I see that this build is sort of similar to mine, mine's an art deco style steamer, here's what I've encountered during my build: Big wheels are bugged, they slip and they also reduce/bottleneck your speed, tried everything I could to get more speed but the best I could do was to have a 4-8-6 configuration where the front and rear wheels (small and medium respectively) are drive wheels and the middle ones are just for show. (This configuration isn't necessarily the best is just for style) Your boilers won't heat up in sync, the one closer to the firebox will heat up faster than the others, using pumps helps a little but there's always gonna be a boiler that will heat up slower than the others, there may be a way to get around this but I decided to keep it like that for my build. You'll also may find it tricky to place pressure relief valves for each boiler if you plan on linking all the steam outlets together. This last one may not be useful since I'm using small wheels in my steamer but watch out for them, they seem to eat your boiler pressure like there's no tomorrow, I have three boilers feeding them and the ones at the rear in my train and the pressure stabilises around 3-4-2 for each boiler no matter what I do. You may encounter the same problem with boiler pressure given you have several pistons but I'm not sure.
Thanks for the info, yeah the large wheels suck right now :( I'm hoping for a small update to fix them the rest of the issues might have random fixes but we'll see :)
@@FranticMatty hopefully, I'll follow this new build series to see what can I learn to make mine faster and more efficient, your content is great as usual too, keep the good work!
Love the ambition! Nothing wrong with doing crazy things and finding out how things work out. Steam power in the game is probably the most complicated thing to try to figure out, there are so many variables that are all affecting other variables that affect the first variables. If you can figure out how they all interact, and get everything to work together, steam can be used for nearly everything and be much cheaper that any other power source in the game.
I think the 3 boiler aproach is pretty genius, imagine if 1 boiler explodes, u can just shut off the steam supply to that one to prevent further damage, and continue on the other 2 remaining boilers
You're going to have issues with the boilers and the condensers. The condensers work best when they can get the coolest coolant circulating through them. The foremost condenser will work great as it has the most direct "clean" airflow passing by the radiators. The one behind that is picking up heated air from the boiler directly in front of it and the last one is picking up even more heated air from the two boilers in front of that. That will decrease the efficiency of the 2nd and 3rd boilers because boilers work better the cooler the water that's put into them is. But you also are doing a direct feed of a large tank into an already full boiler meaning there's more water going to the boiler than it could ever hope to hold, meaning you will struggle to regulate the pressure. The boilers only have so much capacity as far as pressure and water. The more water there is, the more steam it'll produce, if there's more steam being made than being let out, it'll explode. If you control the addition of water to the boilers, then you can prevent the guaranteed explosions. Having the tanks on a control valve in allows you to control the fluid content in the boilers, meaning you get to play it a bit more fine tuned by ear. Having them directly connected to the line is just like not having them at all, they get used up and vented out and you're left with all the steam and water it will hold. Any additional venting via whistle or sudden pressure spike will be unrecoverable fluid loss you could have added back with a valve control instead. Also, I'm pretty sure you can't add boilers in a consecutive series like you're claiming. You can add turbines like that, but not boilers. Boilers have the steam out, water in ports. You can't blow steam in to a water in port that I know of. Lastly, just personal opinion, you might want to swap out the small steam wheels on the very front and back for flanged wheels. They're just as minimalistic but they serve an additional function of at least attempting to grip the rails laterally. Meaning they don't have the little steam bar pegs sticking out of the side, but they won't try to slide over the ground instead of in the track. Sorry, lastly lastly, just know that you'll run into the same issue over and over and it's something that I haven't found a solution for. All 3 boilers will heat up out of sync. I've never been able to get multiple boilers to heat up in unison and they're usually about 3 degrees and the smallest difference to about 15 degrees at the largest difference. This means differing pressures and all sorts of other issues. But just keep that in mind that you may need a microcontroller to help control all 3 to heat up at the same time/rate.
For the boilers not beings same temperature, it can depend on their distance from the firebox and/or the flow of coolant into them. The closer a boiler is to the firebox, the more it will heat up, even without the coolant lines attached. If all 3 boilers are connected to the same firebox, there will be flow issues where one will get more than the others so the heat transfer is different. Using a fluid meter to adjust a valve to equalize the pressure of all 3 will help solve the issue.
