The $16,500 Challenge: 2020 Ducati Panigale V2 vs. 2019 Honda CBR1000RR
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2020
- The title of this story pretty much sums it all, doesn’t it? Today’s flagship literbikes are getting increasingly expensive, putting them out of the realm of all but the most well off among us. So, let’s look at sportbikes at the lower end of the price scale, shall we? Mainly the Ducati Panigale V2. Ducati’s last V-Twin sportbike, the super-mid comes in at 955cc and $16,500 (well, $16,495 at the time I’m writing this) and the 2019 Honda CBR1000RR. Coming in at $16,499, the Double-R is the base version of Honda’s superbike we in America will be getting alongside the pirate-approved CBR1000RR-R SP; and yes, it’s officially a 2019 model being carried over into 2020. With price tags so close, it only made sense to put these two against each other to see which offers more bang for the buck.
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Ducati is the alfa romeo of bikes, its all about passion,looks history. You buy a bike like that to put a smile on your face everytime you drive or just look at it.
Ducati is the Ferrari of bikes
Somewhere over the 🌈 you did not just say Honda is the Alfa Romeo of all bikes
You won’t be smiling while your nuts get roasted in traffic, or when you’re on the side of the road, or when you’re waiting months for parts ordered from Italy.
@@luisribeiro3604 exactly...well said and a known fact.
Ride what you all want and STFU! Me..I'll take the Duc.
Reliability is extremely important to a lot of people! Saying that, Honda simply has a better track record.
Simple answer here is: Honda for performance Ducati for Passion,E stai bene.
Not in the milion years i thought i would hear this sentence. "Honda for performance" Specially comparing to ducati.
@@Fearless154 More like Honda for reliability...Ducati is a piece of art
@@braunvanvarden876 art that breaks all the time. You know someone who has one? they repair it more than ride it
@@pedrorezende4873 haha i know...art that's only meant to be kept at home for decor ;)
Siberian Wind Ducati is extremely reliable now
There are some big messages smuggled into this short video; on a few levels, well done!
I would like to preface my comments on the fact that I am a proud owner of an RR and V2. Now lets get after it. I am completely turned off by the numbers game. The RR does what it does-it's smooth and fast. The V2 is why people go outside to watch a crazy lightning storm, that they hope won't hurt them! This is where I digress. If we go down the numbers game, of course the Ducati will not match up. Each bike evokes an emotion, and that is what should be evaluated, not just in this review, but in most. Sure the RR is slightly faster than the V2, but who cares? The V2 is gorgeous, and always sounds angry-like you insulted its family. The Honda is like your big brother, you could always rely on in a street fight. The point being, all of these "journalists" who drag a knee think they have it all figured out. Both of these bikes bring a smile to my face for different reasons. The hell with the numbers! Stop saying what everyone else says, and tell a story!
Hey. How is the heat from the Ducati V2? Three years ago I test-rode a 959 Panigale. It was 45° Fahrenheit outside, but that bike got so hot that it felt like someone was shooting a flame thrower directly at my balls! I couldn't take it, but the sound of that engine frightened me in a beautiful way. I couldn't stop thinking about that engine. The videos don't do it justice.
Those leathers look like fisherman’s rain gear.
I didn’t noticed till I read your comment. That’s too funny. Cause now all a see him as a fisherman lol
That’s a hilarious observation!
You either want a Ducati or you don’t.
I want one I just don't want to burn my nuts and be significantly poorer
@@rustyshackleford6874 ...trust me, any motorcycle that you ride in the hot sun at low speeds is going to burn your nuts. Well, "roast your nuts" is more accurate, but still.
and a 60-month 2% loan on a $20k bike is not that big of a deal.
The problem is securing the bike. 8/10th of the problem. 1/10th is riding it on sketchy roads. And the remaining 1/10th is trading a car for the bike.
I'd have an easier time spending that money on an old Porsche rather than a new bike.
@Beardicus from a former zx10r owner the v4 feel raw as fuck the torque the sound the vibration so much drama and the bike looks epic everytime i get of the bike i steal a glance at it i never regreated buying a ducati
Im not paying same price for Honda...wtf. when I had my Ducati ppl was all I on my nuts. It was great lol
touristguy87 what old Porsche is going for anywhere near 20k in the past 4 years💀 even 914s are over priced now
I really enjoyed this comparison video, these are the same two motorcycles I have been debating about over and over. This was a very complete comparison that helped me make a decision on which bike I'm going to purchase.Great job
Which did you choose?
