Lol the pictures had me laughing when I saw the cheese. Great in depth review and your killing it with the production quality. Great effort and work, its great to see your videos getting better and better :)
Thanks Liam I really appreciate the feedback 🙌 the goal is to make each video better than the last, doesn't mean thats easy to do though! Take care brother
Oldschool Quaker here! I really like the fact that you correctly use the term "fingertip-grip", instead of mixing it up with the popular fingertip-palm-hybrids, since this distinction is important to make, no matter what grip you use. It makes no sense to go for one mouse or the other, when you do not reflect what parts of the hand you actually use or you touch your mouse with. In addition some people don't even realize how good a true fingertip-grip is, as you have much more room for fast and precise movements with solely your fingers, similar to using a pencil. I feel like a lot of people would swap to a pure fingertip-grip, if they just tried it seriously for some time, realizing all the benefits and how natural it feels. They just don't understand, yet - was the same with weight, shape and size - It took the industry almost 20 years to realize this, since their costumers did not care for so long.
@@LogPileGaming I tried a lot of mice over the past 20 years, probably more than hundred. Starting with a Lachesis, but then stayed with and bought therefore multiple Abyssus (the old school shape from 2008, not the 2014 revamped) and used it until a few years ago. Then I made some experiments, as weightreduction, sidebuttons and a better sensor were a thing to compensate for me growing older. At some point I even used the R.A.T 1 mad catz without the additional frame, which is kinda insane and you should try it just for the luls if you can get one. It has an absolute shit cheap sensor, cable, switches - yet the shape is kind of bonkers in a good sense. Then I mainly used MM710, despite having more expensive mice sit on my shelves. After all these Years I only have 4 further mice on the list and I'm sure that the next lifetimekeeper will be under it: G-wolves HSK, Zaunkonig MK3-4, Finalmouse Ultralight X and OptimumTechs selfprinted mouse, has not a name yet, but his prototype is V34. edit. Check out the RAT1 without frame, just for the luls. It is essential just two buttons, but it works and I quess at some point also the user and industry will realize the potential, usually 10-15 years too late.
My friend, the video is really very informative and helpful! I think people will definitely find a suitable mouse for themselves. The way you presented the information in a structured way is beyond praise, really everything is super. From myself, I can recommend the following things: 1) The text that you are reading can be placed under the camera to create the illusion that you are looking almost at us, and not at the text, I think it will look better; 2) Fragments with apex gameplay can be left without a camera so that there is no such strong cropping on the sides, or black stripes can be added at the top and bottom, but this way the models will look small and, for example, it will not be very convenient to look at the gameplay from a smartphone, therefore, in my opinion, gameplay fragments can be inserted without a camera. Also perhaps I would have made the background music just a little bit louder, but this is quite a matter of taste. I hope the comment was useful, good luck to you, see you in the comments for the next video 🤟😉
Hey D1s! thank you for this, I spent a whole day trying to record this without a script and it ruined me! I will try what you suggest though, and see if my script being under the camera helps with this. You're also the 2nd person to mention the music being too quiet so I'll definitely look into this too. I will play around a bit more with the camera too, I dont need to be on screen all the time afterall! Thanks bro, I appreciate your time providing this feedback 🙌
Absolutely fantastic and definitely what i wanted in a fingertip video. I got the Atlantis mini thinking i would instantly gravitate towards claw but ended using a rear fingertip grip so this video is very much needed. ❤
Loving the videos lately! Definitely glad you have enough motivation to focus more on the quality of your videos and I’m sure I speak for many when I say we will wait as long as it takes between videos when you provide such quality content and discussion.
Imo the range of motion benefit of HSK pro is kind of neglible and situational. But for me its really nice because I can have my fingers at the very tips of m1 & m2 with overhang, without it becoming a claw grip. If i want to grip Pulsar x2v2 that far forward it just turns into a clawgrip because my hands arent long enough. Nice video as always.
Glad I waited for the video, it was great! The HSK Pro is definitely for me. I am curious though, do you think it's worth getting the HSK Pro or should I save some money and get the HSK Ace instead?
I'm glad you liked it Vintire. Do you use 4k currently? I'd check out aimadapts video on 4k too, this may help you make the decision. Personally I'm never using above 1k polling rate and have a slight hint of regret as I think the ace would have been perfect for me.
@@LogPileGaming Never have tried it before! Will check out the video though and see. If you were forced to use it on a glass pad which one would you use it on? I know you said it wasn't great for glass pads but I love my Skypad so much. Just wish there was one with more control
This video was brilliant, thank you. I think I made the right choice buying the HSK pro based on one of your videos - as a cloth pad player I've really been enjoying it. I'd be interested to try the HTX now though as it seems to basically be the HSK with extra stability.
You should also look into the Zaopin Z1 Pro if you want another fingertip choice. Razer Orochi v2 shape, 3395, MCU Nordic, 4khz compatible, 46-51g, Huano Blue Shell Pink Dot switches, TTC Gold scroll wheel. And all that's just for 43$ for the standard 200 mA battery version and 50$ for the one with the bigger 500 mA battery.
Thanks bro, This video came out just in time for me as someone who is getting into finger-tip mice with the same hand size as you. I was debating between the HSK pro and the HTX pro. It's going to be a big jump from the G303 SE that I currently main, but I'm really leaning towards the HSK pro right now after hearing your opinions. I hope I'll see some positive gameplay improvements from it being a person that mainly plays Tac FPS's.
Yea, I was definitely thinking the HTX would be the safest option for my use case But I'm a little concerned that I might be bothered by the back hump impeding my ROM, cause that was the issue I had with Viper mini-esque shapes, I know it's not exactly a 1:1 clone with the VM but it's the closest experience I have to that sort of shape Could you touch on your experience with using the side buttons on the HSK and HTX? I'm a heavy side button user in most titles I play, and that's something that could definitely sway me one way or the other. And also if you experience any side play on M1/M2 on either of your copies Thanks, appreciate you!
Hey mate! Another great video, love the visceral detail you go into with how each mouse feels and the weight balancing, however knowing the actual weight of each mouse is personally an important factor for me so I would consider throwing that in, but another banger, recently picked up the atlas after your review!
Hey Doge! I'm annoyed at myself for not talking about the actual weight values 🫣 what a numpty, thanks for the tip 🫡 how are you getting on with the Atlas?
