Charlie Adelson’s Former Friends Weigh In On Jailhouse Calls
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- Опубликовано: 20 дек 2023
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After 9+ years, Donna Adelson appeared in a Tallahassee courtroom to hear the charges levied against her, including murder, in the conspiracy to kill her ex son-in-law FSU Law Professor Dan Markel.
The following day her son Charlie Adelson was sentenced to life in prison without parole.
Now Charlie’s jailhouse calls are out there making people wonder if Donna and Charlie could turn on Wendi?
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They took everything from Dan Markel, his life, his sons, even his last name from his children, yet they have a pity party for themselves. Donna, the mother of the century was planning to leave it all behind and start her life over in Thailand while whining that the boys have outgrown her. My sympathy is for the Markels.
Rob Adelson said the family joke growing up was "Charlie is never wrong, because Charlie is always right". He'd just talk until you relented.
Thank you for confiirming that Ruth saw the boys. I understand that not much can be said, but the fact that Ruth said it went well is fantastic news ❤❤❤
The ugliness & projected story on Markel visit with 😮 another instance of them convincing themselves (or believing Witch 🧙♀️ Wendi info/lies
The Adelsons can't comprehend the amount of caring, compassion, & acting in best interest of children, that have been kept away too long, & how Markels put boys & what's best for them FIRST. Adelsons can't, are unable to receive that concept.
It's ugliness. I firmly believe the boys will eventually get the true picture. I hope, in case it takes until they're in their 40's, for example, that Ruth & Phil can take solace in 😮 knowing that time will come... even if after they're gone. Trust in God.
I was happy to hear that
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Yeah but it supervised I don’t no why but it sad because that was for Wendi mom but Dan parents are surprised I think judge is an ass to except that to not right they old list 10 years because of Wendy it fair they have to be watched when it was Donna who Dan didn’t want around her kids but it Ruth it nasty of Wendi doing that
QQQ: Why should we believe Wendy had to approve the $1M offer to Dan but not know a thing about the murder?
And know his schedule
Good question!!!
Exactly!!
I wonder if 'getting Dan to South Beach ' was code for .'..we can divide the cost three ways on the hit.'
@@MM-qp4pd Charlie’s guilty verdict proves otherwise.
I like how Charlie's favorite phrase is: You know the crazy thing is... The "crazy thing" is you!
Ya but his most favorite saying is, wait for it…..
“Holy Shit”
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I’m sorry, but if you are willing to murder a great man and take him away from his children in every way, possible, then I think Charlie’s son is better off without him. That is not someone who is a good role model and it’s mind blowing to me that he can talk about what he won’t be able to do with his son when he murdered his nephews’ dad. My heart goes out to Roman and I hope that he grows into a loving, respectful, honest man and father one day. ❤
I agree . I wonder will their ever be realisation as to the results of his actions for those poor boys all of them. I hope they never blame themselves or think it's their fault for being born and their parents arguing over them that led to this? Theirs also Katie's kids who lost a mother and father. 😢
Charlie denied the boy was his son for 4 years I believe. He’s a bloody joke & the mother must be nuts 😵💫😵💫
What made him a great man,, he was a narcissist
He abused windy mentally,, Dan Markle was also a spoiled brat if he couldn't have his way he made every one around him miserable..
I support t g e adelsons
Because everyone has passed judgment from day one
I can’t imagine being better off without a Dad than with a Dad. Must be u grew up with a Dad and have no clue how fatherless kids feel. Lucky.
@@Njvghvvnn you’re right. I can’t. I do know what it feels like to wonder “what if”. Angry much?
Donna manipulated Harvey and Charlie. Charlie manipulated Katie. Katie manipulated Sigfredo. Sigfredo manipulated Luis. And Wendi… she manipulated all the family. She is the Maestro. She’s one of those people that has no feelings at all.
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She really does try to come off a little bit innocent ding dongy, but we do have to remember she graduated magna cum laude
So she could have orchestrated this from the get-go. They probably don't even know to this day that she was the Maestro.
Ya I actually feel bad for Charlie I know I’m alone here but I do
@@laurenhoffman2751he’s a piece of garbage. He’s exactly where he belongs. He feels nothing about his crime, only what happened to him
I don’t understand why Ryan is being platformed…….
