Cliff Burton's tone progress
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2023
- First stop, I apologize for the dull visuals, but, since I've not been satisfied with the sound quality in the previous videos due to my limited recording it was either or, so I have decided to go with just an audio clip this time. I had to place my phone on the floor near the amp to capture approximately the closest sound to what I hear in real life and the result was a video of my sock pressing the stomps, so I figured a nice clean picture of my rig will be more entertaining lol
Idea was to try and capture the latest rendition of both my 'rhythm' and 'lead' sounds so i played a few bits of Orion interlude and For Whom The Bell Tolls just to show how the fundamental light overdriven rhythm sound is boosted into more saturation and atmosphere(using delay) as Cliff himself did and then I play a bit of 1986 inspired solo
Gear used is seen in the picture:
-Epiphone Embassy PRO bass; strung with a fresh set of Elixir Nanoweb strings
-Boss CS3 - Compressor/Sustainer
-Morley PBAII - Bass Wah
-Ibanez TS9B - Bass Tube Overdrive
-Artec SE-ADL - Analog Delay
-Ampeg Micro VR 200w amplifier head
-Ampeg SVT 210AV cabinet
-all the pedals powered via MXR Mini ISO Brick
Recorded with a Samsung phone with no editing other than slapping a picture on it.
Hope You enjoy!
Rest in peace Master Burton, the legacy lives on \m/ 
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Disclaimer: I've felt a need to once more repeat that i've stopped responding to 'signal chain pls' or 'settings pls' since its been discussed not only in this comment section, but on a few other videos as well, ive been helpful as much as i could, even befriended some of the folks here and had wide length conversations via facebook concerning this sound and cliff in general...furthermore i have written a huge description of my gear used here, plus YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE IT in the photo provided here...please people, dont rush, dont conform to the "instant generation" and take only a couple minutes to actually watch the video read the possible description and a quick scroll down the comments(on any video not just mine) before you jump head first into 'signal chain pls' ...i am sure i can talk in the name of many youtubers like myself(or far greater ones) who spent YEARS reasearching some tone, listening to videos, looking at pictures, talking to the people who might know better and experimenting with gear with numbers of trial and error...so if its that hard to do a quick look, or simply watching video start to finish, then dont bother trying at all...
The same goes for settings(on the pedals, amps or whatever)...thoss are HIGHLY INDIVIDUAL and will drastically differ depending on the gear you use...unless you have EXACT bass, amp and pedals set like i do..settings wont be of much use as it WILL sound DIFFERENT...and i am not exaggerating here...just yesterday i have plugged all this gear directly into a different amp(my old orange 35b combo which my father uses for guitar nowdays) and it sounded completely different...also whenever i change a pedal in chain i have to rearrange all the other pedals settings...not to mention that i had to change my initial settings after switching over from a precision bass to this new embassy pro...every single piece of gear and finally you as a player(how hard you hit the strings, also how fresh your strings are) will make an impact and settings would have to be corrected...
All that being said, i will ALWAYS respond to more specific questions about the gear and how to use it and 'what does what' and 'why this and not that'...but i believe, regarding my signal chain here, it is written more times than i used it so yeah, cheers!
Or if you really have no clue, you can list the gear you use and i will try to point you in the right direction of getting a simmilar sound..
Hope You understand!
And one of the reasons for this is....in the past a few times happened that i have taken pictures of every single piece of my gear with explanation and sending it to people who in turn, didnt get the same sound using my settings...and were so ungrateful and bitchy...to the point where some even called me an 'imposter' and yet had the guts to ask me a question AGAIN couple of months later...before i blocked them...so go figure...and i am sure most people, in this and other comment sections of this channel, can assure you i am helpful 90 percent of times...and give even more info than i am asked to
Hey man! Been a long time. It's so spot on it freaks me out. Except maybe you have less beaten up strings than Cliff XD \m/
Mate! Good to see you! I've tried to reach you on facebook messenger but could not...i hope everything is fine at your place! Thanks a bunch for the comments! And yeah these are brand new lol
Andriy my man, I've got my hands on Aria bass!!! Check out when you find the time :D \m/
It's been 5 years since my "most famous" video and i think you can hear the progress very well...however it has been almost 10 years since i first tried to put some big muff clone on my old precision knockoff in order to attempt on the great Burton's sound and playing...it has been quite a journey...listening to numbers of bootlegs, watching those rare few videos and pictures in hope i could catch a glimpse of his rig, buying selling and doing all over again for countless times experimenting with various music equipment...and in the process having fun uncovering the veil of mystery behind Cliff and his sound...and learning more about him, listening more patiently to the note choices both in solos and songs alike, talking to people who knew him and hearing stories...only made him grow even more in my eyes...this is the closest i've ever been to what i was looking to achieve and i am very happy to see you guys all around the globe still as excited as i am about it...so only thing i can say is THANKS for all the compliments and kind words and im glad You've all been around with me on this musical adventure, made a lot of great friends all around the world and its a pleasure to know and talk to about music...special thanks to Alon Gani, one of the first youtubers who tried to tackle Cliff's tone whom i'm friends with to this day and has always been supportive and to Andriy Vasylenko with whom i worked briefly on a Total Cliff book for unofficially labeling me the "Keeper of Cliff's tone" its the title i can only be proud to be given and i hope i didnt disappoint, especially since i dont consider myself a youtuber...just an afficionado who is happy to share from time to time what i've come up with...cheers from Croatia, lets keep on rockin' \m/
You rock!!!!!
@@guitarjr thanks man! \m/
Thanks for all the content along the way! Do you plan on continuing making videos?
@@YourLocalLeadBassist you got it....well most likely...whenever i find the time and wanna share something i will put it up every now and then
@@marijanbarac1216 Great to hear, thanks for everything and for whats coming!
Phenomenal as always man. Always were one of the first tone recreators I learned from. Great to see you still got it! Look forward to more!
