KISS Live In Brooklyn Bridge 1996 Reunion Tour MTV Awards Full Concert

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  • @Dizzy1980
    @Dizzy1980 6 лет назад +111

    This is a performance that really showcases that Kiss were actual musicians, and could actually play. It wasn't all about the face paint. Too bad it couldn't have stayed this way, because all four original members were absolutely on fire on this night.

    • @gettupp
      @gettupp 4 года назад +7

      That night 🔥

    • @MrDeengels
      @MrDeengels 4 года назад +6

      Legendary

    • @jaytek8528
      @jaytek8528 3 года назад +3

      @Professor Queef Of course. Anti KISS...the original HATERS! Dude, even the fans realize these guys are NOT the Beatles, its just FUN. BEER DRUNK, GARAGE SMOKE SESSION with your buddies...FUN. Why all the hate?

    • @david-ss5qu
      @david-ss5qu 3 года назад +2

      They don't wear face paint they wear makeup

    • @Dizzy1980
      @Dizzy1980 3 года назад +2

      @@david-ss5qu Useless distinction.

  • @LinusKnight
    @LinusKnight 5 лет назад +46

    *_REAL Time Stamps:_*
    0:41 - Rock and Roll All Nite
    5:15 - New York Groove
    9:02 - Deuce
    12:45 - Calling Dr. Love
    16:30 - Love Gun

  • @cmccarthy
    @cmccarthy Год назад +13

    This performance was peak KISS. They were never better than this. Sure other lineups had more technical skill, and Gene's voice was better in his youth, but in terms of just the overall KISS experience, this show is the zenith.

    • @chrismarsh438
      @chrismarsh438 Год назад +1

      I agree 💯! This might be my favorite live session. They could've played all night!!!

    • @chrismarsh438
      @chrismarsh438 Год назад +3

      Peter sounds fuckin great! There is no alternative! I don't care if so and so is technically better !!! Peter criss is the only one for kiss!!!

  • @derickdefreest
    @derickdefreest 4 года назад +38

    Awesome Show! Fun Facts/Setlist
    ⬇️
    Where: Brooklyn, NY
    When: September 4th, 1996
    Venue: Fulton Ferry Landing
    Tour: Reunion Tour (1996-1997)
    Rhythm Guitar/Vocals: Paul Stanley
    Bass Guitar/Vocals: Gene Simmons
    Lead Guitar/Vocals: Ace Frehley
    Drums/Percussion/Vocals: Peter Criss
    Setlist, With Correct Times
    ------------------
    1. Rock and Roll All Nite- 0:41
    2. New York Groove- 5:16
    3. Deuce- 9:03
    4. Calling Dr. Love- 12:46
    5. Love Gun- 16:30
    Comment Made: February 1st, 2020
    Members Of KISS
    •••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
    •Paul Stanley, 1973-Present
    •Gene Simmons, 1973-Present
    •Ace Frehley, 1973-1982, 1996-2002
    •Peter Criss, 1973-1979, 1996-2000, 2003
    •Eric Carr, 1980-1991 [R.I.P.]
    •Vinnie Vincent, 1982-1984
    •Mark St. John, 1984 [R.I.P.]
    •Bruce Kulick, 1984-1995
    •Eric Singer, 1992-1995, 2001-2002, 2004-Present
    •Tommy Thayer, 2002-Present

    • @david-ss5qu
      @david-ss5qu 3 года назад +1

      Thank You For This Info

    • @gettupp
      @gettupp 3 года назад +1

      ♥️

  • @andrewlehr123
    @andrewlehr123 9 месяцев назад +2

    0:19 You wanted the best, you got the best, it’s KISS!!

  • @yourroyalhighness7662
    @yourroyalhighness7662 5 лет назад +23

    They were incredible that night. “Deuce” was PERFECT.

  • @kaleb41833
    @kaleb41833 6 лет назад +76

    Awesome, totally awesome. KISS is still my number one band. Kids today just don’t get the full big picture of how big KISS really was. The album cover photos inside and out, the record sleeves, the posters that came with each album, the tattoos and lets not forget the magazines, Wow all of those collectible magazines. Rock on KISS. Oh, and before I forget thanks for the video.