He’s a very negative, energy-draining guest. I LOVE STS, but he isn’t a good fit.
@@AskAlex1999agree
He comes across as a thug. The business sounds like loan sharking? Didn't he also go on sexual tourism trips with Charlie? WHY is no one asking him about this?
@@energeticsoulhealer888he was asked last time and wouldn’t answer.
I’m sick of hearing about Charlies poor son, yes. It’s awful-but they chose this. The whole family.
Katie and Sigfredo’s children also lost both parents. Garcia has kids.
This guy was the mastermind behind this whole plot and he took 2 kids wonderful father away and dragged other children into it. His son is better off without the Adelson’s. It’s not sad. He’s LUCKY. trust me.
I’d feel worse for Charlie’s poor son if Charlie was out of jail 😂😂
Omg I totally agree 🎉❤
@@Katiekay. seriously. I feel 0 sympathy when I hear Charlie speak or cry, or talk to his son. Literally 0. This was one of the most senseless murders orchestrated by a raving narcissist. He wouldn’t even be talking to Bree if he was still free! I’m with Ryan, let’s get the rest on trial so they can all go away. So sick of him talking about how everyone but his Family is awful. It’s preposterous!
Didn’t Charlie refuse to pay child support, take the baby momma to court, and refuse to help his child obtain health insurance?
Romans mother took Charlie to court to prove paternity and to get him to pay maintenance. Up to the point Charlie was denying his involvement - funny that! Pattern maybe…..!?
@@josimpson7999- I'm pretty sure Charlie took her to court as well. He definitely did not support his child until absolutely forced to do so by the courts.
But guys, Charlie always wanted to be a dad per his known recorded calls with his parents! He is such a total asshat.
Yup he got a 24 year old
@@claymac7895yup he trying to protest he’s a good dad to he’s son and that he’s karma
My hobby is to scroll through the comments & give a thumbs up down to anyone who complains about the channel, the content, etc and chastise them for not being grateful for the FREE video we’re all enjoying, in our homes (work, car,…not jail) where we have electricity, running water, food on the table, hopefully good health, family, friends, etc.. without having done a single thing to create, edit, broadcast the show! Will you all help me spread #Gratitude today? Do it everywhere! We need to be grateful! So, STS thank you for today’s show! It was enlightening. #JusticeforDanMarkel!
I think you meant thumbs down, not up.
And I agree - people bitch and moan about all kinds of trivial things...not grateful at all.
Agree - with note that complaining about Ryan's history of bigoted comments is an exception to this. Imo, those aren't small things.
Dr. Jay is a stand up guy, he did so well carrying this interview in the end by himself and his answers are very fair and honest. I'm sure your wife is proud of you Dr. Jay! As a wife myself, Im glad you said "My wife told me not to say anything stupid" lol❤
Thank you! 🙏🏼 and I’ll forward the complement to her. She’ll appreciate it. 😊
@@tntnationwide Thank you for your response and relaying the compliment to your wife! Happy holidays!
One of the recent guests said that this crime saga has now become a Shakespearean tragedy. Charlie surmising his life losses and current situation is indeed tragic to hear.
Just so happy the boys got to see Dan's parents. I knew all of my great-grandparents and can't imagine not having that joy in my life.
Where I am, a lot of those "joys" can't wait for their grandparents to kick the bucket.
I love what the one guest said about Charlie convincing himself that the whole thing was justified.
Charlie probably thinks the jail recording announcement isn't any different than "the this call maybe monitored" announcement you get when you call customer service at Walmart.
I just watched the Luis Rivera interview from 10/04/2016 where there are 4 people plus Rivera in the room. Rivera speaks about the day before the murder. Garcia and Rivera driving down Trescot and seeing Wendi walking with the boys on Trescot. Garcia pointing out that was the woman they were doing this for. Rivera asked what the hell she was doing there and Garcia telling him it was because Wendi didn’t believe they were there to do the job and she wanted to see for herself. When all of the Adelson have been arrested and convicted there will be true justice. Of course she knew.