That is great to hear! Thanks man, glad you think so!
Sounds amazing, as always. Great job Marijan!!!
Thank You! This is the happiest i've been with a tone...think i nailed it pretty much this time
Man this is amazing, just beautiful! I loved it, especially in Cliff's final solo part, it's really motivating how despite the time you continue to improve and improve your sound on this endless musical journey, simply brilliant, my favorite video of yours to date.
Thanks a big bunch man!!! Its my fav as well really happy i finally captured the feel and the tone...enjoyed playing it too
And yeah...music is a journey..thats what i love about it...i actually play so much different stuff...but cliffs tone allows for playing cello/upright bass bow lines and classical music and simply express yourself...he will always be a major inspiration...
Amazing set up, amazing sound and amazing bassist! This sounds so good dude!
Thank You very much...stay tuned...there will be more and better content ;) (i might have obtained a new bass ;) shhh)
Perfect! Sounds exactly like Cliff. And great playing as always.
Thank You mate! Im happy with how it turned out :)
Back at it with another banger, sounds awesome!
I am finally happy with how it turned out despite having to sacrifice actual 'filming'
i discovered this video today and i´ve already watched this a million times
amazing job man!
Haha thank You man! Check out the 'Aria teaser' for 1986 tone nailed...and i've got two more videos playing with Aria(Battery cover and Leper Messiah preview)
Amazing!! I’m glad you included Cliff’s basslines too and not just the solos, both are amazing!
I kinda avoided his rhythm lines because i didnt like the tone i was getting...now i got an Aria bass and it made all the difference in the world for me so there will be a plenty when i find more time to record :D
@@marijanbarac1216 that’s cool man, I can understand that, the Aria tone is so mighty and bulky, regardless man your videos are so cool and fun to watch!
@@george_2172 yeah...for example...my ibanez ts9b sounded just like drive from master album...but i lacked that clangy punch and clarity...aria brought that and i am way too happy...thank You for kind words sir...its a fun to share and talk further regarding all of that :) glad people can appreciate it in todays digital world and a lot of hating overall...my threads managed to remain 99 percent positive and i am really proud of that
@@marijanbarac1216 that’s really good man! I’m glad to hear that your page runs well! Also about that Aria’s punchy sound, I think it’s great and I love punchy sounding basses
I N C R E D I B L E . Congratulations mate, please will be a dream if you can do more videos like this one. Thank you for making my day.
Thank You so much...made my day as well...please take a look at the older videos on my channel you might find more you like ;) this is the happiest i've been with the sound but there are a few other fine videos up there, till next time!
Amazing tone & great playing! Keep up the great work!
Thanks michael jackson! Lol :D
@@marijanbarac1216lol no problem
Nice video man, I think all the time you spent working on getting cliffs tone has payed off. All of it is spot on and sounds just like Cliff. Nice job.
Thanks a lot! Good to see you around again...it did pay off and it was interesting to search for it...i mean...most of info today is commonly available but it was quite a mystery back when i started...this chain was based on a few pics from 1984 where his whole rig was seen....he played through a big ampeg svt with matching cabs and using his modded rick(with humbuckers) and then these four pedals(in his case cs2, tel ray pwb, ts9 and washbur a-ad9)...i went with what i had available/affordable and the pedals are todays equivalents :)
@@marijanbarac1216have you ever thought about using one of the Ibanez HD1500 rack mounts? I know Cliff used it sometimes to get some crazy sounds, and I was wondering if you thought of maybe using one.
Yet again! he grced us with another one!!! Svaka čast kralju!!! THE REAL KEEPER OF CLIFF S TONE!!!
Thank You very much!! Flattered! Doing the best i can without all the modern day gadgets, re-recordings, plug-ins, digital processors etc...
Spot on man! this setup sounds perfect.
Best one yet :) i probably wont change much anymore...i can get away with some other tones as well for example if i add pitch shifter and put delay in front of tube screamer for 84 live vibe or without delay and less bridge pickup for metro 83 etc...but this is my fav tone so far
Dude this kicks ass! Sound better than the last one some how.
Btw I saw the thing where you talk about the bass wah distorting the signal even when it’s off, same thing happens to me when the level is that high (although mine is the PBA2 from the 90s)
Thanks mate! Difference from the last one is the Embassy PRO vs Precision Bass and the recording(like i wrote in the description, i had to sacrifice video in order to capture the tone)....yeah thats why i lowered it to 3 o clock as opposed to max out...and i bring in the lack of gain via boss cs3 ;)
Ponosan sam što je najprecizniji zvuk i najbolje odsvirane i dočarane dionice nikad prežaljenog Cliffa dolaze iz Hrvatske, svaka čast na predanosti i trudu. Respect!
Prekrasan komentar...hvala Vam puno.. :D bacite oko na iduci video bit ce jos boljih tonova od ovog ;) stigla Aria \m/
@@marijanbarac1216 Nema na ćemu, hvala tebi što oplemenjuješ Cliffovo nasljeđe na najbolji način. Mislim da sam pogledao sva tvoja ''Burton'' videa i od samog se početka vidi veliki osječaj i uho za Cliffove posebnosti i detalje. Cliff mi je omiljeni basist i nikad nisam vidio/ćuo nekog da ga je tako indetično skinuo ali sa Cliffovim osjećajem dok nisam naletio na tvoja videa. Nastavljam pratit tvoj rad, metal up your ass! \m/
@@H.C.984 hvala jos jednom, ovakvi komentari mi daju do znanja da nesto ipak dobro radim :D poprave dan ;)
That little Ampeg puts out some killer tone!
I have an Acoustic 260 MKII right now, but may have to look into that little SVT.
And shot out to Samsung for making some microphones that will capture that as well as it did.