Fireblade 🔥 EVERY time. I’m biased...I want my bike to start each and every morning.💯😂🏍
Bruh, good choice.
The fire made is the rr-r and that bike is awfully close to $30,000 usd. In fact I’m pretty sure with taxes and all the dealer bull$h!7 you will find that bike crossing that 30k threshold easily. Not the same as the double-R.
@@albertoj.mollinedo4116 the CBR1000RR has been called the fireblade since way before the CBR1000RR-R Fireblade SP was unveiled. We are talking 20+ years of people calling Honda’s top of the line superbike the Fireblade. He is correct in calling this model the fireblade.
David Bresnahan but it isn’t the fireblade anymore. Like you said, that’s for the top of the line one which is the triple r sp.
@@pmwaffle9348 No, the CBR1000RR is still called the fireblade. It doesn’t just lose that nickname because a new one came out with the name. And by top of the line, I meant their liter class of superbikes, not just the very best edition of their liter bike. The Double R is still a fireblade, they have been calling it that since 1992 when it was still the CBR900RR. Just because there is a new one doesn’t mean the rest of them magically lose the rights to the fireblade name.
Love both but I own a duc. Honda has their “Honda reliability” behind it but the Duc is pure sex
Honda is living of the past reliability history it build up back on the 90s. Today’s Honda doesn’t compare. I would say as reliable as Ducati.
@@albertoj.mollinedo4116 wow, do you even know what reliability means?
@@sagheer.a4988 he obviously doesnt know what it means cause he compares honda reliability to ducati.
Alberto J. Mollinedo not true
I can only speak to the bikes I’ve owned. I had two Honda dirt bikes; a CR250 and an XR400. Both were flawlessly reliable. I had a Monster 695 and currently have a Hypermotard 1100. Both flawlessly reliable.
I really enjoyed your review of these two sport bikes! Great insight from a great rider! Your input, honesty and experience, make this a review worthy of watching. I do enjoy this type of comparison especially when I am trying to decide on either of these bikes! But once again, I really enjoyed your comments and riding in evaluating these two excellent machines! Peace.
Thank you, decent comprehensive assessment of riding two bikes.
Great unbiased review , all makes sense to me , top job .
I m lost with him. Honda is so easy to ride, its renowned for being the friendliest bike. Next thing comfortable from cbr is a car. I cannot believe to imagine Ducati is being more consistent than cbr. I too have ridden both on track and road. I have completely different experience. Oh power level 1 in cbr isn't aggressive, try switching everything off by pressing power mode 1 by holding select button for 5 secs. The bike turns into insanity aggressive mode.
Bikke Chettri i think he is saying the v2 have a better performance than the new 2020 base model cbr1krr. The reason the old cbrs handles well is because its a slow bike in turn better handling.
@@krayzieegg7294 lol. Try listening again.
he says it appears to be more consistent due to the electronics package which appears to have come from the V4, famously one of the best packages out there.
In every other aspect the Honda appears to be faster,easier,less aggressive and with more to come if you can remove noise/emission limiter to truly untap the bike's potential.
He says it himself his review is mostly about track riding.
The Ducati is probably easier to ride really fast around a track without getting in trouble because of the great electronics package, you just slam that throttle wide open everywhere and let the electronics sort it out.
Its really hard to pick between modern day Superbikes, it really just depends on needs. Reviewers desperately try to tell something for the sake of creating content while not bashing brands.
Already had my kids as well as ridden and owned Hondas 900rr and 929rr so it’s the V2 🔥 for me.
I’m really glad Honda kept the old version around, just wish they added a fuel gauge which is what kep me from it and going for the GSXR1000R.
I have a cbr600rr now and want to upgrade to the 1000cc. really was thinking going with the cbr but I been seeing good reviews on the gsxr. I just dont like the screen on the gsxr. How do you like your gsxr?
I own a 2018 Honda CBR1000RR and I love it....I have put 10,400 miles since i got her brand new in April 2019.The only modifications have being Ackropovic full exhaust, K&N filter, power commander and servo boddy. The bike feels fast enoght for me and it has show to me that is reliable. Right now it is January and I can't wait until April to be able to ride her again
Very good video and unbiased comparison. Well done!