Personally, my favorite steam train of all time is the "Union Pacific Big Boy 4014" The largest train of all time, it reminds of of this train, I think it should be black, because the Big boy is to, also its a common color for steam trains, i think the wheels should be a mettalic grayish or black.
This would have the same wheel arrangement as the prr t1 if you remove the front drive wheels.your engine has a 4-4-4-8-4 wheel arrangement a prr t1 has a 4-4-4-4 wheel arrangement
And speaking of a giant steam locomotives I built one so big that it had 10 large wheels and six small wheels on each side I had to modify the size of the build area just to fit it
It reminds me a huge steam locomotive on US, it was so big it had two separate wheel sets, with the front set not being connected to the boiler, seeing this locomotive take a turn was kind of weird. I don't think condensers are the best option, but anyways, it saves more water than just blow out steam from the pistons
We've had several like that. Namely the simple articulated types, most famous of which being Union Pacific 4014 "Big Boy". Definitely not the only type of simple articulated though; you had monsters like the Chesapeake & Ohio Railroad's Allegheny's (my personal favorite articulateds), Challengers which were ran by several railroads, etc. Big steam locomotives with multiple sets of drivers NOT articulated would be PRR's T1, which was a 4-4-4-4.
It is a 4-8-8-4 configuration, but it's a little cursed... Some could argue that it is a 12-8-2 configuration. I think the latter one is the more accurate.
Oh come on! I just started building The Erie Triplex because there weren’t many on the workshop. Your stealing my thunder! (Jk, hopefully you do better then I have been.)
I Need help I’m building a train with two medium engines and when I turn on the starter my game crashes but it’s only when I do it on my train. Also it only happens on the train tracks and I can do it with a workshop train. Any ideas
Hey can you go to sprocket and make a tank where there is a lot of crew remind me in a lot of crew I mean all the crew that you can get please please please please please please plzzzzz
Depending on the look maybe an LMS Black Livery, thinking of how the Garrett, a huge steam locomotive they had, was in black
Yeah i think that would look great
I see that this build is sort of similar to mine, mine's an art deco style steamer, here's what I've encountered during my build:
Big wheels are bugged, they slip and they also reduce/bottleneck your speed, tried everything I could to get more speed but the best I could do was to have a 4-8-6 configuration where the front and rear wheels (small and medium respectively) are drive wheels and the middle ones are just for show. (This configuration isn't necessarily the best is just for style)
Your boilers won't heat up in sync, the one closer to the firebox will heat up faster than the others, using pumps helps a little but there's always gonna be a boiler that will heat up slower than the others, there may be a way to get around this but I decided to keep it like that for my build. You'll also may find it tricky to place pressure relief valves for each boiler if you plan on linking all the steam outlets together.
This last one may not be useful since I'm using small wheels in my steamer but watch out for them, they seem to eat your boiler pressure like there's no tomorrow, I have three boilers feeding them and the ones at the rear in my train and the pressure stabilises around 3-4-2 for each boiler no matter what I do. You may encounter the same problem with boiler pressure given you have several pistons but I'm not sure.
Thanks for the info, yeah the large wheels suck right now :( I'm hoping for a small update to fix them the rest of the issues might have random fixes but we'll see :)
@@FranticMatty hopefully, I'll follow this new build series to see what can I learn to make mine faster and more efficient, your content is great as usual too, keep the good work!
@@FranticMatty Please make it tank where you have the maximum crew that you can do
Love the ambition! Nothing wrong with doing crazy things and finding out how things work out.
Steam power in the game is probably the most complicated thing to try to figure out, there are so many variables that are all affecting other variables that affect the first variables. If you can figure out how they all interact, and get everything to work together, steam can be used for nearly everything and be much cheaper that any other power source in the game.