It really does...check out what it does with Aria bass in my follow up video...and yeah samsung did a good job here but i had to place it close to the amp without cranking it...and i couldnt film myself playing at the same time...but yeah
same tone as cliff and thats the most important thing when covering his stuff, amazing
Thank you! If you check out my newest video...teaser...you can tell there will be better and more videos...Aria Pro II bass arrived just a few days ago and the tone is spot on 1986 :) MASTER MASTER \m/
Thank you Mate, I enjoy covers similar to this \m/
Thank You! Glad you enjoyed...i am finally happy with how the sound was captured :)
@@marijanbarac1216:)))
Holy shit this is amazeballs.
Thank You!!! I've also got Aria bass as of recently and i've put a few clips up so check them out too...lead tone is very simmilar but rhythm tone is way improved...1986 tone nailed \m/ (took me 10 years lol but im happy now)
@@marijanbarac1216 So glad for you! Yeah I remember, you had the maple fretboard Precision and the Aria is quite the upgrade. Plus great to hear your tone has improved!
@@Cthulhu_Awakenthanks man...yeah now i set all three basses up differently so they can excell in what they are the best in...
spot on
Thanks!
Dang this is so good! One thing I figured out that not many tone chasers did was in For whom the bell tolls, right after the tabs 19-18-17-16 you do a pull off on the g string while also strumming both the g and d string and as you’re doing so, you press the wah down and then back to the original position you had it playing the first four notes to create that sliding scream Cliff does when he plays it
Thats cool info! I will try it out...thanks man! Glad you like it!
@@marijanbarac1216np! Just curious for the part in 2:59, did you do pull offs of the second and third fret of the g string? That’s the best way I figured out how to play that so far
@@THESONICSPEEDDEMONim not sure i'd have to check out lol i think it was higher up the neck
@@THESONICSPEEDDEMON i played it on a d string...maybe i overcomplicated it tho could be a g string with an open d accents
@@marijanbarac1216 oh. Was the drive before wah all from the compressor? Idk how I can get that without some kind of gain
And is it ok to mix a head with a different brand cabinet as long as they’re the same wattage?
2:40 probably the most accurate thing i have ever seen on my life. Great job cool man
Thank You very much!!! Did best i could! Lead tone sounds pretty much the same with Aria bass i have gotten recently, but rhythm tone is 100% nailed now as well :D you can check out a little Aria preview and fresh Battery cover if you want! Once more thanks for kind words
Very nice
Thanks!
you should be on stage my friend. i think people need to see you perform. take care \m/
Thanks mate i appreciate it a lot!!
the thing about cliff is that his last year with metallica he was using a kind of guitar amp and you will never get those tube amp volumes in your house. but really nice tone marijan it is nice to see what it has become after 5 years of pursuing this cheers
Thats absolutely right...i think this is as close as it gets considering his stadium gear vs my house setup...rig is inspired by his 1984/5 setup ;)
As for the title i meant 'my final form' ;)
It's a subtle thing, the MESA D180 he used IMO sounds way worse than the Ampeg + Ts9 combo. I think the secret sauce is the wah pedal for sure. I get a pretty good Cliff tone with the morley PBA-2 bass wah (The one Rex Brown uses). Plus a darkglass B3k. (Phase 90 for orion solo although not that important).
@@Farewelltokingz he used ampeg+ts9 in 84 a lot...but people dont seem to 'connect' ampeg with cliff but he did use it a lot...same with ts9...pedal was the longest on his board along the morley wah but people keep talking about big muff which he stopped using way back....as for your wah...its the same wah i've got here...my has two voice modes and the mode i use for this is the same as in the older blue pedal you have(and rex) :) i think its way better than any other current morley product(including tribute pwf which i also had)
Any plans to buy a 4 string Ibanez SR bass or Aria pro 2 SB and connect to this signal chain in the future?
Aria is very expensive and somewhat hard to obtain...as for ibanez...well i can kinda get those tones with this Embassy pro bass too...aria cliff used is specific because of that single pickup that is in the middle..on the other hand...aria with two pickups and ibanez and alembic are all in the same tone park...i would love to own sb1000 tho not just because of cliff but because its another great sounding and very playable bass...but we'll see :) one by one
Heyy brotherr!!!! Soundss Kick Ass man!!! What kinda pedals are you using!???!! About to go buy the same ones for my bass!🤣
Fantastic Job By the way!!! Sounds killer!💪🏻🤘🏻🙏🏻
Thanks man, i appreciate it...well you can see all the gear in the picture and the description...but there is a far easier way to achieve simmilar tone...i had to go through all these things because i layer the tone from clean through light overdrive to a full on distortion whilst keeping the dynamic aspect...and i also use those pedals for number of different stuff...if you just want a solo tone any distortion and a good wah will do...some reverb or delay in case you want a spacious arena feel to it
What does the funk wah switch do and how does it sound compared to the fuzz wah sound? (Without the fuzz and only the wah)
I use funk mode for cliff...it sounds like the 90s blue pro series II bass wah(pba) like rex brown from pantera uses...its entirely different...fuzz wah is simmilar to 'normal mode' on PBAII but has less bottom and has more treble on top...funk mode is much different...you can hear the demo of the bass wah on youtube...there was quite cool simple demo...thumbnail shows guy in adidas shoes with wah close up i think...sweep curve of the funk wah has less treble than both normal mode and pwf but has a much more exaggerated mids and the sweep curve is more dramatic
@@marijanbarac1216 ruclips.net/video/3Ymuo2l3cVY/видео.htmlsi=Chiz0gThLehsdowW you gotta listen to this! I edited my recent tone vid to sound like it was live
What is it that the compressor sustainer actually does for the bass tone? Currently have a BOSS bass limiter enhancer.