@@LogPileGaming Absolutely loving it thus far, I run a custom mouse I built myself that I got down to 48grams so it really enhances that natural aim with your eyes kinda vibe, about to put tiger ice dots on it too so it should be the most lubricated set up ever
@Artful Doge That mouse is very intriguing! yes sir, I expect that feels niiiice now, but it will be niiiiiiicer with dots I reckon 🫡 glad you're enjoying the Atlas 😁
@@LogPileGaming I don't play a huge amount of FPS games at the moment cause my friends have all stopped, so if you are ever content starved and want to review a Sus mouse let me know since you're in the UK haha
Fantastic video! 🔥 Really enjoyed the detailed breakdown for each mouse you shown and great to see you’re a big fan of the MZ1. I might mod it like I did my M42
thanks for the kind words Volta, I love the MZ1 but the weight balancing is just too 🤮. i know you're a fan of the MZ1 too, if you want a 200mah battery, I have a few spares 🤣
@@LogPileGaming Thanks for the offer but I got some spare as well just haven’t gotten around to the modding as of yet. You got a Cerapad Kin review coming up? Looking forward to hear your thoughts and comparisons
@Volta Reviews I am working on getting familiar with the Kin before I review it, but I am enjoying it alot so far. I just want to make sure I have enough time on it to get a fair assessment of it in video form, and that typically comes afyer a week or 3 of use. I dont want to regret releasing a honeymoon period review 😫 Its so different though, it'll be hard to explain i think.
You really went deep in the shape discussion and I loved it. I have the MZ1 wired as the replacement for model O- and the cable is getting on my nerves for gaming. The weight is also 15g above what I want for ultimate reaction/immersion/speed and unfortunately the brand has no news regarding an upgrade (maybe the sales are not that good). MZ1 shape is still my dream one however, doing claw and fingertip depending on the intensity of the aim and If I need extra stability. The HSK Pro or the HTX might be upgrades for me, sadly the pricetag is a cold shower on them.
Hey Ari, are you in the UK? you're right the HTX would be a great purchase, but it is a bit steep at £110. Using a creator code will take $10 off, but it's still 110 with delivery. Another alternative would be the x2 Mini by pulsar? you can claw and ftip that one and its 52grams. a really solid mouse. Also a lot of them going 2nd hand for cheap
@@LogPileGaming I will see those options, thanks. The thing is MZ1 shape is hard to leave (it is PERFECT for retracted claw and work ok in fingertip) so I might stay with my wired and wait for a refresh version from xtrfy. I'm only playing cs1.6 these days so it is not worth the investment aka I'm not in a rush to change mice and If i have to I will paracord the thing.
@ARI ATH YF if you're in the UK ill send you mine. i have more mice than i can shake a stick at. DM me on twitter if you're in the UK, I'll sort out packaging etc. (twitter: @Log_Pile_)
@@LogPileGaming I live in France, it is close enough for you ? I've sent you a twitter comment (the option to DM you on the site is inactive for some reason). There is a lot of copycats of your account other there by the way..
@ARI ATH YF The issue is if I can send a mouse and a battery to you overseas (ive had issues with this before). I will check the details and get back to you. I havent seen a comment from you on twitter? maybe discord would be better. Log_pile#2368
What an amazing roundup of fingertip mice, I don't even want to imagine how much effort you put into this! Regarding your community post with constructive criticism, most of mine is just really nitpicky. With editing, I think the music could've been just a little louder, but especially the 2nd song I barely noticed because of the soft guitar. The "bell-type" instrument in the 1st song and the piano in the 3rd just came through a lot clearer than the guitar imo, however I'm not a sound engineer so take that with a grain of salt :) I also think a fixed ratio between the footage of you talking to the left and the footage of gameplay / mice to the right would make the video feel a lot more fluid, maybe like a 30/70 split like you had throughout most of the GPX section. And in case you'd have to cut the footage too much horizontally like perhaps at 4:17, maybe just transitioning to it taking up all the screen space would be better. Regarding the content itself, I really liked the way you structured the information, going from mouse to mouse and having a final recommendation section at the end. No complaints there! I hope this helps, keep up the great content logpile, really looking forward to see your channel grow :)
Hey Xanny, thanks for this 🤝 I'll have to rewatch it myself to pick up on your points fully but I appreciate you sharing your observations - I'm no sound engineer either and maybe rushed this element of the video 🫣 Thanks again 😊
No worries, and don't stress yourself either! The more videos you make, the better you'll get :) You're on a great path already so I don't have any doubts!
on the pro x superlight, the only way I could comfortably hold it with ftip was just like you said. My solution to the problem was to use raw accel and I rotated the sensor between -12 and -15 and it's much more comfortable to hold if u wanna try it.
Love the video, I used to play with G Pro X before switching to the DAV3. Also I've decided to main 32.5 cm/360 with the atlas. Other than that, Fantastic Quality and Review.
Thank you 😁 I'm very interested in DAV3 but I think I'll go Zowie instead due to the build quality issues I've heard about. Is your DAV3 unit issue free? 32.5cm is a nice middle ground for sure. I was experimenting in Apex on 51cm last night 🤣 it is too slow but it is fun to try.
@matthewmoon6275 not in my grip but I've heard others talk about struggling to grip the HSK Pro. For me it felt quite natural. I guess you could use grip tape, or something like the struth gaming claw mates if you struggle with it?? A really good alternative to the HSK Pro is the HTX Ace. It's probably a safer bet in terms of shape (if thats what you're worried about)
@@LogPileGaming hmm i thought the ace and pro had the same dimensions, just 4k and 1k capability. Would you say you have larger hands with long fingers or short fingers.
awesome video, just pulled the trigger on the Zaopin Z1 pro (saving 5 bucks thanks to your code) instead of the Keychron M4, because there aren't many reviews featuring it, personally any thoughts on it? I've been purely fingertip and my daily driver the original superlight just never felt fit for my grip style so yeah now I am trying out some stuff slowly increasing the budget Mz1- Zaopin Z1-Keychron M4- HSK Pro Ace...
Hey man, the Zaopin is a banger!! The keychron m4 is also pretty good 👍 they're very different experiences honestly, so if you want to, you could probably puck up the Keychron m4 too and not feel like you've got 2 of the same mice. The m4 is what I'm using right now, having a blast with it. Its more versatile than the HSK pro, in terms of how you can grip it. Solid mouse for the price.