I think the 3 boiler aproach is pretty genius, imagine if 1 boiler explodes, u can just shut off the steam supply to that one to prevent further damage, and continue on the other 2 remaining boilers
Yea but a lot of stuff to watch
@@dornog70 ye true
You're going to have issues with the boilers and the condensers. The condensers work best when they can get the coolest coolant circulating through them. The foremost condenser will work great as it has the most direct "clean" airflow passing by the radiators. The one behind that is picking up heated air from the boiler directly in front of it and the last one is picking up even more heated air from the two boilers in front of that. That will decrease the efficiency of the 2nd and 3rd boilers because boilers work better the cooler the water that's put into them is. But you also are doing a direct feed of a large tank into an already full boiler meaning there's more water going to the boiler than it could ever hope to hold, meaning you will struggle to regulate the pressure. The boilers only have so much capacity as far as pressure and water. The more water there is, the more steam it'll produce, if there's more steam being made than being let out, it'll explode. If you control the addition of water to the boilers, then you can prevent the guaranteed explosions. Having the tanks on a control valve in allows you to control the fluid content in the boilers, meaning you get to play it a bit more fine tuned by ear. Having them directly connected to the line is just like not having them at all, they get used up and vented out and you're left with all the steam and water it will hold. Any additional venting via whistle or sudden pressure spike will be unrecoverable fluid loss you could have added back with a valve control instead.
Also, I'm pretty sure you can't add boilers in a consecutive series like you're claiming. You can add turbines like that, but not boilers. Boilers have the steam out, water in ports. You can't blow steam in to a water in port that I know of. Lastly, just personal opinion, you might want to swap out the small steam wheels on the very front and back for flanged wheels. They're just as minimalistic but they serve an additional function of at least attempting to grip the rails laterally. Meaning they don't have the little steam bar pegs sticking out of the side, but they won't try to slide over the ground instead of in the track.
Sorry, lastly lastly, just know that you'll run into the same issue over and over and it's something that I haven't found a solution for. All 3 boilers will heat up out of sync. I've never been able to get multiple boilers to heat up in unison and they're usually about 3 degrees and the smallest difference to about 15 degrees at the largest difference. This means differing pressures and all sorts of other issues. But just keep that in mind that you may need a microcontroller to help control all 3 to heat up at the same time/rate.
For the boilers not beings same temperature, it can depend on their distance from the firebox and/or the flow of coolant into them. The closer a boiler is to the firebox, the more it will heat up, even without the coolant lines attached. If all 3 boilers are connected to the same firebox, there will be flow issues where one will get more than the others so the heat transfer is different. Using a fluid meter to adjust a valve to equalize the pressure of all 3 will help solve the issue.
I quite liked the green and kaki of the small shunter, so perhaps that. Alternatively, the Browish red of the PRR looks quite nice.
Cant wait to see how this beast of the railway is going to shape up?
I love how he just casually builds one of the most awesome builds I've ever seen
This sound like a really fun project as put ing 4 boilers in a steam locomotive sound like a lot of power. I am really curious what this might be.
Maybe the next train you make could be a old western steam train
Hey frantic I think you should only have two or three medium wheels and possibly,POSSIBLY one more big wheel?
Generally you'd want smaller driving wheels for more pulling power, while bigger wheels give more speed. Just something to keep in mind
I think it should be a dark grey if it’s a bulky freight locomotive, but if it is a very sleek train, color it with bright colored stripes
i think it should a red and gold color somewhat like the train in Harry Potter
Personally, my favorite steam train of all time is the "Union Pacific Big Boy 4014" The largest train of all time, it reminds of of this train, I think it should be black, because the Big boy is to, also its a common color for steam trains, i think the wheels should be a mettalic grayish or black.
Largest locomotive*. Train means the locomotive and all the rolling stock
It was also not the heaviest, not the one with the highest tractive effort and not the most powerful as well (I assume)
You build the pipe for the middle Pistion so that it interacts with the connection rood of the weels
This would have the same wheel arrangement as the prr t1 if you remove the front drive wheels.your engine has a 4-4-4-8-4 wheel arrangement a prr t1 has a 4-4-4-4 wheel arrangement
If you want this engine to haul a lot, add four wheels on each side, if you want speed, just add two
The hit box on the steam piston is weird and you can go through it
@frantic build the flying Scotsman pls
I'm realy liking these trains, keep up the good work!
Stormworks has train stuffs? (Desire to build articulated locomotive intensifies)
And speaking of a giant steam locomotives I built one so big that it had 10 large wheels and six small wheels on each side I had to modify the size of the build area just to fit it
Remember BIG engines needs a BIG tender
cant wait for frantic's 7th train to be built
It reminds me a huge steam locomotive on US, it was so big it had two separate wheel sets, with the front set not being connected to the boiler, seeing this locomotive take a turn was kind of weird.