Never mind the "there is no code" code about the "broken tv" (the broken relationship) and the "repair man" (the hit man reparing the damage done by Jibbers. Mr. Jibberjabber.) Or even Charlie's "jokes" about getting Wendi a tv rather than hiring a hit man. Which, in fact, we know now, he actually did do. No joke. Back to July 18, 2014. Wendi drives the very long way to the liquor store way out of her way onto Trescott 1 hour *after* the shooting. Sees the tape. Police cars. Near Dan's house. Turns around. Drives to the liquor store for "bulliet" whiskey. Right after 2 *bullets* have gone into Dan's head. Coincidence. Then to lunch. Police show up at lunch and take her in. Apparently, while in the police vehicle, she asks, "Am I a suspect,? without being told what has happened. An odd question.Then she is interviewed some three hours after the shooting and is then told that her ex has been shot. Shock! Horrir! Then the so- called hysterics begin, punctuated with precise questions and various lucid remarks, punctuated again with fake sobbing and laughs and grins and fake sobs etc. Even saying that she knows that the Markel family would not want any "heroic measures" to prolong Dan's life. Nope. Pull the plug. Best he dies. Later, during the jail calls with Donna, Charlie reveals all. He says ,"she, meaning Wendi, just could not help herself". Q: From what? A: From driving way out of her way to the liquor store over to Trescott in order to see if the hit had happened at the arranged time of @ 11AM. The same time Wendi assumed Jeff was supposed to be driving by near Tresscot on his way to Tennessee. Coincidence. Apparently she did this because there was a previous attempt at a hit in June but that was a fail and it cost the Family 50 Gs. She didn't want the family to get stiffed again. Value for money. Make sure job is done. Donna charged. In jail. Awaiting trial. 5 people. 3 of which are serving life with no parole. One charged. Two not arrested. Wendi. The one whose family arranged to have her Jibbers"problem" solved via murder. And Daddy. With all the money. Ready with Donna to leave it all behind. Forever. Because after all, they are "innocent". At least Wendi has those fabulous blue contact lenses. Look! How beautiful! Proof. She's obviously innocent.
*Those fabulous contact lenses* comment made me laugh, hahaha! WA is 100% behind this tragedy, I think she wanted the kids to be killed also it was LR who refused to hurt them in the second attemp ( remember the A's paid a previous hit man 50.000 but he took the money n run. )
@@musicbrazilian7065OH! Hadn't thought about that,the kids getting murdered also! But,yes that way she'd be totally free of everything connected to Dan and what he loved,was important to him!!
@manjay wendi supposedly drove way out of her way to the liquor store cause she was the one appointed to bring certain liquor "Bullet"whatever,which she according to wendi doesn't drink,yet she had been drinking and not eating which caused her to throw up at the table in the restaurant!!!!😮 And I believe when that was repeated to charlie at trial he "corrected"the person and said she made it to the bathroom or proper place, something like that as I understood it.
Jay is a good guy. I am glad you have him in as a guest.
Yea! The best was to hear that Ruth got to see her grandsons! 😊
Best news in a while re: this entire situation.
Jeff said that Wendi drank like a fish. If so, she knew of liquor stores closer than ABC.
Maybe she was a wine-drinker, not a drinker of spirits. From the Sarah Boone case, I understand that Floridians can purchase wines at their local Publix grocery store -- no need to visit a special liquor distributor.
@@u.synlig I googled Publix, and it appears that they sell Bulleit bourbon too. Maybe someone could confirm this, but this would completely destroy Wendi’s alibi for going to ABC.
Charlie’s calls, and especially this one, should be played to every high school student. In fact, it should be part of the curriculum, to be studied and discussed as a prime example of consequences of extreme actions. “How not to solve a problem : 101”
And it wasn’t even his problem to solve, it was his sister’s. Second lesson: mind your own business
100% agree. It is so sad to see so many lives wasted. These calls put “life in prison” into such horrific perspective. It makes me think the death penalty would be better and I’m not an advocate of the death penalty.
And teach them daily skills. High school kids don’t know reading, writing or arithmetic. And they need to know how to give change and know how to use a check book. Since Covid. Kids grades are below what they should be.
Dan was the man who knew too much about all of them.
Not to mention he was at such a higher level than them, academically, psychologically, spiritually, emotionally, maturity, & what kind of good people he & his family are; which imo, created a lot of Jealousy. To the point of grinding at their dysfunctional nerves. And their narcissism, arrogance, envy, self absorption, self centeredness & .... well, their ugliness caused anger, hate & bitterness, which led to all of this. If Wendi was truly "bright," she would have known what a great benefit that was & would have been to the boys. But that circles back around to what they care about the most...themselves.