A few years back when I didn't really knew much about mice i bought the razer basilisk v2. Its too big for my hands which are on the smaller side with 17*9cm as i cant even reach the gimmick thrid sidebutton in my usual hand position. On top of that I've been annoyed with the cable and the weight of the mouse so I'm now looking for a smaller lighter wireless mouse with wich I'm also able to try different grip types as that is something I want to Experiment with thats not possible with my current mouse. I'm currently thinking about the mz1 or the x2v2 mini but can't decide as the mz1 might be great but is also very divisive and the x2 being the safer pick.
Hey Jonathan! The Pulsar x2 is nice, but if you are open to another option, the Endgame Gear OP1we is a really nice (and cheap!) smaller sized mouse. I just bought one for 59.99 and its a really nice option I didn't include in this video. The x2 or the OP1we feel like safer bets than the MZ1 as much as I like it, it is a bit divisive as you say.
excellent video my man, i subscribed instantly, i currently have an hsk pro ace and it works for me perfectly because i have small fingers but my problem its that i have wide hands and after long sessions i start to feel pain due to my pinky rest in a accord way. what do you think about the new final mouse ultralight x the small one. it claims that has the lowest latency. btw i was thinking on Xtrfy MZ1 Wireless, i like the shape and it has the under the wheel button that i used alot on the orichi v2 but then the ultralight came and im not sure if i keep using the hsk ace or switch.
Hey Electr0! Thanks for the sub man, I appreciate it :) I still use my HSK Pro when I want a challenge, fair play to you for maining it! You might want to consider looking into the struth gaming claw mate mod, its literally a silicon triangle you stick on your mice for better grip options, check this tweet twitter.com/LOG_PILE_/status/1716901382727553513?t=lMH1UxqJaFqnC5joKJ5epQ&s=19 I'm no longer a fingertip gripper as the zowie EC1-CW was so comfy in claw/palm I made the switch, if i was a big fingertipper still, I'd definitely have gotten a ULX, as it stands though im not really interested, the QC appears to be an issue with the first batch too so id definitely wait for the next round to release before buying if i was you! The MZ1 is so good man, its just a bit heavy, and weight balancing feels wonky. You could probably pick up an MZ1 2nd hand very cheap these days, may be worth a try 🤔 Also, if you have wide hands, the HTX may be pretty good for you too.
I think the HSK pro would be an awesome laptop gaming mouse. I think that someone should make it cheaper, because rn it's probably out of reach for a lot of people. would be especially good if they made it bluetooth, so you could take it with you and use it with a nom-gaming laptop and then bring it home and game with it.
That's actually a really good idea 💡 I also agree it should most definitely be cheaper, and I would love them to use more tactile switches. I'm not a huuuge fan of the zippy switches
@@LogPileGaming I can say for a fact if they made a cheaper variant with bluetooth as an option, I'd buy it. I got the razer aetheris rn and it's not the best in terms of weight.
i originally watched this thinking the htx is way too expensive. but after 2 months of hoping for something perfect to fall out of the sky. think i'm just gonna get the ace version without 4k and i think
Hey Dub, are you exclusively a fingertip gripper? If so, i dont know if you're interested in egg shape mice. I mention it as the Zaopin z1 pro is about 45£ and it's quite a good upgrade over the orochi. Weighs like 49grams. If you're on a budget I'd recommend giving it a try. If not the HTX is a solid choice for sure 🫡
@@LogPileGaming I have an orochi v2 and I just hate how wide it is. my hand is fairly narrow and I just play so well with my razer viper mini that i tink the htx lower profile will compliment and wireless that will feel nicer
Is it possible that you haven't yet optimised your system latency on your gaming laptop? I couldn't help but feel like your performance was hindered by exactly that. On another note, very good video. I liked it. 😊
Hey Ali, How would that improve my experience with the mice? if my system latency is bad for 1 mouse, wouldn't it be bad for all of them? I'm glad you enjoyed the video 😁
And here I thought my finger tip grip is weird. your finger grip is way, way back. You hold it at the the "back hump" in the GPX. When I finger tip, my thumb to rest at the buttom of the back side buttons.
I'll be honest with you, I don't really check what's "normal" for grip styles, I just do what feels best for me Gripping from the back is what feels best for me 🫡 I think the new Pulsar Grip tape could make other positions more comfortable for me though, so watch this space
i seem to perform best with a rear fingertip grip similar to what you are using at times in the vid, also a streamer called Lyr1c on apex uses a similar grip, the only downside is i like my mouse side buttons so quite often the front side button isnt easily accessible which is a shame, i tested the gpx super light, g703, viper v2 pro, pulsar xlite v2, g303, kone air and i currently use a g502/g502x wired, i like the 502 for single player stuff and when i transistioned from console to pc the extra buttons were helpful. I found my aim was most consistent with the viper v2 pro and the g303, the g303 i have never aimed so well but i couldnt access the front side button and i found it uncomfortable for long periods, the viper v2 i aimed really well with and i could just about access the front side button and i found it more comfortable. I used the amazon return policy but i am debating buying some mice on ebay for cheaper, was thinking of trying a mz1 wireless, x2 mini or lamzu atlantis mini, thoughts? also great vid
Hey Mayhem, it sounds like you've been on a similar endgame journey to me!! Of the 2 mice I've tried on your list, if you move your grip a touch further forward on both the MZ1 or the X2 mini (possible with good grip tape), you can still get good range of motion and basically rest your thumb on the front and back mouse buttons. I guess the decision is yours between the 2, I personally would try to find a second hand MZ1 wireless - but depending on your preferences, an X2 mini is a really solid option too.
@@LogPileGaming I'll have a look ok eBay and see what is available, I'm in no rush to buy something, Thanks for the input and keep up the quality videos, very informative and well put together 👍 Have you done a similar video with mouse pads?
@Mayhemz95 I've done a glass pad comparison between the skypad 3.0, pulsar superglide and razer atlas, but I dont tend to use cloth pads (the skypad ruined cloth pads for me unfortunately!). I'm testing the carapad kin at the moment and expect I probably won't do a round up video like this for cloth pads cos I actually dont like using them anymore. You could check aim adapts channel , or even boardzy?
Would you recommend the HSK 4k Pro over the normal version? I find the price of the HSK 4k Pro to be way too high even though its a very unique design with a high poling rate. I currently play on an x2 mini which is 1k polling rate and I dont really feel any issues. Any noticeable advantages for 4k? I dont play FPS shooters like Valorant so I dont track a lot. I have heard that 4k is beneficial in tracking FPS games.