Well in my case its a three way thing and i only use it for the lead tone...i use it as a gain boost(along with my wah pushing my overdrive into more saturation for solos), treble enhancer(so i get a bit more bite and top end for leads compared to my rhythm) and a sustainer(prolonging my notes)...and these three things seem to help the wah have a smooth transition along the whole frequency range without 'struggling'
That being said...i love my dynamics and my rhythm overdrive tone here is very touch sensitive...as you could hear...light touch almost clean dig into the strings, fully overdriven...compressor would kill it off....i guess it can be used for people who want to squash their tone and have even response, good for slapping etc...i know some use it to bring out the harmonics ring louder...but like i said i only use it in the context of cliffs lead tone because it helps to shape it all nicely
Just got myself a dual bass funk wah. With hopes of recreating this tone. Currently have a fender jazz bass, Bass limiter enhancer, bass big muff, the dual bass wah. I have a few (but not great overdrive pedals) and one really crappy but for the time being decent delay. I have tried this rig today and tbh I’m still pretty far from this tone I haven’t got nearly the same size of screams as you in this video. Do you think that the bass tube screamer would help change this at all?
Thats odd...if you have it set like this bass>wah>muff>delay...you should get there...try using bridge pickup for solo tone that might give it a kick...compressor is more of a boost for (otherwise low gain) my overdrive...so if you use fuzz you dont need it...and you can lower the volume boost on your wah as well that might help with 'more wah than dirt'
Also maybe add some more treble and/or mids to help it bring in some more higher frequencies...but honestly this wah should have no problems with screams...unlike other modern morley pedals which seem to struggle with that a lot on bass...if nothing works at all...try some overdrive in front of the wah and then another(or the muff) after...but again...i dont think thats necessary with this wah
As far as the tube screamer goes...no i doubt it...honestly i could get that "kind" of solo tone with any distortion pedal...its just that i love the ts9 sound and character...but give me a random dirt pedal and i will get the solo tone...muff included...so i am sure you will get around it...try those few tips...and maybe use normal mode on muff instead of dry or bass boost
Oh and one more thing..limiter...i havent try that one...but that should be the opposite of the compressor...perhaps you are sending too weak signal into your wah...try ditching the limiter first and see if you get any better results...i know cliff used mxr limiter at some point but still...try without first
@@marijanbarac1216 honestly I kinda regret commenting this now because after about 15 minutes of twiddling about with my settings and pedal arrangements I now have the most amazing tone ever. I put my big muff before my wah and cranked the sustain to 5 o clock. I now have some monster screams and a gorgeous lead tone. The dual bass wah is an absolute monsterous pedal (in both size and tone). Honestly thanks for making these videos and going into great detail about your tone and how to each pedal contributes to the final sound. Love it
On Orion, you got the notes pretty close. Overall, pretty good job. Cheers!!!!
Check out latest takes with Aria ;) much better in the rhythm tone department...i am happy with lead tone the way it is
Almost looks like the setup that i had in an old video 12 years ago
I based it on the setup from 84 pedalboard seen on some pictures...he also used ampeg at the time...only my pedals are pretty much 'modern day versions' of what he had...im pretty happy with how it turned out
when i started to listen to kill em all anesthesia sounded brutal and cool for me. now it's like a bit sad and haunting idk
Yeah...honestly...i think with years...cliff made it more of an 'electric cello/bass piece' rather than just 'metal shredding'....i always loved later days iterations...it is a hauntingly beautiful piece
There is a guy playing it on a piano...on youtube...google "anesthesia pulling teeth piano" he played both parts(with and without drums) and they are strikingly different...however the first (no drum part of the song) is fantastic...real brooding and mysterious
i'm the 1k subscriber, yay.
Welcome to the channel! \m/
so are you monetized now?@@marijanbarac1216
Hi Marijan, I have a question, witch pedal will you recommend? Ibanez TS9 Tube Screamer Pedal "Original" or Ibanez TS9B Tube Screamer Bass Overdrive Pedal, the one you are using in this tone test? I guess there is a big differences between them. Thanks. (I'm building my pedal board) keep doing this amazing videos!
Hey man...i've used both(if you read the description) depending on the tone you are going for and the bass you use there will be many differences...in my case...TS9B is perfect drive for master of puppets era 1986 tones(rhythm and lead alike) but another big part of that tone is Aria bass unfortunately....guitar TS9 will sound more like Ride album...or with Aria bass like a 'less bottom heavy master tone' perhaps the best of both worlds would be a TS9 with a clean blend(like boss line selector pedal or something) so you can get more versatility of tones...i stand by both, love both...TS9B is my absolutely favourite pedal ever, but paired with Aria bass(TS9B lets quite a bit of your original bass tone through, so it will sound vastly different with every other bass...with a p bass for example i got more of a geezer butler sound with it)
Biggest differences between them are that bass one is much fuller thicker sounding...while guitar one on bass gets more dirty and more 'fluid' twangy feel due to some low cut...overall very simmilar...but bass you use with them make a big difference
Which bass have you got?
I advise trying both and see which one you prefer...because they are affected with other stuff in the chain and milleage may vary
@@marijanbarac1216 Thanks for you response, I have Jackson X Series Spectra Bass SBX IV + a cheap Harley Benton HB-80B Bass Amplifier, Pedals: I have the TS9 + 20/20 Power fuzz wah-wah Morley pedal + Boss CS-1 + Boss DM-W2 Delay and sound amazing, of course your bass and your amps are Incredible. But definitely I will buy the TS9B. To be honest with you I started building my pedalboard because of you, around 4 months ago, you motivated me to get the cliff tone, of course as fan of him. Again thank you so much for your advice.
