hostile living situations that she had was bad. And many ways she was a slave, true the work load that she did was that of a housekeeper. But the fact remain that she was consider captive. When Rumpelstiltskin decided to let her go, the first time..he said you are free. Meaning that she wasn't free in the first place which made her a slave. Also if it was a simple situation of being employed then why did she consider taking his offer of running away or never even was payed or allowed to go outside. That is technically being a slave because he controlled her and had a sense of entitlement over her to point he freed her from working with him. Plus she never actually was payed for her work at his house, which is the basic points of slavery, free labor.
+TVOCD Personally OUAT have been doing that a lot. If we truly analyze the scenes and think about how many people was killed in this show than it's a pretty high number but it's gloss over. I feel this way in such situations such as the lack of explaining of concepts such as true love, neal lack of character like lets be real when neal enter into ouat he was originally suppose to be Emma's main love interest. Then when the captain hook character became popular neal have a boot. This is why I ultimately can't respect captain swan because the way swanfire was removed in the series was insane.
I'm surprised Gaston didn't try to kill Belle too. Because, Gaston said that Belle made him weak, and it was because of her that he made his decision about going alone to confront Rumpelstiltskin.
He didn't kill Belle cause he was in love with her so well its difficult
@@noamilian955 but at the end of the day, it was Belle to blame for Gastons death.
Probably because Hades told Gaston to not hurt her. It's gonna be difficult to get a baby if the mother dies before giving birth.
@@SchultzDorinda oh yeah! That makes sense
@@dankiumzed2831just remember it was the second time Belle killed Gaston (she cut the rose that Rumple transformed him to)
I was so disappointed when I heard the reason Gaston kept Belle's book was because of the grudge he had for Rumple and somehow Belle herself😔 cause I thought in this show and this episode and scenario, they're gonna make him a sympathetic villain or someone that Belle can get through, or the fact that in 1x12 Belle told he's boring! but no!
0:42 Gasp! Rumple was Michael Myers all along!
Even if Gaston went with an army, they would have been wipe out since he has the power of the dark one. So, he kind of unstopable. Just saying
Yeah, but wasn’t Gaston already a villain at one point because he tried to kill belle, and an ogre baby and she stopped it because when he looked at the mirror, his eyes were red
After all these years i still wonder where belle got that doll
Lol right. And the wig. And the suit. I notice there seems to be a lot of stuff tucked away in Gold's shop throughout the series 😅
2:30 first of all, he didn’t kidnap her! She was willing to stay with him if it meant to save her Kindgom and also she doesn’t have Stockholm syndrome. She fell in love with him once she realized that there’s a good person underneath that monstrous skin
Sounds like Belle said “fuck me” hahaha 😂
Lowkey wished she said because i love him instead of he's my husband but still great
I think husband stung more. Since Gaston was suppose to marry her after all.
belle did go willingly, but then.. Rumple gave her no choice-- either she goes or her kingdom would fall by ogres. so.... he kindof did nab her
1:54 Belle made Gaston weak, she made Rumple stronger. See the difference?
I do like Wes Brown better in this role than Sage Brocklebank. I feel Wes got down who Gaston was better than Sage did.
It's really nauseating to always see Belle lecture from her soap box, marginalizing people's feelings. Gaston was murdered for trying to rescue Belle from her captor by said captor and she's actually chastising him for that?! Why doesn't anyone ever call her out on how naive she is, on how blind she is to how Rumple constantly psychologically manipulates and abuses her? She absolutely deserves it. I know there are many people who love "Rumbelle" but I honestly don't understand why. Aside from the fact that there is literally no chemistry (aside from when she was Lacey), what is it about this relationship that everyone likes? When he's not lying to her/manipulating her some outside force is putting their "relationship" in turmoil, which is the only time they're working together, which I think some people confuse as a moment of tenderness
Indeed. It's infuriating how no one calls out Belle for how full of shit and holier than thou she is. All she does is talk down to people as if she has no flaws to exude.
Benjamin Kramer For me, it is because my relationship IS Rumbelle. My husband's personality is half Rumple, half Belle, and I am the other halves. And no, I'm not just being stupid - other people around us see it, too. The weird thing is that, when we aren't fighting, we're the happiest and most contented couple around. We are perfectly compatible. We've just gone into our relationship with our eyes open as to who we both are, unlike Rumple and Belle. It helps.
Oh, and before you ask - yes, we manipulate, challenge and control each other like crazy. It doesn't hurt our marriage in the least. We both make it obvious enough that the other person knows what's going on, that way, we can protest if it's unreasonable. For example, I manipulated my man into stopping his descent into alcoholism when we first started dating. Now that we have had our first child, he started pushing for me to become a bit more ladylike. We're both works in progress and that's okay.
So, that's my point of view. Hope it helps.
My analysis of Rumple and Belle's relationship is NOT meant to imply anything about real-life relationships. Rather, I'm trying to argue that their so-called romance is more a product of sloppy, shitty writing, which this show is hopelessly plagued with. It is more a soap opera than anything, making it extremely difficult to get invested in people and storylines, and only pretends to be an epic on par with the Disney movies it claims to respect.
In regards to Rumbelle specifically, not only is it disrespectful to the original story and meaning of Beauty and the Beast, but there is NOTHING interesting about these two: Belle chooses Rumple because she is adamant in the belief that at his core he is a tortured misguided soul, while Rumple chooses Belle because she enables him. If someone so pure and sweet can forgive him for all he's done he can keep doing evil things, because then he's not alone.
That could be interesting, except for a majority of the series this is really the only thing that genuinely describes their relationship. There are no moments of true levity, you never see them being 100% honest with each other, or even being playful or sweet. At his best Rumple is trying to pretend that his evil ways are behind him or has to create a reality where he's a hero and she's his loving wife and the mother of his child (PATHETIC).
Based on her character, Belle should not love a man who would beat her father to within an inch of his life, murder her fiancé for trying to rescue her, abandon his son, murder his first wife, and almost splatter his grandson's brains over a rock. Based on his character, Rumple should not love a woman who would not love him unconditionally, who would not accept him as someone who would do these things to preserve himself and punish those who had wronged him or those he loved. Alternatively, Cora and Rumple's relationship was significantly more compelling because they were honest with each other and they loved that the other had a sadistic streak. That was far more compelling than Rumbelle would ever be.
Okay it's one thing to critique their toxic relationship.. but to say she deserves it?? No one deserves abuse, I don't care how many times they go back to their abuser.
Well that could be considered true even for the disney ver in a way...
What Gaston is a monster and a total jerk I know he’s handsome and all but honestly he’s not great. 🙂↔
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Zeina
Gaston my guy she has a condition called Stockholm syndrome almost every kidnapped victim gets it!
I like the first Gaston better because he seem like more of a jerk.
Why is Belle English?
The actress is Australian actually
Her surname is French in the show
EMILE DE Ravin is actually austrailian
The actress can do an American accent though because he did one in Roswell and that made for tv Carrie movie.
Roerbotcarlyle I’ve you gold Scotland zeina boyfreind ok Love ❤️
Pretty much you try to kill beast pretty much you paid for your actions with your life when you fell to your death Gaston and pretty much in the end you will die again I mean for real
Zeina