    • @matthewaguilar4249
      @matthewaguilar4249 5 лет назад +3

      kaleb41833 I do and kiss I cried at the forum and I’m 9 kiss is my favorite band

    • @steveguitar3906
      @steveguitar3906 4 года назад +5

      they're not kiss without Ace

    • @mrmike8782
      @mrmike8782 3 года назад +4

      @@steveguitar3906 they're kiss but they're not *the* kiss without ace

    • @pioneer540
      @pioneer540 2 года назад +3

      You said it all. Album covers that opened up and had some artwork... I forgot how great those were 🎸🎉.

    • @georgewatts4892
      @georgewatts4892 10 месяцев назад

      Yes all 4 originals are KISS.

  • @davidpearlactorteacherbizman
    @davidpearlactorteacherbizman 2 года назад +18

    Peter's drums never sounded better--up front ! Love Ace's solo and stage show

    • @Ewok009
      @Ewok009 3 месяца назад

      Meh, Peter's bass drum sounds clicky and like the mallet is hitting a slab of meat, can barely hear the crash cymbals. He should've kept using pearl kits at least.

  • @Liverpool3101
    @Liverpool3101 6 лет назад +69

    Ace was on point this night nothing was stopping him

    • @T2Tiberious
      @T2Tiberious 5 лет назад +6

      Its really NOT Kiss without Ace Frehley. What I wouldn't give if Gene wasn't such an ass and would have done the farewell tour with Ace.

    • @darealgodzilla
      @darealgodzilla 5 лет назад +7

      he was for the entire reunion tour but then kiss was done and first ace left and peter got fired. Im a big Kiss fan but Kiss was done after the last original member except Gene and Paul left

    • @hitdog042
      @hitdog042 5 лет назад +1

      T2Tiberious this is pathetic you blame this on Gene. First of all, Stanley is in charge of all things Kiss. So there’s your first inaccuracy.
      And Ace will be on this tour at some point. Likely the final few shows.
      Be patient.

    • @hitdog042
      @hitdog042 5 лет назад +1

      peryk2 Peter wasn’t fired. His contract wasn’t renewed. Ace came back and did some shows with Eric Singer before he departed. He just didn’t want to do the Australia show due to a contract issue.
      It’s a great trivia question. Kiss in makeup did in fact have Criss with Thayer and Ace with Singer.
      And don’t get me started on psycho circus which was mostly Thayer and Kulick on lead guitar. Just like the old days when Ace and Peter never showed up to record. History repeated itself and that’s why they are gone.
      Funny how ppl say shit about Singer and Thayer but when money came into play Ace and Peter had no problem playing with those guys. And Ace had no issue of Thayer and Kulick playing lead on psycho circus.
      And expect Ace to play with Singer again at the end of the this tour because Peter likely isn’t in any shape to do any shows at all.

    • @derf2580
      @derf2580 4 года назад +5

      hitdog042 Ace didn’t play on Psycho Circus because they didn’t allow him to, not because he didn’t show up o didn’t want to. They paid him to let Tommy and Bruce play on the record

  • @davidpearlactorteacherbizman
    @davidpearlactorteacherbizman 3 года назад +7

    Ace and Peter are the stars here !

  • @fixxxer3456
    @fixxxer3456 5 лет назад +14

    Peter always loves playing New York Groove, I love seeing him smile through the song

  • @andy8862
    @andy8862 2 года назад +4

    Saw them when I was 14 here in the UK. It was the late 70's and they kicked ass

  • @Aviationuk777
    @Aviationuk777 5 лет назад +23

    Although they only played 5 songs kiss still managed to make the best show

  • @xaviarchase57
    @xaviarchase57 4 года назад +13

    Peter looks so happy during New York groove

    • @mrmike8782
      @mrmike8782 3 года назад +2

      He was really *grooving* to that song

  • @dashcan8479
    @dashcan8479 6 лет назад +18

    Still the best KISS performance of thousands. That and LA Halloween

  • @graemespringer4643
    @graemespringer4643 6 лет назад +32

    They were absolutely stupendous this performance!! A1!!

  • @misterdetail
    @misterdetail 6 лет назад +41

    Great video and performance! I never saw Peter play this well on other reunion videos.