You can find 2019 CBR 1000 SP for $14k new. I actually like the Honda more.
Here in Sweden they cost like 24 000. Base is 19 000
@@hymerr you paid for shipping.
i got my 17 brand new for $13500
Homage Ninja: An SP !?? (rather than the Base Model). Please tell us Dealer Names and Addresses. Is one of them Pete's Cycle in Baltimore ?
Oops, AutoCorrect made "Hokage Ninja" into "Homage Ninja"...oh, well.
Another great informative video thank you very much 👍🏾💯
The lighting on that last setup was nice. When I first saw the monochrome GSX-R750, it looked a bit timeless.
Time has caught up.
great review
Honda for the win, i own a 2017 fireblade and im loving every second i spent on that bike 😎
I got the 2018 lmao Awesome bike
@@ericnarvaiz9216 19. It's like sky diving every ride.
You can also get a new old stock variant of the cbr. Exact same bike, 2018 for example, easy bag for $12k on new old stock. Hell you can get a 2018/19 sp model for for $17 all day, with a blipper, with qss, with ohlins, with Brembo.
New old stock deals are great,In late 2017 I picked up a new 2016 Yamaha R1S in flat grey for $10,200 out the door
19 cbr1000rr 12500 plus tax. 13500
Bought new in aug 2020.
@@Turtle-RR there's one zero mile listed for 11k in my area
Good video. I'm a long time Honda rider (on dirt bikes) but always loved Ducatis too. Personally I think I'd go for the Ducati for its manners, looks, and the sound. Also in a few years it'll probably trade in better on a new V4.
I've ridden both, spot on review. The Ducati just looks so good :(
u can get a peel and stick heat shield for the seat plastics on the ducati, easy to install , which apparently works
I've test-driven both of these bikes and they're performance monsters. If you're not a professional racer or riding in a professional arena, most of their power is excessive. If you only use them for daily driving and occasional passion, make sure you don't worry about their motivation. So I'm more concerned about the cost of owning it, reliability and good ride experience. The DUCATI engine heat PROBLEM HAS SERIOUSLY AFFECTED MY RIDING experience, it makes MY riding not good, the Honda is also hot, but it is acceptable. I thought about the cost of ownership, reliability and comfort and I chose the Honda. No one in 2022 will think Honda has less brand power than Ducati? Then I'd say you don't know much about Honda.
@Zzz Asdfdsa fairly looking at your 1way blind clueless comment you could only have test driven a scooter 😅😅. I made the huge mistake of chosing a Honda CBR 300R ( 28k €) : after only 6 months I was owning ( and not riding at all ) a typical HONDA piece of GARBAGE with unbelievable manufactoring failures !! Read & take note : crankshaft replacement (😮 😮 not kidding, as 6 months passing after buyin' the bike),massive oil consumption after 200 kms rode, other 4 broken tools which its too long to write down here . Both company and dealer at first refused to apply guarantee finding ridiculous, childish excuses ( 1 month later my lawyer made them change their minds).
I can't call the CBR 300R other than the most UNREALIABLE & the BIGGEST GARBAGE I've ever rode, the honda engine the worst made and breackable of world bikes. I put this stuff on sale, hopefully I will buy a DUCATI in the future, more expensive but much more reliable, better engineered and better made,just another planet . And if any denies this last, then he doesn't know much about bikes !! lol
I own cbr 2019 almost a years already.. So far so good.. Just a few thing i dont like about the bike is the gearbox sensor
Great video 👍
Completely agree, honda has alot of untapped potential. A simple ECU flash got me to 174 hp on my 2017 cbr
Let me start it off by saying that Troy - you are awesome👍
Now coming to the bikes. Well everyone bad mouthed Honda for not bringing CBR 1000RR-R base version to USA. But after this comparo one can see the value in retaining the 2017 model as the base model even in 2020.
CBR 1000RR as we know is one of the most real world friendly superbike out there. So it will be my pick over the V2.
EDIT: Also an ECU flush on the 'blade will give you 179 rwhp. Ducati V2 stands no chance at that power.
Much appreciated. Thank you.
Dude, ducati v2 is a middle weight supersports and a replacement of the ducati panigale 959, the big daddy is still there to give tough competition to the cbr fireblade, the V4 still exists, and in its segment, the Ducati V2 kicks every bike in the middle weight supersports segment, i think, now the middleweight super sports crown goes to this Ducati V2, as it was previously holded by the mighty Ninja zx6r and before that, the crown belonged to the Triumph daytona 675r!!!