@@spitfire_33Bravo! Yes, 100%
Barbara ~ There is an entire book in your single sentence. 💫
I bet Rob is thanking God every night he got out of his vile parents clutches.
Including the Adelson's not reporting all income which Wendi, Charlie and Dona knew Dan was aware of. I think the Adelson's were very concerned about Dan reporting it.
TY Joel, for mentioning Jeff. I do hope when he feels comfortable, he will share more of his story. He seems to be caught up in the middle and gaslighted; as being a scorned ex, possibly set up to be the fall guy, not doing enough of pre-warning law enforcement or extremely paranoid. Often happens to victims/witnesses of crimes. Jeff was right on, when he disclosed, CA, needs to be investigated, it took 9 years later to prove Jeff true.
I hate it when people blame Jeff for not going to the police earlier. Hindsight people! Jeff was so valuable in the solving of this case. I wish everything good for him.
“Should we get married?”
CRICKETS
“Just kidding”
So cringe
When a prison that is a LIFER ... gets quiet when you mention marriage ... and you are the mother of his son ... CHARlie is truly FULL of himself!!
@@coconut3656 it was like we heard his panic. 🤣
He is such a tool.
Then she is so scared she spooked him?! Just kidding!
No. You weren’t. Which is so concerning….
He’s such a catch! Jesus.
He's holding out for better prospects, He didn't want her on the outside and he doesn't want her now. Really pathetic.
Jay oozes class, character and kindness. Sort of the opposite of Charlie actually.
Calm down over there! We can see you drooling! 😂😂😂 (jk)
@@AidaShawJ.D. Hmm, in hindsight- 'oozes' is a goofy word choice I guess... But basically wanted his wife to know her concerns are quite unfounded. :)
I appreciate it! I’ll forward that nice comment over to my wife…she’ll love it!
It might be the added benefit that Charlie didn’t try to SUE him for $2 million and destory his career. As far as Jay is concerned he still sees Charlie as a frat friend from his college days. Ryan on the other hand was Charlie’s business partner. Those are two very different dynamics.
Dr. Jay seems like a really decent, likeable guy. I'll bet the kids actually enjoy interacting with him as their dentist. (I wish I'd had a "Dr. Jay" for a dentist, instead of Dr. Appelbaum -- who gave me a horror of dental appointments as a child!)
Ryan is not believable he continues to come on STS yet when asked a hard question he doesn’t answer. Seems shady to me.
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Absolutly. I noticed this and there is something about him. I would not trust or believe him. He is a real shady guy.
@@i.a.2247as soon as I see heis on I don't watch. Lyan Ryan. I don't believe a word he says
He probably does owe charlie a lot of money
As a non American it is weird to me that the prison authorities make all these calls public and they end up on You tube listened to by millions around the world.
It's only a select number of calls which are released as part of the Discovery process and because this is Florida. This is why we haven't heard call content prior to 6 November 2023 and why we're not expecting them to release many more unless they are calls which the judge allows in at the trial
Florida holds nothing back😂.
It got a little too hot for Ryan. He seemed ruffled and bailed quickly when the questions got hard. He’s as shady as Charlie
He's just convinced himself that paying for it absolves him. After all, he didn't actually DO IT.
Dr Jay! I love how you addressed questions, so very careful how you answered, while trying to be respectful. At this point, my respect for Charly is gone. You are better than me.
Dr. Jay seems like such a nice level headed man compared to Charlie! Hard to believe they were in same profession and classes!
Dr JAY…thank you for contributing. Your perspective was amazing.
Happy to be here!
Love Richard Gabriel and Dr. Jay! Two excellent guests! 😊
Caught this on replay and so glad that I did. Thank you Joel and the rest of the panel. I agree that Charlie is mostly crying for himself but the loss of a father/son is very sad due to his own horrific choices. Dr. Jay was a pleasure to listen to. He was so respectful and his answers showed what a decent human he is. Thank your wife again for letting you come on and share. Your morals/character showed through brightly. Refreshing to see….. thank you again. Hard topic- close to home for you.
Bree says “Roman comes first” but she’s DOESN’T believe that at all.
Charlie and Bree come first.