    • @3897-s4u
      @3897-s4u 6 лет назад +1

      Victor Martinez awesome

    • @graemespringer4643
      @graemespringer4643 6 лет назад +2

      Victor Martinez Your right!! This is one of my favorite performances with the exception of "winterland" ( because of the mystique being b/w ) and "In concert"!!

    • @gettupp
      @gettupp 4 года назад +2

      🎯

    • @usaf93
      @usaf93 Год назад

      Because it was Eric Singer

  • @mephistopheles1949
    @mephistopheles1949 5 лет назад +13

    Last concert in New York 2021. I hope they would make it special with Ace and Peter joining for the last time!

  • @justablokewithamitsubishi6037
    @justablokewithamitsubishi6037 Год назад +1

    This was the peak of kiss
    Everyone was dialed in that night
    I wish I was there to see it 🎉🎉

  • @sonnic1995
    @sonnic1995 5 лет назад +38

    I love how pissed Gene is when Ace started to play Dr Love haha. (12:47 "asshole").
    They were supposed to only play Rock n Roll All Nite to close the MTV awards but decided to give a small show for the crowd, Gene sounds a little bit ill, he probably had a cold... notice how at the end they're basically leaving and then "choosing" at the spot to go with NY Groove, nothing planned.

    • @mattyc.9332
      @mattyc.9332 3 года назад

      It fits the song, that growly tone.....

    • @gettupp
      @gettupp 3 года назад

      Haha... And so 🙃

    • @gettupp
      @gettupp 3 года назад

      It's called mastery

  • @TheRealDustinNunn
    @TheRealDustinNunn Год назад +2

    Kiss is one of my favorite rock bands.

  • @statman99
    @statman99 6 лет назад +36

    Rock and Roll All Nite 0:25
    New York Groove 5:16
    Deuce 8:45
    Calling Dr. Love 12:10
    Love Gun 15:40

    • @graemespringer4643
      @graemespringer4643 6 лет назад +2

      statman99 ty

    • @derickdefreest
      @derickdefreest 4 года назад

      Not even anywhere near correct and Dr. Love @ 12:10? They’re not even done with “Deuce”

    • @derickdefreest
      @derickdefreest 4 года назад

      statman99 I’m gonna put the correct times up cause u clearly cant

    • @derickdefreest
      @derickdefreest 4 года назад

      statman99 the only correct one is “New York Groove”

    • @stkooshie
      @stkooshie 4 года назад

      Derick Defreest stfu

  • @Harvin87
    @Harvin87 2 года назад +4

    The back-vocals on LoveGun always give me goosebumps

  • @papadoulisvaggelis1199
    @papadoulisvaggelis1199 2 года назад +5

    Peter Criss what a drummer

  • @MrDeengels
    @MrDeengels 3 года назад +5

    What kid doesn’t want to be a kick ass lead guitarist from outer space!!!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @justinbracken8610
    @justinbracken8610 4 года назад +4

    One of the only times I've seen Peter have fun while playing since the reunion

  • @richardjordan6718
    @richardjordan6718 11 месяцев назад

    So glad, in Brooklyn,they played that song.Homage , to their roots!

  • @michaelcoleman6026
    @michaelcoleman6026 2 года назад +2

    Great show , glad i got to see it a memory i will never forget.

  • @NoNotMe0000
    @NoNotMe0000 Год назад +2

    Incredible performance!
    The band was firing🔥 on all four cylinders! Impressive to say the least.

  • @bbodinefan11
    @bbodinefan11 2 года назад +2

    Saw it on TV live. Made my day.

  • @sammysosascorkedbat8973
    @sammysosascorkedbat8973 2 года назад +3

    Ace's solo on Love Gun is AMAZING

  • @michaelcoleman6026
    @michaelcoleman6026 5 лет назад +7

    KISS! Simply the best! Enough said.

  • @sammysosascorkedbat8973
    @sammysosascorkedbat8973 2 года назад +3

    The whole band was on 🔥 this show....Ace was top notch here. It's a shame G&Ps greed ruined the reunion.

  • @naitgutierrez6946
    @naitgutierrez6946 Год назад +2

    This should be the goodbye!!!! on the top!!! and the world would say WHY they don`t play anymore???? but i love Kiss forever. but the way the snare sound is amazing, it is like a machine gun. Great Peter Criss

  • @guitardan36
    @guitardan36 2 года назад +1

    Man, they were locked in that night. And Ace was awesome.