My 2015 GSX-R750 put down 136 rwhp with the crappy stock tune - similar to what the V2 got on this video.
That was before the Flashtune fuel and ignition dyno tuning by a MotoGP shop here on Newport Beach.
Very thorough analysis - thanks for sharing! (V2 rider)
Hey bro you say you're a V2 rider ...is the heat under the seat as bad as all these reviews are saying ..? Thanks man.
I have the the blade, and trust me those bikes come out very lean from the factory, so with a little woolich flash I've hit 185 whp on stock... now it's a RR
Really interesting content
As a Ducati owner, during the summer, the seat heat is completely unbearable sometimes. I have been in traffic before, switching which leg is holding my bike up every 5 seconds because it was burning so bad that I couldn't keep one leg down at a time. But if its 75°F and below? Fantastic, and they are absolutely amazing machines. If you live somewhere like LA or Phoenix? Maybe get a different bike though 😬
Quality video - again.
Always a fireblade, user friendly superbike. Own SC59 HRC, loved it soo muchh
Kawasaki zx10r 12.4k 200whp😂😂😂😂 gtfo of here 2019 model
Lol
bike from 2011 slower than blade around jerez.
Honda if you want to ride your bike.
Ducati if you want to spend time going to the dealership every month.
Lol 😂
That used to be the case but since Audi took over Ducati have been a lot better in terms of reliability
There has always been that trade off for cutting edge technology. Yamaha is a good middle ground. Just ask Rossi =)
@Tony Dinh oh you mean the Honda that had gearbox failure nearly killing two roadracers from UK (Guy Martin and John McGuiness) and many others that had the same gearbox problems .
@Tony Dinh www.motofire.com/2017/07/honda-quietly-release-details-of-fireblade-failure-in-mcguinness-crash/
drivetribe.com/p/guy-martin-is-pissed-at-the-new-dggbbOF5T26tx7b2dretww?iid=fkRIaGPJRkqAVnA5TDOPMQ
And many more have had these problems. Just a quick Google search with the keywords "honda CBR 2017 gearbox problems" gives you a bunch of results
Hey guys really like this v2 but I’m also leaning towards an s1000rr which would y’all get. On and off daily and once a month track day.
Small blender vs. Washing machine. For price comparing those are good but same gategory bikes should be v4r vs 1000rr?
In Europe Honda CBR1000RR have more than 190 BHP, which makes much bigger difference. On a track Honda is in different league than Ducati.
Actually this is the biggest issue here, Panigale V2 cost as much as mamy 1liter sportsbikes: GSX-R, R1 and ZX-10R, which has much more horsepower than Ducati.
Ducati may have slightly better electronic package, but it's not enough to put it in front od japanese trio. Personally I would prefer to leave Baby Panigale as its was before, now it is somewhere between two classess: to expensive for smaller sportsbikes and to underpowered to compete with bigger ones.
Nice video, I just wonder if is no way to help with the heat coming from the Ducati, like an extra layer of heat dissipation material or something?
You can do an exhaust wrap that helps significantly, but they can be hard to do right as any moisture that gets stuck in the wrap can rust an exhaust. There’s also ceramic which isn’t as good temp wise, and is more expensive, but won’t ruin your exhaust.
Honda all day !!
I still prefer Honda....Ducati reliability is also the question...that and cost of maintaining. But, you had fun at Chuckwalla! I'd love to just test out both there!
Wow this was a really really cool idea and video
Excellent review, in an ideal world a Ducati Multistrada V2 S and a Panigale V2 S in the same garage.............smiles for miles
Spending that amount of money, Ducati. The exclusivity and sexiness. Great review!!!
Yeah but then on the street you get destroyed by $5000 2005 gsxr 1000 lol
Request panigale vs cbr1000rr-r
Track bikes can be fun on the street too. Some slightly taller clip-ons and rock and roll.
I believe cost of ownership, reliability and longevity also favor the Honda. Thanks for the video.
Ducati bikes are cheaper to service than their reputation has most people thinking now. The service intervals in the last 20yrs have been getting farther and farther apart.
I ran the TD tire all last season in track and have 3 front and rear tires ready to go this season. What a fantastic tire !
I've been telling anyone who will listen how awesome the TD tire is. Glad you like it, too.
