It's gonna be way harder to find childhood games in 20 years, I still can't find the gamecube games I want to find now. in 20 years, ooh boy it's gonna be hard.
The hunt is part of the fun... and keep in mind there are a LOT of people hunting too, maybe some of them will make their finds available to others, so expect to see a lot more become available in the years to come. Keep looking and you will find.
the depressing thing is, is that eventually those disks aren't gonna work anymore :( There's only so many games, eventually some of them are gonna just stop working, more people will be collecting them, I feel that eventually every single game will become rare at some point in time
Well that's depressing, luckily for me I have most of the games that I want, somewhere around 500 titles; but I have about 100 more that I want. Almost there.
The funny thing is is that super smash bros and Mario kart 8 for Wii U at my local used game store cost $11 and $10. It's like people gave up on the Wii U entirely
Step 1: Buy the most reliable Xbox 360 you can, all the key landmark titles Step 2: Install the largest HDD you can Step 3: Patch them all right now Step 4: Pack neatly away if you can, potentially remove the bios battery Step 5: Wait 10-15 years Step 6: Profit
Hard disk drives will fail in time. Most last about 10 years...some more some less. There is no guarantee a 25 year old disk in a system will spin up after being in storage.Even optical disks can fail in time.
Seizing up hasn't been a problem for me but the media decaying due to the read/write cycles is a real problem with older drives. I image the drives so it is not too much of a problem and already know alternatives for storage though I refuse to use shitty SD cards in DOS. As long the drive is kept in a good place and doesn't already have a lot of use on it the drive will last after all people are still finding good MFM and RLL drives these days. The computer history museum is working on restoring a IBM ramac 305 to working order if they haven't already finished.
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20 years from now, we'll still be getting remasters of Skyrim, but collectors will spend time and effort sourcing a working Xbox 360 and an original copy of the game.
I think we'll see an expedited timeline to your model for the more recent hard copies due to the digital download age and because the retro scene is a thing now. 20 years was a very long time just for people to know they wanna collect - while now prices can go up much quicker. Add that to the fact that the next couple generations will be digital and physical copies become more important.
Excellent video. The more complex games with more complex technologies will be more difficult to collect. Classic cars are a good example, newer cars with complex electronics and computers will be very difficult to maintain and replace.
Retro gaming has been going on for a long time. My father bought a Magnavox Odyssey 2 when they were still new and as the unit was being discontinued we managed to buy most of the cartridges for maybe 5 or 10 bucks a pop. That Odyssey 2 continued to be used through the 80's, the 90's when my uncle briefly took possession of it, the 2000's and the 2010's. Retro gaming is what Lower Middle Class people have always done. I call it "poor people gaming." This has recently become trendy for wealthier people as retro gaming. People of modest means get what they get. They still go to thrift stores in 2017 and buy the cheapest toys and video games for their kids, and they still get hand-me-downs from their relatives. Something funny happened, though. Speaking to you as a computer software developer, modern games largely suck. There are some exceptions, but I don't like anything I see on Twitch aside from Super Mario Maker and Grand Theft Auto V. The older, hand-me-down games are actually better than today's $60 titles. What makes a game good is playability, and older games had that in spades. But there is also a selection bias because there was a lot of garbage in the 1980's, too. Those games have had time to be thrown away. What we're left with is the best of what was available then. Edit: I guess you're calling selection bias survivor bias. Two sides of the same coin.
John goats. Yeah. I feal like the effect of quality was overlooked here. What systems do you think will be considered classics in 100 years and which do you think will not age well?
i saw a video where a guy compared retro game availability and the film uncle buck, where films have constant re-releases on every new form of technology that can play a movie, why cant we see a quiet re-release of duck hunt for everything going, no fanfare no massive deal, just it apprears on storefronts and people can get it
Well, there's (or rather, was) Nintendo Virtual Console. The problem with what you suggest is that while movies can generally be played on a wide variety of devices, video games can't, because publishers are very jealous of their IPs and want customers to go to *their* walled garden, not the competition's, even in the case of older titles (with the rare exception).
very true, but thats right now, who knows how this all will play out in the future, i can envisage a time when companies use each others stores to push wares, especially for very old games, duck hunt isnt going to make little jimmy desperately want a new nintendo console but he may just pick it up on that shiny new amazon machine in 20 years
Yeah, indeed there's hope. Or you could have a look at the Retropie project and make a very inexpensive emulation computer with a Raspberry Pi. It'll play anything up to the SNES and some N64 and PSX games, although the performance on those emulators is a bit hit or miss and requires some fiddling around with options to get them to work properly. Unfortunately you won't be able to enjoy light gun games such as Duck Hunt, but regular ones work just fine.
im a pc gamer, so dont take what im about to say too seriousley... the pi project is not going to go mainstream within our generation, its our kids that will take that concept and run with it, but only once they have grown a little, the idea of a child pestering their parents for a buntch of components so they can steel a load of content from a major corporation is not going to be mainstream very soon, the reality is that the mainstream, will be easy to use, widely available, and legally clear. buying an old video game in a store is great but its going to get rarer and the expense is going to push that practice to niche audiences, companies see how much people want retro games, nintendo have said outright that they know theres an appetite for these games, so what will happen is companies will take it over and deliver a better service, more conveniently to help scratch thew retro itch for most people, true retro gaming with the original hardware will be limited to enthusiasts and everyone else will view games just like we view movies, old ones will have people who love them but dont want a full on reel to reel projector to play them, they just want to turn on whats current and watch their old school movies
Oh, don't misunderstand me, I'm well aware that Retropie and Raspberry Pi in general are stuff made for tinkerers and not for someone who wants to pick a game up and just play it. But it's what we have.
When all the people, who played on an NES as a child, have passed away, will there still be a significant demand for it outside of museums? I honestly can't say. We'll just have to wait and see. I'm not worried, when it comes to games, that are not availabe on physical media anymore. As there are now ROMs and ISOs available on the web, I'm sure there will be a way to get to that game data in 50 years as well. And there will be means of playing it, may it be modification of original hardware or emulation.
According to PatTheNESPunk, NES games collecting really started of in 2003 when it started becoming a thing. He did build an almost full NES Set from 1998 to 2003 when price started to skyrocket on certain rarer game. He did found Nintendo World Championship cartridge in a garage sale.
One thing I saw with the dreamcast is there was online online content for single player games. There is websites now to connect online that simulate that connection so you can upload that content to your vmu. This we may see something similar with more modern systems.
The recent mark up on retro games has really spoiled the hobby for me. The level of competition and huge number of resellers is just depressing. I'm so tired of seeing garbage common games marked $5+
Went for retro pc and bought a lot of the choice goodies before the prices went insane on some parts but was way too late for the choice ISA sound cards with some selling for over $400. Still fun though to end up with two limited edition GTX 295s so I ended up owning two out of only 500 made (EVGA Reds) and they overclock better than the normal cards.
scyther1 it really agitates me, I have a Dreamcast and have had the same onw since 2000. Because I was a child and didn't take care of my discs too much, i only own a total of 9 or 10 actually official real complete games! Simply because the games have become too expensive to acquire for me...
CKT1138 I remember right after the D.C. was discontinued the game prices plummeted. I picked up Grandia 2 for $7.99 from EB games back then. I'm amazed at how expensive the games have become.
I feel like physical games will always be around and profitable because even if someone plays a lot of games digitally,. If they really like a certain game, they may pick it up physically at a store some years down the road.
I kick myself for trading in my 20+ NES games in the mid-1990s at FuncoLand to buy a few newer games of the era. I also wish I bought some used SNES and NES games at stores for dirt cheap prices in the early 2000s. Its funny, at the time I saw it as old junk that no one wants anymore. Who knew demand was going to increase in 15 to 25 years after original release. I am not sure if retro gaming is going to be a big thing in the future because so many games that are released in stores today are not the full game. The disc is just a product key to unlock a full game download off the internet. Another thing is gaming developers are releasing broken and unfinished games on disc, so you need to login to the internet to get the finished product. Just like the "Halo: Master Chief Collection" disaster.
UK based, I have dabbled in both Classic Cars and Retro gaming. For me, retro gaming was about rediscovering games from my Youth, so Sinclair Spectrum (Worked evenings at a fruit and veg vendor while I was still at school to save up for it) and the "object of desire" and Atari 8 bit (bought with first pay packet, 800xl and tape drive from one of the clearout bundles Atari had when Jack Trameil bought Atari) and the never could even look at as I know I could not afford it, Amiga. that is my 3 machines. I think that it this is pretty much true of most people, they start with the machine they had or played with as a kid, then they either - Buy the rival in the playground wars to see what the "enemy machine" was like (here in the UK, it was Spectrum vs Commodore 64, then ST vs Amiga) - Buy the machine the never could afford/get but so wanted. I see with classic cars it is a bit different, it is the desirable stuff that was impractical for every day, or high end stuff that has survived. High end cars are sought after, desired, available (your survivor bias) the car you dad had on the other hand, have almost disappeared off the roads entirely. If you see a Triumph Herald these days, it is a cabriolet/convertible, it is an attractive looking fun car that is OK in modern traffic but affordable to run (but not buy). I almost never see an Austin 1100/1300 despite being good card in their day and the nations best seller. Any Mk 1 or Mk2 Ford Cortina I do see will be a Lotus model (or now upgraded to that spec). Going by posters on peoples walls in the 80's, if the Tessarossa and Lamborghini countache are likely to be the most sought after (despite both being terrible cars to maintain and drive in anything but a straight line). The Ford XR3i (escort mk 3/4 models) however seems to be barely seen as the boy racers/ricers have ruined most of them.
I think a lot of the retro gaming trend started with Nintendo and their Wii Virtual Console service. They didn't charge full price but they did charge a premium. However, despite that, it was a convenient and legal way for to rediscover some old games and I wouldn't be surprised if it fueled much of the retro nostalgia that people have today.