I don't think condensers are the best option, but anyways, it saves more water than just blow out steam from the pistons
We've had several like that. Namely the simple articulated types, most famous of which being Union Pacific 4014 "Big Boy". Definitely not the only type of simple articulated though; you had monsters like the Chesapeake & Ohio Railroad's Allegheny's (my personal favorite articulateds), Challengers which were ran by several railroads, etc. Big steam locomotives with multiple sets of drivers NOT articulated would be PRR's T1, which was a 4-4-4-4.
Frantic made me do math...
I hate math.
Big boy?
It is a 4-8-8-4 configuration, but it's a little cursed... Some could argue that it is a 12-8-2 configuration. I think the latter one is the more accurate.
YES
A red and black colour scheme would work well
For gaining traction dont open the throttle all the way, open it a little bit and slowly keep opening it as you go
Indeed however large wheels in game are broken and never get traction
Weird, they should add sanders
Oh come on! I just started building The Erie Triplex because there weren’t many on the workshop. Your stealing my thunder! (Jk, hopefully you do better then I have been.)
black like the UP big boy should totally be the color
@Frantic please make it tank where you have the maximum crew that you can do
It could look green and gold/yellow? Ithink that would look great
I wonder when they will fix the loco/train explosion bug
Have you ever heard the "big boy" this is the "Bigger boy"
I'm thinking either green,blue or like a maroon colour
You should make the train colour a black like the ones in real life
I Need help I’m building a train with two medium engines and when I turn on the starter my game crashes but it’s only when I do it on my train. Also it only happens on the train tracks and I can do it with a workshop train. Any ideas
Do you have the engine connected directly to the wheels?
It might be an issue if you have both engines connected together.
This looks epic
I think it should be blue with gold wheels and a black smoke box.
looks almost like the union pacific big boy
As a segestion can you make it the union pasific big boy btw keep it up and continue the amazing content
i think black would look good
You should make this a proper train
can you do a duplex steam locomotive next
Sorry, but I think it's wrong to have 3 different wheels. Maybe try a 4/6/6/4 as it's just the start of the building project and then make a Vote.
I wanted this, I hoped for a larger train and it happened
Also colour it like the big boy American loco
honestly, reminds me of the Big Boy
is this going to be the union Pacific big boy?
are you going to update the queen of rails?
I want it look like a big boy union pacific train so the color is black
hey love your vid
a nice gun metal colour
Looks like this steam engine is a triplex its humongous and has many wheels
Caledonian blue is my favorite color
Broooo that’s awsome
Can you Bild a big boy In stormworks ? The engine is a 2-8-8-2
MORE!!!
Make it the color of the Pacific Big boy
A black grayish color of the steam engine and a grayish white end of it infront
Do you just play stormworks all day every day 😂
sick. im erlay
3:48 Black and yellow
Make a american diesel train
Malard blue
Oh, and WHATS WITH THE FLYING FACES
Hallo frantic
Remake that really old steam train you did a long time ago
A triplex? Are You MAD? (This is a joke)
Not mad... frantic....😁
"on the second day" :(
Do a 2-4-4-0 instead
Make the new queen of poo
Red
Sup
I'll take 5 for my raill way the north south western northern raillway
tnswer North South wester Eastern raillway
Train
Make it a black engine with gold accents and a big soviet red star on the front. I think for the size it would look nice
Big boy off of wish
belu
The wheels in the front are very unrealistic. Otherwise cool. How do this thing even make it around turns
you should update your 1st train
Me: thinks he is going to finish the aircaft carrier and the bomber,
Frantic:HeY GUyS wErE GoInG tO bUild A gIGanTic StEam TRaIn!
And the buoy boat and the jet bomber and the Cargo ship…
Cargo ship and jet bomber are done :) the buoy boat will never be done
@@FranticMatty workshop time?
black
Hey can you go to sprocket and make a tank where there is a lot of crew remind me in a lot of crew I mean all the crew that you can get please please please please please please plzzzzz
I really don't like the setup. A duplex usually is the limit. Mixing all the wheels also doesn't look too good.
that is the ugleist triplex i have ever seen. try puting said last few pipes over the wheels
First
This isn’t gona get hearted by frantic or get 10 likes also 4th
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