@@joseantoniocarrerapena4888 well thats lovely to hear! Glad i pushed you into it...since you already have ts9...grab a bass version too and you're all set...i can see your bass has humbuckers so thats helpful...depending on which era sound you want, you'll be able to cover most ground with all that i believe...bass version will allow you into 86 territory and mater of puppets bass tone :) \m/ rock on mate
@@joseantoniocarrerapena4888 like i said...my goal was 1986 tone...and if i had to sell all the other stuff i've got, i would leave aria and ts9b so there is that :)
Great tone, did Cliff use the Morley Power Boost or the Morley Power Wah Fuzz? I've always wondered that, I've heard people claiming one or the other. Would you happen to know? Thank you
Thanks mate! In fact he used both during course of his life but PWB was his thing with Metallica(and most pictures i've seen of him, where his board is seen shows him with a boost wah but i have more proof than that)...in order to give you a most reasonable answer and back this claim up i have to take couple of things into consideration but i hope you find it interesting...according to some people who knew him personally(whom i talked to)...one of the first effects Cliff had was Morley Power Wah Fuzz(PWF) and EHX Bass Balls...but he was looking for a better distortion source(PWF had 'bees in a tin can' kind of fuzz sound which was in front of the wah in circuit therefore when used with wah it was still thin and synth like....listen to Jason Newsted solos with Metallica, For Whom the Bell Tolls live with Jason etc. to give you an idea how that sounds.....Bass Balls is weird kind of envelope filter with some built in distortion but very specific sound which is not quite what Cliff wanted nor it could get dirty enough) so he tried couple of Boss pedals before settling for a while with a Big Muff PI(so now we talk PWF+Big Muff combo...Agents of Misfortune days).....now that were some very early days...later on he still used the PWF with his band Trauma...Mike Overton, guitarist and one of the main writers/composers, confirmed for me that Cliff used Fuzz Wah with Trauma running into Sunn Beta Bass head which had distortion channel...by that time Cliff most likely stopped using Big Muff as well(due to obvious distortion from Sunn head)...he still used that setup with Metallica in the early days(pre Kill em all) before he also switched to Peavey mark IV head(also had built in distortion) briefly and finally Randall RBA500 amp(which i believe was used to record Kill em all as well...due to era when Cliff was seen using it) which also had great distortion channel(listen to live at metro 83 anesthesia to hear that)...now when exactly did he switch over to Power Wah Boost is opt for a debate(two pedals looking so simmilar most of his friends would not know the difference to be honest) however we can be certain he already had it by the 1983(and used it till the end) especially due to Cliffs handwritten note where he states "at this time i use Randall amp and two effects Morley Power Wah Boost and an MXR limiter) ...i think we may have never heared PWF with Metallica...or maaaaybe just on a couple of his first shows with Metallica before he got Randall head and before Kill em all was released...however by the time of Ride album, he started using Ibanez TS9(to overdrive those big Ampeg SVT tube amps and later on Mesa D180 also tube heads in 85/6) and PWB to help push it into more saturation for solos....so the bottom line is...he used PWB for the biggest period with Metallica...and PWF was either used briefly or never with Metallica...but even while using it with Trauma he never used the 'fuzz' part of the pedal really...hope this helps...his PWF was given to Jason when he joined the band(Jason also never used fuzz part of the pedal, i believe, putting Sansamp bass driver in front of the wah in chain and using the sansamp overdrive instead of fuzz, thus achieving the simmilar effect as the pedal stand alone, that synthy sound i mentioned....Cliff on the other hand had wah first in chain then overdrive, for a more natural sound)....Cliff apparently prefered tube overdrives rather than harsh fuzzes, which he also used for 90 percent of songs since Ride album so he needed boost wah to push them into even more saturation required for solos :) simmilar to what i did here...turn wah delay and compressor on for solos...turn off and you get your 'light' overdrive for the rest of the songs...hope i helped clear it up a bit :)
Same reason why i stopped using my tribute PWF(i find this to be perfect for Jason tone tho) and started using PBA wah...i was also looking for a way to build up(for solos) upon my original overdriven sound and to have more bottom end and power in the wah sweeps...
@@marijanbarac1216 That's some beautiful research you did there Marijan, very impressive and I love that you care that much to really get it right. I believe you're right, I ordered a PWF and it does not sound anything close to Cliff's tone. So judging by your research, is it safe to say that Cliff used a PWB and not the PWF on Anesthesia Pulling Teeth?
Also in your second message you mentioned a "PBA" wah, what wah is that?
I addressed in a comment in your other video why it took me so long to respond, I had some health issues but I'm doing better now.
@@matthewj3892 thank You! I think its safe to say it was PWB on studio Anesthesia as well yes...if he ever used PWF again it was just the wah part(like i stated before, i never heared him use fuzz part...not even mixed in with another distortion because that produces a stacked dirt tone, which ends up being thin and fizzy, Cliff never mixed distortions, im positive) and possibly as a backup for the PWB if something goes wrong with the latter...however handwritten note where he mentions PWB first time, while i could not find the exact date, is said to be from summer of 1983...thats around the time KEA album was released, right? In late july 83...thats summer if you ask me lol...and since it was Cliff's first written note for the fan club run by K.J. Doughton in the light of joining Metallica, we can safely assume it was after the KEA was out already and people knew him well by then in the Bay Area, especially nuked by Anesthesia on the record, there was a demand for Cliff to say something about it...so yeah
PBA2 is the wah you can see in this photo, Morley Dual Bass Wah...it has two different wah voices...one is a regular mode, which sounds like any other modern morley pretty much(altough with an improved low end, and bit less harsh than tribute PFW) and when you press the switch on the left you get 'funk' aka 'ktulu' mode lol which i use for Cliff tone, with a more exaggerated WOAH curve...that mode was also the only wah mode/voice type in an older version, PBA1 pro series II bass wah, from the 90s, entirely blue wah(Rex Brown from pantera used one of those)
Glad to hear You are doing better man \m/ stick tight!
@@marijanbarac1216 Great detailed response, I think you're right. I appreciate the well wishes on my health Marijan. So is there a reason you decided to go with PBA2 over the PWB in order to get Cliff's wah tone?
Hi Marijan, I have a question, currently I have a Morley PFW2 and an Ibanez TS9, do you think it is enough to achieve Cliffs tone? If so what order and settings do you recommend? (I have a regular PJ bass). Keep rocking with these incredible videos \m/.