@@TroySiahaan that tire has so much grip and I can get 3 days out of a rear in a R. As long as one day the track faces the other direction. I can get 5-6 days from a front. I've gone 4 on the rear and it wasn't very confident inspiring. But all out grip this tire is amazing 👌. I would never run it on the street .
This is a nice comment.. you're great Troy.
A nice comment on RUclips? Amazing! haha!
Nice review. Ducati just for the better package.
I’d have to take the Honda fireblade with a Sc Project CR-T full system, I’d daily it,track it, just freaking ride it everywhere! 😂
You can find a used 2017+ Honda 1krr SP for less than the V2, looks just as good, runs way cooler, and has the Honda reliability.
I respect the Ducati, but Honda is a no brainer for me. I just wish I didn't love my 2016 so much or I would have upgraded already (only have room for 1 bike right now).
Not really a fair comparison here, the fireblade goes below sticker in nearly ever dealership across the states. There's a few 2018 leftover models going for under $10,000 right now.
J K the 2020 is a completely different bike though. But I still get your point. Neither are great value really.
@@iamthemobey this 2020 is the same bike as 2017, I think you mean the triple R, which is another fireblade. The double R you can get way cheaper
You're right, these base ones will be the same this time next year, but that wont be the case for the SP.
Ducati looks delicious
I use to work for a Honda dealer and you are right about the sticker price. You can find great deals on older models. That being said the Honda overall is really worth the money. You pay for reliability and not getting killed in the dealership for service so paying 16K for a new model should never be the issue. Hands down the best bike for the price. Ducati is a good bike but that maintenance bill is a killer.
In what class was 959, superbike? In this video i just noticed that fireblade produce the lowest bhp compare to other japanese superbikes
Woaah! That wobble at 4:28 made me nervous! And the way the CBR sounds, quite similar to the RRR Fireblade. Does it really sound like that stock? Or did you guys flash tune it before doing track?
2013 Honda Cbr1000rr, all i did is just regular maintenance, oil change, oil filter, etc
still smooth, and still trying to kill me with the power
i love honda for its reliability, though i still want to own a Ducati but my pocket said no
I think it depends on whether you’re wanting mostly to do track riding or street riding. The gearing and power delivery on the Duc is so much better suited for the street. The Honda is a typical race focused inline 4 that has to be kept on the boil to be fun, which is tiresome on the street. Since most of us realistically ride the street 99% of the time, I’d pick the Duc. Yes the heat is a bit of an issue but having done thousands of miles on a V4 and hundreds on a V2 (in the Texas heat) it’s a very manageable issue. Both great bikes in the end though, so the tyranny of choice.
Fireblade has more torque and was designed to be a superbike for the street.
@@fs3994 Maybe so, but riding the 2 back to back I’ll take the power delivery on the Duc any day. The blade delivers power better than most inline 4’s, but it can’t compete with the low end grunt of the twin in the Duc - no way no how. But as I mentioned both are great bikes and in the end most of us probably pick on the basis of which one we think looks better. 😉 There isn’t a bad choice between these two bikes.
ECU, full header and race air box got me to 191 hp on my 2018 CBR 1000rr
Let's be honest, 99% of buyers never put there bikes on a track let alone ever use more than 50% of a bikes ability due to there lack of ability.... so to simplify this video with out all the HP figures and weight ratios it's pretty much what do you think looks better and what makes you feel better... short answer the Duc looks way way way better and is the peach out of the two bikes.... end of story
I choose neither and get the Aprilia V4 Tuono 1100RR which costs the same.
Nah, I had one and sold it. On paper, the perfect bike, in reality not so great. I have a CBR1000rr also, it's better in every possible way.
@@jcarlson2727 i was actually looking at a tuono lol. Can you elaborate about your experience with it?
Honda everytime. But the RR-R SP for me next (although the RR is a better road bike - slightly more torque down low). Those blade figures are very low even with climate and humidity differences. My 2013 which was dynojetted by elkie in ireland puts out 164bhp at the back tyre. Full system mind you. More power is never a bad thing tbh, its all in the wrist. Just need to spend time with the bike .
Why are the US spec bike so restricted and for what reason? In stock trim the 19 Fireblade dyno 167hp. In fact my totally original 09 Fireblade dyno 158hp.