❗I think you're right. I didn't care much for 'Alex Kidd: Miracle World' until I saw it on the VC. It was that that made me think of the old games I used to play.
I guess the nostalgia train and retro cycles will more or less end with the PS3/ 360.. current gen will never be part of retro collecting at all... it will just be revisited digitally without physical media
One of the biggest issues these days is games that are 3 years old or on the last gen are being labelled as "retro" and being hyper inflated because it's a few years old and people assume that it's old and it must be worth something. Part of the issue from my perspective is balanced between eBay sellers and sellers on Amazon/game noticed a game is no longer offered and they decided to charge nearly full price for it because there is 1 on eBay. Example, I have a copy of the "Metal gear solid legacy edition" sealed... I've seen it going for £200-400... it was £30 brand new last year. I could be wrong but this is just my brief opinion on the situation.
Personally I've been more interested in retro gaming lately because the current generation of games just aren't as fun. More time & effort is put into graphics & story but the game play development has fallen to the wayside. Obviously that's a generalization but from pure observation I find it accurate.
Thanks for making this video. It's interesting how many people say that the PS4 and Xbox One is the Last console generation. People are saying that the PS5 is coming. Retro gaming is like any other collecting as you mentioned.
I am glad I start collecting Xbox, PSP, PS2 and PS3 early, because not every game I wanted was available online. I could find sealed games for a very cheap price :)
I think it would be interesting to see which online games are still being played in 20 years time. I hope people make private servers to keep games online like you see now with things like Phantasy Star Online and the Halo PC games.
-fighting games Marvel vs Capcom 2 -open sandbox games Rockstar games -rpg's final fantasy games Games like these have almost unlimited replay value. for example marvel vs capcom 2 came out in 1999 on the dreamcast. til this day there is still a strong competitive community for that game. only the well designed will survive. since physical media is being used less and less the will just be forgotten to time
In my honest opinion, the retro gaming will die out or concentrate mostly on what is retro right now. You are absolutely right that it is comparable to other industries, and what I see now with the car industy, or electronic entertaining or something that is said to be worth of collecting right now is that it's modern part is made more and more disposable. Producers lose money if you clinch on your old pice of hard- or software, because you are less likely to buy a new thing when it comes out. And without you spending enough time to grow attatched to it, you will not feel nostalgia once it is obsolete.
Simple answer - EVERY console available RIGHT NOW in 2017 will be 'retro' in 20 years as they will be as old as the N64 and PSX/original PlayStation are to us today.
I know I can't say what was the beginning date for the rise of retro gaming, but it does coincide with the late 90s, early 00s NES scene online. That was when everyone started scavenging their funcoland bins for rarities. But I can tell you 100% the retro gaming bubble started in 2012. I started collecting a bit before 09, but primarily that year. I'm still kicking myself for not buying more before so many games shot up in price during 2012.
I think the influence of nostalgia on the retro market is overstated here. Also, the influence of quality is understated. Some games and consoles are said to "age well". This is because they are better than other games. I think that the 8 and 16 bit era consoles are going to be considered clasics in 100 years just as a 1915 rolls royce is still considered a classic. The ps2 will not be a classic and neither will any 1980 honda
Nothing wrong with emulation, even though collectors will disagree. In my opinion the whole retro gaming movement owes a large chunk of its popularity to all the good (and free!) emulators that have been appearing since the late 90's.
milkbullet what do you think sega's stance is on reproduction carts? (well any publisher, really) they don't want to invest in rereleases, i get it, but the components are cheaper now than they've ever been. they could do a print on demand type setup
milkbullet, I know where you're coming from but emulators are not 100%. Compare mednafen's PSX core (which is the best IMO) to the integrated PSX chipset on a PS3 and you'll see what you're missing. Either in accuracy or in latency the original hardware is superior for those that can afford it.
Most retro gamers enjoy the hobby for the gameplay and don't care about a few pixels being a wrong color or a practically unnoticeable lag on control inputs.
But to emulate, you still need to dump the game into a file or disc image. Back in the day copy protection methods were annoying too and with online dependencies or the restriction management of the locked up online stores of today things are getting worse for playability in the future. And you still have to find a way around the DRM-madness. So, to give credit where credit is due. We need a hacking and cracking scene as lively as back in the 80's and 90's. Those were the guys, who were protecting huge parts of the more obscure games and systems from extinction. Without the crackers who were trying to outdo there rivals in matters of new releases, cracking intros (the spawned the demo scene) or trainers, retro gaming wouldn't be the same (heck, even many big developers like DICE of today came from that scene). And exactly that's the way we have to go, to be able to play current games in the future. Since the only incentive of the publishers and game developers themselves is money. A putting your faith in them to protect the games you like, will end in the loss of many games.
NES had a lot of games that had no polish & were very buggy to play. The NES has a lot of charm, though. It was probably the last system that had gritty 2D games as the next generations' 2D games were way more playable & felt way less hacked together. Nothing like the SNES & Genesis which seemed to have way higher standards.
I personally remember seeing ataris, colecos, and intellivisions at yard sales. As far as clearouts or price drops at the retail level, I was too young to take notice , but I'm sure it was there. significantly higher sales numbers would be why the nes would stand out. There's still alot of them around.
My retro era is '97~'07. GB Pocket, GBC, PS2, PSP, Palm PDAs and PC. It'll be easy for me in lots of ways, but it's already hard to play older PC games on current OS', not to mention PDA software. (I still have my PDAs and I have several XP era computers and laptops for older PC games)
Interesting note: many games that featured online multiplayer during the sixth generation (Dreamcast, Xbox, Gamecube, PS2) are being supported by fan servers. Perhaps modern games that rely heavily on the web will receive a similar treatment. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, that means more niche titles are unlikely to see common playability.
You already can't get the "full experience" of the late '90s arena shooters for the PC, because even if you get online with them, the players are so few and their skill levels so incredibly high that they're worthless as the sort of semi-casual experiences they were in 1996-2005. You can never bring back a QuakeWorld GameSpy server from 1998. Those players, that culture, the whole mindset of ordinary people just hanging out on a server and playing Quake together is gone forever. These games still exist, but they're not the same games anymore because the players are part of the game.
There's only one thing I fear in 2037. Dudes seeking old bloatware out of App Stores and Play Stores. Don't mention the aftermatch of the RUclips's kids content. Fuck, at least I've been born right on time, otherwise I'd be utterly brainwashed and filled with spooky fetishes.
It's really tough to say what might happen in the future. Interest in gaming has risen dramatically in the past 20 years. Along with that, game sale numbers have also risen, meaning there are more copies of current games (typically) than most 'retro' games. What it comes down to for me? Collect what you want to collect, and if the collection isn't bringing you joy anymore, it's time to reduce. Everyone is different so it really is anybody's guess what will be valuable in the future. Obscurities? The 'best' games? Low-print games? Hilariously bad games? One thing for sure is that a majority of games will be accessible via emulation (hardware or software) if prices for physical exceeds your personal budget.
retro gaming was with us in 2000 for cerain. I would say it arrived with the ps1 generation of games. I can remember ebay in 2000 and there was a big retro scene
Cool vid, thanks, Colin! I saw a copy of Contra for Gameboy once at a game shop for 40$ and I thought that was ridiculous. I dunno if in accordance to the current market that was fair or not, but that bummed me out 'cause I'd thought part of the appeal of collecting vintage anything was saving money. :/
For me I've almost always had an urge to collect older games and toys that I never had a chance to get when I was younger, but more recently I've been focusing a lot more on the gaming side of that. Having barely turned 20 I have both advantages and disadvantages to when I actually started gaming. I started with my first game, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team back when both that game and the DSLite were both recent and brand spanking new respectively (Pokemon Diamond and Pearl weren't even out yet and you could still find Emerald new in GameStop so it was sometime after June 11th and a bit before September) but as I was new to the scene so I didn't know about all the games that were out there I might love that were possibly cheap as hell in pawn shops or other similar stores. Still, even then I wanted to pad out my backlog of GBA games as I kept searching for the older pokemon GBA titles (got Leafgreen but wasn't allowed to get the aforementioned Emerald in-store despite trying to let my parents know this chance wouldn't come again because of the GBA being on the way out...guess who was right). As the years went by I kept learning of more GBA games I wanted and even yearned for getting my hands on the original GBA model (SP was never my thing and GB and GBC didn't and still mostly haven't caught my interest much especially with the Virtual Console on the rise) but with time passing they either got harder to find (as people started collecting), pricier (as they realized their old games were worth more than before), both at the same time, or even higher quality fakes and reproductions (I'm fine with the latter due to the difference being that they tell you up front) making it riskier to buy online despite the better availability said Internet brings. Now, I go to pawn shops and collector's stores like a sane person worried about getting stiffed online would, but I still cant help but think about the times when these older systems and games were much cheaper and readily available and feel like I missed out because I was simply too young to capitalize on it. Luckily for me emulation is advancing further and further as time goes on along with new ways of getting similar or the same design of controllers being made so getting to at least experience the game as close to the original as possible is becoming easier than it ever used to be.
Have you heard of Pure Faction? It is a community of modders which play multiplayer Red Faction online. It is a very interesting situation. They are one of the original fps retro gamers.
Regarding retro first person shooters: Battlefield 1942, a 2002 game I really enjoyed back when and picked up many years later again for a while. The listing servers have been shut off by EA long time ago. These are required for listing actual game servers and basically finding servers and players on them. The community around that game came up with a solution and runs their own listing servers now. However, people feeling nostalgic about the game can't just pop in their old CDs and dive into the action, they actually have to do some research, what community patches they need and so forth. Battlefield 1942 is here to stay as long as there are enough people interested in playing it.
I always get tired of my collections sitting there untouched collecting dust so I tell myself what's the point of keeping them and start selling.. later I get nostalgic again and start buying the same stuff that I sold and spend more money, .... it's a plague!