Hello Nicolas! This one should be of help: ruclips.net/video/C0PpQDOSMYo/видео.htmlsi=kFxjC4qCK4IsohcR
At the very end...around 9:20 i showcase settings and you can see how everything's connected...i also used a P bass at the time and a good TS808 clone...your settings may vary a little but you will get an idea of a sound you can expect...i would just add some delay to the chain cos it really helps get that 'aetheral vibe' back in that video i had s really cheap multi fx by behringer but sounded fine...with your P/J i would recommend to try with all three pickups configurations to see which one works best...i used bridge pickup alone on Embassy bass in this video for lead tone...back in the old video i only had a P(but it was a bit too muddy to let wah 'sing' properly, so i had to adjust settings on other stuff carefully, your P/J bass should not have that problem since it has a bridge pickup to add brightness and tighten up the low end)...today i use Aria(check newer videos if you'd like)...So try all of pickup combinations on your bass to see what you prefer...bass>pwf>ts9>delay>amp is how you would connect it
As for particular settings, you can use the ones from my video as a guideline but it will depend a lot on your amp/speaker/even room you play in...so use them as guideline only and adjust to your liking....but add delay! Thats the biggest thing i would tell you to really help you get that feel
Hope this helps, if you have any more questions, do not hestitate to ask!
And thank You very much for the compliments...appreciated \m/
One more thing...TS9 alone with your bass(a bit more bridge than neck pickup) should pretty much nail the Ride the Lightning album 'rhythm bass' tone...so you got covered a lot of songs not just 'lead bass' solos....the same tone can be used to play other albums as well, master of puppets too but perhaps use 50/50 pickups for that to get beefier sound
And finally...my name on facebook / messenger is same as here...you can always reach out there(just make sure you tell me you are from RUclips so i know who contacted me) if you need a bit more help(its easier to talk there than via comment section)
@marijanbarac1216 Thank You so much dude! I was searching it for ages. One last thing, Do you think having a Boss CS3 necessary or it is optional? Thank you again for the help.
Also what wah pedal is that? I know it’s a Morley but what kind?
Dual bass wah(PBA2)...it has two wah 'voice modes' ...i use the 'funk' setting for cliffs tone, which in turn sounds exactly like the only 'voice' of its predecessor the fully blue wah from 90s called pro series II bass wah(pba1)...which rex brown used
hey marijan I have researched and listen if you wanna upgrade your I suggest for anestesia you go bass-TS9-CS2-PWB-EH big muff-delay. then fwtbt you go EH big muff-PWB-ts9 and for now I'm not sure where to put the tube screamer ive listened to hundreds of videos if you want a more grind noise for regular bass you should go bass-ts9-amp with a gain or drive can help but your tone is eerily beautiful I wanna say you have helped me so much I remember watching the firsr cliff Burton tone video and being wowed thanks man for your work :)
Yeah im pretty happy with my sound at the moment...i didnt want it overtly fuzzy(was looking more for ride/master live tours tone rather than gnarly studio anesthesia) as for the muff...i never wanted to implement it since cliff never really used it with metallica...not even trauma...only waaaay back when perhaps ez street or agents of misfortune...i know people are getting good sounds with it...especially for studio anesthesia...but i wanted this kinda 84/86 transition from almost clean through overdriven rhythm tone to fully distorted wah solo tone...my pedalboard is inspired by his 1984 board seen on a couple of pictures...thanks for the info and kind words man, glad you liked it and find it inspiring
Thing is...cliff never really used that many distortion pedals at once...he used a lot of gain boost to push the existing overdrive into more saturation when he played solo...like i did here
One more thing...delay adds to the smoothness of the sound A LOT, that and due to recording with a simple cellphone it might seem a bit less distorted than i hear in real life ;)
@@marijanbarac1216 i completely get that im a person thats all over the place so i need something thats everything so i get your perspective im not gonna crap on your parade saying "but he used a pfw" which he rarely did but i wanna still say thank you i wanna get a squier anniversary classic vibe to get your vibe from your old rooster bass \m/
@@marijanbarac1216 agreed he used a lot of his drive from the mesa boogie heads in certain shows ;) he also used a chorus during the very beginning like the stone show with Dave mustaine you slap a chorus on your rig and you got it
What're your pedal settings?
Hey dude, what's up? I've been wanting to know for a while how you pull off that harmonic thing at the end of Bellz, like you did (1:24)... Mind breaking it down for me a bit??? Lol
Hey mate! I think i've answered that to someone in this comment section before...its a bit hard to explain like this...however...i would suggest to first go check out some sort of tutorial for pinch harmonics on guitar...just to figure out how its usually done...to get an idea...now, in my case...since i play with fingers(this kind of stuff at least, i change a lot of techniques depending on what im playing)...i will pluck a note(last note in bells for example here) normally and as i bend it upwards i will quickly but with a light touch "tap" on the string in a "sweet spot" (thats why i said you check out any guitar tutorial on pinch harmonics as they will explain it better where to find sweet spots..but i will try to break it down for you as well) but you dont mute the string...just a quick light touch/tap in that specific spot and it will make a scream one or even two octaves up...that in conjuction with a proper wah position(in my case somewhere in the middle of the wah travel....too low and its muffled too high and its just screeching treble but not suitable for harmonics to ring out....so you are looking for midrange frequencies in your wah)....if i didnt really manage to pull it off so i can hear the note struggle i will do a slight vibrato as to clear it up...that helps....you can do it with a clean bass but it will be very underwhelming and quiet...with some sort of compressor it will be heared better...but its always best to use a distorted tone for these kind of harmonics....you can also see me perform them in my old cliff tone video(the one with most views) i've done them multiple times so you can see how its done....if there are any more questions ask freely!