Glad to see Dr. Jay back on! Congratulations to you and your wife on the baby! 🎉🎉🎉
What is so damning js not whether the liquor store was out of the way - we often go longer to what is familiar - but it’s that - 1. she contradicted herself on the stand and 2. She was on the phone with Charlie at time (and mom prior or after) and only once mentions being on phone and distracted but never again (for fear of them asking who she was on phone with!), and 3. Was supposed to be meeting with Dan and not having lunch with someone else but hadn’t heard back from him so what else could have been on her mind when driving that close ? But oh maybe I haven’t heard from Dan cuz there is crime scene tape and 4. Never asks about kids and 5, totally un-believable non-crying in interview in a nanosecond before it could have even landed.
On and on. She will get indicted. She will be found guilty. She will go to prison.
Update: she was on phone with a different guy named Jeff at time of pulling up to house at 12:46. Seven minutes go by before she gets back on phone. In that time the same Lawyer Jeff K. Called back but no connection made. I think she either wanted to digest the crime scene tape privately or made a call to Charlie on a burner phone or WhatsApp, confirming it was done.
I hope you right 🙏
Maybe you know, I'm from upstate New York, and things done different down south, but why was she going to a liquor store, to buy a bottle to take to a restaurant?
@shersull1002 She s not buying for that lunch, she bought for a party she go to in the evening.
I cant believe some people still believe she s innocent. Maybe they are just like her.
Thanks for another excellent show! I'm watching on replay.
Love @aalegalfocus
Amazing guests, as always!! thanks Joel
CA Will be telling that story over and over and over again to everybody in that jail cell who will listen
Oh, they'll be telling him to stfu! It's unbearable repeating, like a broken record; dwelling & marinating in self-pity, with nonstop regurgitation over & over & over ... ad nauseum ! 🥱 🙈🙉🙊
Ryan sounds like a liar
Absolutely.. friends like him who needs enemies. When Charlie quit helping him Ryan screwed him.. facts , this dude is just as shady
He was nervous when asked what's your beef between him and Charlie?
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Totally!!
Bri is like "should we get married" while seeing $$$$$ w/o hum around
Everyone is feeling sorry for Charlie and his kid... What about the markle boys, their grandparents who have lost both grand kids and son, Katherine's two kids who hand lost both parents... At least Charlie's son has one parent and is well provided for.
He denied he was his son for years 😳😳😵💫😵💫
Fun show! Thanks Dr. J.
I appreciate every thing. The smell of fresh brewed coffee, a window open in my bedroom, my slippers, my little dog...that is why i would never want to take it from someone else
There is no way Charlie or Donna are going to turn on Wendi. If they did they would have to admit they were involved. Looking forward to Donna’s defence will be the same as Charlie’s just deny, deny any involvement. I hope that Wendi does get arrested, tried and found guilty and her 2 boys end up with the Dan Markel’s sister.
I wouldn’t put money on that!
Charlie is itching to drop Wendi in it and when Donna dies he will definitely blow the whistle on her - if not before. There’s no statute of limitations on 1st degree murder, so he can bide his time.
You couldn't be more wrong.... there is NO way Charlie will sit quietly in his concrete box for the next 50 years....he will SING from the mountains once the reality dawns on him that he will never see the light of day again without turning in the mastermind with the most to gain, who is obviously Wendi.
Charlie will very likely flip. He's already very angry at Wendi, thinking she put him in it from the start by her drive to Trescott and he's in an excrement covered cell while she's also out there living her best life and he knows she has ghosted him. He may also flip if he can get Donna off the hook or (unlikely) a light sentence, or a less dangerous prison for himself if one even exists.
Even Donna might flip if/when found guilty, this is a woman who bears grudges, she ghosted he eldest son, allegedly had Dan killed, and now Wendi's ghosted her and her fave son after all she sees herself as having done for Wendi her whole life.
You’re my favorite. I work night shift at a hospital and I listen to your show all night.
Jay, you did great on the show today. Not as nervous as last time! All the best for the holidays.👏🏻✨
Thanks! Yes limited my words…aware of ‘likes’ and ‘ums’…and I told my mom to keep an eye out for it. Haha
@tntnationwide LOL!
I wouldn't believe everthing Ryan says.
Ryan joining Charlie on some of these Colombian/Asian sex tours is pretty lowbrow.. You are the sum of 5 people closest to you so no escaping his unflattering friendship with Charlie. Hope he is reforming and maturing.