You have to Keep in mind that an original NES console was probably the only Device with a real CPU in most households in the mid 1980s, these consoles were a completely different and novel type of entertainment. As a kid, they were the only interaction many of us had with any form of digital entertainment... Contrast that with today, Now you can entertain yourself with a tablet, a gameboy, a laptop and a console, and whatever other 1080p entertainment gadget they've invented since I started typing this... The nostalgia isn't liable to be focused on consoles in the future..You have to ask things like... Are today's kids really going to want to buy an iphone 3g and play 'angry birds' again in 20 years... maybe, who knows?
Will you really be able to do retro with games that need to connect to patch servers, DLC servers, and so on that simply will not exist 20 years from now? I wonder if there will be server emulation in 20 years where you connect to a server that tricks your "retro" console into thinking its connected to the PSN or XBL?
I strongly believe that retro gaming as it stands now will be a dead or much smaller market by 2035 or so, based on current trends in the retro gaming market and the current prices of games and systems that would follow the "nostalgia" bell curve. As of this point in time (2020), non-collector-centric NES and SNES games has begun to drop in value, which I believe is because the general population's nostalgia has moved on from the SNES era of gaming into the late '90s and early 2000s era. GCN titles in particular have quickly shot up, mostly due to external influences (namely the Coronavirus stimulus checks) but also because we're in the era where kids from the GCN era have money to burn and want to play those same games again. Looking at pricing trends throughout the history of retro video game collecting, the following generations of games have remained consistently inexpensive. Popular Wii titles and the systems have consistently remained under the fifty dollar mark, along with NDS systems and games remaining under the forty dollar mark on average. I believe that because the Wii era has remained inexpensive throughout the rise of video game collecting, it won't see too much of a resurgence as a viable market because of those prices constantly remaining low. Popular GCN titles have consistently held their values around the thirty to fifty dollar mark until recently, but because Wii games haven't really held their value as well, I don't expect to see the same kind of boom around 2025-2030 as GCN and N64 games have recently. And because the GCN era is the last really strong video game generational market, I think the lack of strength that the following generations of gaming have will see the decline of retro gaming as a strong market like it is now, and by 2035 we'll return back to a similar market from 2010, when retro game collecting was a nickel-dime sort of hobby as opposed to an investment like it is now. I would like to note that the reason I use Nintendo consoles to reference generations of gaming is not just out of a personal interest in Nintendo, but because I believe game collecting is largely Nintendo collecting, as Nintendo games have remained to be the most consistently expensive and most sought after games in the retro game collecting scene, and therefore have been the backbone of the retro game market. Once Nintendo collecting falls out of favor, retro game collecting will fall out, too.
Emulation is one solution, not sure how people feel about it though. Some games are over $100 and I don't have the money for that. Emulation allows you to play the games, when games are so scarce/expensive.
my childhood was around the Xbox and PlayStation 2 and gamecube, and collecting for me consists of games from my childhood like timesplitters or the wacky accessories that came with the systems. But today's consoles don't have that same appeal to me because they are all generally the same now, back then each console has a unique design or aspect to their system, but now every console is just going for the 60 fps 4k blue ray and online store functionality and that's it, sure PlayStation has the vr available but I see console vrs heading the way of the virtual boy
I'll admit I love Nintendo for trying new things like the 3DS (I have the Amazon New 3DSXL version and I love using the 3D on it) but the console isn't as interesting, it's nothing more than a Nvidia Shield Tablet with detachable buttons and a kickstand. Credit where it's due, at least they did something different from the competition.
Venom415 Can't recall the last time I ever saw a Shield tablet running cartridges but ok whatever floats you boat, man. ;p Either way I see the Switch and Shield as being very different in actual application with the Shield being geared towards more PC like things and the Switch a more strictly gaming focused device along with being more powerful from what I hear (apparently it can't run Skyrim on its own from what I read) along with the pretty neat Joycons; I mean you can't say that you can pass a full half of your controller and play legitimate multi-player with any other controller. Sure they're lacking some form factor as a result but it's pretty clear what dome of the differences are at a glance.
Atomic Robo Tesla Well the Shield tablet doesn't need cartridges because it uses your PCs library :) Also I don't know what you mean by geared towards PC things since its more of an amped up android tablet than a PC, its meant for productivity and media and other things you would use your phone for but it also plays games from your PC. The Switch to me feels very simplified like apple and it is more aimed at just pure gaming and some sharing aspects. I would love it if Nintendo released different shaped or designed joycons or docks for the switch or different physical attachments for the dock/switch as that would add to its collectible value in the future, but for now its just a simplified Shield Tablet without the bells and whistles. And leon musial Im sure the holo lens will be as expensive if not more than the current VR headsets since it is delving into a different aspect of virtual gaming, but I know many people cant afford good pc and they buy a console and theres nothing wrong with that, I feel that in time as the PC gets stronger with newer hardware and software for VR, consoles will also be able to reach a proper VR experience on the cheap, lets hope!
Another problem that we will surely experience also if phisical media will remain and we will be able to get original hardware is the fact that today all games need more than a patch because they are released "broken".Some of them are totally broke n or un playable without them.With server down it will be impossible to use them.
I agree that much of people's obsession with collecting is generational but the best games leap beyond generations. People will play and seek out the best for the fun and the coolness factor. Anyone not having fun w/ 4 Player Warlords or Sprint on Atari 2600 is not a real gamer. It goes beyond graphics but look for the milestones in transitions. Oldest will always be worth more than newest.
I actually went to "retro" stores back in the early 2000s and tried to pick up N64 and Snes games and even back then the good ones were pretty expensive. I remember paying 30€ just for Pokemon Stadium 2 alone. Sure, the retro fever has caused everything to skyrocket in price, even shitty games aren't cheap anymore, if they are old enough, but the good games that people liked have never been cheap.
I think retro gaming in the future will be defined by those _HD Remastered_ versions of games alongside side projects such as the NES Mini. Other variants include releasing other titles on platforms like Steam and mobile stores, SEGA does so all the time and now with SEGA Forever, things go even further. There's most likely still a market for vintage consoles at that point but the majority of things will go digital and co-exist with all the other games that get released every few days. So is my impresson at least but of course things suddenly could also turn by 180° and no one wants digital stuff anymore because the traditional ways are so outdated that it becomes exciting again to have a real cartridge or disc in hands.
I really enjoyed this Video and have thought a few times about the point you make about how PS3/XB360 Gaming will be like in 20 years from now. 'Battlefield 1943' was one of my favourite Games of that Generation but it was Online-only. Released in 2009, servers were still FULL in mid-2017 just before I sold my PS3. Think I'll be able to play it in 2027? Of course not but I can still play NES Games or even disc-based PS3 Games. And of course, as you say, Developers will only re-release Games that will make them money so most titles will be stuck on PS3/mid-2000s a la Sega's Master System with it's Games stuck in the late 80s/early 90s.
Well, I usually play on a PC and there, things are way more open than on consoles. With the right tricks and software, you can make almost any game run even from the first days of DOS. Therefore, games you have on a hard drive will be playable in many years too so you don't have the problem with incompatible hardware. Also, I don't think that the declining use of physical distribution will stop retro gaming: The distributors, developers, and sometimes even the users make backup copies and dig them up later and these games can be played. I've only heard of it, but people managed to run their own servers of "World of Warcraft", so this may happen with other online titles too. And finally, looking at the indie game market, there could happen something like in the art market: Many famous painters and artists weren't recognized when they lived, but many years later, collectors found their paintings and were astounded by their works. Maybe, some retro gamers will search through the backups of the long gone Steam library and find incredible pieces. Maybe this will happen. Maybe not. Who knows? All I want to say is, that if there is a desire to play old games, people will find a way to do so. Now and in 20 years!
Current generation consoles use more or less x86 hardware and the Switch is basically ARM. Emulation will be the saviour of classic games and if Windows does drop Win32 application support in favour of the new UWP, then Wine or similar projects will keep classic gaming alive. I grew up on PC, though I had a Sega Mega Drive and though it brings nostalgia, it's nothing compared to those first moments playing StarCraft or C&C on the PC. I guess there will be many people collecting the ISOs or ROM files on their local servers and keep history alive this way, or at least that's what I'm trying to do.
i think retro gaming will be similar to what it is now. of course some titles will come and go and i think the pricing will probably go up as certain items will becomer more rare as time goes on. it will be interesting to see how the "retro gaming industry" will be affected as gamers now get older. an original NES system is getting harder to find in thrift stores/used record stores, so maybe people will lean towards emulation in the future.. i hope at least some of my rambling makes sense haha cool video and interesting topic. :)
FPGAs will be increasingly important for console enthusiasts. Software emulation will only be acceptable for ultra rare hardware like arcade cabinets. Sega will still be licencing out horrible clone emulation boxes.
I think the PSP 2000 (Slim) is going to be considered valuable and also the DS Lite, if you have them in perfect working condition in 20 years. I expect there will be problems with the batteries, however. We may see the rise of manufacturers who make special custom batteries especially for the retrogaming market to replace the rotting batteries of all these old systems. Actual plug-into-your-TV consoles on the other hand, are for peasants.
Also, something I really love is the concept of a GoodSet. These are super important for preserving history IMO. They ensure that not just the popular games will survive but that ALL THE GAMES for a platform will survive. I think we will see GoodSets or something similar only increase in popularity as we find larger and larger amounts of data transfer and storage becoming available to us. Why spend you time hunting down just one game when you could download the entire catalog in mere seconds? Already it's feasible for normal gamers to have GoodSets of most of the cartridge based systems, and getting us to the point of it being normal for gamers to have GoodSets of the disc-based systems is only a few years away.