Because there are certain requirements the EPA mandates all bikes (not just sportbikes) above a certain displacement meet to be sold here. Those requirements include, but are not limited to, both tailpipe AND sound emissions. To answer your second question - For what reason? I have no idea.
If you guys gona talk about $ then you guys already know the cost of maintenance for the Ducati is gona make you broke.
@@AlexanderBaldridge you're on crack. Ain't no way a ducati is cheaper to maintain than a kawasaki....
@@jponz85 Ducati is cheaper to maintain than kawasaki for regular service schedule in the end. I own 2014 zx14 and my friend own panigale 2017 1299. Each service on ducati bikes is every 12k km or 7500 miles which cost 300$ for small service and 900$ for big service each 24k km 15 miles. My zx14 service schedule is every 6k km and 3700miles which cost 200$ for small and 700$ for big service each 12k km or 7500miles. If you ride yearly and put a lot of miles on the bike kawasaki will cost you much more for ownership due to much frequent maintenance schedule.
Absolutely!!
@@jponz85 Gawd some days I wish, amirite guys?!?! Lol! No, unfortunately I am not on the crystalline god finder, I speaketh the truth good man. And though Anton is also correct, the Panigale services only cost $300 and $900 because of the body work. My Monster 797 service was $210 each year or every 5000 miles. Larger capacity Monsters (the new ones, like 2015 and on) are every 10k miles or 15k miles (821 and 1200 respectively) and the annual service cost only goes up to $275, though the Desmo services will run more on the bigger bore bikes ($1000-1250). The Desmo service on my 797 was only $850.
Honestly, with the exception of some models, you'd be hard pressed to find a more dependable bike than a Duc, Hondas not withstanding.
The Duc is awesome when its on the road 🙃
I would like to see all the 1000s top of the line from all maufacureres. With basic mods. Like tunes bolt ons like most people are going to do with their bikes. And then see the bike comparisons. I would love to see that.
Its called world superstock!
I think some results would be surprising. The zx10r with a god tune and exhaust has made around 200 wheel horsepower. The cbr is garbage with power. The GSXR has been amazing after tuned as well.
I've been wanting to do something like this for a long time. It's a logistical nightmare though.
@@TroySiahaan Yea it would be hard to make it happen ... but it would be the best video ever !
Just quick mentioning on the Supercorsa TD(Track Day). I have them on my track bike and they are GRIPPY, just 2 hoops of hot glue, they are also cheaper than SP supercorsa by a margin. BUT! Their rear is single compound, so if you use TD on a street bike and do a bunch of highway, expect very short tread life. *Edit for typo
I used a set of Supercorsa TD tires that already had about 700 miles on them, plus a trackday, and was blown away by how good they still were. I'm a big fan.
@@TroySiahaan Wow thanks for the reply! I read your articles from Sport Rider when I was in high school maybe 10 odd years ago. Definitely a fan of your style. Thanks for the good work all these years!
@@emacemacii Thanks man! That's old school! Now I feel old.
The European cbr1000rr is 189 BHP don't know why the USA version is so restricted. Anyone know why
If I walk into my local dealership. The 2020 V2 is the same price as a 2019 yamaha r1 and ZX10R.
So idk how anyone will justify the v2
Glad you said this.
Because a Ducati is sex
Not everyone lives their life a quarter mile at a time their Toretto.
Rumblestrip.NET 😂
Rumblestrip.NET 😂😂😂😂. Fuckin hilarious!!!
What’s the most comfortable mid size (around 600-700cc) sports bike there is in terms of posture and suspension? Where you can ride around for couple of hours in the weekends and not be too tired.
Gsxr 750
@2:53 It is not just a ecu tuning thing etc. It is totally an engineering...
Do you have any idea why Ducati dropped the 1199 and 1299 Panigales? Would those two bikes be TOO competitive with their new V4? How do those two bikes compare with the new V2? Those seem like obvious questions to be asked.
Strange world when the Italian bike has better electronics than the Japanese bike and the Japanese bike has more torque than the Italian bike. 😆
These bikes dont scream like they used to.
Had a 916 one of the greatest dukes.
Reliability is important on a commuter. On a weekend toy, you can sacrifice reliability for fun and exoticism.
I'm shocked the Honda only made 149hp. I had no idea it was that far below the rest of the liter supersports. Even without a tune the S1000rr is making 190 or more to the wheel
The European one is 189 bhp don't know why the USA version is so restricted
Hi about the new BMW S1000rr base model for $16995 ??