He was young, Charlie buying everyone/anyone in his life. I think Ryan got a rude awakening. We've all had a "friend" who was a mistake.
Oh but don't ya know " He's Good Looking" lol
Me neither. He freaks me out. Can not understand why people think so high about him.
I wouldn't believe anything he says
Didn’t Charlie initially want nothing to do with his son ie child support etc?
Kudos to Dr. Jay for shutting down gossiping. I’ve been seeing hurtful things said here and on other true crime pods about innocent people which I don’t understand. Hasn’t this tragedy caused enough grief and pain? Hate begets hate and the cream rises to the top. Peace.
What comments? I m on catch up though so maybe I ll see it later on in the video
@@sula1529 I think you can see or hear on replay. Plus I was on a Fanci Fiction live yesterday and although she does great work there were a lot of hateful people in the live chat. I unsubscribed to her previously but thought I’d give it another try. It’s just not for me. Peace
I 2nd that...he handled that well, and he went to bat for him in regards to Charlie making those dental mistakes.
Thank for this comment. Yeah, it's nice to see some rational thought and focus on the whole person, in spite of ill deeds.
Now Charlie can understand how the Markels feel, the loss, sadness, sorrow! In a sense they’re in a prison of their emotions
He prevented Dan Markel from ever hugging his kids!!! I have zero sympathy for him. I don’t know the kid. That kid at least has a mom who is not Wendi.
To complain about looking thru glass⁉️ The Markels would love to see their son!
@@spitfire_33Right? They still have it better than poor Dan! They’re monsters! And, yet, they believed they were better than the man who was taking care of his kids! That’s all he wanted! The day CA was arrested was a great day! I’ve been following this case from the very beginning even though I live in CA. The injustice in that family being free for so long when everyone knew they had something to do with it. They are not bright. They’re self absorbed assjoles who surround themselves with less-smart people. Until they met Georgia Kapelman! 💪🏾💪🏾
I think Charlie is convinced there wasn’t enough evidence to convict him, I don’t think he’s convinced himself that his extortion defense was true, he never mentions it
Its fine for Ryan to come on. But not suprising Charlie was a dbag and he hung out with dbags (ex Ryan) It is true he never really answers tough questions. Just the same line Chalies in prison and he is not. He doesnt add much. He probably did take money from Charlie but consider the company he kept. Noticed how quick he bowed out.
There’s no way a dentist is writing scripts for anabolic steroids. He was buying them online and reselling them.
Any new prisoner claiming innocence is immediately admired, and showered with empathy!!
Great show! I especially enjoyed Dr Jay.
It's too bad that Charlie didn't think about the Markels never being able to see or hug their son again, before he decided to take Dan's life. I just really don't feel sorry for him.
Ryan tried to contact Bri nit the other way around. He got out of there fast. Joel talked about working with him , I hope not. If anything work with Dr. Jay he seems like a great person
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QQQ Did Ryan partake in the illegal behavior with underage girls on any sexual tourism trips with Charlie? Are we to believe he toed the line, and stayed in the hotel room while Charlie was being a sick f*ck with young girls?
Also, it sounds like Ryan was some sort of loan shark? Seems shady, and everyone legitimizes him, without vetting him properly. Is he the creepy guy Jeff Lacasse was talking about who was Charlie's friend, but didn't know his name, etc? Almost told Detective Isom to look into him as a suspect, etc? I think it was a special forces guy? Was he referring to Ryan Fitzpatrick?
I don't trust him....
I am with Ryan I am so sick of hearing about the Adelson’s but I did like to hear from Ryan and the other panelists Great show!!👍
Can’t wait to hear, how mom and son are doing since they can’t communicate any more. Hopefully it happens soon on STS🌺
Love Dr. Jay!!! You ROCK!!! 🚀💥 Thank you, Brooke for sharing your hubby with us. Will be sending love and light as you prepare to bring your baby into the world. Congrats to your lovely family!!! 🙏😇💫💙
Aloha from North Shore, O’ahu! Great show!! Mahalo! P.S. Ryan looks like our homeboy Jason Momoa who is on island right now promoting his vodka!
I'm so glad your event went well!!!
Great show. TY! Enjoyed hearing the guest’s perspective.