Why the slim? The slim will probably be the least valuable, because it's slightly worse than the 3000 and the 1000 has more features and is also the first one released. The PSP that will be more valuable will obviously be the Go because it didn't sell very well at the time. The same thing will happen with the DS, sure the DS Lite is much better than the original, but the original has a vastly different aesthetic and didn't sell has much so it'll probably be worth more. GoodSets are kind of hit or miss, sometimes they lack games. There's a few collections on archive.org that also preserve hacks, trainers and multiple patches of a game. No-intro and TOSEC sets tend to better than GOOdSets anyway
> "Why the slim?" It has double the ram of the 1000 so it runs the games better. It also supports 64 MB of system software, which is the most of any of the PSP models and makes it the favorite for custom firmware. > "The slim will probably be the least valuable, because it's slightly worse than the 3000 and the 1000 has more features and is also the first one released." What? The 1000 doesn't have more features that I'm aware of.
I prefer the fat version, I generally do not like the trend of trying to make everything ultra thin only for those devices to suffer thermal death like modern laptops.
I also preffere the fat version, it has a better build quality than the others. But consoles getting thinner has usually been a good thing, the PS3 slim is more reliable than the fat one, the Xbox360 slim is also more reliable than the original and the same thing happened to the PS2
Something to consider is that within the next decade near all Sega Saturn media will be unreadable as it reaches final stages of decay. All optical media has a limited lifespan and unlike cartridges they cannot be repaired. Whilst emulation is useful, the fidelity is not perfect so I believe that an original Saturn console with its unique controllers is something worth keeping, particularly if fitted with Dr Abrasions Modification allowing it to read game titles from modern USB storage. In addition, the performance characteristics of high quality CRT display is quite unique 7 offers superior viewing experience (it also supports light guns). For this reason I see a high value for high quality CRT display matched with Saturn, Dreamcast and PS2 console hardware - but little value in the game media.
Sega Saturn was cracked not too long ago and can with a adapter can boot from SD cards, there is a video floating around of how a guy managed all this.
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for the majority of people, emulation and piracy will be the way most people enjoy the games they remember from their youth, mostly because of the cost and convenience. As for collectors, who knows
Hi. Dreamcast's probably the one that will survive. Survive meaning, there'll be more developers for it making games like Sturmwind. Retro gaming is really fueled by catridge based consoles, including the MyCard and Hucard. Discs or floppies aren't that cool to collect. The optical disk and floppy based ones (PC boxed ones) is kind of the second tier of the halo. Can't beat the feel the cartridges add to the experience vs. optical disks and floppies (isn't durable too, in the end it'll just be about their box and jewel case art when it disk rots). God bless, Proverbs 31
Well, it all depends on the generation -- For example in 20 years, people who were children when the NES was released will be in their early 60s/70s then. As these people start to unfortunately pass away, their collections will either be given away, destroyed or sold. The prices for the rarest of these games (low production numbers) will likely skyrocket, while the value for the average and easily found games will likely bottom out and become completely worthless again.
I put about 5000 Euro in Big Box PC Games from 1990 to 2005. This is risky but it is a pure investment. I'm not even really into gaming, but i know which games were good and what makes boxes good. Got most of them for 10 Euro and expect a 25-30 Euro in 2030. With current interest rates everything is good. For Playstation/XBox there is no future. Its an unpersonal jewel case with a game that will be rereleased again and again if it's good. Collector items don't count because they have already high end prices to begin with.
Beside the collectability I see a huge problem with the current and last gen to still be playable in the future, besides the already mentioned re-releases of titles that are only released to milk them. So less popular titles might not be accessible anymore, since they are either pure DRM-caged download titles or may miss some modes that depend on an online infrastructure that might be shut down for good. With games and systems that are considered retro now it was similar. There were weird ways of copy protection using undocumented features that might even be problematic with new releases of original hardware (just think about the last Amiga 1200 model with new floppy drives were the old disk protection failed with original games). And usually the gaming industry itself has some kind of inherited neglect of it's own titles and has done very little to make even obscure games "future proof". And because of that I have zero confidence that this can be resolved by the publishers or even the developers at all. I know piracy is frowned upon, but these guy's protected a lot of old games from extinction. Those restrictions managed online shops and online modes or even online-dependency of today might become a problem in a very short term but of course the old media the games were stored on will deteriorate some day too. And of course the gaming industry did very little to avoid that (with some games they didn't even protected the source code). And that's when the crackers and pirates came to the rescue. Even many commercial releases of old home computer game compilations don't use the original disk images, because nobody in the industry cared about saving them or defused the copy protection that partially was based on undocumented hardware features, so the games might die with the very media they were stored. In many let's say Amiga and C64 compilations the games included are the cracked versions, partially even with cracking intros and trainers intact. And because of that I put my trust in the cracking scene more than the developers itself. And to be able to play the games on original hardware or inside an emulator in the future, the best solution is still to hack and crack the shit out of the current consoles just like back in the day. I know this isn't a very popular opinion, but I don't think that issue can be resolved by the producers of the games and systems at all.
I think console collecting and game collecting will stick around but it will definitely be different going forward. So many games these days are released in a buggy state or even incomplete as the game sits on the disc. People will still want to collect them but many won't be truly playable without access to patches and without online play servers. You won't be able to pop in many discs and just play the game as you can with a SNES cart or PS2 disc. Collecting a game disc will be to enjoy the physical object and complete sets rather than to drop in a console and actually play. This shouldn't be a major issue so long as consoles become relatively easily to hack once they stop getting official support. System owners will be able to sideload complete and patched versions of games or even play the game online through fan servers as we see already today with some of the earliest online titles. All through the PS4/XBO generation I've continued to buy discs despite the fact that I know they're effectively equal to physical copies. I enjoy looking at them and I can easily share them with friends. In 20 years, if I'm still playing PS4 games occasionally, it will probably be through unofficial means except for those few single player games that did ship complete and playable on the disc.
Regarding cars: you cannot really compare retro games with cars. Owning a car is expensive. You need to have the space and the money for upkeep. Only a few people have this luxury and those that do can only collect one or at best a handful of cars. Retro games? Just buy a new shelf.
SeltsamerAttraktor Then another shelf. Then another shelf. Then another shelf in the kitchen. Then another shelf in the bathroom. Then another shelf in the storage heater cabinet. Then a storage container for more shelves... Games are like bunnies. They can multiply and consume entire homes before you know it without an adequate means of pest control.
It seems to me that there is a trend to make things property of the companies instead of the consumers, specially with intelectual property, like video games (and books, and movies). Consumers now a days have a relation more of "renting" than buying these things, which is what digital-only games are (same with netflix, for instance). That is good for companies since now they decide when something is obsolete and "old" and force people to buy new things. Maybe in the future retro gaming will be harder because of that in some ways,
We will but it is going to hit the fan pretty soon, in 20 years the elites will be dead and the rest of the world will be starting over on a clean slate.
PS3 games are definitely dirt cheap right now. Picked up Heavy Rain and Final Fantasy 13 for $5/each yesterday off facebook. I don't think ps3 will ever be worth what NES games are because of remastering and the digital market, but they're great to collect if you're looking for a lot of bang for you buck.
when I was 7 (2005) there was a super Nintendo in the shop window for £20. I asked my mum if I could have it and something ive never understood is that after she said no; she told me it would be worth triple that in 10 years. WERE YOU TOO IMPATIENT TO WAIT MUM.
Pretty sure all Xbox Ones will have Xbox BC. Doesn't make sense for only the X to have it since it's not a question of needing more power when the 360 could do it and the regular Xbox One does 360 BC already.
It's gonna be way harder to find childhood games in 20 years, I still can't find the gamecube games I want to find now. in 20 years, ooh boy it's gonna be hard.
The hunt is part of the fun... and keep in mind there are a LOT of people hunting too, maybe some of them will make their finds available to others, so expect to see a lot more become available in the years to come. Keep looking and you will find.
Alex Thurman And insanely expensive probably, it is now.
People who have them now eventually sell off their collections for many reasons. So there will always be turnover.
the depressing thing is, is that eventually those disks aren't gonna work anymore :( There's only so many games, eventually some of them are gonna just stop working, more people will be collecting them, I feel that eventually every single game will become rare at some point in time
Well that's depressing, luckily for me I have most of the games that I want, somewhere around 500 titles; but I have about 100 more that I want. Almost there.
WiiU games are gonna be hella expensive, especially limited editions.
AlternateU Now I'm glad that I got Bayonetta 2 right when it came out, for sure
Bayonetta 2 is masterpiece.
The funny thing is is that super smash bros and Mario kart 8 for Wii U at my local used game store cost $11 and $10. It's like people gave up on the Wii U entirely
Step 1: Buy the most reliable Xbox 360 you can, all the key landmark titles
Step 2: Install the largest HDD you can
Step 3: Patch them all right now
Step 4: Pack neatly away if you can, potentially remove the bios battery
Step 5: Wait 10-15 years
Step 6: Profit
Chris Nutt step 7: repeat steps 1 - 4 whilst waiting
I really cant picture the kids now having a 360/one/ps3/4 nostalgia bomb in 15-20 years
Hard disk drives will fail in time. Most last about 10 years...some more some less. There is no guarantee a 25 year old disk in a system will spin up after being in storage.Even optical disks can fail in time.
I got drives that are pushing 30 years and generally it comes down to how they are used and how they are stored if they are going to last at all.
Seizing up hasn't been a problem for me but the media decaying due to the read/write cycles is a real problem with older drives. I image the drives so it is not too much of a problem and already know alternatives for storage though I refuse to use shitty SD cards in DOS. As long the drive is kept in a good place and doesn't already have a lot of use on it the drive will last after all people are still finding good MFM and RLL drives these days. The computer history museum is working on restoring a IBM ramac 305 to working order if they haven't already finished.
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We still listen to music from the sixties and seventies, I don't see why we wouldn't still be enjoying NES games 20 years from now.
20 years from now, we'll still be getting remasters of Skyrim, but collectors will spend time and effort sourcing a working Xbox 360 and an original copy of the game.