Never . That’s what they say but when u try to bike they will say ohh no no the price is 21
More consistent over many laps? Did not happen to take lap times?........Um, I am guessing that's magazine speak for the Honda was about 5 seconds a lap faster. We are back to the good old days of making excuses for the exotics. I am curious to see what the Honda is really capable of when it is un tethered. Why does Honda have to nuder is bike to meet regulations but BMW does not? I do like both bikes.
5 sec a lap faster? vs what? a scooter? :))
"Nuder" ! I like malapropisms. Next try "Ground(hog)(Wood)Chuck" for Roadkill. GroundChuck is a Woodchuck crossed with a Groundhog. Thus a malapropism. [Learn and Laugh, Grasshopper !]
what bike is he gonna choose for street then? he did not give an example
Interesting vid. Definitely prefer the V2 as it's so much cooler & prettier imo. Also less is more in terms of usability it seems. Speaking of less, I'm shocked that a 2020 Fireblade is "only" putting our 149bhp at the rear wheel. You could get a base GSXR1000 for $15,600 or the R for $17,700, both of which supposedly put out around 180rwbhp. What on earth has Honda done to that ECU? Am I missing something?
US bikes comes very restricted from the factory for some reason. European models does 170-175 at the rear from factory.
Also US model of gsxr1000 does 163HP at the rear.
Ducati, stuk gaat die. Maar wat een prachtig ding om te zien :)
Altijd dezelfde opmerkingen, sorry hoor, maar heb je er een gehad of gereden? Zo nee, dan zou ik dat eerst doen en dan pas wat gaan zeggen, maar dan wel wat origineels ;)
@@muktathesecond8686 niet zo zeur haha Italianen staan niet bekend om degelijke producten. Als dat wel zo was geweest had ik mijn 1000rr daar voor wel ingeruild.
Untapped potential is the key to a Honda. They could make it a great bike but they always stop short.
Level 1 traction control is the highest right?
Great review, thank you. You mentioned that these bikes wouldn't be your first choice for canyon carving. What would you recommend? Cheers and stay safe.
Super naked bikes probably. The ducati is one of the most uncomfortable bikes out there.
I believe Troy has a Suzuki SV650, the perfect road bike. The Aprilia Tuono and the KTM Superduke are like an SV650 on steroids.
@@jponz85 Correct. I personally hate sportbikes on the street.
@@AMomcilo1 I do have a SV650, but it's my racebike. It hasn't been on the street in a long time. The current crop of Super Nakeds like the Tuono, Superduke, MT-10 (even the MT-09 and MT-07) etc. would be my choice for canyon carving.
What suit is that? the red and yellow neon one
Do cbr1000rr-r vs every 1000cc bikes plzz
La Ducati tiene mucha versatilidad 50% calle y 50% circuito, creo que va mejor con el día al día.
149 hp for the honda....SOMEBODY PLEASE FLASH THAT ECU WITH PAUL KINGSBOROUGH!!! get an exhaust an its a top 180hp bike that weights less than anything around. Best bike.
CBR is just as smooth as ice! I love the thought i have such tall gears 😊
hi troy, is your father Batak's..?
we have same "Marga" bro....
horas from the land where siahaan from, north sumatra....
MT. Lemon.
Tucson, AZ.
Correct?
It really sounds like he's on talking on eggshells, not wanting to say anything negative about the Ducati other then the heat. Reliability is most certainly an aspect most potential buyers would consider which wasn't even mentioned. The fact that you can compare the Honda to the Ducati in itself speaks volumes. Then the fact that a huge percentage of buyers for these machines won't even see the track. So while yeah the Ducati as always is work of art, in the looks department the Honda is pretty badness as well. As if there's a little Italian flavor in there. From what I seen the Honda got it
$16,500 that’s really cheap both of these bikes cost $30,000 on-road in my country 🥲
For me weight is everything, and it is quite outrageous that an inline 4 sportbike with fat twinspar frame is lighter than a twin cyl bike where even the frame has two purposes and the swingarm attaches directly to the engine. Ducati in my view point should be the lighter of those two, and I do prefer the ergonomics as it is more friendly for us shorties even though the seat is miles up in the air.
Get narrow and light wheels and your bike will immediately feel lighter.
Bikes are a little bit ‘power down’ in the US market.My 08CBR1000rr needed a Z-Bomb to I do it.