  • @canadiantraveller281
    @canadiantraveller281 6 лет назад +2

    2 days after all of Vancouver Island came over for Kiss in Vancouver... opening band Stabbing Westward lasted 1 song and were drowned out with " WE WANT KISS " EPIC SHOW EPIC CROWD :)

  • @BlackAria1974
    @BlackAria1974 Год назад +2

    New York Groove was insanely good.

  • @TommyGun1979
    @TommyGun1979 3 года назад +3

    THIS is KISS! Nothing else is...

  • @dashcan8479
    @dashcan8479 5 лет назад +4

    KIss in full flight. The KISS secret. One time they said you think we are playing for you...actually we just play for ourselves

  • @RockwearbyEddie
    @RockwearbyEddie 4 года назад +2

    My every year song to bring in the New Year!! The REAL KISS!! #TeamAceAndPeter

  • @anton4dance
    @anton4dance 4 года назад +5

    best performance ever of the reunited 4

  • @murphy-gl7db
    @murphy-gl7db 6 месяцев назад

    The Best Kiss 1996-2000😊

  • @larsnilsson8949
    @larsnilsson8949 4 года назад +2

    They really made a memorable tour 1996-1997, saw them two shows in Stockholm Sweden, great!

    • @MrDeengels
      @MrDeengels 3 года назад

      I saw them the summer in 96 in Pittsburgh the same year I graduated high school!!!! 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

    • @martinpatrick9915
      @martinpatrick9915 Год назад

      Saw ace and Peter on their Bad Boys of Kiss club tour....man both had their own bands and played some great stuff,and we all knew the classic Kiss songs so when the two got together, the magic was back,and we fans knew it...bring on the reunion tour and we fans were gassed to see the four original members back together on stage in full makeup and just kicking ass and making the fans happy.

  • @drumlover1687
    @drumlover1687 6 лет назад +13

    The only Kiss that matters!

  • @TheSamsdad25
    @TheSamsdad25 4 года назад +3

    Best Live band ever. Way ahead of their time

  • @3897-s4u
    @3897-s4u 6 лет назад +5

    Solid. Tight. All 4 kicking A and taking names !

  • @lucasnieri4318
    @lucasnieri4318 5 лет назад +4

    This is KISS. Pure ROCK'N'ROLL with Paul, Ace, Gene & Peter. NO ONE ELSE, PERIOD.

  • @edjackowski9856
    @edjackowski9856 6 лет назад +6

    Awesome times 1000

  • @davidpearlactorteacherbizman
    @davidpearlactorteacherbizman Год назад +1

    Ace's guitar work and Gene's singing and theatrics on Deuce

  • @zipizipi29
    @zipizipi29 3 года назад +4

    Éste es para mi EL MEJOR show de todos los tiempos!!!!!

  • @deborahestes2868
    @deborahestes2868 3 года назад +2

    KISS...when they were kicking ass and taking names!

  • @msoi215
    @msoi215 5 лет назад +4

    Here's the thing, KISS didn't need MTV. It was MTV that needed KISS.

  • @darylabrams2
    @darylabrams2 6 лет назад +6

    Maybe it's just me, but after seeing KISS, Iron Maiden, AC/DC, Rush and Pink Floyd. I could go on, but I feel like bands today just can't compare and aren't as talented. These bands were entertaining. Today bands seem like they repeat a phrase way too much. But it's hard to compare to KISS. This is a band that I believe truly appreciates their fans.

    • @theringthecageandthestage5119
      @theringthecageandthestage5119 5 лет назад +1

      I found out today that at every show Paul Stanley will take this one guitar and play it for a song or half a song and you can purchase it for eighteen thousand dollars and an extra three thousand for the strap at a total of twenty one thousand dollars. This is not a joke. I was listening to an Eddie Trunk podcast

    • @darylabrams2
      @darylabrams2 5 лет назад +1

      @@theringthecageandthestage5119 Don't believe it just cause Eddie said it. He has been bashing Kiss since Thayer and singer started wearing the makeup. Does Kiss charge a lot for merchandise and such. Yes, no doubt. They are one of the most iconic bands around with fans all over the world. When you consider the millions people pay for memorabilia, 21k is actually cheap. Think about how much that guitar will be worth possibly in the future. I've seen kiss members give their time and merchandise to kids, cancer victims and others. Gene Simmons flew to a child with cancer with tons of stuff and spent the day with him. He did that in the middle of a tour. Then flew back to perform that night.