Playstation 7 - Skyrim: Remastered Special Edition
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I think we'll see an expedited timeline to your model for the more recent hard copies due to the digital download age and because the retro scene is a thing now. 20 years was a very long time just for people to know they wanna collect - while now prices can go up much quicker.
Add that to the fact that the next couple generations will be digital and physical copies become more important.
Excellent video. The more complex games with more complex technologies will be more difficult to collect. Classic cars are a good example, newer cars with complex electronics and computers will be very difficult to maintain and replace.
Retro gaming has been going on for a long time. My father bought a Magnavox Odyssey 2 when they were still new and as the unit was being discontinued we managed to buy most of the cartridges for maybe 5 or 10 bucks a pop. That Odyssey 2 continued to be used through the 80's, the 90's when my uncle briefly took possession of it, the 2000's and the 2010's. Retro gaming is what Lower Middle Class people have always done. I call it "poor people gaming."
This has recently become trendy for wealthier people as retro gaming. People of modest means get what they get. They still go to thrift stores in 2017 and buy the cheapest toys and video games for their kids, and they still get hand-me-downs from their relatives.
Something funny happened, though. Speaking to you as a computer software developer, modern games largely suck. There are some exceptions, but I don't like anything I see on Twitch aside from Super Mario Maker and Grand Theft Auto V. The older, hand-me-down games are actually better than today's $60 titles.
What makes a game good is playability, and older games had that in spades. But there is also a selection bias because there was a lot of garbage in the 1980's, too. Those games have had time to be thrown away. What we're left with is the best of what was available then.
Edit: I guess you're calling selection bias survivor bias. Two sides of the same coin.
John goats. Yeah. I feal like the effect of quality was overlooked here. What systems do you think will be considered classics in 100 years and which do you think will not age well?
i saw a video where a guy compared retro game availability and the film uncle buck, where films have constant re-releases on every new form of technology that can play a movie, why cant we see a quiet re-release of duck hunt for everything going, no fanfare no massive deal, just it apprears on storefronts and people can get it
Well, there's (or rather, was) Nintendo Virtual Console.
The problem with what you suggest is that while movies can generally be played on a wide variety of devices, video games can't, because publishers are very jealous of their IPs and want customers to go to *their* walled garden, not the competition's, even in the case of older titles (with the rare exception).
very true, but thats right now, who knows how this all will play out in the future, i can envisage a time when companies use each others stores to push wares, especially for very old games, duck hunt isnt going to make little jimmy desperately want a new nintendo console but he may just pick it up on that shiny new amazon machine in 20 years
Yeah, indeed there's hope. Or you could have a look at the Retropie project and make a very inexpensive emulation computer with a Raspberry Pi. It'll play anything up to the SNES and some N64 and PSX games, although the performance on those emulators is a bit hit or miss and requires some fiddling around with options to get them to work properly.
Unfortunately you won't be able to enjoy light gun games such as Duck Hunt, but regular ones work just fine.
im a pc gamer, so dont take what im about to say too seriousley... the pi project is not going to go mainstream within our generation, its our kids that will take that concept and run with it, but only once they have grown a little, the idea of a child pestering their parents for a buntch of components so they can steel a load of content from a major corporation is not going to be mainstream very soon, the reality is that the mainstream, will be easy to use, widely available, and legally clear. buying an old video game in a store is great but its going to get rarer and the expense is going to push that practice to niche audiences, companies see how much people want retro games, nintendo have said outright that they know theres an appetite for these games, so what will happen is companies will take it over and deliver a better service, more conveniently to help scratch thew retro itch for most people, true retro gaming with the original hardware will be limited to enthusiasts and everyone else will view games just like we view movies, old ones will have people who love them but dont want a full on reel to reel projector to play them, they just want to turn on whats current and watch their old school movies
Oh, don't misunderstand me, I'm well aware that Retropie and Raspberry Pi in general are stuff made for tinkerers and not for someone who wants to pick a game up and just play it. But it's what we have.
We’re already 7 years into that 20 and so far I think this video aged really well
When all the people, who played on an NES as a child, have passed away, will there still be a significant demand for it outside of museums? I honestly can't say. We'll just have to wait and see.
I'm not worried, when it comes to games, that are not availabe on physical media anymore. As there are now ROMs and ISOs available on the web, I'm sure there will be a way to get to that game data in 50 years as well. And there will be means of playing it, may it be modification of original hardware or emulation.
According to PatTheNESPunk, NES games collecting really started of in 2003 when it started becoming a thing. He did build an almost full NES Set from 1998 to 2003 when price started to skyrocket on certain rarer game. He did found Nintendo World Championship cartridge in a garage sale.
Who knows we'll have to see. It's quite mind boggling to think of how insane the systems will be or how we will go about playing them, cant wait haha.
One thing I saw with the dreamcast is there was online online content for single player games. There is websites now to connect online that simulate that connection so you can upload that content to your vmu. This we may see something similar with more modern systems.
The recent mark up on retro games has really spoiled the hobby for me. The level of competition and huge number of resellers is just depressing. I'm so tired of seeing garbage common games marked $5+
Went for retro pc and bought a lot of the choice goodies before the prices went insane on some parts but was way too late for the choice ISA sound cards with some selling for over $400. Still fun though to end up with two limited edition GTX 295s so I ended up owning two out of only 500 made (EVGA Reds) and they overclock better than the normal cards.
scyther1 it really agitates me, I have a Dreamcast and have had the same onw since 2000. Because I was a child and didn't take care of my discs too much, i only own a total of 9 or 10 actually official real complete games! Simply because the games have become too expensive to acquire for me...
CKT1138 I remember right after the D.C. was discontinued the game prices plummeted. I picked up Grandia 2 for $7.99 from EB games back then. I'm amazed at how expensive the games have become.
Eric Barlow yeah it's a horrible shame, there are so many great games for it that I'll probably never own.
I feel like physical games will always be around and profitable because even if someone plays a lot of games digitally,. If they really like a certain game, they may pick it up physically at a store some years down the road.
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I kick myself for trading in my 20+ NES games in the mid-1990s at FuncoLand to buy a few newer games of the era. I also wish I bought some used SNES and NES games at stores for dirt cheap prices in the early 2000s. Its funny, at the time I saw it as old junk that no one wants anymore. Who knew demand was going to increase in 15 to 25 years after original release.
I am not sure if retro gaming is going to be a big thing in the future because so many games that are released in stores today are not the full game. The disc is just a product key to unlock a full game download off the internet. Another thing is gaming developers are releasing broken and unfinished games on disc, so you need to login to the internet to get the finished product. Just like the "Halo: Master Chief Collection" disaster.
It could be worse, remember some people did not mine bitcoins when the could get 1000 in a few seconds. Poor bastards.
Stormtrooper2010100 yeah but you were there. Not thinking of the tiger but living in that moment
UK based, I have dabbled in both Classic Cars and Retro gaming.
For me, retro gaming was about rediscovering games from my Youth, so Sinclair Spectrum (Worked evenings at a fruit and veg vendor while I was still at school to save up for it) and the "object of desire" and Atari 8 bit (bought with first pay packet, 800xl and tape drive from one of the clearout bundles Atari had when Jack Trameil bought Atari) and the never could even look at as I know I could not afford it, Amiga. that is my 3 machines. I think that it this is pretty much true of most people, they start with the machine they had or played with as a kid, then they either
- Buy the rival in the playground wars to see what the "enemy machine" was like (here in the UK, it was Spectrum vs Commodore 64, then ST vs Amiga)
- Buy the machine the never could afford/get but so wanted.
I see with classic cars it is a bit different, it is the desirable stuff that was impractical for every day, or high end stuff that has survived. High end cars are sought after, desired, available (your survivor bias) the car you dad had on the other hand, have almost disappeared off the roads entirely. If you see a Triumph Herald these days, it is a cabriolet/convertible, it is an attractive looking fun car that is OK in modern traffic but affordable to run (but not buy). I almost never see an Austin 1100/1300 despite being good card in their day and the nations best seller. Any Mk 1 or Mk2 Ford Cortina I do see will be a Lotus model (or now upgraded to that spec). Going by posters on peoples walls in the 80's, if the Tessarossa and Lamborghini countache are likely to be the most sought after (despite both being terrible cars to maintain and drive in anything but a straight line). The Ford XR3i (escort mk 3/4 models) however seems to be barely seen as the boy racers/ricers have ruined most of them.
I think a lot of the retro gaming trend started with Nintendo and their Wii Virtual Console service. They didn't charge full price but they did charge a premium. However, despite that, it was a convenient and legal way for to rediscover some old games and I wouldn't be surprised if it fueled much of the retro nostalgia that people have today.
❗I think you're right.
I didn't care much for 'Alex Kidd: Miracle World' until I saw it on the VC.
It was that that made me think of the old games I used to play.
I guess the nostalgia train and retro cycles will more or less end with the PS3/ 360.. current gen will never be part of retro collecting at all... it will just be revisited digitally without physical media
One of the biggest issues these days is games that are 3 years old or on the last gen are being labelled as "retro" and being hyper inflated because it's a few years old and people assume that it's old and it must be worth something.
Part of the issue from my perspective is balanced between eBay sellers and sellers on Amazon/game noticed a game is no longer offered and they decided to charge nearly full price for it because there is 1 on eBay. Example, I have a copy of the "Metal gear solid legacy edition" sealed... I've seen it going for £200-400... it was £30 brand new last year.
I could be wrong but this is just my brief opinion on the situation.
I feel that the " Forgetting the bad and only remembering the best" Mentality has already happened for the Atari 2600.
Personally I've been more interested in retro gaming lately because the current generation of games just aren't as fun. More time & effort is put into graphics & story but the game play development has fallen to the wayside. Obviously that's a generalization but from pure observation I find it accurate.
All I can say is, thank God for Limited Run Games publishing a ton of what used to be digital only games!