Great question! If you're not into 4k polling rate I'd definitely get the ace version, not only is ot chraper, its lighter too. Personally, with hkw poorly my favourite games are for 4k, I've never used it. So we find ourselves in the same camp. Other people i know and trust sing 4k's praises, but they have a much better understanding than me of how to optimise it and typically.tun higher refresh rates from what I've seen. The higher your screen refreshes (200+) the more noticeable 4k polling rate is. Hope that helps
@balazsdinh1910 I am not personally that bothered by it, but I typically like to "plug and play" with my peripherals, 4k requires quite a bit of tinkering and I'm really not that bothered by it roght now. When I gwt a better PC, and can run games at hogher framerate i may take it more seriously, but for now I'm perfectly happy with 1k polling 👍 aimadapt did a good video on 4k polling you might want to check out if you havent seen it already
@@LogPileGaming Thank your for your in depth reply! I play high refresh rates (above 240hz and high fps) so I might consider 4k. I have been around since you only had like 100 subscribers and I find your content really helpful! Although the very light gaming mouse and the glass mousepad scene is still a niche product, I was surprised not to see any proper reviewers. Many channels have made videos about the products you review, but I always felt like they were useless and the reviews felt forced. When you speak about the products, I can see that you are enthusiastic about it and you really have solid personal experience with them. You really strive to find what feels best for you and its not just a product that has been sent to you for review and content creation. Your content is truly informative and I always feel like helping others is your primary focus and content creation is only secondary. Outstanding content keep it up!
hey man, from memory the weight was further forward in the MZ1 than it should be, if i was fingertipping the mz1 id use the low shell, if im clawing it ill use the higher shell 😁 I love the option to change the hump, such a great idea/feature
I've not tried the HSK plus, I have asked G Wolves if they'd consider sending me one for review, so I may be able to include it in my update to this video at some point 😁
Good video, but my I'm still full of doubts in my hand xD My nº1 mouse (in terms of shape) would 100% be the x2 mini, but unfortunately I can't trust pulsar due to the qc issues complaints in every single website I visit :( The other options are g-wolves hsk/htx (kinda uncertain if can trust this company too..), the lamzu mini (better for claw than fingertip but yeah) and the mz1 (kinda afraid of the shape 'cause I use a 1-1-3 fingertip grip). I have a medium hand (18x10), use 1-1-3 fingertip grip, and prefer more flat sides mice. Do you have any advice you could give me?? :/
Hey Simon, I have seen a few recent reviews of the pulsar x2 mini superclear (see through version) and all reviewers have commented on how flawless it is for them in terms of build quality. That would be my recommendation given the details you've given 🫡
@@LogPileGaming Thank you, so much. Guess I'll have to trust and send the mouse back if I have any issue. Just out of curiosity, did you buy any of your mice in max gaming? If so, do you have a good experience? Thank you for the response again, and I genuinely hope your channel grows :p
@simonwithanaccent I havent used maxgaming myself but i know some who have and they've had a good experience. I'm in the UK and we have different sites for orders here. Thanks for the kind words 🙏 if you are worried, try to pay through paypal, they give you good protection
Hey Jonah, great choice! I have the tiger ice skates for the viper mini installed currently. They fit quite well. Before that i threw on some tiger ice dots and they were fine too. I prefer the viper mini skates in case you were wondering - it helps balance out the light weight of the mouse by giving more feedback from the pad. Whereas the dots provide no feedback and super fast glide. all preference at the end of the day 🫡
Hey Milly, all wireless mice in this video are useable with a wire (I do it sometimes when I want to play and the battery is flat. I don't think any of them (except the orochi!) are bluetooth compatible but I would check the website for the one you're interested in because it's possible I'm wrong.
@@LogPileGaming Thanks mate! I just picked up an Aria after debating on the Orochi. Seems like a good well-rounder for every situation I can think of (PC, mobile, deck)
@millyawns I've heard good things about the Aria! The egg shapes are very underrated. I'd have stuck with the orochi longer if it wasnt so top heavy and if it was a touch longer (both of those issues i understand to be ok with the aria). Solid choice 🫡
Lol the pictures had me laughing when I saw the cheese. Great in depth review and your killing it with the production quality. Great effort and work, its great to see your videos getting better and better :)
Thanks Liam I really appreciate the feedback 🙌 the goal is to make each video better than the last, doesn't mean thats easy to do though! Take care brother
just discovered this channel, it's absolutely great ! really underrated
You made me smile 😁 Thank you Prytud 👍
Oldschool Quaker here! I really like the fact that you correctly use the term "fingertip-grip", instead of mixing it up with the popular fingertip-palm-hybrids, since this distinction is important to make, no matter what grip you use. It makes no sense to go for one mouse or the other, when you do not reflect what parts of the hand you actually use or you touch your mouse with.
In addition some people don't even realize how good a true fingertip-grip is, as you have much more room for fast and precise movements with solely your fingers, similar to using a pencil. I feel like a lot of people would swap to a pure fingertip-grip, if they just tried it seriously for some time, realizing all the benefits and how natural it feels. They just don't understand, yet - was the same with weight, shape and size - It took the industry almost 20 years to realize this, since their costumers did not care for so long.
Hey Yosoy! I agree with you, fingertip grip just takes a bit of getting used to. What mouse do you use?
@@LogPileGaming I tried a lot of mice over the past 20 years, probably more than hundred. Starting with a Lachesis, but then stayed with and bought therefore multiple Abyssus (the old school shape from 2008, not the 2014 revamped) and used it until a few years ago.
Then I made some experiments, as weightreduction, sidebuttons and a better sensor were a thing to compensate for me growing older. At some point I even used the R.A.T 1 mad catz without the additional frame, which is kinda insane and you should try it just for the luls if you can get one. It has an absolute shit cheap sensor, cable, switches - yet the shape is kind of bonkers in a good sense. Then I mainly used MM710, despite having more expensive mice sit on my shelves.
After all these Years I only have 4 further mice on the list and I'm sure that the next lifetimekeeper will be under it:
G-wolves HSK, Zaunkonig MK3-4, Finalmouse Ultralight X and OptimumTechs selfprinted mouse, has not a name yet, but his prototype is V34.
edit. Check out the RAT1 without frame, just for the luls. It is essential just two buttons, but it works and I quess at some point also the user and industry will realize the potential, usually 10-15 years too late.