Now what i said about sweet spots...think of natural harmonics...for example open G string...light touch on a string in 12th fret and plucking the string will give one octave up...than at like 6th one octave above the first one...than at three it will do another octave up...somewhere in between it might to a third or fifth....so the same thing applies to pinch harmonics...but your 'open string' is now where you press the note and you look for 'half of that string length' to find an octave pinch harmonic...also the same thing will apply to Cliffs tapping harmonics at the end of anesthesia...you play notes with your left hand....and you tap accordingly on the frets where the harmonic will pop out with your right hand....those are two octaves up...you can also play 'deeper' version at about half of that 'string space' between fretted and tapped notes....its a bit confusing so go check out guitar tutorial first but ditch the pick and instead of 'screaming' using a pick edge, you just lightly quickly tap the string in a sweet spot...and check out my old video where you can see me actually playing...that will give you an idea...hope i helped at least a bit
@@marijanbarac1216 Got the lowdown on what I need to do on the bass, but it's really about those harmonics needing a specific spot on the string. Anyway, thanks for the full breakdown!! Nice job buddy! \m/
@@CWA6 look...pluck the note and tap anywhere lightly over the string and see what happens haha...once you find it memorise it! I may not be able to pull off a harmonic for just about every note...but for couple ones that i notice that i use more often in my licks...i will memorise the spot for those
@@CWA6 thanks btw and no problems!
Hi there! I've been looking to replicate this tone. Do you believe that there is any difference between the Morley PWB and your PBA-2? Because the Tel-Ray is fairly pricey and quite rare, and the PBA-2 can clearly get the job done well.
Edit: I applaud you for being the first Cliff tone guy I've seen without a Big Muff Pi 😭
First of all thank You very much, this is going to be a huge reply but i wish someone told me that years ago so i think it will be helpful...yeah haha Cliff used Muff before even Trauma really...i honestly doubt he ever used it with Metallica we know(only instance where it "might be" is studio version of Anesthesia, but even then it's more probable, due to his handwritten note and gigs around the time, a distortion from Randall RBA500 amp). Tube Screamer on the other hand was integral part for many years.
Regarding wah...there is a difference.
Tel Ray was a full range wah...covering the entire frequency spectrum of the human hearing...which is why it could be actually used on both bass and guitar and keys alike....and worked properly with those...for example...first quarter of pedal physical travel on a guitar would only be noticed as a volume boost(because those are low bass frequencies and guitar range doesnt belong there...so the guitar wah starts from 1/4 down...while bass would be already affected at the very beginning)...that being said...modern morley guitar pedals just dont have all that range and which is why most feel sterile with bass(at best) and some cant even produce any sort of scream at all(when used with bass guitar and distortion after wah in chain) especially if the bass has older strings with less treble left in them....same can be said for "tribute" power fuzz wah...wah part on its own is not working well with BASS(you can hear my older videos with it, but i used fuzz as a front end push as well so i got something but it wasnt quite there yet)...
PBA(older blue pedal Pro Series II bass wah which has only one voice) and PBAII(my Dual Bass Wah which has two modes) on the other hand are bass specific wah pedals which work best in the low range of the frequency spectrum...
PBAII like mine has "normal" mode which works as a regular modern Morley wah but with an improved low end...and "funk" mode which is the same voice as older PBA...funk mode is what i use for Cliff...it seems to encompass pretty much at least the 'bass frequency range' of the old Tel Ray..."regular mode" on the other hand seems to encompass the "treble freq range" of the Tel Ray...
If you check out some of the videos where Cliff can be seen operating the wah you will notice he never goes fully toe down...he only uses the first half of the travel really
Thats why i get the good tone with my funk mode(as its basically the first half of tel ray spectrum, to put it that way) and why guitar wahs and reissue pwf dont get the right tone(being second half of tel ray range)
Now all of that said, the tone as tone goes really depends on the rest of the equipment as well...i have seen some people with Tel Ray unable to get his tone and yet i managed with a modern day wah....so it really depends...but maybe Tel Ray(if working properly, as they are very old and some tempered with) will get you the tone 'with more ease'....but it comes with more problems(big bulky, lightbulb can die, needs to go directly to 220V unlike modern ones which have LED and 9V battery or adapter options etc)
I believe they have even warmer organic tone but i never had a chance to try them myself....and i actually wanted to achieve the tone with modern day equivalents of his gear...so its personal really...but i hope i clarified some things for you
However i CAN get approximate/inspired by tone with just my PBAII and virtually any distortion pedal...however if you need exact sound, it will require more than just wah(check out my recent Aria Pro II teaser sample to hear how close i got)
Oh and of course PWB specifically has a very loud volume (boost) knob...like 60 decibel which is insanely loud(and therefore can produce insane amount of gain when placed before drive in chain)
My wah gets about 15db boost when cranked...so to push my very light overdrive i use compressor as well...if you only search for lead sound, some already gainy distortion, pbaII and some delay/reverb should do the trick already...but i wanted progression from rhythm to lead tone(again, check my aria sample)
And last but not least...when compared to my friends(online) PWB...we both recorded strumming single string and going up and down with wah all the way, with an overdrive pedal...my funk PBA didnt sound pretty much any different than his PWB...but like i said maybe more warmth in a PWB can be felt in real life(think of it as a solid state vs tube amplifier)
@marijanbarac1216 You are incredible, dude! I am honestly stunned by how much effort you put into these replies. I seriously appreciate the info. Keep rockin' on major rager \m/
@@krovian990 you got it mate, and thank You very much...major rager is the biggest compliment i could ever get \m/
Hey what amp is that?? Just wondering because I might buy it
As stated in the video description its an Ampeg Micro VR and its matching SVT210AV cab...powerful little amp...150w at 8 ohm...200(according to bass gear magazine 260 measured) watts at 4 ohm...its got a great transparent tone...im really happy with its tone...gives you back what you plug into it
Hi. Whats the year of your amp ? Thanks
Really cant say...i know its a revision C bought maybe two or three years ago...plus i've got head and the cab separately
hey quick question where did you get the tabs from for 2:50 to the end or did you just ear it
Hey man, i always play by ear...and its not even a dead on cover...this is my rendition based on certain parts of Cliff's solos from 1986 (couple of his last shows)...so i cant help you unfortunately...but maybe search for 'cliff last solo tab' or something along the lines
@@marijanbarac1216 all good i understand i tried earing it out a day or 2 ago and i think i did pretty good and yeah i founds tabs for some of it so that helped
@@User1-bl4kl hey glad to hear that! Btw developing an ear is very helpful in a long run...i always say to everyone...use tabs if you have to...but always listen to what you play and if tabs dont sound right...go check the song/isolated bass track if there is one, again and see if it matches...a friend of mine, Andriy Vasylenko had a lot of Cliff tabs on his channel...worth checking him out as well(he had more than one channel tho so i am not sure which one)
@@marijanbarac1216 haha hes actually who i got the tabs from and yeah i like his stuff
@@User1-bl4kl Hey bro! Could you share this tab? It's awesome!