Thanks for making this video. It's interesting how many people say that the PS4 and Xbox One is the Last console generation. People are saying that the PS5 is coming. Retro gaming is like any other collecting as you mentioned.
What happens when the updates are no longer available for today's modern games? A lot of these games will be bug ridden.
I am glad I start collecting Xbox, PSP, PS2 and PS3 early, because not every game I wanted was available online. I could find sealed games for a very cheap price :)
I really liked your thinking and the subjects you touched on in this video. Great job man!
I think it would be interesting to see which online games are still being played in 20 years time. I hope people make private servers to keep games online like you see now with things like Phantasy Star Online and the Halo PC games.
im sure warframe and wow will still be around
-fighting games
Marvel vs Capcom 2
-open sandbox games
Rockstar games
-rpg's
final fantasy games
Games like these have almost unlimited replay value. for example marvel vs capcom 2 came out in 1999 on the dreamcast. til this day there is still a strong competitive community for that game. only the well designed will survive. since physical media is being used less and less the will just be forgotten to time
In my honest opinion, the retro gaming will die out or concentrate mostly on what is retro right now. You are absolutely right that it is comparable to other industries, and what I see now with the car industy, or electronic entertaining or something that is said to be worth of collecting right now is that it's modern part is made more and more disposable. Producers lose money if you clinch on your old pice of hard- or software, because you are less likely to buy a new thing when it comes out. And without you spending enough time to grow attatched to it, you will not feel nostalgia once it is obsolete.
Simple answer - EVERY console available RIGHT NOW in 2017 will be 'retro' in 20 years as they will be as old as the N64 and PSX/original PlayStation are to us today.
Defensive Wounds I don't think anyone will play Horizon Zero Dawn in 20 years
People said the same thing about some games 20 years ago
I know I can't say what was the beginning date for the rise of retro gaming, but it does coincide with the late 90s, early 00s NES scene online. That was when everyone started scavenging their funcoland bins for rarities. But I can tell you 100% the retro gaming bubble started in 2012. I started collecting a bit before 09, but primarily that year. I'm still kicking myself for not buying more before so many games shot up in price during 2012.
I think the influence of nostalgia on the retro market is overstated here. Also, the influence of quality is understated. Some games and consoles are said to "age well". This is because they are better than other games. I think that the 8 and 16 bit era consoles are going to be considered clasics in 100 years just as a 1915 rolls royce is still considered a classic. The ps2 will not be a classic and neither will any 1980 honda
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Just emulation, original hardware will be a museum thing
Nothing wrong with emulation, even though collectors will disagree. In my opinion the whole retro gaming movement owes a large chunk of its popularity to all the good (and free!) emulators that have been appearing since the late 90's.
milkbullet what do you think sega's stance is on reproduction carts? (well any publisher, really) they don't want to invest in rereleases, i get it, but the components are cheaper now than they've ever been. they could do a print on demand type setup
milkbullet, I know where you're coming from but emulators are not 100%. Compare mednafen's PSX core (which is the best IMO) to the integrated PSX chipset on a PS3 and you'll see what you're missing. Either in accuracy or in latency the original hardware is superior for those that can afford it.
Most retro gamers enjoy the hobby for the gameplay and don't care about a few pixels being a wrong color or a practically unnoticeable lag on control inputs.
But to emulate, you still need to dump the game into a file or disc image. Back in the day copy protection methods were annoying too and with online dependencies or the restriction management of the locked up online stores of today things are getting worse for playability in the future. And you still have to find a way around the DRM-madness.
So, to give credit where credit is due. We need a hacking and cracking scene as lively as back in the 80's and 90's. Those were the guys, who were protecting huge parts of the more obscure games and systems from extinction. Without the crackers who were trying to outdo there rivals in matters of new releases, cracking intros (the spawned the demo scene) or trainers, retro gaming wouldn't be the same (heck, even many big developers like DICE of today came from that scene). And exactly that's the way we have to go, to be able to play current games in the future. Since the only incentive of the publishers and game developers themselves is money. A putting your faith in them to protect the games you like, will end in the loss of many games.
I don't remember the Atari & other 2nd-gen stuff bottoming out in the 1990s/2000s. Why did this only seem to start with NES?
very interesting question, I was just thinking about this yesterday - maybe because the NES was top notch stuff or who knows
NES had a lot of games that had no polish & were very buggy to play. The NES has a lot of charm, though. It was probably the last system that had gritty 2D games as the next generations' 2D games were way more playable & felt way less hacked together. Nothing like the SNES & Genesis which seemed to have way higher standards.
I personally remember seeing ataris, colecos, and intellivisions at yard sales. As far as clearouts or price drops at the retail level, I was too young to take notice , but I'm sure it was there. significantly higher sales numbers would be why the nes would stand out. There's still alot of them around.
My retro era is '97~'07. GB Pocket, GBC, PS2, PSP, Palm PDAs and PC. It'll be easy for me in lots of ways, but it's already hard to play older PC games on current OS', not to mention PDA software. (I still have my PDAs and I have several XP era computers and laptops for older PC games)
Interesting note: many games that featured online multiplayer during the sixth generation (Dreamcast, Xbox, Gamecube, PS2) are being supported by fan servers. Perhaps modern games that rely heavily on the web will receive a similar treatment. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, that means more niche titles are unlikely to see common playability.
I'm currently placing each one of my cartridges in ziploc bags, and storing in fire boxes.
You already can't get the "full experience" of the late '90s arena shooters for the PC, because even if you get online with them, the players are so few and their skill levels so incredibly high that they're worthless as the sort of semi-casual experiences they were in 1996-2005. You can never bring back a QuakeWorld GameSpy server from 1998. Those players, that culture, the whole mindset of ordinary people just hanging out on a server and playing Quake together is gone forever. These games still exist, but they're not the same games anymore because the players are part of the game.
There's only one thing I fear in 2037.
Dudes seeking old bloatware out of App Stores and Play Stores.
Don't mention the aftermatch of the RUclips's kids content.
Fuck, at least I've been born right on time, otherwise I'd be utterly brainwashed and filled with spooky fetishes.
It's really tough to say what might happen in the future. Interest in gaming has risen dramatically in the past 20 years. Along with that, game sale numbers have also risen, meaning there are more copies of current games (typically) than most 'retro' games. What it comes down to for me? Collect what you want to collect, and if the collection isn't bringing you joy anymore, it's time to reduce.
Everyone is different so it really is anybody's guess what will be valuable in the future. Obscurities? The 'best' games? Low-print games? Hilariously bad games? One thing for sure is that a majority of games will be accessible via emulation (hardware or software) if prices for physical exceeds your personal budget.
retro gaming was with us in 2000 for cerain. I would say it arrived with the ps1 generation of games. I can remember ebay in 2000 and there was a big retro scene
Cool vid, thanks, Colin! I saw a copy of Contra for Gameboy once at a game shop for 40$ and I thought that was ridiculous. I dunno if in accordance to the current market that was fair or not, but that bummed me out 'cause I'd thought part of the appeal of collecting vintage anything was saving money. :/
For me I've almost always had an urge to collect older games and toys that I never had a chance to get when I was younger, but more recently I've been focusing a lot more on the gaming side of that. Having barely turned 20 I have both advantages and disadvantages to when I actually started gaming.
I started with my first game, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Blue Rescue Team back when both that game and the DSLite were both recent and brand spanking new respectively (Pokemon Diamond and Pearl weren't even out yet and you could still find Emerald new in GameStop so it was sometime after June 11th and a bit before September) but as I was new to the scene so I didn't know about all the games that were out there I might love that were possibly cheap as hell in pawn shops or other similar stores. Still, even then I wanted to pad out my backlog of GBA games as I kept searching for the older pokemon GBA titles (got Leafgreen but wasn't allowed to get the aforementioned Emerald in-store despite trying to let my parents know this chance wouldn't come again because of the GBA being on the way out...guess who was right).
As the years went by I kept learning of more GBA games I wanted and even yearned for getting my hands on the original GBA model (SP was never my thing and GB and GBC didn't and still mostly haven't caught my interest much especially with the Virtual Console on the rise) but with time passing they either got harder to find (as people started collecting), pricier (as they realized their old games were worth more than before), both at the same time, or even higher quality fakes and reproductions (I'm fine with the latter due to the difference being that they tell you up front) making it riskier to buy online despite the better availability said Internet brings.
Now, I go to pawn shops and collector's stores like a sane person worried about getting stiffed online would, but I still cant help but think about the times when these older systems and games were much cheaper and readily available and feel like I missed out because I was simply too young to capitalize on it.
Luckily for me emulation is advancing further and further as time goes on along with new ways of getting similar or the same design of controllers being made so getting to at least experience the game as close to the original as possible is becoming easier than it ever used to be.
Have you heard of Pure Faction? It is a community of modders which play multiplayer Red Faction online. It is a very interesting situation. They are one of the original fps retro gamers.
Regarding retro first person shooters:
Battlefield 1942, a 2002 game I really enjoyed back when and picked up many years later again for a while. The listing servers have been shut off by EA long time ago. These are required for listing actual game servers and basically finding servers and players on them. The community around that game came up with a solution and runs their own listing servers now.
However, people feeling nostalgic about the game can't just pop in their old CDs and dive into the action, they actually have to do some research, what community patches they need and so forth.
Battlefield 1942 is here to stay as long as there are enough people interested in playing it.
❗Battlefield 1943 will go the same way.
I always get tired of my collections sitting there untouched collecting dust so I tell myself what's the point of keeping them and start selling.. later I get nostalgic again and start buying the same stuff that I sold and spend more money, .... it's a plague!
What will it look like? Well, what does the "Oldies" channel look like now and what did it look like 20 years ago? That might give us some insight.