Charlie is talking in these phone calls because he is trying to re-litigate his case, nothing he’s saying is true, this is all for public consumption. The problem is Charlie can’t keep it straight. He is unwittingly incriminating his Family as well as himself. The very fact he never mentions blackmail or Katie’s part negates everything that was presented as his defense.
Perfectly said!!!
calling his mum "dude"... that alone shows how depraved this family is
Charlie sounds like he us going through the stsges of grief. This case is such a tragedy for so many families.
I like Ryan, but why does he keep come on the show If he doesn’t want to hear about or talk about the Adelsons any more
Have you noticed Charlie going through the five stages of grief?
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
They don't always go in order, either.
Is their ever realisation of what they have done ?
Interesting perspective! And...EKR's "Five Stages of Grief" were originally conceived as a response to discovering and living with a catastrophic illness, not to death and dying, per se. Although, it's easy to see how the two are related. And am thinking how both apply to CA.
He’s clearly still in denial , even though his anger is there , but wait til he gets to the bargain stage , that is connected to hope …. He’s not going to go down alone .. I think we are going to see a lot more things going down over the next year.
He stuck in anger right now…
You’ve GOT to keep Ryan off these serious presentations STS! You are taking your awesome show into compromised zone. When things ALL come out, you’ll regret engaging with this man.
I agree the guy is morally decrepid
Oh please Charlie as a periodontist all you have to do is look at June's teeth. That'll give you any clue you need
How does being both mean and petty makes life better? Legit question.
The common themes of Charlie's calls are blaming the people of Tallahassee, blaming Georgia Cappelman, and shock that he was convicted.
Very wise on the part of the jury keeping anonymous 👍
Yes don't give the defense any reason to question them. I do hope the jurors went and talked to Georgia Cappleman.
Great Show as always!! I was so glad when Ryan left!! ohh my goodness!!
If anything good comes out of this, Charlie will write a memoir in prison. A cautionary tale.
That is quite hilarious Dr Jay. Makes total sense now about your first appearance. 😊
Why wouldn’t Ryan answer why he is contacting/bothering Bree on her Instagram since the conviction? Interesting he exited once those questions were coming in.
You obviously did not listen. He said he wants nothing to do with her.
Yes that’s why he asked her why she isn’t answering him? Hmmm
What is wrong in contacting somebody you have alwayd been in contact with?? Even if he pokes a little bit after no reply, is that a crime?? He knows whats up as they were all in a circle of freinds. So lets not make a big deal about what a woman who is still under the clutches of her murdering baby daddy, who hates on all except " yes men n women". I may poke at anybody still supporting Charlie while calling other people liars with no remorse
QQQ Did Ryan partake in the illegal behavior with underage girls on any sexual tourism trips with Charlie? Are we to believe he toed the line, and stayed in the hotel room while Charlie was being a sick f*ck with young girls?
Also, it sounds like Ryan was some sort of loan shark? Seems shady, and everyone legitimizes him, without vetting him properly. Is he the creepy guy Jeff Lacasse was talking about who was Charlie's friend, but didn't know his name, etc? Almost told Detective Isom to look into him as a suspect, etc? I think it was a special forces guy? Was he referring to Ryan Fitzpatrick?
I don't trust him....
I don’t know too much about Ryan’s position, but I did notice he left pretty damn sharpish!
I’m soooo glad to hear Ruth got to have a visit ❤
I think that the jurors, the news people, everyone, is in agreement that until justice is done, that all parties involved must be held accountable, that they must keep quiet, and let the prosecution keep working on bringing EVERYONE to justice.
Charlie couldn't care less about Brie, and she's so oblivious to that. I hope she gets some self-esteem soon. To hear her be so loyal and encouraging to him is cringe.
I don't trust Ryan he is lying and hiding alot of nasty deeds that they both did ps stay off the steroids gross
I do not trust Ryan at all. He first said he didn’t have any anger towards Charlie. then he said Charlie destroyed his career. There is something very cage about him.
It is quite annoying how is presented like a super hero.