My friend, the video is really very informative and helpful! I think people will definitely find a suitable mouse for themselves. The way you presented the information in a structured way is beyond praise, really everything is super. From myself, I can recommend the following things:
1) The text that you are reading can be placed under the camera to create the illusion that you are looking almost at us, and not at the text, I think it will look better;
2) Fragments with apex gameplay can be left without a camera so that there is no such strong cropping on the sides, or black stripes can be added at the top and bottom, but this way the models will look small and, for example, it will not be very convenient to look at the gameplay from a smartphone, therefore, in my opinion, gameplay fragments can be inserted without a camera.
Also perhaps I would have made the background music just a little bit louder, but this is quite a matter of taste. I hope the comment was useful, good luck to you, see you in the comments for the next video 🤟😉
Hey D1s! thank you for this, I spent a whole day trying to record this without a script and it ruined me! I will try what you suggest though, and see if my script being under the camera helps with this.
You're also the 2nd person to mention the music being too quiet so I'll definitely look into this too.
I will play around a bit more with the camera too, I dont need to be on screen all the time afterall! Thanks bro, I appreciate your time providing this feedback 🙌
Absolutely fantastic and definitely what i wanted in a fingertip video. I got the Atlantis mini thinking i would instantly gravitate towards claw but ended using a rear fingertip grip so this video is very much needed. ❤
I'm glad you enjoyed the video Gabriel 😁
Brilliant delivery and presentation style. You speak proper English and remain relaxed in your approach. Rare to see nowadays. Keep it up, lad
🫡 Thank you sir!! I'm still working on my English, after 32 years I think I'm making some progress 🤣
Loving the videos lately! Definitely glad you have enough motivation to focus more on the quality of your videos and I’m sure I speak for many when I say we will wait as long as it takes between videos when you provide such quality content and discussion.
I appreciate you Thunder ⛈️ thanks for the kind words bro
Imo the range of motion benefit of HSK pro is kind of neglible and situational. But for me its really nice because I can have my fingers at the very tips of m1 & m2 with overhang, without it becoming a claw grip. If i want to grip Pulsar x2v2 that far forward it just turns into a clawgrip because my hands arent long enough. Nice video as always.
Thanks Martin!
you had me crying at the clicked pun for the pulsar x2 mini lol
well done man good video haha
I was proud of that one 😁🤣 Thanks broski
Glad I waited for the video, it was great! The HSK Pro is definitely for me. I am curious though, do you think it's worth getting the HSK Pro or should I save some money and get the HSK Ace instead?
I'm glad you liked it Vintire. Do you use 4k currently? I'd check out aimadapts video on 4k too, this may help you make the decision. Personally I'm never using above 1k polling rate and have a slight hint of regret as I think the ace would have been perfect for me.
@@LogPileGaming Never have tried it before! Will check out the video though and see. If you were forced to use it on a glass pad which one would you use it on? I know you said it wasn't great for glass pads but I love my Skypad so much. Just wish there was one with more control
This video was brilliant, thank you.
I think I made the right choice buying the HSK pro based on one of your videos - as a cloth pad player I've really been enjoying it. I'd be interested to try the HTX now though as it seems to basically be the HSK with extra stability.
Thanks Flux 👌 Yea thats pretty much how I'd describe it, it is maybe a safer shape for the majority too 🤔
@@LogPileGaming agreed, the HSK definitely needs all the grip tape that came with it😂
@@Flux000 oh absolutely 🤣
You should also look into the Zaopin Z1 Pro if you want another fingertip choice. Razer Orochi v2 shape, 3395, MCU Nordic, 4khz compatible, 46-51g, Huano Blue Shell Pink Dot switches, TTC Gold scroll wheel. And all that's just for 43$ for the standard 200 mA battery version and 50$ for the one with the bigger 500 mA battery.
Hey Gia, that sounds like an absolute banger! thanks for sharing 👍
Thanks bro,
This video came out just in time for me as someone who is getting into finger-tip mice with the same hand size as you.
I was debating between the HSK pro and the HTX pro. It's going to be a big jump from the G303 SE that I currently main, but I'm really leaning towards the HSK pro right now after hearing your opinions.
I hope I'll see some positive gameplay improvements from it being a person that mainly plays Tac FPS's.
Hey Inkite, if you're a tac FPS player, you might be better served by the HTX that offers a similar experience with more stability?
Yea, I was definitely thinking the HTX would be the safest option for my use case
But I'm a little concerned that I might be bothered by the back hump impeding my ROM, cause that was the issue I had with Viper mini-esque shapes, I know it's not exactly a 1:1 clone with the VM but it's the closest experience I have to that sort of shape
Could you touch on your experience with using the side buttons on the HSK and HTX? I'm a heavy side button user in most titles I play, and that's something that could definitely sway me one way or the other.
And also if you experience any side play on M1/M2 on either of your copies
Thanks, appreciate you!
@Inkite are you on twitter?? maybe DM me and I'll fire back some vids @Log_Pile_
@@LogPileGaming oh forsure, I'll hit you up, thanks mate
Cool, you like the Xlite V2 mini retro.😁 Nice round up and informative video for fingertip grip users! Great job 👍
I love the Xlite v2 mini 😍 I have you to thank for that! 🫡 Cheers Oli
@@LogPileGaming 😉👍
Hey mate! Another great video, love the visceral detail you go into with how each mouse feels and the weight balancing, however knowing the actual weight of each mouse is personally an important factor for me so I would consider throwing that in, but another banger, recently picked up the atlas after your review!
Hey Doge! I'm annoyed at myself for not talking about the actual weight values 🫣 what a numpty, thanks for the tip 🫡 how are you getting on with the Atlas?
@@LogPileGaming Absolutely loving it thus far, I run a custom mouse I built myself that I got down to 48grams so it really enhances that natural aim with your eyes kinda vibe, about to put tiger ice dots on it too so it should be the most lubricated set up ever
@Artful Doge That mouse is very intriguing! yes sir, I expect that feels niiiice now, but it will be niiiiiiicer with dots I reckon 🫡 glad you're enjoying the Atlas 😁
@@LogPileGaming I don't play a huge amount of FPS games at the moment cause my friends have all stopped, so if you are ever content starved and want to review a Sus mouse let me know since you're in the UK haha
@Artful Doge are you a UK'er too?! I could send you something in return! Are you on twitter?