You have to Keep in mind that an original NES console was probably the only Device with a real CPU in most households in the mid 1980s, these consoles were a completely different and novel type of entertainment. As a kid, they were the only interaction many of us had with any form of digital entertainment... Contrast that with today, Now you can entertain yourself with a tablet, a gameboy, a laptop and a console, and whatever other 1080p entertainment gadget they've invented since I started typing this... The nostalgia isn't liable to be focused on consoles in the future..You have to ask things like... Are today's kids really going to want to buy an iphone 3g and play 'angry birds' again in 20 years... maybe, who knows?
Will you really be able to do retro with games that need to connect to patch servers, DLC servers, and so on that simply will not exist 20 years from now? I wonder if there will be server emulation in 20 years where you connect to a server that tricks your "retro" console into thinking its connected to the PSN or XBL?
a lot of digital games are just gonna disappear like Scott Pilgrim vs the world. we need to make an archive already.
I strongly believe that retro gaming as it stands now will be a dead or much smaller market by 2035 or so, based on current trends in the retro gaming market and the current prices of games and systems that would follow the "nostalgia" bell curve. As of this point in time (2020), non-collector-centric NES and SNES games has begun to drop in value, which I believe is because the general population's nostalgia has moved on from the SNES era of gaming into the late '90s and early 2000s era. GCN titles in particular have quickly shot up, mostly due to external influences (namely the Coronavirus stimulus checks) but also because we're in the era where kids from the GCN era have money to burn and want to play those same games again.
Looking at pricing trends throughout the history of retro video game collecting, the following generations of games have remained consistently inexpensive. Popular Wii titles and the systems have consistently remained under the fifty dollar mark, along with NDS systems and games remaining under the forty dollar mark on average. I believe that because the Wii era has remained inexpensive throughout the rise of video game collecting, it won't see too much of a resurgence as a viable market because of those prices constantly remaining low. Popular GCN titles have consistently held their values around the thirty to fifty dollar mark until recently, but because Wii games haven't really held their value as well, I don't expect to see the same kind of boom around 2025-2030 as GCN and N64 games have recently.
And because the GCN era is the last really strong video game generational market, I think the lack of strength that the following generations of gaming have will see the decline of retro gaming as a strong market like it is now, and by 2035 we'll return back to a similar market from 2010, when retro game collecting was a nickel-dime sort of hobby as opposed to an investment like it is now. I would like to note that the reason I use Nintendo consoles to reference generations of gaming is not just out of a personal interest in Nintendo, but because I believe game collecting is largely Nintendo collecting, as Nintendo games have remained to be the most consistently expensive and most sought after games in the retro game collecting scene, and therefore have been the backbone of the retro game market. Once Nintendo collecting falls out of favor, retro game collecting will fall out, too.
Emulation is one solution, not sure how people feel about it though. Some games are over $100 and I don't have the money for that. Emulation allows you to play the games, when games are so scarce/expensive.
I think the NES will still be cool. What about those little kids who would be super hyped to go play Mario at Granny's house?
my childhood was around the Xbox and PlayStation 2 and gamecube, and collecting for me consists of games from my childhood like timesplitters or the wacky accessories that came with the systems. But today's consoles don't have that same appeal to me because they are all generally the same now, back then each console has a unique design or aspect to their system, but now every console is just going for the 60 fps 4k blue ray and online store functionality and that's it, sure PlayStation has the vr available but I see console vrs heading the way of the virtual boy
erm... Nintendo?
I'll admit I love Nintendo for trying new things like the 3DS (I have the Amazon New 3DSXL version and I love using the 3D on it) but the console isn't as interesting, it's nothing more than a Nvidia Shield Tablet with detachable buttons and a kickstand. Credit where it's due, at least they did something different from the competition.
Venom415 Can't recall the last time I ever saw a Shield tablet running cartridges but ok whatever floats you boat, man. ;p
Either way I see the Switch and Shield as being very different in actual application with the Shield being geared towards more PC like things and the Switch a more strictly gaming focused device along with being more powerful from what I hear (apparently it can't run Skyrim on its own from what I read) along with the pretty neat Joycons; I mean you can't say that you can pass a full half of your controller and play legitimate multi-player with any other controller. Sure they're lacking some form factor as a result but it's pretty clear what dome of the differences are at a glance.
Venom415 console vr is the only vr for me ill never be able to afford a pc that can run it but I can buy an xbox and then buy a holo lens a bit later.
Atomic Robo Tesla Well the Shield tablet doesn't need cartridges because it uses your PCs library :) Also I don't know what you mean by geared towards PC things since its more of an amped up android tablet than a PC, its meant for productivity and media and other things you would use your phone for but it also plays games from your PC. The Switch to me feels very simplified like apple and it is more aimed at just pure gaming and some sharing aspects. I would love it if Nintendo released different shaped or designed joycons or docks for the switch or different physical attachments for the dock/switch as that would add to its collectible value in the future, but for now its just a simplified Shield Tablet without the bells and whistles.
And leon musial Im sure the holo lens will be as expensive if not more than the current VR headsets since it is delving into a different aspect of virtual gaming, but I know many people cant afford good pc and they buy a console and theres nothing wrong with that, I feel that in time as the PC gets stronger with newer hardware and software for VR, consoles will also be able to reach a proper VR experience on the cheap, lets hope!
Another problem that we will surely experience also if phisical media will remain and we will be able to get original hardware is the fact that today all games need more than a patch because they are released "broken".Some of them are totally broke n or un playable without them.With server down it will be impossible to use them.
I agree that much of people's obsession with collecting is generational but the best games leap beyond generations. People will play and seek out the best for the fun and the coolness factor. Anyone not having fun w/ 4 Player Warlords or Sprint on Atari 2600 is not a real gamer. It goes beyond graphics but look for the milestones in transitions. Oldest will always be worth more than newest.
I actually went to "retro" stores back in the early 2000s and tried to pick up N64 and Snes games and even back then the good ones were pretty expensive. I remember paying 30€ just for Pokemon Stadium 2 alone.
Sure, the retro fever has caused everything to skyrocket in price, even shitty games aren't cheap anymore, if they are old enough, but the good games that people liked have never been cheap.
I think retro gaming in the future will be defined by those _HD Remastered_ versions of games alongside side projects such as the NES Mini.
Other variants include releasing other titles on platforms like Steam and mobile stores, SEGA does so all the time and now with SEGA Forever, things go even further.
There's most likely still a market for vintage consoles at that point but the majority of things will go digital and co-exist with all the other games that get released every few days.
So is my impresson at least but of course things suddenly could also turn by 180° and no one wants digital stuff anymore because the traditional ways are so outdated that it becomes exciting again to have a real cartridge or disc in hands.
I really think Nintendo should look into Steam as a place to put their retro games, from NES to GCN/DS.
I really enjoyed this Video and have thought a few times about the point you make about how PS3/XB360 Gaming will be like in 20 years from now.
'Battlefield 1943' was one of my favourite Games of that Generation but it was Online-only.
Released in 2009, servers were still FULL in mid-2017 just before I sold my PS3.
Think I'll be able to play it in 2027?
Of course not but I can still play NES Games or even disc-based PS3 Games.
And of course, as you say, Developers will only re-release Games that will make them money so most titles will be stuck on PS3/mid-2000s a la Sega's Master System with it's Games stuck in the late 80s/early 90s.
UPDATE: The servers for 'Battlefield 1943' are to be switched off on 8th December 2023.
3:40 I have seen PS3 games as cheap as £1.50p CIB.
Well, I usually play on a PC and there, things are way more open than on consoles. With the right tricks and software, you can make almost any game run even from the first days of DOS. Therefore, games you have on a hard drive will be playable in many years too so you don't have the problem with incompatible hardware.
Also, I don't think that the declining use of physical distribution will stop retro gaming: The distributors, developers, and sometimes even the users make backup copies and dig them up later and these games can be played.
I've only heard of it, but people managed to run their own servers of "World of Warcraft", so this may happen with other online titles too.
And finally, looking at the indie game market, there could happen something like in the art market: Many famous painters and artists weren't recognized when they lived, but many years later, collectors found their paintings and were astounded by their works. Maybe, some retro gamers will search through the backups of the long gone Steam library and find incredible pieces.
Maybe this will happen. Maybe not. Who knows? All I want to say is, that if there is a desire to play old games, people will find a way to do so. Now and in 20 years!
Current generation consoles use more or less x86 hardware and the Switch is basically ARM. Emulation will be the saviour of classic games and if Windows does drop Win32 application support in favour of the new UWP, then Wine or similar projects will keep classic gaming alive. I grew up on PC, though I had a Sega Mega Drive and though it brings nostalgia, it's nothing compared to those first moments playing StarCraft or C&C on the PC. I guess there will be many people collecting the ISOs or ROM files on their local servers and keep history alive this way, or at least that's what I'm trying to do.
i think retro gaming will be similar to what it is now. of course some titles will come and go and i think the pricing will probably go up as certain items will becomer more rare as time goes on. it will be interesting to see how the "retro gaming industry" will be affected as gamers now get older. an original NES system is getting harder to find in thrift stores/used record stores, so maybe people will lean towards emulation in the future.. i hope at least some of my rambling makes sense haha
cool video and interesting topic. :)
I love those old Honda Civics.
FPGAs will be increasingly important for console enthusiasts. Software emulation will only be acceptable for ultra rare hardware like arcade cabinets. Sega will still be licencing out horrible clone emulation boxes.
If I can play the original Mass Effect trilogy in 20 years I'll be happy.
I think the PSP 2000 (Slim) is going to be considered valuable and also the DS Lite, if you have them in perfect working condition in 20 years. I expect there will be problems with the batteries, however. We may see the rise of manufacturers who make special custom batteries especially for the retrogaming market to replace the rotting batteries of all these old systems.
Actual plug-into-your-TV consoles on the other hand, are for peasants.