    • @T2Tiberious
      @T2Tiberious 5 лет назад +1

      There are bands today????

    • @darylabrams2
      @darylabrams2 5 лет назад +1

      @@T2Tiberious I guess there are some but I don't think they will be around in 20 years. They don't have longevity like older groups

    • @T2Tiberious
      @T2Tiberious 5 лет назад

      @@darylabrams2 I was being kind of facetious....; )

  • @courtingkarma1255
    @courtingkarma1255 3 года назад +2

    Saw this live the pyrotechnics where so loud set off car alarms off across the river I was 14 I probably shouldn't have even been in the city.

  • @michaelcoleman6026
    @michaelcoleman6026 5 лет назад +2

    Kiss nation rules the World!

  • @mauri97lml
    @mauri97lml 6 лет назад +17

    Killer version of Love gun, Peter Criss was great with Ace

  • @davidpearlactorteacherbizman
    @davidpearlactorteacherbizman Год назад +4

    Peter on fire during New York Groove

  • @nocotton
    @nocotton 2 года назад +2

    Ace rules!!

  • @mlee65
    @mlee65 6 лет назад +5

    Saw them at MSG in 1996😀

  • @arturoespinoza5679
    @arturoespinoza5679 4 года назад +2

    I love deuce

  • @yassermonsalve
    @yassermonsalve 4 года назад +1

    Cómo me encantó este tema tocado en el MTV música awars del 97 lo máximo Kiss!!! Gracias por subirla!!!

  • @pattondiorama7136
    @pattondiorama7136 3 года назад +2

    Gene's voice sounds so fucking awesome! He sang 3 out of 5.

    • @KingCobra3849
      @KingCobra3849 Год назад

      That night he was dealing with laryngitis and so he sounded somewhat hoarse, but it fit his gruff sounding vocals anyway.

  • @canal69bwdigitalstudios63
    @canal69bwdigitalstudios63 3 года назад

    All Originals Kiss the hottest band in all the World ! Saludos desde Monterrey Mexico !

  • @shaneleehallex4429
    @shaneleehallex4429 5 лет назад +1

    Watch ing and enjoying piece of mine

  • @hunterwheeler6633
    @hunterwheeler6633 3 года назад +1

    Man that’s a Fucken KISS CONCERT!!!! 🤘😝🤘 Also Peter looks like he’s having fun and a good time 😂

  • @fluxerflixer1
    @fluxerflixer1 2 года назад +1

    The original KISS, is the only KISS. No Peter, No Ace =No KISS

  • @jimbowers5402
    @jimbowers5402 Год назад +1

    THAT's KISS.

  • @studio-flash
    @studio-flash 5 лет назад +2

    Killer solo on Dr.Love..Pitt the camera man didn't get it all.

  • @WarriorMigs24
    @WarriorMigs24 5 лет назад +2

    Great music

  • @johnnymarlin819
    @johnnymarlin819 4 года назад +1

    Who needs the Dictator Paul Character , when KISS can play this great !

  • @yassermonsalve
    @yassermonsalve 4 года назад +1

    Rock and roll all nite!!!!!

  • @BBB369J
    @BBB369J 4 года назад

    Even better story... Jack come to Brooklyn NY. Flatbush to be exact in June 1996

  • @gettupp
    @gettupp 3 года назад

    Three Gene song One Paul song and Ace song that's why they call me Doctor 💕

  • @gettupp
    @gettupp 3 года назад +1

    That's right

  • @edmhopbyamericanog-2092
    @edmhopbyamericanog-2092 3 года назад +1

    Not bad
    Kind of sick in 96 killing it

  • @freepressright
    @freepressright Год назад +3

    I'm very realistic about the damage, both residual and acute, of alcoholism and drug abuse. But Gene's allegations that Peter couldn't play drums anymore around the time of this reunion tour seem to be unfounded. Peter was on fire here. His meter was as close to the best it ever had been, and there was no in-ear monitors with click tracks back then.
    I understand the demands of full shows might have weighed on him over time, given his older age, but he could clearly play.