Also, what fps games do/did you play?? 👀
Fantastic video! 🔥 Really enjoyed the detailed breakdown for each mouse you shown and great to see you’re a big fan of the MZ1. I might mod it like I did my M42
thanks for the kind words Volta, I love the MZ1 but the weight balancing is just too 🤮. i know you're a fan of the MZ1 too, if you want a 200mah battery, I have a few spares 🤣
@@LogPileGaming Thanks for the offer but I got some spare as well just haven’t gotten around to the modding as of yet. You got a Cerapad Kin review coming up? Looking forward to hear your thoughts and comparisons
@Volta Reviews I am working on getting familiar with the Kin before I review it, but I am enjoying it alot so far. I just want to make sure I have enough time on it to get a fair assessment of it in video form, and that typically comes afyer a week or 3 of use. I dont want to regret releasing a honeymoon period review 😫 Its so different though, it'll be hard to explain i think.
@@LogPileGaming That’s great to hear! Looks like we’re rather similar in that regard. Looking forward to it anyways 🔥
@@VoltaReviews yes sir! have you got much in progress at the moment?
You really went deep in the shape discussion and I loved it.
I have the MZ1 wired as the replacement for model O- and the cable is getting on my nerves for gaming.
The weight is also 15g above what I want for ultimate reaction/immersion/speed and unfortunately the brand has no news regarding an upgrade (maybe the sales are not that good).
MZ1 shape is still my dream one however, doing claw and fingertip depending on the intensity of the aim and If I need extra stability.
The HSK Pro or the HTX might be upgrades for me, sadly the pricetag is a cold shower on them.
Hey Ari, are you in the UK? you're right the HTX would be a great purchase, but it is a bit steep at £110. Using a creator code will take $10 off, but it's still 110 with delivery.
Another alternative would be the x2 Mini by pulsar? you can claw and ftip that one and its 52grams. a really solid mouse. Also a lot of them going 2nd hand for cheap
@@LogPileGaming I will see those options, thanks.
The thing is MZ1 shape is hard to leave (it is PERFECT for retracted claw and work ok in fingertip) so I might stay with my wired and wait for a refresh version from xtrfy.
I'm only playing cs1.6 these days so it is not worth the investment aka I'm not in a rush to change mice and If i have to I will paracord the thing.
@ARI ATH YF if you're in the UK ill send you mine. i have more mice than i can shake a stick at. DM me on twitter if you're in the UK, I'll sort out packaging etc. (twitter: @Log_Pile_)
@@LogPileGaming I live in France, it is close enough for you ?
I've sent you a twitter comment (the option to DM you on the site is inactive for some reason). There is a lot of copycats of your account other there by the way..
@ARI ATH YF The issue is if I can send a mouse and a battery to you overseas (ive had issues with this before). I will check the details and get back to you. I havent seen a comment from you on twitter? maybe discord would be better. Log_pile#2368
What an amazing roundup of fingertip mice, I don't even want to imagine how much effort you put into this!
Regarding your community post with constructive criticism, most of mine is just really nitpicky.
With editing, I think the music could've been just a little louder, but especially the 2nd song I barely noticed because of the soft guitar. The "bell-type" instrument in the 1st song and the piano in the 3rd just came through a lot clearer than the guitar imo, however I'm not a sound engineer so take that with a grain of salt :)
I also think a fixed ratio between the footage of you talking to the left and the footage of gameplay / mice to the right would make the video feel a lot more fluid, maybe like a 30/70 split like you had throughout most of the GPX section. And in case you'd have to cut the footage too much horizontally like perhaps at 4:17, maybe just transitioning to it taking up all the screen space would be better.
Regarding the content itself, I really liked the way you structured the information, going from mouse to mouse and having a final recommendation section at the end. No complaints there!
I hope this helps, keep up the great content logpile, really looking forward to see your channel grow :)
Hey Xanny, thanks for this 🤝 I'll have to rewatch it myself to pick up on your points fully but I appreciate you sharing your observations - I'm no sound engineer either and maybe rushed this element of the video 🫣 Thanks again 😊
No worries, and don't stress yourself either! The more videos you make, the better you'll get :)
You're on a great path already so I don't have any doubts!
@@xanny57 Thank you 😊 have a good one bro
Thank you, you too! ^^
on the pro x superlight, the only way I could comfortably hold it with ftip was just like you said.
My solution to the problem was to use raw accel and I rotated the sensor between -12 and -15 and it's much more comfortable to hold if u wanna try it.
Thanks for this I may give it a try!
Love the video, I used to play with G Pro X before switching to the DAV3. Also I've decided to main 32.5 cm/360 with the atlas. Other than that, Fantastic Quality and Review.
Thank you 😁 I'm very interested in DAV3 but I think I'll go Zowie instead due to the build quality issues I've heard about. Is your DAV3 unit issue free? 32.5cm is a nice middle ground for sure. I was experimenting in Apex on 51cm last night 🤣 it is too slow but it is fun to try.
great vid bro, think you might have convinced me to pull the trigger on the gwolves hsk pro
You'll have a blast with it man 🫡
@@LogPileGaming im kind of worried about my pinky finger tho. Does your pinky often struggle to find footing or slip off of the hsk pro?
@matthewmoon6275 not in my grip but I've heard others talk about struggling to grip the HSK Pro. For me it felt quite natural.
I guess you could use grip tape, or something like the struth gaming claw mates if you struggle with it??
A really good alternative to the HSK Pro is the HTX Ace. It's probably a safer bet in terms of shape (if thats what you're worried about)
@@LogPileGaming hmm i thought the ace and pro had the same dimensions, just 4k and 1k capability. Would you say you have larger hands with long fingers or short fingers.
@matthewmoon6275 probably well balanced in terms of palm to finger ratio. The other difference between ace and pro is the weight. Ace is lighter.
awesome video, just pulled the trigger on the Zaopin Z1 pro (saving 5 bucks thanks to your code) instead of the Keychron M4, because there aren't many reviews featuring it, personally any thoughts on it? I've been purely fingertip and my daily driver the original superlight just never felt fit for my grip style so yeah now I am trying out some stuff slowly increasing the budget Mz1- Zaopin Z1-Keychron M4- HSK Pro Ace...
Hey man, the Zaopin is a banger!! The keychron m4 is also pretty good 👍 they're very different experiences honestly, so if you want to, you could probably puck up the Keychron m4 too and not feel like you've got 2 of the same mice. The m4 is what I'm using right now, having a blast with it. Its more versatile than the HSK pro, in terms of how you can grip it. Solid mouse for the price.