Also, something I really love is the concept of a GoodSet. These are super important for preserving history IMO. They ensure that not just the popular games will survive but that ALL THE GAMES for a platform will survive. I think we will see GoodSets or something similar only increase in popularity as we find larger and larger amounts of data transfer and storage becoming available to us. Why spend you time hunting down just one game when you could download the entire catalog in mere seconds? Already it's feasible for normal gamers to have GoodSets of most of the cartridge based systems, and getting us to the point of it being normal for gamers to have GoodSets of the disc-based systems is only a few years away.
Why the slim? The slim will probably be the least valuable, because it's slightly worse than the 3000 and the 1000 has more features and is also the first one released. The PSP that will be more valuable will obviously be the Go because it didn't sell very well at the time. The same thing will happen with the DS, sure the DS Lite is much better than the original, but the original has a vastly different aesthetic and didn't sell has much so it'll probably be worth more. GoodSets are kind of hit or miss, sometimes they lack games. There's a few collections on archive.org that also preserve hacks, trainers and multiple patches of a game. No-intro and TOSEC sets tend to better than GOOdSets anyway
> "Why the slim?"
It has double the ram of the 1000 so it runs the games better. It also supports 64 MB of system software, which is the most of any of the PSP models and makes it the favorite for custom firmware.
> "The slim will probably be the least valuable, because it's slightly worse than the 3000 and the 1000 has more features and is also the first one released."
What? The 1000 doesn't have more features that I'm aware of.
I prefer the fat version, I generally do not like the trend of trying to make everything ultra thin only for those devices to suffer thermal death like modern laptops.
I also preffere the fat version, it has a better build quality than the others. But consoles getting thinner has usually been a good thing, the PS3 slim is more reliable than the fat one, the Xbox360 slim is also more reliable than the original and the same thing happened to the PS2
I think retro gaming in 20 years will simply be repurchasing the FINALLY completed versions of the crappy games that are being pumped out now.
Something to consider is that within the next decade near all Sega Saturn media will be unreadable as it reaches final stages of decay. All optical media has a limited lifespan and unlike cartridges they cannot be repaired. Whilst emulation is useful, the fidelity is not perfect so I believe that an original Saturn console with its unique controllers is something worth keeping, particularly if fitted with Dr Abrasions Modification allowing it to read game titles from modern USB storage.
In addition, the performance characteristics of high quality CRT display is quite unique 7 offers superior viewing experience (it also supports light guns). For this reason I see a high value for high quality CRT display matched with Saturn, Dreamcast and PS2 console hardware - but little value in the game media.
Sega Saturn was cracked not too long ago and can with a adapter can boot from SD cards, there is a video floating around of how a guy managed all this.
Yes, that was Dr Abrasion.
search Professor Abrasive
At 6:00 in the video, who else was thinking about EarthBound?
Collin, (sorry if I spelled your name wrong) Do you have a rss feed address so I can catch your podcast with my phone to listen too while at work?
Yes, actually! Patreon supporters have access to a private RSS feed, and I do my best to get episodes uploaded a few days before they go live on RUclips.
FPGA
Analogue Nt mini has perfect accuracy thanks to FPGA, and eventually better FPGA will support SNES and Mega Drive.
for the majority of people, emulation and piracy will be the way most people enjoy the games they remember from their youth, mostly because of the cost and convenience. As for collectors, who knows
Hi. Dreamcast's probably the one that will survive. Survive meaning, there'll be more developers for it making games like Sturmwind.
Retro gaming is really fueled by catridge based consoles, including the MyCard and Hucard. Discs or floppies aren't that cool to collect. The optical disk and floppy based ones (PC boxed ones) is kind of the second tier of the halo. Can't beat the feel the cartridges add to the experience vs. optical disks and floppies (isn't durable too, in the end it'll just be about their box and jewel case art when it disk rots).
God bless, Proverbs 31
Well, it all depends on the generation -- For example in 20 years, people who were children when the NES was released will be in their early 60s/70s then. As these people start to unfortunately pass away, their collections will either be given away, destroyed or sold. The prices for the rarest of these games (low production numbers) will likely skyrocket, while the value for the average and easily found games will likely bottom out and become completely worthless again.
Retro gaming in 20 years ... quick answer: anything on physical media. Done.
Survivorship bias is huge in music as well.
I put about 5000 Euro in Big Box PC Games from 1990 to 2005. This is risky but it is a pure investment. I'm not even really into gaming, but i know which games were good and what makes boxes good. Got most of them for 10 Euro and expect a 25-30 Euro in 2030. With current interest rates everything is good.
For Playstation/XBox there is no future. Its an unpersonal jewel case with a game that will be rereleased again and again if it's good. Collector items don't count because they have already high end prices to begin with.
Beside the collectability I see a huge problem with the current and last gen to still be playable in the future, besides the already mentioned re-releases of titles that are only released to milk them. So less popular titles might not be accessible anymore, since they are either pure DRM-caged download titles or may miss some modes that depend on an online infrastructure that might be shut down for good.
With games and systems that are considered retro now it was similar. There were weird ways of copy protection using undocumented features that might even be problematic with new releases of original hardware (just think about the last Amiga 1200 model with new floppy drives were the old disk protection failed with original games). And usually the gaming industry itself has some kind of inherited neglect of it's own titles and has done very little to make even obscure games "future proof".
And because of that I have zero confidence that this can be resolved by the publishers or even the developers at all. I know piracy is frowned upon, but these guy's protected a lot of old games from extinction. Those restrictions managed online shops and online modes or even online-dependency of today might become a problem in a very short term but of course the old media the games were stored on will deteriorate some day too. And of course the gaming industry did very little to avoid that (with some games they didn't even protected the source code).
And that's when the crackers and pirates came to the rescue. Even many commercial releases of old home computer game compilations don't use the original disk images, because nobody in the industry cared about saving them or defused the copy protection that partially was based on undocumented hardware features, so the games might die with the very media they were stored. In many let's say Amiga and C64 compilations the games included are the cracked versions, partially even with cracking intros and trainers intact. And because of that I put my trust in the cracking scene more than the developers itself. And to be able to play the games on original hardware or inside an emulator in the future, the best solution is still to hack and crack the shit out of the current consoles just like back in the day.
I know this isn't a very popular opinion, but I don't think that issue can be resolved by the producers of the games and systems at all.
I think console collecting and game collecting will stick around but it will definitely be different going forward. So many games these days are released in a buggy state or even incomplete as the game sits on the disc. People will still want to collect them but many won't be truly playable without access to patches and without online play servers. You won't be able to pop in many discs and just play the game as you can with a SNES cart or PS2 disc. Collecting a game disc will be to enjoy the physical object and complete sets rather than to drop in a console and actually play. This shouldn't be a major issue so long as consoles become relatively easily to hack once they stop getting official support. System owners will be able to sideload complete and patched versions of games or even play the game online through fan servers as we see already today with some of the earliest online titles.
All through the PS4/XBO generation I've continued to buy discs despite the fact that I know they're effectively equal to physical copies. I enjoy looking at them and I can easily share them with friends. In 20 years, if I'm still playing PS4 games occasionally, it will probably be through unofficial means except for those few single player games that did ship complete and playable on the disc.
Regarding cars: you cannot really compare retro games with cars. Owning a car is expensive. You need to have the space and the money for upkeep. Only a few people have this luxury and those that do can only collect one or at best a handful of cars.
Retro games? Just buy a new shelf.
SeltsamerAttraktor Then another shelf. Then another shelf. Then another shelf in the kitchen. Then another shelf in the bathroom. Then another shelf in the storage heater cabinet. Then a storage container for more shelves...
Games are like bunnies. They can multiply and consume entire homes before you know it without an adequate means of pest control.
by "obscure titles that are actually really really good that not many people even heard of" you meant "hidden jems" right?
Retro gaming already died when consoles stopped being backwards compatible.
owen But only backwards compatible consoles are Genesis/Mega Drive, PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Wii, Wii U and Game Boy/DS line
My point exactly
It seems to me that there is a trend to make things property of the companies instead of the consumers, specially with intelectual property, like video games (and books, and movies). Consumers now a days have a relation more of "renting" than buying these things, which is what digital-only games are (same with netflix, for instance). That is good for companies since now they decide when something is obsolete and "old" and force people to buy new things. Maybe in the future retro gaming will be harder because of that in some ways,
I'm skeptical that human beings are going to survive another 20 years at this rate.
We will but it is going to hit the fan pretty soon, in 20 years the elites will be dead and the rest of the world will be starting over on a clean slate.
❗I'm from 2020 and the keyword will be 'C😷ronaVirus'.
@@leighdappa This comment aged well.
PS4 is gonna be hell to collect for cause lots of games are gonna be broken to shit without patches.
EMULATION SUCKS!
OEM OR BUST!
PS3 games are definitely dirt cheap right now. Picked up Heavy Rain and Final Fantasy 13 for $5/each yesterday off facebook. I don't think ps3 will ever be worth what NES games are because of remastering and the digital market, but they're great to collect if you're looking for a lot of bang for you buck.
Benchmarks from tech competitions past run worse on modern hardware. Forgetting bad things isn't good as we allow it to repeat over and over.
FPGA is the future
when I was 7 (2005) there was a super Nintendo in the shop window for £20. I asked my mum if I could have it and something ive never understood is that after she said no; she told me it would be worth triple that in 10 years. WERE YOU TOO IMPATIENT TO WAIT MUM.
Until these consoles become rare though they still won't be worth as much as their games.
Old JDM ecoboxes does not cost the same as old muscle cars. Even the fucking Supra RZ costs not as much as some Challenger/Camaro from late 60's.
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question: do you think cheap micro transaction mobile games will ever be retro?
NEVER 😡
They are 💩 now and will be remembered as 💩 20+ years from now.
Pretty sure all Xbox Ones will have Xbox BC. Doesn't make sense for only the X to have it since it's not a question of needing more power when the 360 could do it and the regular Xbox One does 360 BC already.
We also have emulation and even old games get sold on iPads lol