hey, what are the settings of the tube screamer?
I usually dont respond to 'settings' questions...because its so individual and differs A LOT from amp to amp from bass to bass and even from room to room...in my case i have it set like this drive at 3 o clock, level at 9 o clock, bass at 3 o clock, treble at 4 o clock and mix half way at 12 o clock...but it really depends on which song i play sometimes i need less gain sometimes more, same with how much of my clean tone i want mixed in...also different pickup provides more or less bottom and clarity so sometimes i will back off eq as well, same thing with drive...my pickups could be hotter for example and pushing more drive so if you have less output from your bass you might need more drive to compensate...its a really individual thing
@@marijanbarac1216 I see, but thanks, this will help a lot! I use the traditional TS9 and I think it sounds too thin for my taste
@@lincolnsobral try boosting bass on your amp then...leave the tone on your screamer quite open to get enough bite not to muddy things up...and bring in the lack of bottom end from your amp...it might help
@@lincolnsobral and i dont know if the regular screamer has more drive than bass version so try backing down the drive a bit more than i did...
@@marijanbarac1216 thanks you so much!!
What speakers does the cab got
Eminence...not sure which ones exactly...its a killer cab...pair the two and it roars...portable 410
Settings?????? 🙏
What made you switch to the power bass wah pedal?
Good question...well...i have been on the lookout for the more powerful wah...one that can actually produce vocal and audiable scream ON ITS OWN with some distortion after the wah on bass guitar(therefore bass>wah>dirt>amp kind of setting)....since all the previous wah pedals i used had trouble with that...they would just make a barely audiable chewing sound when rocking pedal back and forth...including the power fuzz wah...if i wanted to get screams i had to switch the fuzz on(or in case of my previous wah pedals, add another dirt pedal in front of the wah in chain as well as after...distortion in front of the wah only gave more of a synthy jason newstead type of sound and was not what i was looking for) but that would affect the overall sound of my distortion of choice plus add unvanted shrill like most players have in their videos.....so after i have heared some demo(now taken down, of an older PBA version...entirely blue pedal whose tone was same as funk mode on my PBA2) it seemed like a good choice....and it turned out it is as you can tell...it might be due to my other pedals and stuff but in my case it gives more cliff like tone than any other wah pedal...since it has more midrange growl and less screeching top end...so in my case its closest to old tel ray wah response....and i believe that is due to certain frequencies PBA puts emphasis on and should i say frequency range PBA works in...that works well with bass giving the right response(fully usable sweep and not just small fraction of it)...that only the old tel ray had(being full range wah which was actually suitable for guitar and bass and keys...covering the whole frequency spectrum)....unlike most guitar oriented wahs morley makes today INCLUDING pwf reissue.....plus its switchless so its easy for me to just step on it and boom :)
You know how on the guitar all you gotta do is plug your wah into the amp(with distortion channel) and it works great...somehow it doesnt on bass...so the only one that did it for me(and i tried a fair share of wah pedals) was PBA2
And if you listen to my video...compared with any cliff video...you can hear that low mid growl especially in the low notes....no other wah pedal gave me that whhhOOOooah type of vocal low note sweeps
@@marijanbarac1216 now that you mentioned it, I find my crybaby bass wah to be a bit weak on the low end. Have you tried crybaby bass wah before? Sadly the overdrive on my hartke bass attack 2 is somewhat malfunctioning and I needed that overdrive to give the wah some low end fuzz and also so it won't sound dry with just using an guitar overdrive cranked to the max. My setup is Bass > Hartke bass attack 2 preamp > Boss CS3 > Crybaby Bass Wah > Ibanez TS9 > Behringer FX600 > Amp. I'll stick to the crybaby bass wah because I can get the screams as I somehow got the tone but with the pre amp overdruve malfunctioning, tone is screwed. Might have to sell this and get the sansamp tech 21 bass preamp (bit pricey on my budget) since my setup is more a mix of the three bassist heh
@@marijanbarac1216 I did notice that, compared to mine, I have to step my crybaby wah almost at max but its more like screeching than the woooAaah sound
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How in the fuck did you do that harmonic at 1:24
Hahah as you would normally do them...i pluck the note than quickly lightly touch the string in the sweet spot whilst doing that final 'bend'
@marijanbarac1216 what’s the sweet spot then? cuz I have only been playing for 3 months so I don’t know jackshit
@@cryomultra7216 well i cant really explain..its different for each note and you have to find it on your own bass...search some tutorials on pinch harmonics on guitar...then apply it on bass....you can also watch my old cliff burton tone video...where you can see me play and i play a few harmonics so you can see how i do it
@@cryomultra7216 it will require overdrive or distortion and some practice tho
@@marijanbarac1216 thanks
a lil too much fuzz
I use no fuzz at all lol but i get what you mean...its up to taste