A few years back when I didn't really knew much about mice i bought the razer basilisk v2. Its too big for my hands which are on the smaller side with 17*9cm as i cant even reach the gimmick thrid sidebutton in my usual hand position. On top of that I've been annoyed with the cable and the weight of the mouse so I'm now looking for a smaller lighter wireless mouse with wich I'm also able to try different grip types as that is something I want to Experiment with thats not possible with my current mouse. I'm currently thinking about the mz1 or the x2v2 mini but can't decide as the mz1 might be great but is also very divisive and the x2 being the safer pick.
Hey Jonathan! The Pulsar x2 is nice, but if you are open to another option, the Endgame Gear OP1we is a really nice (and cheap!) smaller sized mouse. I just bought one for 59.99 and its a really nice option I didn't include in this video.
The x2 or the OP1we feel like safer bets than the MZ1 as much as I like it, it is a bit divisive as you say.
excellent video my man, i subscribed instantly, i currently have an hsk pro ace and it works for me perfectly because i have small fingers but my problem its that i have wide hands and after long sessions i start to feel pain due to my pinky rest in a accord way.
what do you think about the new final mouse ultralight x the small one. it claims that has the lowest latency.
btw i was thinking on Xtrfy MZ1 Wireless, i like the shape and it has the under the wheel button that i used alot on the orichi v2 but then the ultralight came and im not sure if i keep using the hsk ace or switch.
Hey Electr0! Thanks for the sub man, I appreciate it :) I still use my HSK Pro when I want a challenge, fair play to you for maining it! You might want to consider looking into the struth gaming claw mate mod, its literally a silicon triangle you stick on your mice for better grip options, check this tweet twitter.com/LOG_PILE_/status/1716901382727553513?t=lMH1UxqJaFqnC5joKJ5epQ&s=19
I'm no longer a fingertip gripper as the zowie EC1-CW was so comfy in claw/palm I made the switch, if i was a big fingertipper still, I'd definitely have gotten a ULX, as it stands though im not really interested, the QC appears to be an issue with the first batch too so id definitely wait for the next round to release before buying if i was you!
The MZ1 is so good man, its just a bit heavy, and weight balancing feels wonky.
You could probably pick up an MZ1 2nd hand very cheap these days, may be worth a try 🤔
Also, if you have wide hands, the HTX may be pretty good for you too.
I think the HSK pro would be an awesome laptop gaming mouse. I think that someone should make it cheaper, because rn it's probably out of reach for a lot of people.
would be especially good if they made it bluetooth, so you could take it with you and use it with a nom-gaming laptop and then bring it home and game with it.
That's actually a really good idea 💡 I also agree it should most definitely be cheaper, and I would love them to use more tactile switches. I'm not a huuuge fan of the zippy switches
@@LogPileGaming I can say for a fact if they made a cheaper variant with bluetooth as an option, I'd buy it. I got the razer aetheris rn and it's not the best in terms of weight.
@JessicaFEREM lets keep our fingers crossed G Wolves answers your prayers 🙏 😁
i originally watched this thinking the htx is way too expensive. but after 2 months of hoping for something perfect to fall out of the sky. think i'm just gonna get the ace version without 4k and i think
Hey Dub, are you exclusively a fingertip gripper? If so, i dont know if you're interested in egg shape mice. I mention it as the Zaopin z1 pro is about 45£ and it's quite a good upgrade over the orochi. Weighs like 49grams. If you're on a budget I'd recommend giving it a try. If not the HTX is a solid choice for sure 🫡
@@LogPileGaming I have an orochi v2 and I just hate how wide it is. my hand is fairly narrow and I just play so well with my razer viper mini that i tink the htx lower profile will compliment and wireless that will feel nicer
If anyone is considering the orochi shape or any egg for that matter, the fantech aria xd7 is pretty great
I have heard good things about the aria, I also storngly recommend the Zaopin Z1 Pro :)
Is it possible that you haven't yet optimised your system latency on your gaming laptop? I couldn't help but feel like your performance was hindered by exactly that.
On another note, very good video. I liked it. 😊
Hey Ali, How would that improve my experience with the mice? if my system latency is bad for 1 mouse, wouldn't it be bad for all of them? I'm glad you enjoyed the video 😁
Picture visualization is top notch ;)
Glad you liked it 🤣
Sums up how i feel for me, also settled for HTX
great choice Oblivian
fingertip grip is like writing. normal grip(palm) is like canvas painting.
I agree 100% 👍
And here I thought my finger tip grip is weird. your finger grip is way, way back. You hold it at the the "back hump" in the GPX. When I finger tip, my thumb to rest at the buttom of the back side buttons.
I'll be honest with you, I don't really check what's "normal" for grip styles, I just do what feels best for me Gripping from the back is what feels best for me 🫡 I think the new Pulsar Grip tape could make other positions more comfortable for me though, so watch this space
i seem to perform best with a rear fingertip grip similar to what you are using at times in the vid, also a streamer called Lyr1c on apex uses a similar grip, the only downside is i like my mouse side buttons so quite often the front side button isnt easily accessible which is a shame, i tested the gpx super light, g703, viper v2 pro, pulsar xlite v2, g303, kone air and i currently use a g502/g502x wired, i like the 502 for single player stuff and when i transistioned from console to pc the extra buttons were helpful.
I found my aim was most consistent with the viper v2 pro and the g303, the g303 i have never aimed so well but i couldnt access the front side button and i found it uncomfortable for long periods, the viper v2 i aimed really well with and i could just about access the front side button and i found it more comfortable.
I used the amazon return policy but i am debating buying some mice on ebay for cheaper, was thinking of trying a mz1 wireless, x2 mini or lamzu atlantis mini, thoughts?
also great vid
Hey Mayhem, it sounds like you've been on a similar endgame journey to me!!
Of the 2 mice I've tried on your list, if you move your grip a touch further forward on both the MZ1 or the X2 mini (possible with good grip tape), you can still get good range of motion and basically rest your thumb on the front and back mouse buttons. I guess the decision is yours between the 2, I personally would try to find a second hand MZ1 wireless - but depending on your preferences, an X2 mini is a really solid option too.
@@LogPileGaming I'll have a look ok eBay and see what is available, I'm in no rush to buy something,
Thanks for the input and keep up the quality videos, very informative and well put together 👍
Have you done a similar video with mouse pads?