  • @studio-flash
    @studio-flash 5 лет назад +1

    Is there a bigger head banging song than..Deuce? What a song....

  • @JohnRocker340
    @JohnRocker340 3 года назад +2

    Bands today suck, this is what rock and roll is suppose to be!

  • @keithleeuwen877
    @keithleeuwen877 3 года назад

    Rock On !

  • @Armed_Heist
    @Armed_Heist Год назад

    Я поставил 1 тысячный лайк 😮

  • @buzzmorgan4351
    @buzzmorgan4351 6 лет назад +1

    PHENOMINAL! :D (Y)

  • @ardavansarraf2973
    @ardavansarraf2973 Год назад +1

    Gene saying “assholes” when Ace launches into
    Dr Love. Genes voice is obviously hurting, I’m sure he didn’t want to sing this one too.

    • @clipcoug1139
      @clipcoug1139 7 месяцев назад

      I heard Gene was ill and was having issues with his singing during the Brooklyn Bridge show and was probably expecting a break from lead signing after they played "Duece". Then that was ruined and it looks like his mouth was saying "f--- you" at Ace when he started playing Calling Dr. Love.

  • @axelfoley1406
    @axelfoley1406 Год назад

    Make rock music great again.

  • @jackparnell2843
    @jackparnell2843 3 года назад

    They would have been great on their own planet

  • @christianbenvenuto9165
    @christianbenvenuto9165 3 года назад +1

    Wow Gene was pissed Ace started playing Dr Love......calls him an a hole....LOL

  • @exoes2007
    @exoes2007 5 лет назад +1

    I can remember since when Stanley started wearing a wig... early 80s’?

    • @cfa181
      @cfa181 5 лет назад +3

      Started in 1990, with the Hot In The Shade tour. Some hair extensions in 1988/1989.

  • @Pun2404
    @Pun2404 5 лет назад +3

    I though t this is where Paul got mad at Peter for playing something poorly during Rock N Roll All Nite but I can't spot the error, any one know what he's talking about or is he just being crazy finger pointing Paul?

    • @linush99
      @linush99 5 лет назад +1

      Pun2404 it could’ve been at the Irvine show?

    • @hitdog042
      @hitdog042 5 лет назад

      Linus Hogbring or any other show. Watch the DVDs. Criss fucked up nearly every single one of them.
      He wasn’t a great drummer no matter what fans think. He keeps the beat does nothing special. Perfect for a jazz room.

    • @maxotaurus5140
      @maxotaurus5140 Год назад

      ​@@hitdog042
      10:10
      Humm

  • @gettupp
    @gettupp 2 года назад

    What band do you know that was a together 20 plus years the sound just f****** badass live so super tight the best kiss

  • @vinnierusso1971
    @vinnierusso1971 3 года назад +1

    Ace Is God

  • @kennethhill93
    @kennethhill93 Год назад

    You wanted the best you got the best well here they are. KISS 😅

  • @BBB369J
    @BBB369J 4 года назад

    Jack come to America in 1996 from Israel Jack's parents were super lame so he didn't get to go to this concert. Jack LOVES KISSSSSSSSSSSSS

  • @benwillard2673
    @benwillard2673 Год назад

    At 12:47 it looks like Gene says "wrong song"

  • @BBB369J
    @BBB369J 4 года назад

    Jack want to make Kiss 2.0 with Supreme Leader Gene Simmons approval and guidance

  • @mayelgonzalez8890
    @mayelgonzalez8890 5 лет назад +1

    What is the name of the second song?

  • @BBB369J
    @BBB369J 4 года назад

    Jack look up to Gene. If Jack was in school and teacher as question who is hero Jack would answer Gene of course

  • @jerryreed3720
    @jerryreed3720 2 года назад +1

    they were nothing without criss and frehly

  • @BBB369J
    @BBB369J 4 года назад

    Why this bullshit ass youtube deleting Jack's comments?

  • @alejandrovegaesquivel709
    @alejandrovegaesquivel709 3 года назад

    Where is the god of thunder song? where Ace frelhey said THE GOD OF THUNDER GENE....

  • @alexanderhenry9726
    @alexanderhenry9726 5 лет назад +2

    People trying to sleep 😂😂

  • @mhitson7483
    @mhitson7483 5 лет назад

    Should’ve walked after this