@@spitfire_33he knew about the murder years ago and did NOTHING
Another great show
With regard to driving down Trescott… I agree that driving down your old neighborhood is not the surprising action of a normal human being. The three issues that make it suspicious is that the liquor store was definitely way out of the way from where she lived and where she was going, she lied about the extent of how far down Trescott she drove and finally, once realizing something was amiss near her former home and where her children had spent the night it’s hard to believe she did not investigate further and just continues on to her lunch date without checking further. Initially she responded that it was a shortcut (which it is not) why not just say it’s my children’s other home and I have developed the habit of driving by or something of the truth rather than pretend it’s a shortcut.
Exactly….She knew she did go to the crime scene because she seen tape…the tape was not on Centerville Rd and Trescott…It was right at Danny’s mailbox….To not go to investigate if it had to do with her exs house where all the police activity was going on is beyond me…I am a mother of 3 and if my exs house had police tape and activity I would be asking some questions to make sure my children were ok and not assume….She is full of crap
Google 2116 Treacott Dr and you will see the distance from Centerville Rd to Danny’s house…pretty long street and no way she seen tape on Centerville Road that avoided her from turning due to tape 🙄
Hopefully the world gets the xmas or New year present of WA arrested !!!!
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Ryan says ya they out talking about me as he is doing just that about charlie 😂
How can you miss a mom who was willing to flee the country and let you rot in jail. She didnt even go to court to support him.
It's like Charlie will be living in his own coffin, buried alive and we're listening to his laments. Bizarre literature unfolding in real time.
I recommend taking your family to Quebec City during Carnival, you can visit the Plains of Abraham, the ice hotel (hotel de glace) and historic old Quebec City is amazing, great family fun and very very cold, dress in full snow suit
So agree, as a Canadian, Montreal and Quebec City are the best Cities.
Thanks for sharing good guests joel.
I hope your book tour brings you to Europe 🙏🏻 I would love to see you guys make an appearance in Germany!! Great show as always … and btw, we always sleep with our two rescue 🐶 Gigi & Roxy ❤️
Have we heard from the Markels about their visit with Lincoln and Benjamin? I have been praying for a Wonderful and Peaceful reunion!
I think it’s pathetic that this guy never married this poor woman after having his baby. When she made that joke about, let’s get married, so you can have more visits, she was probably being serious. Women don’t joke about stuff like that. It. I’ve just feel so sorry for her and her son … he’s such a loser.
He denied that boy was his for years. Absolutely nuts 😳
Hopefully Bri is just going through the motions as a way of securing a trust fund for her son before he blows all his money on useless appeals.
I agree.
She tried to make it sound like a joke but I thought she was serious and was fishing for his response - well she got it, silence. He wouldn’t have married her if he were free and he’s still not interested. If that doesn’t show you what he thinks of you, I don’t know what will.
women like HER , his child’s mother ? JUST a gold digger
I’m afraid Charley’s female friends are all materialistic and shallow & Brie is the same. Why bring the subject of marriage up? Particularly when he feels alone & vulnerable. I’m sure it would be very beneficial to Brie in the event of his death. More likely - given his situation. Hate to say it, but thats the nature of his friends & hangers on. Look at Janice “I’m taking the TV’s”!!!
Dr Jay offers an interesting perspective of Charlie from dental school days. Thanks STS….
I’d like to know why Ryan thought it was appropriate to text Bri after the verdict and ask how she is doing. Ryan seems to be as much of a sleazeball as Charlie.
Maybe trying to get invited on more shows to have something new to talk about. If your done with Charlie then be done with all.
Appropriate? Are you sleazy Charlie groupie
Finally someone who thinks the same way as I do. I totallly do not trust him. There is something about him ...
@@i.a.2247 Something is very off with him. I don’t trust him at all. And to reach out to the mother of Charlie’s child to rattle her chain was disgusting!!
Absolutly. He should not be given a platform here at all. Can not unerstand why so many think what a great guy he is.@@AndiLee75
P.S. You and Jay show empathy. And I love that. It doesn't mean you don't believe in justice, it means you can imagine yourself in those circumstances.
Grew up with them too. Can't wait to see who's coming on the show on Tuesday 👀
Joel has such an excellent sense of humor 😂
Honestly these Ryan Fitzpatrick comments strike me as a bit anti-gentile. Ryan knew parts of Charlie that I guarantee no one else knows as well. I love his insight into Charlie’s life back in 2014, and later the arrest, trial and the case. I think he’s brave and that Joel knows what he’s doing. Love ya Joel & your Mom! ❤