@Mayhemz95 I've done a glass pad comparison between the skypad 3.0, pulsar superglide and razer atlas, but I dont tend to use cloth pads (the skypad ruined cloth pads for me unfortunately!). I'm testing the carapad kin at the moment and expect I probably won't do a round up video like this for cloth pads cos I actually dont like using them anymore. You could check aim adapts channel , or even boardzy?
@@LogPileGaming ah i see, yeah i'll check boardzy and aim adapts out for sure,
@@LogPileGaming I'll try and remember to let you know which mice I end up trying and which i stick with
I appreciate your effort, thanks! 👋
Would you recommend the HSK 4k Pro over the normal version? I find the price of the HSK 4k Pro to be way too high even though its a very unique design with a high poling rate. I currently play on an x2 mini which is 1k polling rate and I dont really feel any issues. Any noticeable advantages for 4k? I dont play FPS shooters like Valorant so I dont track a lot. I have heard that 4k is beneficial in tracking FPS games.
Great question! If you're not into 4k polling rate I'd definitely get the ace version, not only is ot chraper, its lighter too.
Personally, with hkw poorly my favourite games are for 4k, I've never used it. So we find ourselves in the same camp.
Other people i know and trust sing 4k's praises, but they have a much better understanding than me of how to optimise it and typically.tun higher refresh rates from what I've seen.
The higher your screen refreshes (200+) the more noticeable 4k polling rate is.
Hope that helps
@@LogPileGaming I appreciate your quick answer. Are you personally into 4k polling rate?
@balazsdinh1910 I am not personally that bothered by it, but I typically like to "plug and play" with my peripherals, 4k requires quite a bit of tinkering and I'm really not that bothered by it roght now. When I gwt a better PC, and can run games at hogher framerate i may take it more seriously, but for now I'm perfectly happy with 1k polling 👍 aimadapt did a good video on 4k polling you might want to check out if you havent seen it already
@@LogPileGaming Thank your for your in depth reply! I play high refresh rates (above 240hz and high fps) so I might consider 4k.
I have been around since you only had like 100 subscribers and I find your content really helpful!
Although the very light gaming mouse and the glass mousepad scene is still a niche product, I was surprised not to see any proper reviewers. Many channels have made videos about the products you review, but I always felt like they were useless and the reviews felt forced. When you speak about the products, I can see that you are enthusiastic about it and you really have solid personal experience with them. You really strive to find what feels best for you and its not just a product that has been sent to you for review and content creation. Your content is truly informative and I always feel like helping others is your primary focus and content creation is only secondary. Outstanding content keep it up!
@balazsdinh1910 You have no idea how much this message means to me, brother. Thank you for your kind words 🙌 🙏 Have a blessed weekend.
Where do you put the weight of the mz1 mouse?
I'm thinking about whether to pull it all the way to the front or the center
and do you use high shells or low shells?
hey man, from memory the weight was further forward in the MZ1 than it should be, if i was fingertipping the mz1 id use the low shell, if im clawing it ill use the higher shell 😁 I love the option to change the hump, such a great idea/feature
@@LogPileGaming If I pull the center of gravity forward, will it fit with the wired version? I'm watching the video so well!!!
good video. heres some engagement
🤣🤣 this got a chuckle out of me. TY bro
What do you think about the hsk plus? Its slightly longer than the hsk pro 4k fingertip one
I've not tried the HSK plus, I have asked G Wolves if they'd consider sending me one for review, so I may be able to include it in my update to this video at some point 😁
@@LogPileGaming alright ill be waiting :)
@@noneofyourbusiness4506 HNY 😁
Good video, but my I'm still full of doubts in my hand xD
My nº1 mouse (in terms of shape) would 100% be the x2 mini, but unfortunately I can't trust pulsar due to the qc issues complaints in every single website I visit :(
The other options are g-wolves hsk/htx (kinda uncertain if can trust this company too..), the lamzu mini (better for claw than fingertip but yeah) and the mz1 (kinda afraid of the shape 'cause I use a 1-1-3 fingertip grip).
I have a medium hand (18x10), use 1-1-3 fingertip grip, and prefer more flat sides mice. Do you have any advice you could give me?? :/
Hey Simon, I have seen a few recent reviews of the pulsar x2 mini superclear (see through version) and all reviewers have commented on how flawless it is for them in terms of build quality. That would be my recommendation given the details you've given 🫡
@@LogPileGaming Thank you, so much. Guess I'll have to trust and send the mouse back if I have any issue. Just out of curiosity, did you buy any of your mice in max gaming? If so, do you have a good experience?
Thank you for the response again, and I genuinely hope your channel grows :p
@simonwithanaccent I havent used maxgaming myself but i know some who have and they've had a good experience. I'm in the UK and we have different sites for orders here. Thanks for the kind words 🙏 if you are worried, try to pay through paypal, they give you good protection
Which skates do you have on the HTX? Just ordered mine, looking to change the stock skates asap
Hey Jonah, great choice! I have the tiger ice skates for the viper mini installed currently. They fit quite well. Before that i threw on some tiger ice dots and they were fine too. I prefer the viper mini skates in case you were wondering - it helps balance out the light weight of the mouse by giving more feedback from the pad. Whereas the dots provide no feedback and super fast glide. all preference at the end of the day 🫡
Send me your discord and I'll send a pic of the viper mini skates on the htx, its not a perfect fit but its pretty darn close
Do any of these support wired and Bluetooth connectivity?
Hey Milly, all wireless mice in this video are useable with a wire (I do it sometimes when I want to play and the battery is flat.
I don't think any of them (except the orochi!) are bluetooth compatible but I would check the website for the one you're interested in because it's possible I'm wrong.
@@LogPileGaming Thanks mate! I just picked up an Aria after debating on the Orochi. Seems like a good well-rounder for every situation I can think of (PC, mobile, deck)
@millyawns I've heard good things about the Aria! The egg shapes are very underrated. I'd have stuck with the orochi longer if it wasnt so top heavy and if it was a touch longer (both of those issues i understand to be ok with the aria). Solid choice 🫡
Hello Log
Hey there Jason 👋
@@LogPileGaming these videos are good Log, keep it going
@Jason I appreciate you man, I'm also enjoying this little "Hello" game we have going 🤣
what laptop stand do you use?
it was just a cheap one from amazon, called the BoYata
I really need a good AFFORDABLE fingertip mouse :/
Keychron M4 or the End Game Gear OP1we - trust me, either are great. I've reviewed tyhe M4 recently. OP1we review will come in due course.
Soy pobre
Bye Bye 🧏